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Paul Markham 10-17-2012 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19257392)
http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...e-numbers-2012
THere is a lot of information there for you to read. Rather than me cutting and pasting it all.
Only read to that part, as |I wanted to read the article. Is this the waste you're talking about?

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Federal entitlements are driving this spending growth, having increased from less than half of total federal outlays just 20 years ago to nearly 62 percent in 2012. Three major programs?Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security?dominate in size and growth, soaking up about 44 percent of the budget. All three programs are growing faster than inflation, and?when joined with $1.7 trillion in new Obamacare spending?will drain about 18.5 percent of the nation?s total economic output by mid-century. Because that is about the historical annual average of total federal tax revenue, it means all other government programs?national defense, veterans health care, transportation, federal law enforcement, and others?would effectively have to be financed on borrowed money.
Other entitlements continue growing as well. Anti-poverty programs have surged by 49 percent in just the past decade, even after adjusting for inflation. Spending for food stamps alone has more than tripled since 2002. Health programs, including Medicaid, have increased by 38 percent, and housing assistance by 48 percent.
Although these entitlement programs have dominated the government?s spending growth, discretionary spending?spending authorized by annual appropriations bills?also has grown by 40 percent more than inflation, to $1.289 trillion. Spending on non-defense programs has grown 29 percent. These outlays peaked in 2010 due to the stimulus bill, but remain 7 percent higher than their pre-stimulus level of 2008.
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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell (Post 19256265)
I think most of the US stock market is over inflated BS and about 2/3 of my 401k is overseas growth mutual funds. Mutual funds are very diverse by their nature and the farthest thing from investing specifically in any one company.. I'm just sayin'

Brad
And the West rode on the over inflation. Until the bubble burst. :Oh crap

Minte 10-17-2012 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19257394)
This is the situation today and the problem the West faces.



And that is just China. US workers maybe more productive, not by a factor of 10. So what's the solution?

We could tax the goods coming in at the docks and this tax will pay for the loss of jobs and the investment in the future of the West. This will mean people paying a lot more for an iPad, calculator, shirt, toys, etc. In the shops.

Import restrictions. Tough one, China will not like it.

People pay more in taxes today for investment in future technologies.

Banning the import of goods that were under US/EU patent or copyright protection, isn't going to stem the flow much.

Getting China to revalue it's currency to level the field. Also is a pipe dream. You can't revalue the Chinese, Vietnamese, Philippines, Indian, etc currencies to the level required. Only a fool would offer or think it would work.

Anyone with a better solution is welcome to put them forward. cutting spending = cutting jobs. Cutting taxes 10% won't bring 2.8 million jobs back to the US or the EU. It will result in a loss of jobs or more debt.
I have seen the commercial you just quoted about 100 times already. No need to rehash what the problems are. We have elementary school children who know that.

You asked me a lot of questions,some of them pointed. How about responding to those.

And because I am interested,.,how about just this one question.

Why do kids today need more teachers per student than they needed a generation ago?

sperbonzo 10-17-2012 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19257427)
Yes he said it. As if it would level the playing field. The guy is deluded it's going to make that much difference.


This from the "break more windows, it's good for the economy" Keynesian....






.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaug h





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Paul Markham 10-17-2012 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19257437)
Why do kids today need more teachers per student than they needed a generation ago?
Because todays world requires kids with a better education. Make it harder for me please.

Or give up on debate and just resort to what sperbonzo does.

One of the cuts could be overseas aid to places like

Vietnam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_Vietnam

Israel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%...ates_relations

See the whole list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...aid#Recipients

Relentless 10-17-2012 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19257392)
http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...e-numbers-2012I went to school and the average class size was around 30 kids. Today, it's supposed to be many less. I think the quality of my education was on par with what is being taught today. Why do we need 50% more teachers to teach the same amount of students? And keep in mind, when I went to school computers didn't exist. There were no online classes. Teachers for the most part actually earned their salaries.
Teachers do not help very smart people or very stupid people. I had a few bad teachers along the way in my education, as I am sure you did during yours. When I had a bad teacher, I taught myself the topic and ignored class time other than for taking exams. I had access to all the information I needed, I had good parents and others I could ask if I got stumped and so on. I'll never forget once when I had a horrible biology teacher, I asked my father if I he could get me switched into another teacher's class and he told me one day when I was older I'd have a stupid employer or a stupid customer and its better I learn how to deal with that effectively at an early age than wait until it actually mattered to figure it out.

