baddog

You know the answer to the question. Administrative costs. Fuck that. That is what Obama is going to bury us with.

Brujah

Quit assuming the math is wrong, or based on your assumptions if you're too lazy to do the research. If it matters to you, then you should at least make an effort to break it down factually and accurately. Don't make assumptions based on someone else's GFY speculation.

The actual amount Paul Ryan wants to cut is $170 billion.
9 million students utilizing the Pell Grant.
A maximum of $5,550 per student per year.

The 2010-2011 program awarded $35,676,927,369 to over 9 million students for an average of ~$3,964 per student.

Over 1/4th of all students in the U.S. take advantage of the Pell Grant program. Almost 80% of students receiving bachelor's degrees, use Pell Grants. Due to rising costs of tuition, the Grant only covers a small portion, about 1/3rd the costs and most of these students will take out student loans.

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Brujah

See above. Not only that, this isn't an Obama thing. Obama just signed a Pell Grant cut into law last year.

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_Richard_

so this one cut is going to do massive damage to whatever recovery the US hopes to achieve over the next few decades?

unless of course, the plan is to turn the US into the newest 3rd world country

Paul Markham

You cannot spend your way out of debt.

Countries have big problems cutting their costs to get out of debt.

Countries can't tax cut out of debt.

You can't wait for an economy to turn around.

The only way for a country to get out of debt is to produce and sell overseas.

The problem is telling people that you will be putting more money in their pockets, even if in the long term it doesn't happen, will get votes.

You need more companies like these at the top to be American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ies_by_revenue cutting education is the stupidest move in the list of stupid moves.

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DAMNMAN

Our masters don't want us educated.
They don't educate slaves, do they? (or did they?)

Education for all is a wonderful concept and a free society would want everyone to be the best they can be. That includes education through college.

Without cheap/free education for all only the rich will get a college level education and therefore create a caste system. As it was in the not so distant past.

In the USA education is going down hill faster than you can imagine anyways. My son is 11 and in the sixth grade. He's been in private schools 'till last year.
I just found out that they no longer teach cursive writing in public school in Florida.

That's right all you guys saying that you don't need an education to succeed. You guys made some cash and you did it most likely through your own companies. Goog for you.
I bet you can at least write in cursive.............. I bet you learned it in a public school..............

Just try to get a good, well paying job for a company you don't own. (and not porn) If you don't have a college degree they won't even look at your application.

FREE/LOW COST EDUCATION FOR ALL IS PARAMOUNT TO A FREE SOCIETY. (I ain't saying we are a free society these days either, but that another topic)

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One less god!!!
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Mr Pheer

Cut education and build more prisons

KillerK

This sounds like a WIN!

DAMNMAN

Sad thing is............... They have.

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One less god!!!
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astronaut x

There is no doubt that is where this country is headed. Remove education from the equation, and we should see an explosion of the prison workforce.

?The private contracting of prisoners for work fosters incentives to lock people up. Prisons depend on this income. Corporate stockholders who make money off prisoners? work lobby for longer sentences, in order to expand their workforce. The system feeds itself,? says a study by the Progressive Labor Party, which accuses the prison industry of being ?an imitation of Nazi Germany with respect to forced slave labor and concentration camps.?

The prison industry complex is one of the fastest-growing industries in the United States and its investors are on Wall Street. ?This multimillion-dollar industry has its own trade exhibitions, conventions, websites, and mail-order/Internet catalogs. It also has direct advertising campaigns, architecture companies, construction companies, investment houses on Wall Street, plumbing supply companies, food supply companies, armed security, and padded cells in a large variety of colors.?

astronaut x

Your statement is misleading.

"President Barack Obama increased Pell grants in his stimulus bill -- the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The president then proposed indexing Pell Grants for inflation and increasing the Pell to $5,975 by 2020, but Congress never followed up to enact that into law.

When Republicans took the House majority in 2011, the first piece of legislation passed included a $5.7 billion cut to Pell Grants, though the bill never made it through the Senate. Later, however, Pell Grants were cut during the debt ceiling debacle in the summer of 2011.

But in the Budget Control Act of 2011 -- a deal reached between Congress and the president to raise the debt ceiling -- overall Pell Grant funding was boosted."

Relentless

The cool thing, is in a few years the people on Unemployment won't be able to spell it.

Ahh never mind, we probably won't have Unemployment Insurance much longer either...

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SomeCreep

Oh man, I hate to think of what 4 more years of Obama would be like. He's divided our country and vilified big business. He's at war with Republicans and all the businesses that built our country. That's a BAD thing, people. Use your brains. Also, the unemployment rate is the same as it was 4 years ago. Obama's fiscal policies and attack on big businesses have not helped to create jobs. Unfortunately, he's such a genius with rhetoric and delegating blame, that I bet he'll have no problem getting re-elected. (and yes i know this post is slightly off topic. I've never given a shit about that though. That's the beauty of GFY, lol!)

