Redrob

According to AVN:

Link to AVN Article.

Wow! That is a lot of money.

Now is just about your last chance to make a difference. Go for it if you can.

xXXtesy10

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DWB

Noted the Manwin USA part. Don't wanna be breaking the law and sending money from a pesky foreign company.

brassmonkey

their paying tho

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myjah

I am speechless....this is an amazing contribution and hopefully a motivator for all in this industry to contribute NOW.

Stop it, take a nap, come back refreshed. You are deterring from the point here when you actually support the cause.

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Redrob

Bump, still not too late!

Fat Panda

Manwin USA even exists?

epitome

If it didn't already exist it takes about 10 minutes to register a company in the US.

DWB

Huh? Was there or was there not a lawsuit filed because they sent $75k from their Luxunberg company?

Wasn't slamming them, just pointing out now they are clear to write "Manwin USA" from their donations, instead of just "Manwin." Considering everyone has always just called them Manwin, it was worth noting Rob posted "Manwin USA" like a good boy.

epitome

Isn't everyone voting on this matter Tuesday? How will they be deploying the money raised between now and Tuesday?

babymaker

Lol and its a weekend and banks are mostly closed, I wondered this as well. Just to process proper corporate donations to right departments etc, seriously lol.

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mikesouth

Magic Cash Buttons on the no on b website LOL

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It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

babymaker

:D I was trying to stay out of the negative comments on this lol, I love DWB and known him and worked with him for a long time, and not you so much. But when I saw this I just calculated in my head for a sec and just nothing but BS popped up and realized you guys were right :D So I let a bit of negative post on it come out lol.

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DWB

Not sure, but I'd bet Paul Markham would like to tell you how they should do it.

Nathan

There is plenty of work that can still be done Monday and Tuesday. And on top of that we already paid the expected matching to the campaign since we knew our commitment to match would get others to donate and many did Thursday and Friday.

It is sad how much hate some of you must have for this industry considering the lengths you go to to make it look stupid.

I am proud about many many other companies that have shown that the real people in the industry, the ones that actually matter, understand what's best for it and are willing to help.

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epitome

It is actually a legitimate question. Just about all forms of offline advertising take time to put together. There are account executives, account managers, etc. that all have to put their hands in the pie. You can't put a billboard up overnight, you can't buy stickers for the newspapers overnight, etc. so the question stands what can possibly happen between now and Tuesday?

An answer of "put people out near polling places with signs" or "pay for canvassers" would be perfectly acceptable.

No answer is suspect.

Due

Actually you can. Electronic bill boards are getting more and more popular
Advertising in Facebook is also a very efficient place to put ads up

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Grapesoda

Fabian, this never ceases to amaze me how these cocksuckers 'chew on the hand that feeds them'

epitome

So that's the answer to the simple question? Electronic billboards and Facebook campaign? Because I see no answers.

babymaker

Yes, this. I wasn't trying to be too negative, it just seems this coming on Friday when banks close major biz until monday and the proccessing to get the money to right places and buy ad spots that have probably been booked years in advance for this crunch time just seemed very odd at best. sorry if I have lived in this world and esspecially this non-stop scamming biz these past few years and nothing but red lights popped up

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epitome

I'm just curious if the money will be spent for the intended purpose or if it will be put in an arsenal that will go to something else in the future which may benefit a few but not the entire industry. Its like when there is an outpouring of donations to the Red Cross after a disaster. Your donation doesn't always go to what you intended.

If money is leftover that goes to subsidizing testing why would I want my money to go to that since nobody I personally know (well one person would) would benefit?

Nathan

It does not matter if this is a legitimate question. It should not even be asked. The question screams "we think they just want to take our money for themself" - that's simply not true, and anyone believing this listens to much to wankers like mike and dwb.

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epitome

You mean Manwin keeping the money? That thought has never crossed my mind.

What has crossed my mind is the money not being spent in time and then going into testing which doesn't benefit condom studios that do not shoot in LA.

Edit: this would all make sense to me if it were three months before election day, not three days.

L-Pink

Yea, listen to honest companies like manwin. lol, fucking thieves.

Nathan

Epitone: there are a Lot of short notice things that can be done, the campaign could spend much more, and since we have ad relationships re TV already, we can likely even extend the ad campaign there on Monday and over the weekend, since those are paid later not pre-paid in full, so no additional money usually needs to flow prior to them airing.

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epitome

LOL THANK YOU! That is all I was curious about. Is if the funds could even effectively be deployed between now and Tuesday. Sounds like they can through a pre-orchestrated media blitz.

Personally in a weird predicament where question 8 doesn't affect me one way or another today. As a gay condom studio it doesn't. As a gay condom studio not in LA it really doesn't. So if Sally Cockrider is going to get some free testing because the money wasn't spent that doesn't do jack shit for me. THAT is what I wondered about.

