Ever heard of Al Gore?
How about John Kerry?

The Dems picked two losers in a row, didn't bother you a bit.

Without going into a long story. I started at the beginning of the internet. First time I surfed, with MOSAIC I thought that this would change the way business was done. I learned HTML and quickly recognized that the only people that were using this new technology successfully was the adult industry. It was the right place at the right time. So I started a bikinipage. Within months I had frontpage of Yahoo and stayed there for nearly 6 years. And when Google got strong did well with them too. Learning how to optimize for search engines was something every mainstream business owner should know how to do.

If you see my posting pattern, I pop in a lot for a few days and then I am gone again for weeks. I like GFY because there are a lot of very bright people here. And talking politics with mainstream customers would be the wrong thing to do.

You did all that's while running several manufacturing businesses. Bravo. You have no friends to discuss politics with?

I am an engineer by trade. Time management skills are a big part of it.

Politics - Never, that's why I still have friends.

You are a smart man. My brother feels the same way. I lost a good friend and mentor over politics. Which was so stupid.

Romney is a joke. period.

No the last thing he is, is funny.

Watch the whole thing.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...-s-blind-trust

$77,000 to send a horse to a dressage competition. As a tax deduction.

It's great for opposition viewpoints once you sift out the idiots. I talk about politics with friends, family and a very occasional customer or two because I am very interested in how the system works and how it can be improved. Unfortunately most of the people I associate with have similar points of view to my own. Discussing things with people who start out mostly in agreement is a terrible way to learn anything. Discussing things here with Robbie, Minte, and many others does an excellent job of making me rethink my own positions, in the end my position is either stronger and better refined or abandoned in favor of a better one.

I'll never understand why people think disagreeing about philosophical matters like politics, morality and religion is a bad thing. It's the best way to learn and having different views about the right way to fix Medicare doesn't make anyone an evil person, so long as the disagreement is constructive. Sad that small minded people prevent others from being willing to voice their views. It's the main reason we don't have a national dialogue leading to real solutions.

Why don't you stick to discussing what you know?

So he has released his tax returns for the years before he decided to stand for the President and he didn't put $77,000 for a horse to go to dressage, as a tax deduction.

Those lying Democrats how dare they besmirch this noble man. :mad:

If it was not a LEGAL TAX DEDUCTION you would have a leg to stand on. As it is, you don't. So, why is it that you had to flee England?

Precisely. Blame the shitty tax code, not the people smart enough to take advantage of it. What, you'd prefer him to pay taxes he doesn't have to pay? Who would willingly do that?

At least it is HIS money he is investing in foreign oil. Obama gives other countries money to drill.... (from the debates)

Exactly, not like Obama isn't taking advantage of EVERY tax loophole he can.
Obama says he should pay more, but he wont until the tax code will Make him.

Again it is NOT a TAX Problem, it is a Spending problem.

Mitt Romney intentionally paid more taxes this year, this is because he said he paid at least 13% taxes for the last 10 years.

http://www.businessinsider.com/romney-taxes-2012-9

So why is he hiding them?

Because it is none of YOUR business and he knows if he does, ole Paul Markham will want him to send photos validating everything.

Idiot. You don't think if he was cheating on his taxes the IRS would already be on it? Tool.

And that is exactly the answer that should be given to every Obama-maniac asking for Romney's personal information.

Why did Obama Seal his Birth and other records???

Oh and take so long to release them. BLAH

2 Way Street!

baddog's answer fits that one too..He was a U.S. citizen. He was a U.S. senator for God's sake!

It wasn't anybodies business for him to show them his birth certificate. :)

And you're right. It's a two-way street. And right wing crazies made assholes out of themselves on that issue and cost the Conservative movement a lot of credibility.

Just like the left wing crazies have hurt the Liberal movement with all the crazy shit they have said and obsessed on in the election.

Both sides should be ashamed.

Agreed. These things should be open to voters. Let people know about the man they are voting for.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookm...rthcertificate

http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/why-did-o...s-transcripts/

Looking at this you see how keeping anything secret lets the opposition make up there own stories.

https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#q...w=1280&bih=811

Robbie, I don't give a lot of thought towards the Presidents Birth Cert or his college creds.
Once they become president, it doesn't matter.
But I did download the birth cert from whitehouse.gov and loaded it with Adobe Illustrator. Why does it have layers? Trump offered 5Million for his college creds, I think the right thing to do is take Donalds money

I would have never allowed my daughter to be on any meds unless there was a damn good reason, The human body can take care of itself pretty good. The war on drugs kinda went the other way, but my daughter is going to be a doctor!!

People not controlled by a parties interest could do it, problem is our elected officials want to get reelected. That's one of the reasons there are no more moderates on either side.

Debating politics keeps me from melting doing work, I look stuff up and learn. Like I wouldn't have thought Martin Luther King Jr was a republican?

the budget deficit for 2012 is 1.2 trillion?

All Presidents have been doing that, Obama's first executive order changed that

The other day Romney said that 8% of the companies that got a large amount of stimulus money went bankrupt.

What Romney failed to mention is that 22% of the companies Bain Capital was involved with went under. He's got a twenty-two percent failure rate. How many companies went under and no longer exist, and how many people lost their jobs?

Combine that with the fact that he left office with a 37% approval rating.

What you are failing to mention is that Bain invests private funds from individuals that are making an investment to hopefully profit from. Where as the federal government is using public money that they have to borrow.