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MaDalton

that you blame him for being at war with the republicans sounds totally crazy from an outside point of view

i think in the rest of the world we have more or less the consent that over the last 4 years the republicans did whatever they could to prevent Obama from succeeding at anything

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ColBigBalls

Yup. Cut Educational programs right out. It's not like the US isn't top in all fields anyway... Wait wut?

_Richard_

and here i thought americans built the country

i'll be pleased to remind americans in the future that if they're not a corporation, they're not really doing anything to 'build' the nation

astronaut x

By the way, Obama is not in favor of for-profit online schools like pheonix, devry and itt tech...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_870085.html

Mr Pheer

We didnt build that.

_Richard_

i am, um, sorry to hear

DavieVegas

LOL this thread is funny. Why should I pay for kids to go to school to smoke weed and fuck around? On another note, US education is shit anyways. 80% of graduates cant even use there degrees for anything worth making a living with. Im all for cutting pell grants.

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1. Because those kids when educated properly will compete with the kids in China being educated properly.

2. US education is shit, so why not improve it?

3. Depends on the degree.

Look around the world at the countries cutting spending. UK, Greece, Spain, Italy, etc. They are ALL increasing unemployment and few are cutting their debts. Because it slows down demand. Which is the opposite to what Republicans promise.

Governments spending wisely, YES.

Give the already earning more to spend, NO.

If you think spending to keep people working is unwise. You're deluded or greedy.

"and all the businesses that built our country"

Would that be the businesses building wagon trains or steam boats or banks?

The future is in what will build, not what did build.

The business owners who built America want more money for doing nothing but putting their man in the White House. Paying people more for the same amount of work makes people lazy, not work harder.

"Necessity is the Mother of Invention."

"Money for nothing is the Mother of Sloth."

Why complain about people getting money for nothing (people on benefits/support), when you're trying to bribe the electorate by giving them more money for nothing?

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Theo

It would make more sense to re-evaluate the grants and improve the process of how they are given instead of eliminating then.

Theo

Or just wait for 2 more decades when every single graduate from a reputable university will be from india or china.

DamageX

Apparently you haven't worked with Indians. The vast majority of them are lazy, unmotivated, can't follow instructions and totally lack initiative. Plus they don't understand English worth shit, even if they actually speak it.

Yep, I'm really scared of Indian minds taking over the world...

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Theo

DamageX, the indians living in USA are not like that. You see them as doctors, in transportation business, academic positions etc. Ive experienced Indian programmers living in India and you are right on the spot

Paul Markham

Why do you have experience working with Indians?

Other than running a curry restaurant.

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Theo

Also have in mind that the brains from Indian are always recruited by major corp that work directly with their local universities. The rest will end up working on scriptlance, odesk, rentacoder, elance etc etc

DamageX

Yeah, and out of 1.5bln Indians those account for how big a percentage...? Besides, most of the Indians in the US drive cabs or run convenience stores anyway. Just because it's a stereotype doesn't mean it's not true.

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Theo

They wont take over the world, but the US youngsters are up to some serious competition.

DamageX

Nah, I'll take an American graduate over an Indian any day of the week.

The Chinese, on the other hand... They're smart, driven, disciplined and hard-working. Those WILL take over the world.

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Theo

They do, their kids though receive education and being more hungry achieve more than the average lazy american kid.

_Richard_

can't the same be said for 'white people'?

Mr Pheer

80% of graduates cant even use their degrees for anything worth making a living with.

http://www.wikihow.com/Use-There,-Their-and-They're

bronco67

I think it's already common knowledge that this guy is a monumental asshole. He has the most punchable face I've ever seen.

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Freaky_Akula

They should do what I did. Work and save to put themselves through college. Kids these days want everything for free. Besides, I often wonder what they teach these kids in school and college these days. Everything has been dumbed down and now every retard can get a college degree.

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DamageX

Of course it CAN. But if you've even worked with an Indian outsourcer, you'll know what I mean. And those are usually the "smart" ones.

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Brujah

The decline of education in America *is* the Decline of America. All you jerkoffs are doing is accelerating the pace.

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_Richard_

bullshit seems to be fairly universal..

DamageX

So do blanket statements, without any backing.

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astronaut x

We have to create jobs. People need to be educated to do these jobs.
We need to stop funding phoenix university, itt tech, devry, and other for profit online schools.

That would cut some costs.

Employers do not want to hire these types of graduates.