90% of people who post of gfy do not believe in that statement.

Democracy will cease to exist when someone comes up with a false final solution.

Look around the World and back in history, Hitler is a prime example. He came to power in Germany ravished by the Great Depression and a population who felt hard done by. He rode on the wave of support for his solution, which was to throw money at the problem and create jobs. While uniting the people against a common enemy they could blame for their downfall.

He didn't need to disarm the citizens, he used the to oppress others.

Hate is a powerful weapon. Combined with fear, it's a very powerful weapon.

This has blown up in the news. It's really fun listening to the republican spin doctors try to put a good spin on this. Soledad O Brien is destroying Bay Buchanon on CNN right now. I'm loving this shit -- thank you Mitt Romney.

when was the last time you lived in Europe or Canada?

maybe you could point me to that nanny state you're speaking of and i can move there and finally stop working

Fuck the rich.
Fuck the poor.
Fuck everyone in the middle, too.

That about right?

I wrote out a long reply but it would be wasted here so I will paraphrase it.

Ever since Carter there has been a relentless campaign against the poor in this country. The problem has been exaggerated and exploited so that working class Americans are told that the poor have it easy because of all the money being thrown at them by liberals. 'Regular' Americans eye the poor with suspicion and a fucked up belief that if the poor applied themselves and were willing to work instead of getting 'handouts' they would not need government assistance, everyone would have jobs, taxes would drop to a fraction of what they are now and every house would have a rainbow over their kitchen sink shitting golden coins. It is a complete exaggeration at best and a total lie at worst.

There have been abuses in the past... no doubt about that and there continue to be abuses but huge generalizations about 47% of the population ONLY serves to divide this country even more when what we really need is some kind of unification.

edit: what makes you think that was a leak to Mother Jones? It sounds like something Romney would embrace and even use in a campaign speech... seems he is just using the 'liberal media' to his own advantage to me

the more success seems unobtainable the lazier people will get.

Putting the Founders to Work
When widely syndicated columnist Cal Thomas posted a commentary on his website (1/15/09) opposing federal bailouts, he cited quotes from Thomas Jefferson to bolster his argument:

?The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not?;

It is incumbent on every generation to pay off its own debts as it goes. A principle, which, if acted on would save us one-half of the wars of the world?;

?I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them?; and,

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.


Thomas described these quotes as ?ancient wisdom,? which, he said, ?is almost always better than what people come up with today. Consider that it became ancient because it was wise.?

But consulting The Works of Thomas Jefferson available in full at the Online Liberty Library, as well as the Library of Congress? online Jefferson site, Ed Darrel of Millard Fillmore?s Bathtub (2/1/09) could find no evidence authenticating any of the quotes. [See correction below.] As Darrel, whose website targets historical falsehood, observed, ?Jefferson seem[ed] oddly prescient in these quotes, and, also oddly, rather endorsing the views of the right wing.?

None of the quotes could be authenticated on the Jefferson Library website (www.monticello.org) either, which includes the first and the last quotes in Thomas? column in its list of frequently cited ?Spurious Quotations.?

CORRECTION: Variants of two of the four quotes offered by Cal Thomas have been found in the Jefferson Cyclopedia database at the University of Virginia: The second quote appears with slight wording variations, and the third quote is a close paraphrase of an actual Jefferson quote. The first and fourth quotes can still not be verified.

I live in it. :1orglaugh

What none of these guys can't come up with is a solution to the problems.

I can't wait for the Presidental debates. That's PPV shit I'd pay $50 to watch. :)

What none of you get is without the Government spending and borrowing money, the effect on your incomes would be huge.

The Governments take money people would spend largely on imports and give it to people to give them jobs. Take that money away and the biggest effect would be on imports and unemployment.

Yes some money could be saved. Overseas aid, go and investigate how much of that money ends up in the bowls of the poor and how much in the banks of their rulers.

Defence, forget about cutting that much. 1,000s of highly trained killers are not people you want unemployed. Or the people making their weapons.

