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Barry-xlovecam · 09-03-2012, 07:38 AM

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pornguy · 09-03-2012, 07:46 AM

My ex wife had a Pell grant even though her parents had a combined imcome of more than 300k a year.

Her sister on the other hand went to school totally for free from scholar ships she found in some amazing places.

Tom_PM · 09-03-2012, 07:46 AM

They always want to cut social programs that help the poor rather than end unneeded tax cuts and government subsidies. It's their way to rile up the low brows of their base.

pornmasta · 09-03-2012, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Just stop production of a few bombers and stop giving money to the most profitable and rich corporations the earth has ever known and oh by the way how about everyone pay a fair tax from rich to poor?

no no, no
you need educated people to produce cheap bombers ;)

Tom_PM · 09-03-2012, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

no no, no
you need educated people to produce cheap bombers ;)

I actually worked for a while on circuit boards for B1B's and more modern stuff. Trust me, there was not one college grad in the bunch. And that was in the 1980's. I scored a 100% on the training and didn't have a high school diploma. True story.

GrantMercury · 09-03-2012, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Sorry, but we can not afford to continue with some programs. Apparently, that is what Romney understands that Obama does not.

Then start by cutting the oil subsidies, not college loans.

Like we don't have enough uneducated people in America?

GrantMercury · 09-03-2012, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

My ex wife had a Pell grant even though her parents had a combined imcome of more than 300k a year.

Her sister on the other hand went to school totally for free from scholar ships she found in some amazing places.

Some really smart, hardworking students get rewarded with grants. Should we not reward smart, hardworking students?

GrantMercury · 09-03-2012, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

I didn't get hand outs. Sorry about their luck. Welcome to life.

QFT

I think you're just jealous and resentful.

A student loan is NOT a "hand out". It's a hand up! They must be repaid (and they WILL BE - there is no getting outta paying).

Jesus FUCKING Christ! This country is fucking doomed. When the people think eliminating access to higher education for the average person is a bad idea that's pretty much the end of the road. Higher education only for the Mitts of the world? "That's life"?

GrantMercury · 09-03-2012, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

They always want to cut social programs that help the poor rather than end unneeded tax cuts and government subsidies. It's their way to rile up the low brows of their base.

Know who it will appeal to? The FUCKING IMBECILES who never went to college, and don't want anyone else to, either.

There is a segment of the population who bitterly resents educated people. You can spot them pretty easily - they'll pat themselves on the back for their "common sense" while claiming college "makes ya stupid."

They don't want anyone to have something they don't. But education is what America desperately needs.

GrantMercury · 09-03-2012, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Why give away my tax money? Let the students take out loans like everyone else.

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You're kidding, right.

1. It's not "given" it's loaned.

2. Why would having an educated population help you? Think on that one.

IllTestYourGirls · 09-03-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

if tuition prices have been going up, and the jobs are there but the skills aren't, wouldn't it make sense to simply trying to lower the cost of tuition prices?

frankly, increasing the cost of education isn't going to save the USA and in extension the western world

decreasing it would, and it be something the rest of the world would refer to as an 'investment'

And having the government subsidize it makes costs go up

Vendzilla · 09-03-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

education should not cost money for those who receive it - it's an investment of a society into its own future

(sorry for my socialist outbreak here)

I agree with you that education shouldn't cost anything, but do we really need more lawyers?

MaDalton · 09-03-2012, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I agree with you that education shouldn't cost anything, but do we really need more lawyers?

supply and demand

woj · 09-03-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

You're kidding, right.

1. It's not "given" it's loaned.

"The Pell Grant is covered by legislation titled the Higher Education Act of 1965 (HEA), Title IV, Part A, Subpart 1; 20 U.S.C. 1070a. These federal funded grants are not like loans and do not have to be repaid. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pell_grant

GregE · 09-03-2012, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I agree with you that education shouldn't cost anything, but do we really need more lawyers?

Well, you got a point there

Maybe Pell Grants for everything except law school?

All kidding aside, a college degree is the new high school diploma.

Back when the government first mandated grades 1-12 public education, that's all most people needed to make a decent living.

That's clearly not the case anymore and the government would do well for the country as a whole to act accordingly.

The Dawg · 09-03-2012, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim

There is one difference I've noticed between the two parties.

It's that liberals do at times vote for things which will not benefit them personally, they do it for the common good. Conservatives NEVER vote for anything that won't benefit them personally. That's why the whole concept of "trickle down" is so appealing to conservatives. Basically it says, make me happy and maybe things will work out for you, if it doesn't work out for you, at least I'm still happy and my advantage over you is probably even greater now.

