Mitt Romney voters: Why are you voting for him? - Page 4 - GoFuckYourself.com

SmutHammer · 09-01-2012, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

They do have major tax breaks. They are called loopholes.

And btw, your candidate Romney there.... When has busy taking Massachusetts from 47th in economic growth to dead last, the one good thing he did was... Close the loopholes that big companies use to avoid taxes.

Do you even know your candidate? At all? Your telling us here that "big companies" should have major tax breaks while your candidate was busy doing the direct opposite.... That's the direct opposite of what you said.

I know that after Obama Care, I would vote for ANYBODY, just for the chance of it being revolked!

I believe that Romney is a business man, I believe He will do a better Job, And I don't care what he or anyone else does in their personal life as long as it doesn't effect mine.

Cherry7 · 09-01-2012, 12:59 AM

When the Russian Government put the first man in space the USA did not ask the "private sector" to organize it's space program, it got the state to do it.

If something has to be done and has to be done properly the state is what is used to do it.

If you are ill and poor you would pray to have a state run health service like the UK NHS.

The idea of people working in porn voting for an off the planet mad Mormon who wants to ban porn and masturbation begs the question of who is more crazy, the mad Mormon or the turkeys voting for Christmas .

blazin · 09-01-2012, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I know that after Obama Care, I would vote for ANYBODY, just for the chance of it being revolked!

I believe that Romney is a business man, I believe He will do a better Job, And I don't care what he or anyone else does in their personal life as long as it doesn't effect mine.

I don't understand the logic that a country needs to be run like a business. We've all seen how irresponsible businesses are. They don't give a fuck about people, the environment, nothing.... just turning a profit...

Dvae · 09-01-2012, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by blazin

I don't understand the logic that a country needs to be run like a business. We've all seen how irresponsible businesses are. They don't give a fuck about people, the environment, nothing.... just turning a profit...

Irresponsible? Nobody is more irresponsible then the government.
How long do you think a business could stay in business if they were run like the government? Anyone that ran a business like the government is being run would go to jail.

Rochard · 09-01-2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I know that after Obama Care, I would vote for ANYBODY, just for the chance of it being revolked!

But "Obamacare" is very similar to what Romney put into place in Massachusetts, and very similar to other Rebublican ideas put forth in the past. The only reason that Obamacare is bad is because the Republican party is telling you it's bad; It's the same thing their presidential candidate already passed.

I have a friend of mine who has a beautiful wife and three great kids. The wife and one of the kids have lifelong medical conditions, and they have been unable to change insurance because they have pre-existing conditions. He pays more in healthcare than his mortgage is, and he's been unable to change because of the pre-existing conditions.

Can you please explain to me why Obamacare is bad?

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I believe that Romney is a business man, I believe He will do a better Job, And I don't care what he or anyone else does in their personal life as long as it doesn't effect mine.

Romney is the worst kind of business man. He borrowed money to buy companies, sold off what was profitable, led the rest into bankruptcy, and made a ton of money in "management" fees. He made hundreds of millions of dollars by forcing companies to go under, laying off tens of thousands in the process. And you want to put this man into office?

BlackCrayon · 09-01-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dvae

Irresponsible? Nobody is more irresponsible then the government.
How long do you think a business could stay in business if they were run like the government? Anyone that ran a business like the government is being run would go to jail.

How are you going to fire people who aren't turning a profit for america?

DudeRick · 09-01-2012, 08:46 AM

There is a list of Obama voters in a newspaper called The Slammer at my gas station.

directfiesta · 09-01-2012, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

How are you going to fire people who aren't turning a profit for america?

Well, Willard does think that the USA is a company and even says it :

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Paul Ryan and I understand how the economy works, we understand how Washington works, we will reach across the aisle and find good people who like us, want to make sure this company deals with its challenges. We?ll get America on track again.

adendreams · 09-01-2012, 08:54 AM

Ed you need to stop watching Fox man - you are the classic example of a mark...

You've been had - you fell for it - hook, line, and sinker.

Barry-xlovecam · 09-01-2012, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

When the Russian Government put the first man in space the USA did not ask the "private sector" to organize it's space program, it got the state to do it.

If something has to be done and has to be done properly the state is what is used to do it.

If you are ill and poor you would pray to have a state run health service like the UK NHS.

The idea of people working in porn voting for an off the planet mad Mormon who wants to ban porn and masturbation begs the question of who is more crazy, the mad Mormon or the turkeys voting for Christmas .