Now 8 CAN personally affect me because we don't need every other jurisdiction that knows porn is being shot there (e.g., Vegas, Miami, etc.) to get the same idea as LA.

(I think the subsidized testing is a brilliant idea, don't get me wrong there... but I don't need to be subsidizing Sally Cockrider but instead want to subsidize Mark Cockrider)

Nathan

Epitome, every single person testing from the industry is subsidized. We do it this way because we do not know if Sally shoots for just us or 5 companies. Our exclusive talent does not pay for tests at all.

Maybe the fund could be split in gay and non gay talent.

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ReggieDurango

Measure B?
Question 8

epitome

Yes. 8, B, 6, 9, 7.

Sadly I am now intimately familiar with the measures on ballots in three states. Hard to keep them all sorted in my head.

epitome

So gay talent can get tested too under the program? For instance, do the Men.com models participate in APHSS?

Actually, it seems like it's split 50/50 with gay studios that require condoms AND testing...so let me rephrase... if Men.com uses condoms AND testing can the models participate?

Redrob

Due to the risk of condom failure, I think everyone performing should be tested.

Just my opinion.

epitome

Mine, too, but that isn't reality.

If a studio doesn't test I hope they will at least cover PEP if there is an exposure. I think that runs about $2k or so.

NemesisEnforcer

I'm glad you reconsidered and answered epitome.

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Epitome: yes all Talent has to Test via APHSS, including men.com.

Nemesis: epitome asked very differently. I did not answer the other guy.

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mikesouth

I dont know of anyone who thinks condom use would displace testing.

My research on this topic has led me to the conclusion that there really is an incidence rate of STDs in this industry that is FAR TOO HIGH.

Every study indicates this and yet nobody who says otherwise can site or is willing to fund a study to indicate that it isnt.

All differences aside this is going to bury us....we HAVE to figure a way to get this under control

I was appalled to learn that performers self medicate prior to testing, that they visit non industry clinics when they think they have an std between tests, they get treated at these non industry clinics and continue to work on the industry clinic test.

They make runs to TJ to stock up on Z-Packs and other antibiotics and resell them to performers for the above self medication.

and I was told this by performers who actually do it...and they say it is very widespread.

I dont care what side of this you are on this is going to really harm this biz we have got to address this.

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DWB

1) It's not hate. It is simply not caring about if condoms have to be used in US porn or not, and seeing through all the bullshit and fear mongering your camp is trying to spread.

2) It isn't very difficult to make this industry look stupid. It does a fine job of doing that itself, usually with the FSC leading the parade.


Before I even had time to write that you would not get a real answer, only a condensending one, see Nathan's post below...

Yea, just give your money, no questions asked, to an organization who can't even show you who they are in their whois profile, no one can tell you a single name of the people running it, there is no list of exactly where the money is going, and who is in bed with the largest pirate operation in the world who has already had at least one run in with the government for money laundering. Sounds legit.

The industries biggest thief, liar, and back door programming scammer calls two honest guys in the business wankers. Ain't that something. Not sure how I'll make it through the day.

But lets get some facts straight. You are a thief who runs the most unethical business in the history of the porn industry. However, this "wanker" has never ripped off a single person, ever, or stolen so much as a single image, and I run a honest business. People don't call me "unethical" or say I'm a thief. And I'm sure the same can be said about the other wanker.

The only reason you are where you are is because of piracy, money and the desperation of everyone around you. Otherwise you'd still just be another chubby programmer back-dooring data from a stats company. But you already know this.

Whatever the case, you're all going to be using condoms for your shoots soon. And unlike how you bought Mr. Marcus and tried to buy Derrick Burts, you won't be able to buy your way out of this one. And we both know that infuriates you. Have a good day.

DWB

I can't listen to your sound logic anymore, Lord Fabian said you're a wanker.

Nathan

DWB, you do not even comprehend 95% of what is going on. This measure's reason of existance has absolutely nothing to do with using condoms in porn and it has everything to do with trying to eradicate hardcore production in LA.

You also do not grasp that nobody involved in the campaign has ANY reason to justify themself financially towards someone that only cares about spreading things he does not understand but might make someone else look bad while not supporting the campaign.

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DWB

I understand completely and believe this is fear mongering at it's best. Passing safety regulations will not regulate hardcore production in LA. And even if it did, build more windmills.


I donated money, send a mailer out to about 20,000 people, and put banners on a lot of my sites. Fuck you. I'll now be removing the banners. Oh, and I didn't even make a stink when I donated and saw that it was going to a Manwin account, even though you said Manwin does not control the money. Just another lie. Not surprised.





So tell me again how Manwin doesn't control the donations and doesn't have their hands in this? Because the story is fascinating. Really.