The bright kids hardly need teachers at all. The idiots won't learn more than the basics with all the teachers and tutors you can find. However, most people are neither very bright nor stupid. Most people benefit tremendously from having good teachers, low ratios, and access to tutors or mentors. Having ordinary kids in bad neighborhoods surrounded by good teachers all day is vital because many cant rely on parents if they get stumped, many have nothing constructive to do after school without quality programs staffed by quality instructors.

As a case of simple math... Teachers and music classes or sports after school cost much less than prisons and guards after kids fail.

The bright kid in the worst school or the idiot in the best school will do the same with more or less teachers. The ordinary kid, which is most people, will do much better in life with more teachers and better schools. That costs you and I less in the long run. Also, you mention computers...you do know roughly half of all homes in the US still do not have a computer or broadband Internet access and many schools have many less computers than students, right?

Your son and nephews may be hard workers, may be educated, may be bright enough and supported enough not to rely on teachers. That does not make them typical.

Minte 10-17-2012 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19257444)
Because todays world requires kids with a better education. Make it harder for me please.

Or give up on debate and just resort to what sperbonzo does.
The internet was designed by people with my education level. Most of the software, all of the manufacturing technology, robotics.. It's a long list of world changing accomplishments that people who had 30+ classmates in every room made.

I have been listening to this *better education* nonsense for years. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the quality of education. Maybe the schools simply need better motivated students.

If you are going to simply rehash current television ads and parrot worn out talking points, then it is you who needs to give up on the debate. Because rarely do you offer anything significant.

Minte 10-17-2012 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19257453)
Teachers do not help very smart people or very stupid people. I had a few bad teachers along the way in my education, as I am sure you did during yours. When I had a bad teacher, I taught myself the topic and ignored class time other than for taking exams. I had access to all the information I needed, I had good parents and others I could ask if I got stumped and so on. I'll never forget once when I had a horrible biology teacher, I asked my father if I he could get me switched into another teacher's class and he told me one day when I was older I'd have a stupid employer or a stupid customer and its better I learn how to deal with that effectively at an early age than wait until it actually mattered to figure it out.

The bright kids hardly need teachers at all. The idiots won't learn more than the basics with all the teachers and tutors you can find. However, most people are neither very bright nor stupid. Most people benefit tremendously from having good teachers, low ratios, and access to tutors or mentors. Having ordinary kids in bad neighborhoods surrounded by good teachers all day is vital because many cant rely on parents if they get stumped, many have nothing constructive to do after school without quality programs staffed by quality instructors.

As a case of simple math... Teachers and music classes or sports after school cost much less than prisons and guards after kids fail.

The bright kid in the worst school or the idiot in the best school will do the same with more or less teachers. The ordinary kid, which is most people, will do much better in life with more teachers and better schools. That costs you and I less in the long run. Also, you mention computers...you do know roughly half of all homes in the US still do not have a computer or broadband Internet access and many schools have many less computers than students, right?

Your son and nephews may be hard workers, may be educated, may be bright enough and supported enough not to rely on teachers. That does not make them typical.
Paul, if you read these comments from Relentless you should pay attention. No talking points or tv ads. And I agree with him. The reason we need more teachers is because it seems that the quality of students have gone downhill.

Having an entitlement society will do that.

sweetcuties 10-17-2012 08:32 AM
I will vote for Obama again, Romney has no chance... even with last weeks surge :winkwink:

Paul Markham 10-17-2012 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19257453)
Teachers do not help very smart people or very stupid people.
:upsidedow :upsidedow Ridiculous post.

Families start the process, they back up teachers work. To say teachers don't help is ignoring reality.

The other two posts by Minte were equally stupid. no wonder jobs are going to China.

