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Trax · 02-16-2003, 07:48 AM

I have a question regarding dynamic pages:

will a random mainpage get me banned on google??
i mean...
i use epowertrader on a few domains sorting the traffic based on the referer
i for example send hits from sites without popups to a popup free mainpage and other way around and i also have totally different index pages that randomly changes on every visit

will this get me PR0 ???
WG and co.
can you help me out on this one ;)

Thanks

DarkJedi · 02-16-2003, 08:18 AM

I'm not 100% sure on it, but i think I did see one guy get penalized for it.

Trax · 02-16-2003, 08:20 AM

ya
i think i know who you are refering to
he told me he got penalized for it but i somehow cannot belive it

hope wiredguy or others know an exact answer on this one
eskimoen (owner of ept) says its pure bullshit
dont know what to think - thats why i ask

DarkJedi · 02-16-2003, 08:29 AM

try asking on some SE board.

www.webmasterworld.com is a good one

Trax · 02-16-2003, 09:27 AM

HighRoller · 02-16-2003, 09:29 AM

Try asking the owner of searchengine.com

Trax · 02-16-2003, 09:33 AM

who does not know shit about searchengines
otherwise he would not have a PR4

goBigtime · 02-16-2003, 10:08 AM

Dynamic pages get more google weight.
But change too much and be penalized.

goBigtime · 02-16-2003, 10:14 AM

Don't bother looking around PPT for any SE optimizations.. PPT was only supposed to be a 30-90 day project for us, never tried to get any SE ranking with it as we already knew how to get ahold of +/- 90% of our target clients.

Trax · 02-16-2003, 10:18 AM

dont get what you want to say dude
ppt??? i have no clue what you mean

Trax · 02-16-2003, 11:08 AM

WiredGuy · 02-16-2003, 03:12 PM

I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but it just sounds like your home page changes based on the referrer. If that's the case, then when a google spider visits your page, they should get the same page all the time while surfers might get a different page. Unfortunately, this could be seen as cloaking your pages and might get you penalized, but I doubt this would happen since you're not using cloaking in an effort to increase your rankings (right?). While it is borderline, I think you should be alright.

However, if your index page changes all the time (not specific to any surfer based on referrer), then Google should just see this as a page that updates often. For example, any TGP changes everyday with a new set of links so it just means you change the page daily. No big deal, if anything, you might get spidered more often such that the google cache keeps an updated copy of your site like CNN (they get spidered more frequently).

Hope this helps, if not, just be more specific in your question and I'll try to answer you.

WG

Trax · 02-18-2003, 01:09 PM

thanks WG for the answer
to be more specific:

i have a cj with 3 different Mainpage templates which are randomly change by the script when ever a surfer visits the index.php

and i also redirect based on the referer

lets say trade A does have a good prod on Template 1 but not on 2&3,
then i send all his vistors to Main 1 only
trade B might do good with Main2,
then the mainpage for his traffic will be Main Template 2 only

is clear what i mean....??? hope so
im simply unsure if i am going to get problems because of that since googlebot will see 3 different index.php page when it comes to my site from different referrers
i also dont know what template google will pick to put in the archive

thanks in advance

Trax · 02-18-2003, 02:21 PM

WiredGuy · 02-18-2003, 02:29 PM

Redirection is not usually a good thing. It's better that you make your index.php page a "loader" page. Basically have the index page figure out which of the 3 templates you want to load and have that template load within the index page. Don't redirect users, search engines don't like this. By using this loading approach, it will appear to google your page is simply changing every time they spider you.

WG

Trax · 02-18-2003, 02:35 PM

ok thanks
will switch it off since i cant do what you suggested with EPT

02-16-2003, 07:48 AM	#1
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	Search Engine Gurus - short question I have a question regarding dynamic pages: will a random mainpage get me banned on google?? i mean... i use epowertrader on a few domains sorting the traffic based on the referer i for example send hits from sites without popups to a popup free mainpage and other way around and i also have totally different index pages that randomly changes on every visit will this get me PR0 ??? WG and co. can you help me out on this one ;) Thanks

02-16-2003, 09:27 AM	#5
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02-16-2003, 11:08 AM	#11
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02-16-2003, 03:12 PM	#12
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,486	I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but it just sounds like your home page changes based on the referrer. If that's the case, then when a google spider visits your page, they should get the same page all the time while surfers might get a different page. Unfortunately, this could be seen as cloaking your pages and might get you penalized, but I doubt this would happen since you're not using cloaking in an effort to increase your rankings (right?). While it is borderline, I think you should be alright. However, if your index page changes all the time (not specific to any surfer based on referrer), then Google should just see this as a page that updates often. For example, any TGP changes everyday with a new set of links so it just means you change the page daily. No big deal, if anything, you might get spidered more often such that the google cache keeps an updated copy of your site like CNN (they get spidered more frequently). Hope this helps, if not, just be more specific in your question and I'll try to answer you. WG __________________ I play with Google.

02-18-2003, 02:21 PM	#14
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	bump

02-16-2003, 08:18 AM	#2
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	I'm not 100% sure on it, but i think I did see one guy get penalized for it.

02-16-2003, 08:20 AM	#3
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	ya i think i know who you are refering to he told me he got penalized for it but i somehow cannot belive it hope wiredguy or others know an exact answer on this one eskimoen (owner of ept) says its pure bullshit dont know what to think - thats why i ask

02-16-2003, 08:29 AM	#4
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	try asking on some SE board. www.webmasterworld.com is a good one

02-16-2003, 09:29 AM	#6
HighRoller Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MN Posts: 1,037	Try asking the owner of searchengine.com

02-16-2003, 09:33 AM	#7
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	who does not know shit about searchengines otherwise he would not have a PR4

02-16-2003, 10:08 AM	#8
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	Dynamic pages get more google weight. But change too much and be penalized.

02-16-2003, 10:14 AM	#9
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	Don't bother looking around PPT for any SE optimizations.. PPT was only supposed to be a 30-90 day project for us, never tried to get any SE ranking with it as we already knew how to get ahold of +/- 90% of our target clients.

02-16-2003, 10:18 AM	#10
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	dont get what you want to say dude ppt??? i have no clue what you mean

02-18-2003, 01:09 PM	#13
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	thanks WG for the answer to be more specific: i have a cj with 3 different Mainpage templates which are randomly change by the script when ever a surfer visits the index.php and i also redirect based on the referer lets say trade A does have a good prod on Template 1 but not on 2&3, then i send all his vistors to Main 1 only trade B might do good with Main2, then the mainpage for his traffic will be Main Template 2 only is clear what i mean....??? hope so im simply unsure if i am going to get problems because of that since googlebot will see 3 different index.php page when it comes to my site from different referrers i also dont know what template google will pick to put in the archive thanks in advance

02-18-2003, 02:29 PM	#15
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,486	Redirection is not usually a good thing. It's better that you make your index.php page a "loader" page. Basically have the index page figure out which of the 3 templates you want to load and have that template load within the index page. Don't redirect users, search engines don't like this. By using this loading approach, it will appear to google your page is simply changing every time they spider you. WG __________________ I play with Google.

02-18-2003, 02:35 PM	#16
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	ok thanks will switch it off since i cant do what you suggested with EPT