QFT 1+

Sunny Day · 09-01-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

That guy ROMNEY looks like the classic Hollywood Movie's PRESIDENT...

I mean he looks like the classic ACTOR that portrays a president.

I'm sure many are voting because he looks like a Hollywood Movie President..

Right?

Probably, sadly, says it all. Supposedly Coolidge, got elecetd as he looked presidential. gave us the Teapot Dome Scandal.

If Mitt is a true Mormon, we're fucked. Bring it on. You vote for these idiots, you deserve what you get. Nixon! Nixon! Nixon!

baddog · 09-01-2012, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

And neither of them will....this whole scam has been going on for thousands of years

So they are exactly the same? Your trolling skills, if you ever had them, are very weak.

baddog · 09-01-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

They do have major tax breaks. They are called loopholes.

And btw, your candidate Romney there.... When has busy taking Massachusetts from 47th in economic growth to dead last, the one good thing he did was... Close the loopholes that big companies use to avoid taxes.

Do you even know your candidate? At all? Your telling us here that "big companies" should have major tax breaks while your candidate was busy doing the direct opposite.... That's the direct opposite of what you said.

You make so many stupid, incorrect comments there are times I think you live in another country. Stop believing everything you see on MSNBC or whatever bullshit media source you are relying on for your information.

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A new ad from the Obama campaign takes aim at Mitt Romney?s performance as governor of Massachusetts, claiming he had ?one of the worst economic records in the country.? But the ad overreaches with several of its claims.

The ad states that job creation in Massachusetts ?fell? to 47th under Romney. That?s a bit misleading. Massachusetts? state ranking for job growth went from 50th the year before he took office, to 28th in his final year. It was 47th for the whole of his four-year tenure, but it was improving, not declining, when he left.

The ad?s claim that Romney ?cut taxes for millionaires? isn?t as black-and-white as billed. Romney opposed a plan to impose a capital gains tax retroactively, insisting on delaying the hike eight months. That?s different than pushing for a tax cut.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/oba...onomic-record/

Here is some reality to chew on (and just so you know, I am not a Romney fan)

1. He was a success in the private sector. When he was in charge of a company his duty was to the company and its stockholders. He did what he was charged with doing.

2. When he was governor of Mass, he was a successful governor. He balanced the budget, and got Democrats and Republicans to work together. He did what he was charged with doing.

3. When he took over running the Winter Olympics, he took it from debt and corruption to turning a $100 million profit. He did what he was charged with doing.

SmutHammer · 09-01-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

Ed you need to stop watching Fox man - you are the classic example of a mark...

You've been had - you fell for it - hook, line, and sinker.

My info is not from the news, Unlike most people on here, It is first hand.

tony286 · 09-01-2012, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You make so many stupid, incorrect comments there are times I think you live in another country. Stop believing everything you see on MSNBC or whatever bullshit media source you are relying on for your information.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/oba...onomic-record/

Here is some reality to chew on (and just so you know, I am not a Romney fan)

1. He was a success in the private sector. When he was in charge of a company his duty was to the company and its stockholders. He did what he was charged with doing.

2. When he was governor of Mass, he was a successful governor. He balanced the budget, and got Democrats and Republicans to work together. He did what he was charged with doing.

3. When he took over running the Winter Olympics, he took it from debt and corruption to turning a $100 million profit. He did what he was charged with doing.

He got fed money to save the olympics. Your money to do it.

baddog · 09-01-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

He got fed money to save the olympics. Your money to do it.

What money was he fed?

Bryan G · 09-01-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

My info is not from the news, Unlike most people on here, It is first hand.

First hand?? Lol care to elaborate?

SmutHammer · 09-01-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

First hand?? Lol care to elaborate?

Anyone following the main things I have said should be able to figure it out, But no, No I wouldn't care to elaborate... Just as I don't care about what Romney or Obama do in their personal lifes, My personal life outside of adult doesn't need to be thrown out here.

kane · 09-01-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Who cares about who they are as a person, their personal life is their business, All that matters is who will do a better job running this country.

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you, but not in this one. If I were hiring someone to be my accountant all I would care about is if they are a good accountant. I could care less what they do outside the office. However, if you are talking about the President of the United States now we are talking about someone who will be in a position to affect my personal life. Political parties focus on social issues as much as anything else and those social issues can affect our personal lives. In that case I think it is fair to know about their personal lives so we can get an idea of what they believe and how they may choose influence the country.

tony286 · 09-01-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

What money was he fed?