It's the same way conservatives feel that the best way to get rich people to do the right thing is by giving them every tax break and opportunity they want and removing every regulation. On the other hand, they think the only way to get poor people to do the right thing is to take everything from them and putting stipulations on everything, then maybe they will realize they don't want to be poor anymore, as if it were a choice. Do you see how they treat rich humans and poor humans as two totally separate creatures? One needs to be nurtured and coddled, the other needs "tough love" and to be punished in order to yield the same result.

I'm not saying liberals always make the right choice, but they do at least sometimes vote outside their personal interest because they feel it's the right thing to do. Conservatives never do that, at least not anymore.

BTW, there is NOTHING wrong with voting for your own interests above all else, that's totally fine. But don't pretend it's for the good of the country or make up some rationalization that you are helping others but they just don't realize it yet. That's what the Ryan budget is, it fucks over a lot of people just to help a few who need no help at all.

+1 Sir.

tony286 · 09-03-2012, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

They try to achieve "common good" by different means...

Democrats want to achieve it by taxing successful people more and then using that $$ to provide benefits to less successful people...

Republicans on the other hand tend to support policies that benefit the entire economy...

like for instance, the proposal that OP brought up, clearly if implemented this policy will benefit everyone, $200B will be saved which will have positive impact on the entire economy...

one may counter that 1 million people less will get education, which seems like a negative effect, but is that really true? 1 million different people will probably get education instead, or those 1 million may instead choose to finance their education using different means...

so overall likely same number of people will get educated and we will all save $200B..

really? going back to Clinton rates is taxing success? Which is still the lowest tax rate in 50 yrs. Also if the bush tax cuts were so great why didnt he make them permanent ? He had both houses at the time.

tony286 · 09-03-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GregE

Well, you got a point there

Maybe Pell Grants for everything except law school?

All kidding aside, a college degree is the new high school diploma.

Back when the government first mandated grades 1-12 public education, that's all most people needed to make a decent living.

That's clearly not the case anymore and the government would do well for the country as a whole to act accordingly.

Yep, you want to answer phones they want a college degree.

Paul Markham · 09-03-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I agree with you that education shouldn't cost anything, but do we really need more lawyers?

Only certain degrees and courses should be subject to grants.

Highly educated people are the present and future. The kind of people who can put a spaceship on Mars, design a better, faster and smaller computer chip, a more powerful tank, a better way to harness natural energy and the list will go on. You get the picture.

Taking away grants how many students will come from the wealthy and how many a job paying what a scientist earns or one that pays as well as lawyers?

Where will tomorrows teachers, professors, scientists, etc. come from and will the US have enough to compete with those in China?

And the money is being spent on the future and present. It goes to employ the people in the colleges. Just part of the circulation of money. Ryan will take it out and make sure education is reserved for the elite, if you let him. The savings will be lost, because of the lost jobs. Except for the tax cuts for the already well off.

GregE · 09-03-2012, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

supply and demand

The problem with that argument is that lawyers have a tendency to become lawmakers whereupon they pass new laws which ensure an ever increasing demand for the services of their colleagues.

Kinda like dentists handing out free candy bars in the schoolyard.

MaDalton · 09-03-2012, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GregE

The problem with that argument is that lawyers have a tendency to become lawmakers whereupon they pass new laws which ensure an ever increasing demand for the services of their colleagues.

Kinda like dentists handing out free candy bars in the schoolyard.

in that case the real problem is the influence lawyers have in the lawmaking process - which usually is a legislative task by publicly elected representants

Relentless · 09-03-2012, 09:39 AM

What's really awesome, is that while we are trying to kill low priced higher education, we are simultaneously trying to kill trade unions. So, soon, if all goes as planned, teenagers won't be able to afford college and won't be able to apply for positions that include a real apprenticeship program. That way they can live with their parents until they are 30+ and bleed their family for cash. So, the middle class family with kids now gets the highest tax rate, the cost of supporting unemployable offspring and or the cost of 40K per year university bills while their children are enslaved by student debt that can not be discharged via bankruptcy and can not be paid back by underemployed grads for decades.

It's a really awesome system! For what exactly... I'm not quite sure.

baddog · 09-03-2012, 09:42 AM

FYI: There are plenty of quality community colleges that are cheap enough you do not lead a government loan. If higher education is that important, get good grades, get a scholarship. There are lots of scholarships available through the private sector as well.

baddog · 09-03-2012, 09:46 AM

Is my math right?

$200B / 1M = $200,000 per student?

MaDalton · 09-03-2012, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

FYI: There are plenty of quality community colleges that are cheap enough you do not lead a government loan. If higher education is that important, get good grades, get a scholarship. There are lots of scholarships available through the private sector as well.

GregE · 09-03-2012, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

What's really awesome, is that while we are trying to kill low priced higher education, we are simultaneously trying to kill trade unions. So, soon, if all goes as planned, teenagers won't be able to afford college and won't be able to apply for positions that include a real apprenticeship program. That way they can live with their parents until they are 30+ and bleed their family for cash. So, the middle class family with kids now gets the highest tax rate, the cost of supporting unemployable offspring and or the cost of 40K per year university bills while their children are enslaved by student debt that can not be discharged via bankruptcy and can not be paid back by underemployed grads for decades.

