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Old 02-13-2003, 09:54 PM   #1
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WOAH -- Japan threatens pre-emptive forces against North Korea

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2757923.stm


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OMG I hope they do not wake Godzilla because that could be a real bad thing.
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Old 02-13-2003, 09:59 PM   #3
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OMG I hope they do not wake Godzilla because that could be a real bad thing.
If N. Korea had Mothras DNA and Japan found out they were in talks with the Raelians (ClonAid), would Japan have the authoritah to bomber N. Korea? Would that be considered "a self-defense measure" ??



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The Bush years.
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The Bush years.
I hope we all survive Bush
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I hope we all survive Bush


My fingers are crossed.
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After an additional 4 years of Bush... this will be our next el presidente:

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After an additional 4 years of Bush... this will be our next el presidente:

There should be laws against that...
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just remember people
they wanted to empeach bill clinton for a BJ

now who needs to be empeached
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"now who needs to be empeached"

Whats the charge? Eliminating radical arabs and crazy asians with nuclear ambitions. That bastard
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I'm sure it will stop when the Chinese, who have been awful silent, begin to tell N. Koreans to shut their pie holes.
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I'm sure it will stop when the Chinese, who have been awful silent, begin to tell N. Koreans to shut their pie holes.
china love north korea. if anything they will help them.
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china love north korea. if anything they will help them.
I'd bet China loves their economy's progress more then the N. Koreans.
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I'd bet China loves their economy's progress more then the N. Koreans.
point taken.

but they are both marxist if i am not mistaken. dont under estimate the power of a comrades call to arms to those red star wearin fellas.
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Old 02-13-2003, 11:41 PM   #16
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Is it just me or am I the only one who see's something really huge and really terrible building. We have SEVERAL countries with weapons of mass distruction all aimed at each other.

WWIII on a plater anyone?
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Old 02-13-2003, 11:42 PM   #17
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I'm sure it will stop when the Chinese, who have been awful silent, begin to tell N. Koreans to shut their pie holes.
Oh you mean those guys who pushed an american fighter/spy plane off course to steal the technology, then blamed us for it and demanded an apology, holding the crewmembers hostage and stripping the plane until it was nothing more than a shell?

I'm very much thinking that China, if and when they decide to take sides, will defiantly send a couple million to fight against the USA just because they can.


Course, if they do that, thier economy is going to go to shit...America imports everything from toys to toilets from them.
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the shit is going to hit the fan very soon

the end is near
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Old 02-13-2003, 11:52 PM   #19
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the shit is going to hit the fan very soon

the end is near

If I could afford it I would move to the hills of Arkansas.

It's so fucking beautiful in the Ozarks and you would never have to worry about any fucking bombs out there.

Creeks, streams, woods, fresh air.

I envy my parents. They live up in the Ozark mountains by an old hippy ranch from the 60s. It's Pure up there.

Plus, a house that would normally cost $1,000,000 anywhere else you can get built for a fraction of that. (Less than 200k)

As soon as I can afford to build a house and live off of the internet, my ass is back to Arkansas...I'm heading for the Ozark Mountains.


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China knows its cool to be quiet and leave the US guessing as what their position is.... Because it gains concessions for them.

Consider the first encounter with Saddam. At the start of the conflict, China was in a state of embargo too, just like Saddam is now, they were in the embargo partly because they are communist but mostly these sanctions were placed on them as a consequence of the human rights violations during the Teinamen Square incident, where innocent protesters were killed, and run over by tanks and shit.

That left China with only 1 export... arms to the middle east. During this time, Saddam and China got very 'chummy'.

And it led Saddam to believe that he had the backing of China when he made his move on Kuwait. But in the 11th hour, the US met with China and agreed to lift the embargos, and sanctions and granted them all sorts of benefits.

So China backed out, and left Saddam high and dry, holding his balls to get raped.

After 4000 odd years of playing war games, nobody is better at it than China, and they owe allegiance to nobody. In fact they'd just as soon hang N.Korea out to dry, and would consider it a masterful stroke of political genius, when they count their booty after all is done.

Some words of wisdom from Paul Hogan, aka Crocadile Dundee.. "Just remember, When everyone else in the room are losing their heads.. gee.. you'll be the tallest one in the room!"

I believe this is Chinas philosophy. Or in other words its extremely unlikely we'll see China get involved in a war, they'd just as soon watch everyone else fuck themselves up, while they chug on. If America and Europe and everyone else in the world were to destroy themselves, that would leave China as the dominant economic super power of the world.

I bet Asian based corporations are giggling to themselves right now.

But it seems really silly that Japan would want to create instability in Asia, I can see why the USA would want it, though.