He got money from washington , the federal goverment for the olympics.

SmutHammer · 09-01-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you, but not in this one. If I were hiring someone to be my accountant all I would care about is if they are a good accountant. I could care less what they do outside the office. However, if you are talking about the President of the United States now we are talking about someone who will be in a position to affect my personal life. Political parties focus on social issues as much as anything else and those social issues can affect our personal lives. In that case I think it is fair to know about their personal lives so we can get an idea of what they believe and how they may choose influence the country.

Good point... to a point...

baddog · 09-01-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

He got money from washington , the federal goverment for the olympics.

What money did he get? You mean money that was spent to improve the highways so they could handle the traffic? Or the buildings that housed athletes and the stadiums for the events itself? That money? The money that was received whether he took over or not?

And I do not think anyone can argue that Mitt Romney, as a person, is probably a very nice, honest, decent caring man.

Sunny Day · 09-01-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

I'm voting for Mitt cuz the rich don't have enough, and I want to pay higher taxes so he and his friends can eke out a living.

I also hate libraries, state parks, art, clean air, middle class jobs, education, reproductive rights, and marriage equality.

The middle class is uppity, and I'm tired of it.

So true, maybe we can all be rich

arock10 · 09-01-2012, 01:41 PM

Bryan G · 09-01-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

What money did he get? You mean money that was spent to improve the highways so they could handle the traffic? Or the buildings that housed athletes and the stadiums for the events itself? That money? The money that was received whether he took over or not?

And I do not think anyone can argue that Mitt Romney, as a person, is probably a very nice, honest, decent caring man.

You've met him?

Rochard · 09-01-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You make so many stupid, incorrect comments there are times I think you live in another country. Stop believing everything you see on MSNBC or whatever bullshit media source you are relying on for your information.

I can honestly say I've never read a website from MSNBC or TV show. Well, to the best of my knowledge anyhow.

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Originally Posted by baddog

1. He was a success in the private sector. When he was in charge of a company his duty was to the company and its stockholders. He did what he was charged with doing.

He was a massive success. How many companies did he steer into bankruptcy while making hundreds of millions? How about Ampad? Romney's company made one hundred million dollars for managing it right into bankruptcy. That's exactly who I want in the oval office. How many companies did Romney push into Bankruptcy? How many tens of thousands of people lost jobs due to Romney? Oh, but it's okay because "that was his job".

Bain Captial's success rate is about 50/50. However, they make money either way because they are paid the entire time to "manage" the success - or failure. It's exactly what they banks did - The banks made money no matter of people paid their loan or not.

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Originally Posted by baddog

2. When he was governor of Mass, he was a successful governor. He balanced the budget, and got Democrats and Republicans to work together. He did what he was charged with doing.

Yep, he was great governor. He left office with a 39% approval rating, and was rated dead last of all governors that term. Outstanding job.

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Originally Posted by baddog

3. When he took over running the Winter Olympics, he took it from debt and corruption to turning a $100 million profit. He did what he was charged with doing.

I can honestly say I know nothing about him running the Olympics. And I could care less.

Robbie · 09-01-2012, 01:58 PM

Rochard, correct me if I'm wrong...but wasn't EVERY company that Bain acquired already in a lot of trouble and on the verge of bankruptcy?
That's what Bain does. They are contacted by companies who are on the verge of going belly up, they buy them, try to fix them and sell them.

If the company just isn't going to make it no matter what (which means consumers are not buying their product), then Bain tries to make as much money off of the company as it can.

Doesn't sound "bad" to me. Sounds like smart business.

I'd like to see those same principles applied to govt.

Our society sometimes seems turned upside down.

What has always been sound financial principles are suddenly thought to be "bad".

baddog · 09-01-2012, 02:00 PM

Don't let facts get in the way.

SmutHammer · 09-01-2012, 02:00 PM

From - politifact.com

" ‘Obamacare’ puts the federal government between you and your doctor." They claim this is False

I was reading through their site until I came across this, Now I know I can't believe anything they put. I have first hand experiance that this is TRUE!

12clicks · 09-01-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Rochard, correct me if I'm wrong...but wasn't EVERY company that Bain acquired already in a lot of trouble and on the verge of bankruptcy?
That's what Bain does. They are contacted by companies who are on the verge of going belly up, they buy them, try to fix them and sell them.

If the company just isn't going to make it no matter what (which means consumers are not buying their product), then Bain tries to make as much money off of the company as it can.

Doesn't sound "bad" to me. Sounds like smart business.

I'd like to see those same principles applied to govt.

Our society sometimes seems turned upside down.

What has always been sound financial principles are suddenly thought to be "bad".

Don't confuse the rabble with facts

DudeRick · 09-01-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard
He was a massive success. How many companies did he steer into bankruptcy while making hundreds of millions? How about Ampad? Romney's company made one hundred million dollars for managing it right into bankruptcy. That's exactly who I want in the oval office. How many companies did Romney push into Bankruptcy? How many tens of thousands of people lost jobs due to Romney? Oh, but it's okay because "that was his job".

So explain why when Romney did this it was "evil vulture capitalism" but when Obama did the exact same thing with the GM bankruptcy and ordered all of those dealerships closed and jobs to be lost you call it a great success?!?

Robbie · 09-01-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

Don't confuse the rabble with facts

I don't personally know rochard to call him "rabble".

I think we are all living in a world where the media keeps things in a state of confusion. Whatever will get them ratings is what they "report".

And it makes understanding what is really going on hard to do.

I watched MSNBC and it's just a complete joke. The "reporters" sat there during the Republican convention and never "reported" anything. Chris Matthews (who USED to actually be pretty good on "HardBall") just sat there smirking and saying that everything that any Republican said was a lie.
And conversely...everything that Democrats say is good and pure!

I think anybody with intelligence knows that the truth is really in the middle. But MSNBC is just a total propaganda-fest.

They make no bones about who they want to win and they go out of their way to try and make it happen.

Hell, I never thought I'd say this...because CNN has always had a liberal slant (and still does). But CNN had the most fair coverage of any news during the Republican Convention.

I would switch to Fox and they would be drooling and grinning from ear to ear about every word that every Republican said.
Then over to MSNBC and they were doing the extreme opposite.

CNN seemed to be the only ones covering it and actually letting the speeches play and then making what sounded to be a fairly unbiased analysis (except for the guests who were identified as being biased like James Carville for instance)

2MuchMark · 09-01-2012, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Stop believing everything you see on MSNBC or whatever bullshit media source you are relying on for your information.

I have a question for you. Can you point out anything that MSNBC has said about Mitt Romney, Bush, Boener, etc, that has been wrong? Of course they may have made a mistake as far as I have scene any time they ever got anything wrong, they apologized and corrected it right away. Fox news on the other hand, doesn't seem to give a fuck.

So anyway, what has MSNBC got wrong about ol' Mitt?

arock10 · 09-01-2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Rochard, correct me if I'm wrong...but wasn't EVERY company that Bain acquired already in a lot of trouble and on the verge of bankruptcy?
That's what Bain does. They are contacted by companies who are on the verge of going belly up, they buy them, try to fix them and sell them.

If the company just isn't going to make it no matter what (which means consumers are not buying their product), then Bain tries to make as much money off of the company as it can.

Doesn't sound "bad" to me. Sounds like smart business.

I'd like to see those same principles applied to govt.

Our society sometimes seems turned upside down.

What has always been sound financial principles are suddenly thought to be "bad".

No they don't just buy companies on the verge of bankruptcy.

The firm was founded in 1984 by partners from the consulting firm Bain & Company. Since inception it has invested in or acquired hundreds of companies including AMC Entertainment, Aspen Education Group, Brookstone, Burger King, Burlington Coat Factory, Clear Channel Communications, Domino's Pizza, DoubleClick, Dunkin' Donuts, D&M Holdings, Guitar Center, Hospital Corporation of America (HCA), Sealy, The Sports Authority, Staples, Toys "R" Us, Warner Music Group and The Weather Channel.

2MuchMark · 09-01-2012, 08:58 PM

Rochard · 09-01-2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Rochard, correct me if I'm wrong...but wasn't EVERY company that Bain acquired already in a lot of trouble and on the verge of bankruptcy?
That's what Bain does. They are contacted by companies who are on the verge of going belly up, they buy them, try to fix them and sell them.

If the company just isn't going to make it no matter what (which means consumers are not buying their product), then Bain tries to make as much money off of the company as it can.

Doesn't sound "bad" to me. Sounds like smart business.

I'd like to see those same principles applied to govt.

Our society sometimes seems turned upside down.

What has always been sound financial principles are suddenly thought to be "bad".

Yes, this is their business model. They buy companies on the verge of bankruptcy, so truthfully one can imagine this is a high risk business model.

The problem is that Bain makes money no matter what. In other words, if I was to buy a business I would work 24/7 and if required not take a paycheck in order to ensure profitability. Instead Bain takes a "management fee". Why not - They own the business, and this ensures they'll make money no matter what. Instead of trying to save the company, they suck all of the money out of it and then allow it to go into bankruptcy.

You want to see these principles applied to government? Let's say the government takes all of our tax dollars and buys all of the hospitals in the US. The elected officials get paid no matter what. After a year of running the hospitals, most of them have closed because the elected officials did little more than increase their own personal salaries and net worth. The tax payers lost all of their tax dollars the Federal government shuts down because it has no money, and all of the hospitals shut down because of a lack of funds. The only people that came ahead was the elected officials who made money no what happened.

Bryan G · 09-02-2012, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Anyone following the main things I have said should be able to figure it out, But no, No I wouldn't care to elaborate... Just as I don't care about what Romney or Obama do in their personal lifes, My personal life outside of adult doesn't need to be thrown out here.

Lmao!!! "Stand back we got a badass over here" STFU you've clearly made yourself out to be a clueless twit that knows fuck all. Please don't send the navy seals after me since you have first hand knowledge of what really goes on.

GrantMercury · 09-02-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I never had health insurance until I was 41 years old. I didn't need it. Neither did my 2 brothers. My youngest brother is 42 and he still has never had health insurance.

My mom is 67 and she doesn't have it. My dad is 72 and he doesn't have it. They pay their doctor themselves.

Got a big bank account somewhere in case the big "C" pops up? It better be reaaaaalllllyy big. Nobody needs health insurance - until they do.

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Doctors are excited about the prospect of Avastin, a drug already widely used for colon cancer, and as a crucial new treatment for breast and lung cancer too. But doctors are cringing at the price the manufacturer, Genentech, plans to charge for it: about $100,000 a year.

http://www.winningcancer.com/txt/cos...er-treatments/

That's just for 1 drug. For 1 year.

I admire you hearty "bootstrap" types. Always ready for anything.

Mutt · 09-02-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Rochard, correct me if I'm wrong...but wasn't EVERY company that Bain acquired already in a lot of trouble and on the verge of bankruptcy?
That's what Bain does. They are contacted by companies who are on the verge of going belly up, they buy them, try to fix them and sell them.

If the company just isn't going to make it no matter what (which means consumers are not buying their product), then Bain tries to make as much money off of the company as it can.

Doesn't sound "bad" to me. Sounds like smart business.

I'd like to see those same principles applied to govt.

Our society sometimes seems turned upside down.

What has always been sound financial principles are suddenly thought to be "bad".

Read this article, don't skim it. It's smart business if you're a bankster. As anti-American as they come. The conclusion of the article is brilliant and spot on.

You don't have to be anti-business, anti-Republican to hate what Bain does - what it does is anti-American. it's not the way the country was built but it sure is the way the country will be destroyed.

I know what the simple minded self employed dreamers who live under the delusion that they are somehow similar to Mitt Romney and his kind will say - 'did nothing illegal, it's good business, he makes a profit for himself and his investors' - it should be illegal, as should other scams the banksters run.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...pital-20120829

BlackCrayon · 09-02-2012, 10:18 AM

you're all wasting time and you're all wrong. you'll never convince people of what you want to convince them so why even bother? people will justify whoever they've already decided (long ago) to vote for no matter what.

Dvae · 09-02-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

Got a big bank account somewhere in case the big "C" pops up? It better be reaaaaalllllyy big. Nobody needs health insurance - until they do.

http://www.winningcancer.com/txt/cos...er-treatments/

That's just for 1 drug. For 1 year.

I admire you hearty "bootstrap" types. Always ready for anything.

The fact that you think Obamacare would allow $100,000 for one drug to keep them alive for what maybe 6 mos. or a year is unbelievable. Did you even look at the side effects for the drug?

It looks almost like the cure is worse than the disease.
I especially like this one:
Gastrointestinal (GI) perforation. A hole that develops in your stomach or intestine. Symptoms include pain in the abdomen, nausea, vomiting, constipation, or fever

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What Does Avastin Treat?

Avastin is approved for:

Metastatic colorectal cancer (mCRC) when started with the first or second intravenous 5-FU–based chemotherapy for metastatic cancer
Possible Serious Side Effects

Everyone reacts differently to Avastin therapy. So it’s important to know what the side effects are. Although some people may have a life-threatening side effect, most do not.

Your doctor will stop treatment if any serious side effects occur. Be sure to contact your health care team if you have symptoms related to these side effects.

The most serious side effects (not common, but sometimes fatal):

Gastrointestinal (GI) perforation. A hole that develops in your stomach or intestine. Symptoms include pain in the abdomen, nausea, vomiting, constipation, or fever
Wounds that don’t heal. A cut made during surgery can be slow to heal or may not fully heal. Avastin should not be used for at least 28 days before or after surgery and until surgical wounds are fully healed
Serious bleeding. This includes vomiting or coughing up blood; bleeding in the stomach, brain, or spinal cord; and vaginal bleeding. If you recently coughed up blood or had serious bleeding, do not take Avastin
Other possible serious side effects:

Abnormal passage in the body. This forms from one part of the body to another and can sometimes be fatal
Stroke or heart problems. These include blood clots, mini-stroke, heart attack, and chest pain. These can sometimes be fatal
Severe high blood pressure. Blood pressure that severely spikes or shows signs of affecting the brain. Blood pressure should be monitored every 2 to 3 weeks while on Avastin and after stopping treatment
Nervous system and vision problems. Symptoms include high blood pressure, headache, seizure, sluggishness, confusion, and blindness
Kidney problems. These may be caused by too much protein in the urine and can sometimes be fatal
Infusion reactions. These may include difficulty breathing, chest pain, and excessive sweating. Your doctor or nurse will monitor you for signs of infusion reactions
Fertility issues for women. Avastin could cause a woman’s ovaries to stop working and may impair her ability to have children
Additional Safety Information

The most common side effects of Avastin are:

Nosebleeds
Headache
High blood pressure
Inflammation of the nose
Too much protein in the urine
Taste change
Dry skin
Rectal bleeding
Tear production disorder
Back pain
Inflammation of the skin
Avastin is not right for everyone. Talk to your doctor if you:

Are pregnant, may be pregnant, or are breast-feeding. Avastin may harm the fetus or a child that is nursing. If you stop Avastin, you should keep using birth control for at least 6 months after your last dose before trying to become pregnant
Are undergoing surgery. Don’t take Avastin for at least 28 days before or after surgery and until surgical wounds are fully healed
If you have any questions about your condition or treatment, talk to your doctor.

tony286 · 09-02-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

From - politifact.com

" ?Obamacare? puts the federal government between you and your doctor." They claim this is False

I was reading through their site until I came across this, Now I know I can't believe anything they put. I have first hand experiance that this is TRUE!

It doesnt and right now its your insurance company is between you and your doctor. They decide what treats and drugs are ok and which ones arent?

tony286 · 09-02-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dvae

The fact that you think Obamacare would allow $100,000 for one drug to keep them alive for what maybe 6 mos. or a year is unbelievable. Did you even look at the side effects for the drug?

It looks almost like the cure is worse than the disease.
I especially like this one:
Gastrointestinal (GI) perforation. A hole that develops in your stomach or intestine. Symptoms include pain in the abdomen, nausea, vomiting, constipation, or fever

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What Does Avastin Treat?

Avastin is approved for:

Metastatic colorectal cancer (mCRC) when started with the first or second intravenous 5-FU?based chemotherapy for metastatic cancer
Possible Serious Side Effects

Everyone reacts differently to Avastin therapy. So it?s important to know what the side effects are. Although some people may have a life-threatening side effect, most do not.

Your doctor will stop treatment if any serious side effects occur. Be sure to contact your health care team if you have symptoms related to these side effects.

The most serious side effects (not common, but sometimes fatal):

Gastrointestinal (GI) perforation. A hole that develops in your stomach or intestine. Symptoms include pain in the abdomen, nausea, vomiting, constipation, or fever
Wounds that don?t heal. A cut made during surgery can be slow to heal or may not fully heal. Avastin should not be used for at least 28 days before or after surgery and until surgical wounds are fully healed
Serious bleeding. This includes vomiting or coughing up blood; bleeding in the stomach, brain, or spinal cord; and vaginal bleeding. If you recently coughed up blood or had serious bleeding, do not take Avastin
Other possible serious side effects:

Abnormal passage in the body. This forms from one part of the body to another and can sometimes be fatal
Stroke or heart problems. These include blood clots, mini-stroke, heart attack, and chest pain. These can sometimes be fatal
Severe high blood pressure. Blood pressure that severely spikes or shows signs of affecting the brain. