Barefootsies

- Get three amateurs willing to get frisky, pay $500.00 for the cost of the shoot (total).
- Mix up your pairings, and get 7-10 scenes total.
- You try and sell each scene (7) a minimum of 50 times in 30 days ($3500.00).
- Split revenue with Clips4Sale ($2100.00/profit month one).
- Open up pay site. You can do this any number of ways to control your expense.
- Get 100 members @ $19.95 - $24.95/month memberships ($1995.00 - 2495.00/month).

Month one $2100.00 + $2495.00 gross profit. Subtract cost of models, hosting, and anything else you blow your money on. Scale accordingly. Tada, you're in the porn business and making more than 90% of GFY.

You're welcome.

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If they are getting naked, you aint getting 3 girls to 7 -10 scenes for $500.
Also $2100 at clips 4 sale maybe back in the day. Everyone I know who made serious money there have found it falling off a cliff.

Gerco

The way I see the numbers... (I actually wrote this a 4 years ago so some of the numbers have changed a little)

Fully managed dedicated server, 250 a month.

Now, lets say you have to bill by Ccbill and charge say, $24.88 a month, about 15% (about $3.73 of that monthly charge for each member comes right off the top and also, lets say you depend on affiliates to send you traffic, (Most sites do) and those affiliates average 50% of the top... ($12.44)per sale and rebill. So 16.17 of your 24.88 membership is already taken leaving the site owner 8.71 of the remaining amount of the membership.

So it would take 29 paying members per month to break even and cover just the hosting the hosting of the site.

Now, in order to take visa or mastercard, your also having to pay 1000 per year in their fee's. About 83 bucks a month. so your cost is really 333.00 a month.. so you need 38 paying members a month to break even.

Now you still have to buy your camera, buy a computer, buy a video camera, have internet service in order to upload you content. So lets go cheap here... Say you goto bestbuy and you can get the camera for around 500 bucks (you HAVE to have even the cheapest digital slr) the cheaper cameras just can not take pictures fast enough to keep up during a real photoshoot. and lets also say you are willing to wait so you can get away with a cheaper computer... something portable like a macbook or something... figure 1200 bucks for something that actually going to let you edit video etc.. The video camera? any Mini DV... so figure about 350 for that on the really cheapo end. OK, you still need to buy blamnk DV tapes for that video camera.. figure around 5 bucks a pop if you buy in bulk at sams club... and lets say you do a new shoot at least 1 time a month and do a cam show ever week, thats 5 tapes a month minimum so 60 tapes a year, $300 bucks. (you never use the same tape twice as you want to be able to keep each original tape as your backup) You also must have so storage if your going to actually be working with those tapes as capturing 1 hour of raw avi mini dv is going to burn up 12gig of drive space... you can pick up lacie drives right now for $350.00 for 2 terebyte. And just to be realistic here... let not forget the little things... like memory cards for the camera, readers to read those cards, cheapo hardware store shop lights for the actual lighting of the sets your shooting, and all the other little crap your going to need lets figure $500 bucks for all that Misc. cause your a real bargen hunter.

Software? well your a fucking super cheapo so you steal all of that from warez sites etc...(no don't do that) Your not a cheapo? ok well go buy Photoshop, Dreamweaver, and adobe premier at there very least cause your going to be using all 3 of them hardcore. Another 1000.00 bucks there at least.

So lets break this all down for those that are having a hard time following...

camera- 500
video camera 350
computer 1200
tapes 300
storage 350
misc 500
software 1000

total = 4200 dollars. but we are doing this buy the year... so 350 bucks a month..

Wait... still have not actually built a site... you know a designer (right) no really... you need a actually good site design.. 1000 bucks on the cheap end. Plus, you need to have some sort of script that controls your content... cheap.. 500bucks (good 1000 bucks install and setup+ poss a monthly fee of at least 150) but we are poor fuckers so lets stay cheap. Anti hacker software, anti hotlinking software and other programs you need to keep you server running nice and smooth... figure a budget of at least 400 bucks for that...

So on the cheapo end your talking 1900 bucks to actually build the site. (good luck with that btw)

So equipment and site design are now at 6100. again...Oh.. and you must pay the visa master card fee BEFORE you can start taking transactions...7100. Oh... and remember that server in the begining? did I mention that require a 1 year contract? 250x12 = 3000. Your internet connection another 40 bucks a month. 480 a year...

So your startup cost? Starting from scratch... no members... $10500.80 (875 a month broke down over 12 months)


you only make 8.71 per member charge @ 24.88 remember... so you going to need 1215 paying members to break even the first year. (you still have not paid yourself.... or your webmaster as most girls actually only get a cut of the site, the webmaster who built it actually takes more than 50% (real life 70% or more for taking the risk) So how many members a month do you need to break even? 101. (spreading all costs out for a year) which you cant do in real life.

ok... now lets say you run the site yourself... and want to make the what someone making oh... 8 bucks an hour would make before taxes. (basically Minimum wage with no benefits of any kind) That equals out to about 16640 a year... thats another 1910 members your sites going to have to have over the year on top of the already required 1215 so 3125 or 261 members a month.

Thats 9 members PER DAY.

Add a girl working for a webmaster... doing a 50% split of the profits and well, you do the math.

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Barefootsies

I am not faulting your post. However, you are talking about many things that someone doing a start up would not get into. Like hiring webmasters, professional website design, and all of that other stuff.

While all of that could be needed eventually, you do not need it right out of the gate, and you can make money just fine without it. The same can be said for software. I prefer using the higher end software myself, but you do not need that right out of the gate, and there are plenty of low end solutions. The same can be said for cameras. People can get them off eBay, pawn shops, or alike if they wanted to go that route.

Again, I am not saying that if you want to do high end production, your numbers are wrong. What I am talking about here is a start up, which would be done on a minimal budget, and CAN be done.

I did not say naked. There are plenty of fetishes that do not require naked women.

Are these people updating throughout the day, and 4-5 days a week? Are they sending out newsletter emails after every update? Or are they just relying on the psychic powers of their previous customers to know when they do updates? Are their URL or domains on the videos?

Those are just some things that come to mind. I know myself, I have bought clips from a store I found and liked and could not find them later. Why? Because they do not do the things above. The same can be said on some of the niche free sites. I find clips I like all the time, and would be willing to pay for it. But you can't find the source.

I know even now today, there are places I buy from all the time, and have for years, that rarely tell me they have updated. I have to go to the site and check it when I think about it. Maybe once every couple of months they send out an email.

My point is, if you think that I am just going to REMEMBER to check your site weekly for updates, you're insane. Those who effectively market, update, and are consistent still make money. Most of those crying they do not make money are not consistent.

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It was much closer to that easy at one time.

Barefootsies

If you treat working online like an actual job, meaning you're consistent, then you should be able to make money. Most of those I find who are not making money, are just not working. They will bust their ass 2 days a week for 8 hours, and then not work the rest. Or they spend all day on GFY fighting with complete strangers.

The first thing you need to ask yourself is,.. are you really working a full 8 hour day, 5 days a week, at this.

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Barefootsies

Indeed.

At one time, you did not need to work. You could throw up a few clips on C4S in your niche of choice, rely 100% on their traffic to drive you sales, and maybe update 1-2 times a week with a new full length clip and expect to make decent money.

Now there are tens of thousands of stores. However, many of the same stores from 5 years ago are still on the main page today. Why? Because their content is better? They market better? They do multiple updates a week?

You need to ask yourself,... why are they successful and others are not. The answer is there.

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tony286

They dont do the same numbers they once did. Working hard for less. The 2k number in one month now probably would make you one of the top producers on that site.

Zuzana Designs

Now get those models online doing webcam and open a studio and split the revenue with them while you broadcast for several different companies

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Barefootsies

There are studios/companies/individuals doing over $5-10k/month. Kiwi can reinforce this fact.

However, those who are, tend to be very involved with their membership base. This is not rocket science, and has been said for years. Those who jump on a cam, answer their members, send them personalized pictures, update often, and market themselves still will make good money regardless of the economy.