Minte, again I will ask you. How did Vietnam raise the money for their Government to give you a contract? Foriegn aid, a US company going to Vietnam, ????

Is this the waste you talk of?

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Federal entitlements are driving this spending growth, having increased from less than half of total federal outlays just 20 years ago to nearly 62 percent in 2012. Three major programs?Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security?dominate in size and growth, soaking up about 44 percent of the budget. All three programs are growing faster than inflation, and?when joined with $1.7 trillion in new Obamacare spending?will drain about 18.5 percent of the nation?s total economic output by mid-century. Because that is about the historical annual average of total federal tax revenue, it means all other government programs?national defense, veterans health care, transportation, federal law enforcement, and others?would effectively have to be financed on borrowed money.

Other entitlements continue growing as well. Anti-poverty programs have surged by 49 percent in just the past decade, even after adjusting for inflation. Spending for food stamps alone has more than tripled since 2002. Health programs, including Medicaid, have increased by 38 percent, and housing assistance by 48 percent.

Although these entitlement programs have dominated the government?s spending growth, discretionary spending?spending authorized by annual appropriations bills?also has grown by 40 percent more than inflation, to $1.289 trillion. Spending on non-defense programs has grown 29 percent. These outlays peaked in 2010 due to the stimulus bill, but remain 7 percent higher than their pre-stimulus level of 2008.

Minte 10-17-2012 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19257667)
:upsidedow :upsidedow Ridiculous post.

Families start the process, they back up teachers work. To say teachers don't help is ignoring reality.

The other two posts by Minte were equally stupid. no wonder jobs are going to China.

Minte, again I will ask you. How did Vietnam raise the money for their Government to give you a contract? Foriegn aid, a US company going to Vietnam, ????

Is this the waste you talk of?


Paul, in most cases the years force a certain amount of wisdom on a person whether they want it or not. You clearly came up short or missed out on a few decades.

Believe it or not, Paul.. Vietnam is not a nation of peasants. They have spent 3 decades westernizing,building cities,airports, a complete infrustructure.

I've told you this before. We have sales reps. They are all over the world. We sell in Africa, Saudi Arabia, Australia, Europe and we even ship many containers a year TO China. What we have today is a global economy.

Relentless 10-17-2012 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19257465)
The reason we need more teachers is because it seems that the quality of students have gone downhill. Having an entitlement society will do that.

As usual we agree but from different points of view. Students are worse, but id attribute that to the fact that many now have both parents working overtime rather than staying home to raise them... and even very expensive child care sucks compared to having an actual parent watching your development live and in person.

Paul Markham 10-17-2012 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19257688)
Paul, in most cases the years force a certain amount of wisdom on a person whether they want it or not. You clearly came up short or missed out on a few decades.

Believe it or not, Paul.. Vietnam is not a nation of peasants. They have spent 3 decades westernizing,building cities,airports, a complete infrustructure.

I've told you this before. We have sales reps. They are all over the world. We sell in Africa, Saudi Arabia, Australia, Europe and we even ship many containers a year TO China. What we have today is a global economy.
So no direct answer. Just a lot of hot air about how great you are.

Yes Vietnam rebuilt itself on foreign aid so you could get a contract from them. Without US Government wasting money in Vietnam, you wouldn't have the contract.

Yes you ship containers to China and they send fleets of ships loaded with goods back. How will cutting teachers solve that problem?

Now answer the other question about waste or do you know what I will reply with and how you made a mistake?

Sly 10-17-2012 10:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19257667)
:upsidedow :upsidedow Ridiculous post.

Families start the process, they back up teachers work. To say teachers don't help is ignoring reality.

The other two posts by Minte were equally stupid. no wonder jobs are going to China.

Minte, again I will ask you. How did Vietnam raise the money for their Government to give you a contract? Foriegn aid, a US company going to Vietnam, ????

Is this the waste you talk of?
Vietnam has been growing. They have been slowly transitioning out of the old idea of communism. Chinese money is flowing in Vietnam.

I was looking into investing in Vietnam a few years ago because of this.