It's a really awesome system! For what exactly... I'm not quite sure.

There are those who will tell you that for America to survive in the global economy, wages and living standards here need to be pushed down almost to third world levels.

I'd like to think that even Romney's beliefs aren't that fucked up . . . but sometimes you gotta wonder.

DWB · 09-03-2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

And that's just about as realistic as true communism.

Whatever gets the job done.

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Just stop production of a few bombers and stop giving money to the most profitable and rich corporations the earth has ever known and oh by the way how about everyone pay a fair tax from rich to poor?

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

I think you're just jealous and resentful.

Of what, your awesome God given American freedom?

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

A student loan is NOT a "hand out". It's a hand up! They must be repaid (and they WILL BE - there is no getting outta paying).

We are talking about Grants. Grants do not have to be paid back.

Perhaps if you went to college you would know the difference between a "grant" and a "loan." Just sayin.

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

Jesus FUCKING Christ! This country is fucking doomed. When the people think eliminating access to higher education for the average person is a bad idea that's pretty much the end of the road. Higher education only for the Mitts of the world? "That's life"?

Nothing wrong with the "average person" having their education paid for by the government so long as they have the grades to justify it. But the days of slackers getting a free pass are over. If you don't measure up, sorry about your luck. You should have tried harder.

The rest of the world is whipping America's ass now. That should be enough to tell you that the current educational system isn't working. So drastically change it or keep putting your heads in the sand while you chant, "we're #1!" Doesn't matter to me either way. My kids won't be going to American schools.

DWB · 09-03-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GregE

There are those who will tell you that for America to survive in the global economy, wages and living standards here need to be pushed down almost to third world levels.

The game changed. American must now adapt or die. Just using basic common sense, why would you hire Americans when you could hire Chinese or Indians (or people from many nations) for a fraction of the cost, and there is a good chance they will be better educated?

After the USA finally balances out due to whatever happens in the future, Americans are generally going to have to take serious pay cuts if they want to even have a chance of jobs returning. No way around it. There are more Chinese in college than there are people in the entire American work force. And that's just China. Wrap your head around that. The future of the USA is going to be drastically different than anything any of us know. You can count on that.

tony286 · 09-03-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

FYI: There are plenty of quality community colleges that are cheap enough you do not lead a government loan. If higher education is that important, get good grades, get a scholarship. There are lots of scholarships available through the private sector as well.

In GA an assoc at a state school is about 20k and a bachelors is about 60k. Thats a avg state school not going to GA tech.

tony286 · 09-03-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Whatever gets the job done.

Of what, your awesome God given American freedom?

We are talking about Grants. Grants do not have to be paid back.

Perhaps if you went to college you would know the difference between a "grant" and a "loan." Just sayin.

Nothing wrong with the "average person" having their education paid for by the government so long as they have the grades to justify it. But the days of slackers getting a free pass are over. If you don't measure up, sorry about your luck. You should have tried harder.

The rest of the world is whipping America's ass now. That should be enough to tell you that the current educational system isn't working. So drastically change it or keep putting your heads in the sand while you chant, "we're #1!" Doesn't matter to me either way. My kids won't be going to American schools.

slackers dont get over you dont get the grades you dont graduate. And you have to apply for these things every year.

GregE · 09-03-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

The game changed. American must now adapt or die. Just using basic common sense, why would you hire Americans when you could hire Chinese or Indians (or people from many nations) for a fraction of the cost, and there is a good chance they will be better educated?

After the USA finally balances out due to whatever happens in the future, Americans are generally going to have to take serious pay cuts if they want to even have a chance of jobs returning. No way around it. There are more Chinese in college than there are people in the entire American work force. And that's just China. Wrap your head around that. The future of the USA is going to be drastically different than anything any of us know. You can count on that.

Unless we can generate some leadership that's capable of thinking outside the box you may well be right.

I'm rather inclined to think that such people will eventually emerge however.

When the stakes are high enough, seemingly insoluble problems have a way of getting solved.

And those who solve the unsolvable are featured prominently in the history books . . . including those that have yet to be written.

The game ain't over yet

_Richard_ · 09-03-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

And having the government subsidize it makes costs go up

kinda like building roads makes costs go up, yet that ends up creating revenue via taxes with the businesses that use those roads

so.. investment point still stands?

baddog · 09-03-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

In GA an assoc at a state school is about 20k and a bachelors is about 60k. Thats a avg state school not going to GA tech.

So, why is it costing $200b for 1 million students? That is $200k

Vendzilla · 09-03-2012, 01:28 PM

Daughter is on the post 9/11 bill, serve the country, then have the benefits.