If you're just throwing up a single full length clip once a week, and think that C4S traffic is going to drive you $2k/month, then you're fooling yourself. As I said before, anything worth having requires work. If you do not treat this like your full time career/job you can expect to make part timer money.

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Screwed Up

Ok, I'm not questioning the rest of your mathematics, but this: How do 3 amateurs split $500 each? $166.66 per model Or do you mean $500 for each model?

This might work for lesbian and solo shoots. But in hardcore, 1 cumshot = 1 scene.
You ever did fake cumshots/creampies in your scenes?

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I guess this just answered my question...

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You're paying too much for talent, or you don't know the amateur market.

We're not talking pros here, we're talking amateurs. Average ModelMayhem amateur rate is $50/hour to take her clothes off ... and hasn't changed in years. I can (and have many times) shoot 3 scenes in an hour without an issue. The math is correct.

If you have doubts, contact an amateur MM model and ask them for nude rates for web work. You'll find my rates are correct, and BF's math is sound on the cost side.

That being said, even if he's being generous on the income side, it's still a profitable model ... especially replicated.

Barefootsies

True dat.

Exactly. This does not even get into licensing, and the ways you skin that cat 10 times over.

Additionally, for those who do not want to deal with models and recruiting headaches right out of the gate, you can still do this business model with licensed content. You can simply license content for a $500.00 one time purchase and get 30-90 scenes, depending on provider. Just check the B&S section for the daily deals.

If you can make $1000 in your 1st month of clip sales, you just achieved ROI and then some.

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Can't even consider this serious. You are missing development costs, marketing budget, need more content to even start a paysite + get updates, affiliate costs 50/50, billing fees, dedicated server fees, cms fees / one time or recurring, script fees, promotional materials costs top of my head.

Barefootsies

That's because you were too busy trolling to bother reading. Thanks for playing. Good day.

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Paul Markham

It must be true, it's on GFY.

Handling 3 models without the skills to do it, is like herd cats.

Getting 7-10 scenes out of them.

Selling them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BF I'm having a special on the bridges I'm selling. Hit me up.

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VenusBlogger

Well I did something like that, but buying licensed content from others, so I dont have to shoot myself... Im not a content producer and content is cheap these days.

Already got 100 members rebilling each month, now I go for 200... and soon to open another site.

You gave some good advice, Good Sire...

Pairiod.

edgeprod

Shitty content is cheap these days. Speaking of shitty content, you can license Paul's very cheap with the special he has going on. Yup, I just gave Markham a backhanded plug.

fuzebox

So many of you guys miss the point. What Barefootsies is posting is 100% true and doable if you are intelligent and capable. People here do this every day, I've even done it. If you want to naysay by inventing tens of thousands of dollars in unnecessary expenses, you will either never be successful, or you already are and are now afraid of competition

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edgeprod

Good job having the courage to be just that mean. We were all THINKNG it, but you SAID it. It's amazing to see the people who haven't done this (and therefore don't think it works). It's one of the lowest hanging fruit in the industry.

Barefootsies

Agreed. It always cracks me up when the naysayers say it can't be done. Yet it can be easily, & on small budget.



You can't get much simpler with a 30 day ROI and minimal investment. Making money in adult is not difficult. It just requires some work and consistency. As I said previously, if you can't make money in adult.... The first question you need to ask yourself is - "are you're really working 8 hours a day, 5 days a week?" Ya know... like ANY job.

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If anyone SMART puts in ACTUAL hours, they're at the top of the earning curve. That's how it has been for years, and will continue to be.

rowan

"Mathematics 4 Getting intoe Porn"

Interesting typo, coming from a foot fucker.

Barefootsies

Amen BROmance.

I have friends who want to get into adult, and I explain to them the hard truth of being a webmaster. Which is the same routine day in and day out. While you can invest in some level of automation, it's little more than getting a clip store (or some site, service, whatever) making a $1000.00 a month, then scaling it out as many times as you want until you are hitting your goal. That's it.