Sly 10-17-2012 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19257743)
Yes Vietnam rebuilt itself on foreign aid so you could get a contract from them. Without US Government wasting money in Vietnam, you wouldn't have the contract.
Sure they would. You think the United States is solely responsible for any success in Vietnam? Hey, I think this is a great country and we do have a lot of power, but we don't have that much power.

arock10 10-17-2012 11:12 AM
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...-s-blind-trust

skip to 0:46 to hear what Romney himself has to say about blind trusts. Or just watch the whole thing

Paul Markham 10-17-2012 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19257754)
Sure they would. You think the United States is solely responsible for any success in Vietnam? Hey, I think this is a great country and we do have a lot of power, but we don't have that much power.
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Normalization of relations?particularly in the economic sphere?began hesitantly in the early 1990s, progressed incrementally through the mid- and late 1990s, and then accelerated markedly following the signing of a Bilateral Trade Agreement (BTA) in 2000. One measure of the pace of the normalization of bilateral economic relations is the increase in trade flows, which rose from about $200 million in 1994 to over $1 billion in 2000, to nearly $4.5 billion in 2003. The United States is now Vietnam's largest trading partner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...nce_to_Vietnam

Minte 10-17-2012 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19257739)
As usual we agree but from different points of view. Students are worse, but id attribute that to the fact that many now have both parents working overtime rather than staying home to raise them... and even very expensive child care sucks compared to having an actual parent watching your development live and in person.
No doubt that is some of the problem. It started years ago, when bleeding hearts started to label children. How many kids today are on some sort of medication for some *condition*.

I think the biggest problem is that the pressure on parents today to create that perfect human in their likeness is unreasonable. If your child doesn't turn out to be a lawyer or a doctor or at least pulling down a 6 figure income,it's because the parent was lousy or the child has OCD or some other condition of the month. Then it was only natural to *treat* the child with some drug.

At the end of the day, everyone can't be the chief. There has to be some indians too.

Minte 10-17-2012 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19257743)
So no direct answer. Just a lot of hot air about how great you are.

Yes Vietnam rebuilt itself on foreign aid so you could get a contract from them. Without US Government wasting money in Vietnam, you wouldn't have the contract.

Yes you ship containers to China and they send fleets of ships loaded with goods back. How will cutting teachers solve that problem?

Now answer the other question about waste or do you know what I will reply with and how you made a mistake?
How much more direct do you need? As it is, I owe you nothing.

There are a lot of bright people on both sides of the fence that for whatever reason continue to post here at GFY. You are the anomaly here. Some of your business posts are spot on. That's those years of wisdom I referred too.

And then make posts like in this thread that are actually bizarre.

If you don't live here in the US and only read about it online then I can understand why you wouldn't see the waste. That's fine. You don't live,vote or pay taxes here. You probably have spent a few weeks a year at shows in Vegas or/and Miami.

The list of government waste is so large that I challenge you to go look. Anyone that lives here knows a lot about how our government wastes billions of tax payers dollars.

And there is another option. Put me on ignore and don't feel slighted if I don't waste my time responding to your barrage of questions.

Relentless 10-17-2012 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19258017)
No doubt that is some of the problem. It started years ago, when bleeding hearts started to label children. How many kids today are on some sort of medication for some *condition*. I think the biggest problem is that the pressure on parents today to create that perfect human in their likeness is unreasonable. If your child doesn't turn out to be a lawyer or a doctor or at least pulling down a 6 figure income,it's because the parent was lousy or the child has OCD or some other condition of the month. Then it was only natural to *treat* the child with some drug. At the end of the day, everyone can't be the chief. There has to be some indians too.
Thank you for summing up the reason why it is important to create a framework for our society that keeps all of the 'Indians' safe, secure and out of poverty. When the playing field is so tilted that any salary of less than 250K per year falls short of being able to have a few kids with one parent who stays at home with them and a house that isn't a disaster - parents live in terror that their offspring will fall short of that mark.

Working hard at a job 9-5 with a spouse who stays home and two or three kids you raise in some moderate degree of comfort is a dream beyond reach for way too many people - including many who now earn a 'good living' or even some families that have both parents working overtime.