Brujah · 09-03-2012, 01:47 PM

I think America could use a lot more educated people, not a lot less.

Brujah · 09-03-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

So, why is it costing $200b for 1 million students? That is $200k

It's over 10 years.

TheSquealer · 09-03-2012, 02:23 PM

Why the fuck would you want to give free education to people in the US when the educational system and standards AND expectations of students are so far below other developed nations? That's like giving away free weight loss pills at McDonalds

tony286 · 09-03-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

So, why is it costing $200b for 1 million students? That is $200k

If you actually read it , it said ?ultimately knock more than one million students off? the program over the next 10 years.

More than is more than a million.

Brujah · 09-03-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Why the fuck would you want to give free education to people in the US when the educational system and standards AND expectations of students are so far below other developed nations? That's like giving away free weight loss pills at McDonalds

Throw out the baby with the bathwater? Higher education should be free. The U.S. doesn't need its future to be filled with even less educated people. It isn't an either/or answer. We need to improve performance along with making it easier to gain an education.

TheSquealer · 09-03-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Throw out the baby with the bathwater? Higher education should be free. The U.S. doesn't need its future to be filled with even less educated people. It isn't an either/or answer. We need to improve performance along with making it easier to gain an education.

NOTHING is free. Like all other things, someone has to pay for it, while its poorly managed by the government and most others abuse it because its there to abuse.

Higher education is HIGHLY overrated. Our economy is driven by high school and college dropouts... Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Peter Jackson, David Geffen .... etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc. A very large % of the worlds richest people either didn't go, dropped out or didn't graduate college.

We have some of the shittiest education in the world and are the only world economic super power. Our current educational system churns out retards like it was a point of national pride.

Highly unrealistic to attempt to correlate economic and financial success with higher education.

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Ecchi22 · 09-03-2012, 05:16 PM

That's just bullshit. I'm sure USA can save money on other things for sure, not cut education.

slapass · 09-03-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Is my math right?

$200B / 1M = $200,000 per student?

I brought this up earlier. Maybe we should kill it because it is so inefficient.

theking · 09-03-2012, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Highly unrealistic to attempt to correlate economic and financial success with higher education.

Pigshit.

Barry-xlovecam · 09-03-2012, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Only certain degrees and courses should be subject to grants.

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I would go one further limit the grants as Paul said; Say cut the availability two-thirds and triple the annual amount.

If someone wants an education in the life sciences, computer technology, or in the engineering fields that may ultimately benefit society as a whole -- help them to achieve it. On the other hand, if their education is to get a general degree to be employable -- they can take out a loan!

On the surface this may seem unfair but there will be less people with ho-hum college degrees and greater opportunities for those with occupational training (trade schools, apprenticeships) to everyone's benefit.

kane · 09-03-2012, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

I brought this up earlier. Maybe we should kill it because it is so inefficient.

I'm just guessing here, but I would assume that at least some of the money set aside for the Pell Grant goes to administrative costs. If it is like any other government function then it is likely bloated and expensive.

kane · 09-03-2012, 05:53 PM

It looks like the max you can get from Pell Grant is $5,500. I assume that is per year.

One of the problems with it is that any accredited school can allow students to get Pell Grant money. Millions in Pell Grant dollars end up being fed to these crappy diploma mill schools that like University of Phoenix that churn out under-qualified students and have enormous drop out rates. 40% of the students that start at these schools drop out within the first 6 months. The school does't care so long as they get paid.

Maybe they need to cut the Pell Grant money to these shitty schools and focus on giving it to Community Colleges and Universities.

baddog · 09-03-2012, 05:56 PM

If 5.5k is the most you can get there is some huge bloatedness going on. Dump it.

Choker · 09-03-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Why give away my tax money? Let the students take out loans like everyone else.

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EXACTLY, why the fuck should I have to pay for a complete strangers education? Right and left both have overstepped what government should do with it's taxpayers dollars.

kane · 09-03-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

If 5.5k is the most you can get there is some huge bloatedness going on. Dump it.

Assume you can get $5,500 per year and the average student gets this for three years. that is $16,500 per student times 1 million affected students that means of that 200 billion only about 16.5 billion actually end up in students hands. . . either I don't understand how the system works or something is terribly, terribly wrong with the system and I have a feeling that is likely the later.

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kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	It looks like the max you can get from Pell Grant is $5,500. I assume that is per year. One of the problems with it is that any accredited school can allow students to get Pell Grant money. Millions in Pell Grant dollars end up being fed to these crappy diploma mill schools that like University of Phoenix that churn out under-qualified students and have enormous drop out rates. 40% of the students that start at these schools drop out within the first 6 months. The school does't care so long as they get paid. Maybe they need to cut the Pell Grant money to these shitty schools and focus on giving it to Community Colleges and Universities.

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