I wonder what mega-political deals are going on behind the scenes that we know nothing about.
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Old 02-14-2003, 01:46 AM   #21
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We live in scary times.

Hasn't been this scary since Poppa Bush was in office. ;)



Even if I did think the end was near, I most likely wouldn't post about it because:

1) What good would it do

and

2) It is a lose/lose statement that can never be proven correct.

(If everyone dies, who do you prove it to, and if nothing happens, you look like a paranoid freak. Lose/Lose statement)


Just my .000048 cents worth.
(Current leadership has devalued my two cents this much.... ;(
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Old 02-14-2003, 01:56 AM   #22
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I'd bet China loves their economy's progress more then the N. Koreans.
That's our only hope.

Remember the song by Sting..."I hope the russian's love their children too."

Well he needs a new one..."I hope the chinese love their x-boxes too."
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Japan cannot send armed forces out of their territory until their Constituion is changed to START anything. Only in self defense. Not saying they might not break that... but alot of other countries would get bent that were involved in WWII as well as the occupation of Japan afterwards.
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The Bush years.
Bush has neither built nuclear weapons in N. Korea, nor hit the US on 9/11. It happened to be during his administration and he has to meet the threats (after all, all Americans love cheap oil for their car and a stable economy and peaceful life home).
When Iran threatens the oil region with nuclear weapons in 5 years, it will be the Hillary Clinton years
And when China rises as the next superpower, challenging for real the US hegemony, and not like France and Germany are doing now, it will be the spring rolls/rice/WonTonsoup years
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Fuck yeah.

Give me some Fried Rice, WonTon Soup, Sweet and Sour Chicken, Crab Ragoons, Peppered Beef....

Fuck man...

I'm getting me some Chinese food tonight.

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Fuck yeah.

Give me some Fried Rice, WonTon Soup, Sweet and Sour Chicken, Crab Ragoons, Peppered Beef....

Fuck man...

I'm getting me some Chinese food tonight.

Yum.

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I don't think they can use force, it is against the surrender of WWII, they don't even technically have a military it is a "defense force". But don't count them out I think it is the 3rd largest military spending country in the world =)
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China knows its cool to be quiet and leave the US guessing as what their position is.... Because it gains concessions for them.

Consider the first encounter with Saddam. At the start of the conflict, China was in a state of embargo too, just like Saddam is now, they were in the embargo partly because they are communist but mostly these sanctions were placed on them as a consequence of the human rights violations during the Teinamen Square incident, where innocent protesters were killed, and run over by tanks and shit.

That left China with only 1 export... arms to the middle east. During this time, Saddam and China got very 'chummy'.

And it led Saddam to believe that he had the backing of China when he made his move on Kuwait. But in the 11th hour, the US met with China and agreed to lift the embargos, and sanctions and granted them all sorts of benefits.

So China backed out, and left Saddam high and dry, holding his balls to get raped.

After 4000 odd years of playing war games, nobody is better at it than China, and they owe allegiance to nobody. In fact they'd just as soon hang N.Korea out to dry, and would consider it a masterful stroke of political genius, when they count their booty after all is done.

Some words of wisdom from Paul Hogan, aka Crocadile Dundee.. "Just remember, When everyone else in the room are losing their heads.. gee.. you'll be the tallest one in the room!"

I believe this is Chinas philosophy. Or in other words its extremely unlikely we'll see China get involved in a war, they'd just as soon watch everyone else fuck themselves up, while they chug on. If America and Europe and everyone else in the world were to destroy themselves, that would leave China as the dominant economic super power of the world.

I bet Asian based corporations are giggling to themselves right now.

But it seems really silly that Japan would want to create instability in Asia, I can see why the USA would want it, though.

I wonder what mega-political deals are going on behind the scenes that we know nothing about.
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After an additional 4 years of Bush... this will be our next el presidente:

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China knows its cool to be quiet and leave the US guessing as what their position is.... Because it gains concessions for them.

Consider the first encounter with Saddam. At the start of the conflict, China was in a state of embargo too, just like Saddam is now, they were in the embargo partly because they are communist but mostly these sanctions were placed on them as a consequence of the human rights violations during the Teinamen Square incident, where innocent protesters were killed, and run over by tanks and shit.

That left China with only 1 export... arms to the middle east. During this time, Saddam and China got very 'chummy'.

And it led Saddam to believe that he had the backing of China when he made his move on Kuwait. But in the 11th hour, the US met with China and agreed to lift the embargos, and sanctions and granted them all sorts of benefits.

So China backed out, and left Saddam high and dry, holding his balls to get raped.