If you want to make $10,000.00 a month it can be done. Just work on it 8 hours scaling. Making money online, or in the adult industry, is not hard. It is just a lot of boring ass routine day in and day out. Some can handle it, many can't. Treat it like a job, put in the hours, automate where possible and be consistent.

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Not talking about shitty content... Maybe that's what you like in YOUR free sites, but not me.

And BTW, if you really know how to market it, you can sell it...

edgeprod

You said content was cheap. I said SHITTY content was cheap.

I'm sorry, but I gave you another chance, and you proved me wrong about you again ... you're another Markham, but without the (limited?) charm he has. You're not nearly as funny as him, either, because with you, it's becoming clear you aren't trolling and you actually MEAN or BELIEVE some of this crap. It's actually a little scary.

edgeprod

Sadly, aBROham lincoln, the economies of scale don't kick in for adult in the same way they do in other industries. Also, horizontal markets are harder to tie in efficiently. It's a shame.

Penny24Seven

having about 20 clip stores for almost ten years now I can say this thread makes it look so easy then how it really is. There are many many things to do to make your store do well, most you learn by doing and a lot I have never seen anyone ever talk about which is good.

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Also very true. It's not as simple as it's been presented here, but the DOING is the important part. Put hours into it, and you learn as you go what works and what doesn't. Sitting on the sidelines is never as fun as being in the game.

Barefootsies

What I have found is most people just do not want to work.

I have had people buy sites that were consistently making money for year(s) and run them into the ground in no time. When they come back to me, and complain about how they are not making any money, I go over their typical work day.

Long story short, it goes something like, "well I worked this day, but this day my dog died, and this day I had a hang over, and I worked for 2 hours here, but this week I was off...". It is not mystery science theater to say the least.

If you ran any RL business this way, you would not make any money either.

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Correct. I did not post up the entire A-Z blueprint, as I doubt few would. However, the meat is on the bone. To fill in the blanks,... you open up your eyes, do a little research, and use a bit of common sense.

That being said, in the end it comes down to.... there is money to be made if you treat it like a job and put in the hours.

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Look dude, you are full of complete UTTER SHIT from the very first moment I read you...

Keep up your LIES for yourself, NOBODY.

2005 check, lol.

johnnyloadproductions

Footsie, you have such nice posts if you sift through your sarcastic .gifs and filler ""

edgeprod

I'm starting to feel bad for you. The point you are apparently trying to make is that since I worked with SexKey in 2005 before I went exclusive with a single contract, and I posted that check, it's somehow LESS important than a phantom check you refuse to post, from any time period (sorry, piriod)? I'm not sure I follow the logic.

You said you make double that now. That's $25,000 per WEEK. That makes you the largest affiliate I know, and that's impressive. But, to me, and I'm sure to 99% of the people here, it sounds like complete bullshit.

And when I call you out on it, you freak out. It's your pattern.

I'm sorry if you got offended, but you can't just go around making stuff up and then getting mad when people see through it. It just doesn't work, even on a fucked up place like GFY.

Just apologize for lying, admit you want help, and I'd be happy to reconsider. It'd show you're a big person, and willing to learn. By continuing to pretend you're someone you're not, it just hampers your ability to BECOME that person.

This is as nice an offer as you're going to get from anyone that matters.

edgeprod

Just to bring you back to the boil that's necessary for you to truly melt down, here's another couple of checks from the 00's:




Technology services for the win.

Still waiting for you to post ANY checks from ANY time. I'd even settle for your McDonalds payroll check at this point.

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edgeprod

Called him out, I was right, so I'm on ignore. Seems like the best way to prove a theory. Lazycash would have a field day with this guy.

What's the point of trying to pretend to be something you're not? It's always struck me as so odd. At one point, I made good money in this industry, and when my income slowed down, I was never too proud to ask questions. Never felt the need to have GFY's "approval" on my life, and I don't understand guys like this that seem to feed off of it.

Do they really think we believe that they're some kind of baller, yet they can't understand WordPress? It's so weird.

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