Cut the spending and lose millions of jobs. It's that simple.

Or should they cut the spending, lose the jobs and wait for the private sector to stop exporting jobs?

Government spending in all countries goes 95% into their own economy to employ people. Curt the spending and lose the jobs. Lose the jobs, lose sign ups. Yes it will hit you. How many blame the unemployment or the economy for their income?

How many are seeing less sign ups from Greece, Eire, UK, Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc. Because people lost their jobs?

I asked a very important question a couple of days ago. It came down to why do Americans pay more for Health Care than anywhere else and get a crappy system. The answer is simple. US Government is in the pockets of corporations. So if anyone dreams for one moment the cuts in spending are going to harm them. Dream on.

So you are perfectly okay with our government's success rate going from 8% to 22% while the President's approval rating drops to an all time low of 37%, because that's what your voting for.

For reasons that boggle my mind people think Romney and Bain Capital is a success story. It isn't. Are you going to invest your life savings into a company that has a one in four chance of loosing it? Do you want our government investing into businesses that have a one in four chance of being here next year?

Are you honestly going to vote for a man who left office with a 37% approval rating?

Didn't they get Government funds?

Do you have a workable solution?

Because if the US Government stopped borrowing it would mean a million or more out of a job. It you're 100% export, you're fine. Except the food you eat will go up in price, oil as well. Plus a whole host of other things.

There's this insane idea that if they do away with Government spending and everything is cushy again. :upsidedow

The workable solution is the same for every person, business and government on earth.

It is called living within your means. There is nothing wrong with government spending. There are plenty of things the government should spend money on. No one that I have seen here is arguing that.

yes,yes it is,no,no,yes

anymore questions?

We agree. So the US population should all cut back on their standard of living. OK we are getting somewhere.

1. Do the employed take a massive pay cut to get more people employed.

2. Do the employed pay more in taxes to look after the millions that are now out of work and the future million?

3. Do we say fuck those and leave them to fend for themselves?

The mess we are in now isn't all the fault the over spending of Governments. It's root cause is the Wall Street and City of London banks gambling and getting rich quick schemes. With the lack of and inadequate regulations and over seeing, they gambled us into this mess.

Remember this board 2007 when all the pimps were telling us of their big share dealings ad now it's Gold or Silver. Great if they do it with their money. WS and CoL banks did it with ours and money that simply didn't exist. Do you know what they really buy and sell on the Bond markets?

The US is still running on an inflated economy without slowing it, the EU has started to put the brakes on. See the riots in in Greece for a taste.

Answer this question for us. Where should the cuts be?

Well that says it all. Your perfectly fine with our failure rate going from 8% to 22%. Outstanding.

You and Mr.Markham should retire to his forum. If you have a point to make, simply make it without all the spin and walls of text.

And personally, I don't think at all about your failure rate. I am concentrating on my success rate. As everyone should be doing.

If I did my research right here's the problem.

The US raises $2.45 trillion a year in taxes. 15.7% GDP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...federal_budget

Government spends 25.36% of GDP
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-cont...utlays-GDP.png

So Daddy's spending more on his family than he's earning. Now does he go home and say to the family "We have to start living like poorer people." Or does he keep borrowing?

What ever he chooses will be devastating for the family. The proof of the devastation is to be soon on the news programmes. Not NY this week. Even though is FEMA a great place to cut spending or split it between States?

The only sensible way out of the mess is a multi level approach.

More taxes, less loop holes.
More long term investment in the future.
Shaving back food/oil subsidies.
Tax imported finished goods.
Sales tax.

Don't forget the Government is voted in by the people, so the people must take the blame. They kept telling you "No more taxes" and didn't stop the spending. And still the voters vote them in. :upsidedow

Aren't they usually at risk companies as well?

Not really

Highrisk = High Gains.

That's why there are nickel slots for the masses.

Can you explain this please. Not to me, to all the governments cutting spending and suffering from higher unemployment. You're wasted here, you could be solving everyone's problems.

And this is what brainwashing does to people. They still buy the myth that cutting spending means the private sector picks up the jobs lost. :1orglaugh

For those who missed the question. :thumbsup

Ok Paul, I have about 15 minutes before a meeting so I will play.
However, BOOKMARK THIS POST SO, BECAUSE I WON't do it again.

The order of the list is not suggesting how I rate these cuts in importance.

#1 - Foreign aid - We give away far too much money to other countries. Why would that be our responsibility. If it's for places that have faced drought or natural disastors that should be a one time gift. Not an annual paycheck.

#2 - Close most of the military bases around the world. We have planes and ships to move troops,weapons and supplies.

#3 - Farm subsidies - I live in an agricultural area, and the farmers just laugh at the money they receive NOT to grow crops.

#4 - TSA - What a joke. Pay an army to stripseach 80 year old women who are flying from Iowa to Georgia to visit their grandchildren.

How am I doing so far?

#5 - Food stamps - The lack of oversight in that welfare program is beyond ridiculous. The black market in foodstamps keeps a lot of drug users...drug users.

#6 - Government studies. - I really don't think we need to know 95% of the bullshit that the government gives grants to study.

#7 - Government regulatory agencies. The list of agencies that watch business is totally out of control.

#8 - US postal system. Close it down and let UPS and FEDEX take it over. They will do it,and make money doing it.

Time for my meeting.