After 4000 odd years of playing war games, nobody is better at it than China, and they owe allegiance to nobody. In fact they'd just as soon hang N.Korea out to dry, and would consider it a masterful stroke of political genius, when they count their booty after all is done.

Interesting, but I think you are giving China's strategic prowess and long-term vision a bit too much credit. This is the same contry that brought us the "great leap forward" and the "cultural revolution." I agree that China can be unpredictable, ironically even when it's own interest is in consideration.

What makes China dangerous is their leaderships willingness to engage in nationalist self destructive behavior, in order to maintain political, cultural and economic control.

Imagine Bush or Clinton, with no checks and balances.
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Hasn't been this scary since Poppa Bush was in office. ;)
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Japan cannot send armed forces out of their territory until their Constituion is changed to START anything. Only in self defense. Not saying they might not break that... but alot of other countries would get bent that were involved in WWII as well as the occupation of Japan afterwards.
We don't care about little things like our constitution, why should they?
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just remember people
they wanted to empeach bill clinton for a BJ

now who needs to be empeached
Note to self, remember they're mostly highschool/college kids with no life experience and very little knowledge.
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It's never been this scary.

Were you alive (or in school) when they were teaching children to "duck and cover" in case of a nuclear attack.

I remember a time when everyone felt that a nuclear war with Russia was inevitable.
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Note to self, remember they're mostly highschool/college kids with no life experience and very little knowledge.
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Bush has neither built nuclear weapons in N. Korea,
but they only dropped all the agreements with the un when bush said the ywere in hthe axis of evil.
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I never knew japan had a military,,
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It's never been this scary.
Don't worry too much. We should all be safe.

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I never knew japan had a military,,
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/
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Old 02-14-2003, 12:16 PM   #45
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Remember this when considering the N Korea/Japan situation:

The Koreans HATE HATE HATE the Japanese.

The Japanese are the same way.

The Japanese occupied Korea during WW2 and did all sorts of nasty things. They've invaded and conqured Korea several times over the last millenia or so.. Only once has Korea ever won.

The Japanese took women slaves, fucked up the Feng Shui of Seoul, and did all sorts of crap that pissed the Koreans off, in addition to the whole conquering them thing.

Now, I can imagine that the N Koreans would love to nuke the Japanese, and I can imagine that the Japanese see the same thing. I can bet that if they could, they would send at least one nuke in Tokyos direction. It's so close, they wouldn't even need their one ICBM - they could use an SRBM most likely.

Getting pretty tense over there.

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Old 02-14-2003, 05:54 PM   #46
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Don't worry too much. We should all be safe.

Nostradamus predicted the end of the world to be in the year 3786 or 3797, depending on which Nostradamus expert you believe.


Shit by that time humans will be inhabiting other earth-like planets throughout the galaxy. And earth will be unhabitable becuase we fucked it up.
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Old 02-14-2003, 05:56 PM   #47
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Our Korean programmer tells me that one of the worst insults in Korean is to call the other person Japanese.
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Old 02-14-2003, 06:55 PM   #48
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China knows its cool to be quiet and leave the US guessing as what their position is.... Because it gains concessions for them.

Consider the first encounter with Saddam. At the start of the conflict, China was in a state of embargo too, just like Saddam is now, they were in the embargo partly because they are communist but mostly these sanctions were placed on them as a consequence of the human rights violations during the Teinamen Square incident, where innocent protesters were killed, and run over by tanks and shit.

That left China with only 1 export... arms to the middle east. During this time, Saddam and China got very 'chummy'.

And it led Saddam to believe that he had the backing of China when he made his move on Kuwait. But in the 11th hour, the US met with China and agreed to lift the embargos, and sanctions and granted them all sorts of benefits.

So China backed out, and left Saddam high and dry, holding his balls to get raped.

After 4000 odd years of playing war games, nobody is better at it than China, and they owe allegiance to nobody. In fact they'd just as soon hang N.Korea out to dry, and would consider it a masterful stroke of political genius, when they count their booty after all is done.

Some words of wisdom from Paul Hogan, aka Crocadile Dundee.. "Just remember, When everyone else in the room are losing their heads.. gee.. you'll be the tallest one in the room!"

I believe this is Chinas philosophy. Or in other words its extremely unlikely we'll see China get involved in a war, they'd just as soon watch everyone else fuck themselves up, while they chug on. If America and Europe and everyone else in the world were to destroy themselves, that would leave China as the dominant economic super power of the world.

I bet Asian based corporations are giggling to themselves right now.

But it seems really silly that Japan would want to create instability in Asia, I can see why the USA would want it, though.

I wonder what mega-political deals are going on behind the scenes that we know nothing about.
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didnt think of that. well put
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