Nathan

Seriously, are you that stupid?

Because the account says major funding is from Manwin USA, somehow it is our account?

God man, grow a friggin brain.

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Axel_Crak

Good Luck with the final Blitz

Dont worry and loose time with the people that dont care and focus on the target, and if you dont support, at least be friendly with the initiave and let them do their jobs

I dont think DWB has gave something, and if yes, refund him please ! and if not, i dont knwo what the point here to come complain and try to find bad intentions here...

Have a nice week-end all..

PS . Thumbs up for Manwin huge support

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mikesouth

Fabian apparently you take us for stupid, like the people who kiss your sorry ass. We arent. you are a scourge on this industry and I personally look forward to the day your lying, scumbag ass is lead away in handcuffs.

Until that time I will continue to be amused at the bullshit you sling, at least it is creative but the playing stupid act is getting a bit worn.

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SKUP

This might be a bit "of" topic, but I am wondering how an ass in handcuffs looks? Anyone have a picture?

DWB

How do you think I got that screen shot, genius?

And what is wrong with looking for bad intentions of they exist? Is your moral compass that far off that you even have to ask such a question?

Furthermore, you work for a company who has been caught using stolen content on more than one occasion. All of your GF sites started with stolen content. Others may have forgotten, but I did not. So whatever you have to say about me is irrelevant.

You bank on the fact that most people are. That is how you got to where you are.

It does not say, "major funding is from Manwin USA." And who puts porn names on paypal accounts unless they own the account or are controlling the money? I don't see your name on the FSC payment page and you're giving them all kinds of money every month. In fact, I don't even see "Manwin" on your own sites billing page or form.

Do you want to know what I put on my paypal account? I put the name of my longest member and the site he joined. "DWB mywebsite.com Dave Tenny." It used to say, "DWB - Wicked Pictures" but I violated paypal's TOS in doing so. Seems you can't use porn company names on paypal accounts. Go figure.

I have one, thanks. The problem is, you can't handle it when people who have one use it to question you and your agenda. I think the world learned that when you literally threw a tantrum like a 5 year old when you couldn't leave a comment on Mike's blog.

Many know you are trying very hard to make people believe you have nothing to do with all of this, just like you don't with testing and now the talent agency, or didn't bribe Mr. Marcus or Derrick Burts, and most idiots will believe you, while others will pretend they do because they are desperate for a drop of Manwin milk. But the problem with being a pirate and a liar is, when it comes to dealing with honest people, you have zero credibility. But don't get me wrong, lots of people do believe everything you say, most of them involved in piracy themselves, desperate or starving, while the latest one works for a company who used to shoot nudes of children. All top notch. You should pat yourself on the back and buy another award.

PornMD

They're going to spend the money sending pornstars to the polling stations to suck dick for votes obviously.

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getting Fabian to throw a hissy fit is my new favorite pastime

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Nathan

DWB, so although I am supposedly trying to hide that Manwin gets the money, I put Manwin USA on the PayPal account name?

Genius! You obviously got me there...

The problem with you is that you know so little about many things that you can easily justify stuff in your head regardless if they make no sense at all. And because some people here react to those comments you think that you are obviously right...

In contrast, you prove nothing and understand very little. It would make reading this hilarious, if this would not be such a serious issue!

We did not ask for the company name to be added, but I would guess that it might have to do with California campaign law?! Sorry that Manwin is the biggest donor to the campaign...

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Axel_Crak

@DWB , OK fair enough, my mistake I didnt know you had gives, it could have been anyscreenshot, so thanks for your gesture for the cause...

I use to work a lot with fundraise organisation, and it was pretty usual that the biggest donators were involved in the event processus, sitting with us, talking strategies, they were not running the show at all, just brainstorming and giving advice and support, so on this case it was nothing wrong.

That is not the place to discuss about others concerns, i will just say that yes at the beginning unfortunately, we had very few issues i think on one/two our sites... that had been solved and discuss with the peoples concern in that situation. We buy content everymonth since a while, and our paysites are all good !

Now back on the real subject !

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DWB

That would get results.

Fair enough. It's all good.

No idea who put it on there, maybe it was user uploaded? But just like the mistake you made by sending money from overseas that got the lawsuit filed, mistakes happen. That said, I'm sure you asked for it to be put on there, and on their site too, so everyone can see you're the top donor, the top dawg doing good to save the industry he is destroying with the other hand.

There is nothing to justify. There is the truth and then there is bullshit. The truth is, this top secret organization clearly has something to hide, which is usually something you do.

So why is the most powerful man in porn wasting his time responding to me? Are you trying to show me the light and change my wicked ways?

Just read through a few things online for California contribution and campaign laws and didn't see anything about the top donor's name having to be put on a billing account. Please show us the part that says that the top donor's name has to be shown on any donation or billing page.