True single payer basic healthcare, investment in early childhood education, an elderly care system that does not bankrupt and 'cash out' anyone's life savings during their limelight years - those kinds of things create a structure that allows people who work hard but lack the aptitude to make millions, to still enjoy life and gives their children a chance to be even more prosperous. It's why those things are so important and why funding them is so cheap compared to the alternative of more jails, less security and far more squandered potential.

Relentless 10-17-2012 01:24 PM
By the way Minte,

I am of the opinion that in the course of a long weekend you and I could easily hammer out a platform that appeased right and left wing interests while setting a clear and positive course for the entire country. The solutions to many of the problems we agree exist are identical, regardless of which POV you take as to how they came about. I'm confident both parties know this as well. The reason they don't do it is that they are paid to fail rather than to succeed by a never ending number of lobbyists.

Sad, but true.

Paul Markham 10-17-2012 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19258032)
How much more direct do you need? As it is, I owe you nothing.

There are a lot of bright people on both sides of the fence that for whatever reason continue to post here at GFY. You are the anomaly here. Some of your business posts are spot on. That's those years of wisdom I referred too.

And then make posts like in this thread that are actually bizarre.

If you don't live here in the US and only read about it online then I can understand why you wouldn't see the waste. That's fine. You don't live,vote or pay taxes here. You probably have spent a few weeks a year at shows in Vegas or/and Miami.

The list of government waste is so large that I challenge you to go look. Anyone that lives here knows a lot about how our government wastes billions of tax payers dollars.

And there is another option. Put me on ignore and don't feel slighted if I don't waste my time responding to your barrage of questions.
As you won't answer. The Waste is the billions of dollars being spent in the US by the Government. Some of it borrowed. This inflated the US economy to such a degree that everything looked rosy. Most were living the American dream, on borrowed money. Until a pin burst the bubble and it all came crashing down. Or should I say greedy unregulated gamblers, gambling with other peoples money, brought the system crashing down.

The 1% did all right, they got masses of money and as the World economies burned they sat and fiddled.

Now the Republicans want to cut spending and throw millions out of jobs. Or is it only 10,000s? What ever it is, it will be a huge number. In public and private sectors.

But don't worry about Minte.

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You asked the question if I am ready. The answer is yes. I could've retired years ago. My assets far exceed my debt. My children could live their lives and never work and if they weren't stupid about it, their children could do the same. But not working is not an option. I enjoy my job and now have one of my children here and 3 nephews. The goal is to make it interesting for them to grow. Btw. All of them to date have college degrees, before they took a job with us.

The federal government of Vietnam is not our biggest customer. They are our metals division biggest customer. Our biggest customer is our agricultural tire company which we own.
Because him and his family part of the 1% who never get screwed. The 47% well he doesn't give a fuck about them, so long as someone waves a cut in his taxes. He would vote for a monkey or Adolf Hitler. If teachers get sacked, it won't effect him. He's got enough to send his kids to private school, if Medicare gets cut, he doesn't care, he's got enough to go private. So it's fuck you poor people, I'm all right.

Maybe they should cut the farm subsidies and import food, then his tyre factory might be fucked. Cut oil subsidies so you pay more for gas.

But he loves to spend all his time on GFY debating with us. I own a car business, Skoda you might of heard of it. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Personally I don't think you own anything but a few web sites. No businessman of your imagined magnitude would bother himself with GFY. And no I won't put you on ignore. I love seeing you try to debate and losing.

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For the rest. The problem the US faces isn't unique to there. It's the same in the EU and two are so closely linked, what happens here effects the US and visa versa. We have to bring back the wealth we exported to the Third World. I say we, it was in fact the 1%. A EU factory worker never sent his plant to China, it was his boss. Because in China a worker gets 10% of what he did.

The only way to get the wealth back is in educating and investing in our children's future. And making sure those who don't have the skills to fill the advanced jobs of tomorrow are not cast aside. It will take a combination of Governments and business to work together. It can't be solved by either on their own. And yes Minte, it will cost you money today.

Robbie 10-17-2012 03:41 PM
In last night's debate, when Obama tried this same argumnet...Romney pointed out that Obama's OWN pension has investments in Chinese companies.

Of course Obama deflected and said he didn't know WHAT was in HIS investments.

So once again, it's okay for Baby Jesus Obama to not know what's in his investment portfolio...but Romney is held to another standard.

Such hypocrisy.

Minte 10-17-2012 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19258284)
As you won't answer. The Waste is the billions of dollars being spent in the US by the Government. Some of it borrowed. This inflated the US economy to such a degree that everything looked rosy. Most were living the American dream, on borrowed money. Until a pin burst the bubble and it all came crashing down. Or should I say greedy unregulated gamblers, gambling with other peoples money, brought the system crashing down.

The 1% did all right, they got masses of money and as the World economies burned they sat and fiddled.

Now the Republicans want to cut spending and throw millions out of jobs. Or is it only 10,000s? What ever it is, it will be a huge number. In public and private sectors.

But don't worry about Minte.



Because him and his family part of the 1% who never get screwed. The 47% well he doesn't give a fuck about them, so long as someone waves a cut in his taxes. He would vote for a monkey or Adolf Hitler. If teachers get sacked, it won't effect him. He's got enough to send his kids to private school, if Medicare gets cut, he doesn't care, he's got enough to go private. So it's fuck you poor people, I'm all right.

Maybe they should cut the farm subsidies and import food, then his tyre factory might be fucked. Cut oil subsidies so you pay more for gas.

But he loves to spend all his time on GFY debating with us. I own a car business, Skoda you might of heard of it. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Personally I don't think you own anything but a few web sites. No businessman of your imagined magnitude would bother himself with GFY. And no I won't put you on ignore. I love seeing you try to debate and losing.

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For the rest. The problem the US faces isn't unique to there. It's the same in the EU and two are so closely linked, what happens here effects the US and visa versa. We have to bring back the wealth we exported to the Third World. I say we, it was in fact the 1%. A EU factory worker never sent his plant to China, it was his boss. Because in China a worker gets 10% of what he did.

The only way to get the wealth back is in educating and investing in our children's future. And making sure those who don't have the skills to fill the advanced jobs of tomorrow are not cast aside. It will take a combination of Governments and business to work together. It can't be solved by either on their own. And yes Minte, it will cost you money today.
You sound pretty sure of yourself Paul. How about a wager. If I can easily prove that my statements regarding the companies I own are fact, you log off GFY and never come back.

And if I can't prove it, then I will log off and not be back.

While you are considering your position, I will take this opportunity to tell you to shove it up your stupid ass. I have a long history in business of more than treating our employees with respect. We supply benefits at a higher rate than anyone in the area. Our pay rates are higher than any one in the area. The management team works long hours to make the work challenging yet safe and enjoyable.

Are you ready to take the wager

Sly 10-17-2012 05:09 PM
It's truly amazing to me how so many rail on Minte and his "business practices." Truly insane.

Relentless 10-17-2012 09:33 PM
Minte, have you given Paul Markham an up to date bathroom count?
He has a fetish for toilet to employee ratios... ;)

astronaut x 10-17-2012 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19250910)
This is the system the world goes by. And the man knows how to make money.

Why is it that so many of you try to make that a bad thing.
Cheney knew how to make money for Haliburton. :2 cents:

baddog 10-17-2012 10:48 PM
Would be an outrage if Obama wasn't doing the same thing . . . I guess.

baddog 10-17-2012 10:54 PM
and Markham is actually questioning Minte's legitimacy? Was there a Troll of the Year Award for 2012?

PornMD 10-17-2012 10:54 PM
I love how everyone is patriotic only when it suits their interest. Who would give a flying fuck about someone investing in foreign corps (the nature of INVESTING is to MAKE MONEY ON YOUR MONEY WHEREVER YOU CAN) if it wasn't a presidential candidate everyone loves to hate that's doing it?

So now if he comes out and says "I like the band Nirvana", people will either say "Nirvana sucks" or "He must be lying". This shit's getting ridiculous. The guy is a shitty politician and would be a shitty leader - focus on THAT aspect of him...focusing on all this other shit makes you all seem petty and if anything, plays him UP not DOWN.

Oh, and all of you investing in Apple are supporting borderline slave labor in China, you unpatriotic pieces of shit. But damn is your investment profitable!

Paul Markham 10-17-2012 11:33 PM
The Chinese economy is on the wain. It will only grow by 7% this year.

Most of what it produces is exported.

That's the problem, what's the solution?

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You sound pretty sure of yourself Paul. How about a wager. If I can easily prove that my statements regarding the companies I own are fact, you log off GFY and never come back.

And if I can't prove it, then I will log off and not be back.
Just send me an email. It will stay private if it proves you right.

KillerK 10-18-2012 12:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19258991)
The Chinese economy is on the wain. It will only grow by 7% this year.

Most of what it produces is exported.

That's the problem, what's the solution?



Just send me an email. It will stay private if it proves you right.
no way, it needs to be public, so when he wins you are history from the board. Sorry but you bring ** ZERO ** value to GFY. Most threads you get involved in turn into FAIL at some point.

baddog 10-18-2012 12:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19258991)
The Chinese economy is on the wain. It will only grow by 7% this year.

Most of what it produces is exported.

That's the problem, what's the solution?



Just send me an email. It will stay private if it proves you right.
You will find some way to weasel your way out of it. You must not be very observant if you don't think he is legit. Seriously, that's like saying Vendzilla was never on a sub or Rochard in the Marines.

Say goodbye Paul.

Paul Markham 10-18-2012 01:27 AM
Then if you guys know why post it?

Seems strange a big time factory owner posts on GFY.

Anyone wants to put me on ignore is welcome to. Anyone quoting my posts is reading my posts and asking me to reply. Go figure how bright that is.

Black All Through 10-18-2012 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19250879)

What do you think he will do when he's President?
Thats the thing, he wont become president :2 cents:

Paul Markham 10-18-2012 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Black All Through (Post 19259120)
Thats the thing, he wont become president :2 cents:
I would love someone to tell us why the Republicans picked two lame dogs in a row. The US should be a power house for the World, when is was we all did well. When it over inflated, we did better. We know the rest.

The Third World will not be the power house the US was, the EU is in a worst spot and that should be discussed more because of the repercussions of the Euro collapsing.

We need a new Roosevelt and all we get is squabbling.

Minte 10-18-2012 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19258991)
The Chinese economy is on the wain. It will only grow by 7% this year.

Most of what it produces is exported.

That's the problem, what's the solution?



Just send me an email. It will stay private if it proves you right.
What address would you like me to send it to.

Paul Markham 10-18-2012 05:16 AM
paulmarkhamcontent at hotmail will do thank you.

tony286 10-18-2012 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 19257814)
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...-s-blind-trust

skip to 0:46 to hear what Romney himself has to say about blind trusts. Or just watch the whole thing
Yep and thats why he wont release 10 yrs of tax returns because he was much more active in activities then he states.
If he wins, its a very close horse race and has a gop house and senate. He will cut taxes, fuck the middle class and the poor and drive spending to a level never imagined. Thats what republicans do and when they arent in power they scream about spending and when in power its spend spend spend.No tea parties screaming about it back then, I wonder why? Also unemployment wont go down and it will turn from Obama's fault to the lazy peoples fault. They should all go work at Mcdonalds or walmart who cares if you got your degree. Book mark this.

tony286 10-18-2012 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19258956)
and Markham is actually questioning Minte's legitimacy? Was there a Troll of the Year Award for 2012?
I believe minte says who he is but to a normal person it makes no sense. He has this very profitable production business and others for years. But goes into porn where if he was found out at the time ,I assume would of cost him contracts. Also he has all this time for running a porn empire and running a empire of bricks and mortar businesses.Even though the two empires nothing is related to each other so there is no overlap. He is a chief of industry who makes more money than any of us can imagine but seems to have a ton of time to fuck off on gfy. And has nothing better to do in his life than argue politics with people who arent even close to his peer.
I can see how a normal person would question that.

Minte 10-18-2012 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19259348)
paulmarkhamcontent at hotmail will do thank you.
Email has been sent, I appreciate that you keep those links and info confidential.


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