Health care. Employs 100,000s. do you want them out of a job?

Government, also employs 100,000s of people and keeps the wheels turning.

Banks. Forget about cutting that. Your income relies 100% on the banks staying afloat. Yes they should be forced to lend more. And you can pick up the costs when it goes wrong.

:upsidedow The guy who wrote that must of been drinking. Our grandchildren will be paying off our debts.

haha, he's just really not doing himself any favors:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LWjE5rtYOoo

He absolutely right. There is a moocher class in America that will vote to keep their government checks rolling in. As well as social security recipients who the democrats try to scare by telling them that republicans are going to cut them off. What does this add up to except exactly what Romney said?

as a potential president your job is to improve the life of all americans - or at least try your best.

not just give up on 47% of the population - which in this case includes also pensioners and people with low income - not just leeches

Why don't all of you liberals in bumfuck europe start paying for our moochers and illegals instead of telling us to do things like your shit hole countrys do them?

Its actually not true at all. I go to Panera all the kids that work there work two full time jobs to pay their bills. Also most of the "welfare" collectors are white red staters.
Also they all pay payroll tax also in that number are the elderly , the military. I woke up years ago about the low wage people pay nothing. My sister in law was 18 working at burger king. I did her short form taxes for her. She only got $300 back from the $1400 they took from her check.

http://www.alternet.org/election-201...draising-video

1. ? All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to healthcare, to food, to housing, you name it. That that?s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ?

Are all of Obama?s supporters on some form of public assistance?whether state welfare programs, Medicare, Social Security, a government pension or disability payment? The answer, obviously, is no. According to a JZ Analytics poll of 1,014 likely voters between 9/11 and 9/12, of which 469 backed Obama (46.3%) and 395 backed Romney (38.9%), 137 people, or 29 percent, said they earned more than $75,000 a year. That alone tells you that there is something wrong with Romney?s assertion.

?When all federal, state, and local taxes are taken into account, the bottom fifth of households pays about 16 percent of their incomes in taxes, on average,? the Center?s analysis said. ?The second-poorest fifth pays about 21 percent.? According to the one tax return he's released, Romney paid less than 14%.


Also back in the good old days you had public college in NY it was free to go to city college. Andy Groves went there. You owe your living to a man who got a entitlement.

and how many are disable? Born Blind, Not hearing, Missing a limb, etc...

I'm in favor of getting the disable to work, but realistically few are hired...

He has to attack but he has no facts just yelling yelling liberals liberal. Ma Dalton tell him what you owed after you graduated college? Bet it wasnt a mortgage type loan for go to a ok school at best.

did i hit a nerve?

my debt after university? zero

i worked part time to pay for my flat, car and other expenses, for the university i just had to buy books, no other fees.

Dont you wish?

Tell us how many moochers your forced to support through your tax system mcDalton?

oh please. welfare money goes right back into the economy anyways. sure a lot of people shouldn't be on it and are getting something for nothing but how much money would businesses lose when those who spend it no longer have it? when there are more jobs than people out there, then you can start complaining about "hopeless losers".

Thank you.Here you go to a state school for a 4 yr degree its 60k.

aren't the red states (the romney backers) the biggest receivers of govt money?

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter, it is still government money. Money the government doesn't have. The total amount of people on government assistance is only going to rise, not lower, driving the nation further into debt. This is a huge problem.

I'm not saying what is right or wrong, I'm just saying it is a serious problem that has to be dealt with because the US can not afford to continue so much assistance.

Does it matter? They are not on the brink of financial disaster.

misspelling of nicknames is 1st grade of board trolling, but i'll let that one slide... :winkwink:

and i have no idea, quite a few probably

but i chose to accept it because on the other hand no one who really needs help is simply thrown in the gutter

we probably have a different view on free education and health care too.

i am very happy about the place i live - here in my bumfuck, socialist, eastern european shithole :thumbsup

you joking? the eu has a number of countries in very big financial trouble.

Hey MaDalton, tidy up your guest room. I'm sending a few of these moochers to bunk with ya. :1orglaugh

thanks, but here in CZ we already have enough gypsy ghettos to take care of :winkwink:

When oil companies take Billions of dollars in 'subsidies' that's ok. When large agricultural companies like ADM take billions of dollars in 'subsidies' and artificially inflated prices that's fine too. When we spend billions on outdated military hardware still preparing for a war with the USSR that did not happen nobody seems to mind. The entire tax code is a dozen pages about tax rates and 3,000 pages of exceptions stuffed into it by lobbyists allowing people like Romney to legally pay 13% in taxes while anyone working hard at a job for a paycheck pays 30% in taxes but people turn a blind eye. However, you find one mentally unstable dim witted mother of three who figured out how to 'game the system' for and extra couple hundred dollars in food stamps and thousands of holier-thn-thou American launch into blind rage.... Unless it happens to be their sister in law, aunt, a friend of a friend... Then it's not such a big deal.

Poor people are poor for a reason. There are many very lazy wealthy people, take a look at any trust fund kid. So laziness isn't the key marker. Low intelligence makes poverty more likely. Horrible parents makes poverty much more likely. Mental illness is often a factor. Lack of quality education is a cause. Put simply, there are many people in this world who are not good at playing the game of life when it comes to earning a living. That won't change. Add to it the fact that we need many less people to be able to get all the work done in a technologically advanced society a nd the number of 'extra people' gets even larger. Now throw on top of that the fact that the people least equipped to be good parents tend to have the most children and you can see the trend only accelerating.

So... What do we do ith them? We used to have bloody wars and send thm off to be killed in ground combat. War doesn't work that way anymore, welfare moms are unlikely to be good unmanned drone pilots or SEAL team members. A huge plague culls the population, but modern medicine has prevented any big ones in recent decades. Incarcerating poor people for silly non-violent infractions like selling pot can work, but as it turns out it becomes much more expensive than welfare.

That leaves us with a very simple truth. The harder you make it on poor people, the worse it is for all of us. Rampant poverty means homeless people committing petty crimes and costing a fortune as inmates, vandalism, more maniacs in the public schools used by middle class kids, gangs, and all the rest. At some point people will figure out that the lazy scumbags at the too are taking handouts that would make any welfare mom blush. AIG? GM? The Banks? Oil Companies? Bogus military contracts to companies like Haliburton?

We do not need 20-30% of our population. You can kill it, make it and yourself miserable or you can take care of it. All three choices have their pros and cons...

None of the first paragraph you wrote is ok. It's the part of spending more than you earn syndrome that has put the government in debt to the tune of $16T. The problem didn't get better with Obama. It got worse. Much worse. Obama has failed this nation more than I could've ever imagined when I listened to him talk 4 years ago. He has done nothing, to curb wasteful spending. On the contrary..he has encouraged it.

That's exactly what my parents used to say about our generation twenty years ago...

And your parents were right.

Really please give 4 real examples not made up bullshit. Considering corporate profits are at a all time high and the market is at 13k. Bin laden dead. Please tell us how he ruined the country. Its funny when the right spent like drunken sailors that was ok. Also Obama put the war on the books which W didnt have it in the budget. I thought you were a businessman. You dont understand that debt doesnt go to zero when the new president starts? Also its congress that spends not the president.

...and 20 years later.... look at the government debt, economy, and society.

:2 cents:

Yep and there is one that was written in ancient greece I cant find it that says the same thing.

“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”


― Socrates

You know, I wonder about this "47%". I mean, what exactly does "government benefits" include?

I went to school on the GI Bill and also have a student loan I'm still paying off. Does that mean I collected government benefits?

The Federal government has spent hundreds of millions building a new freeway a few miles from my house - stimulus money - does that count? What about the discount I receive on my power bill because I'm testing smart meters on both my meter and my ac unit - This is funded by federal tax dollars, does that count?

I wonder how else I'm benefiting from the federal government?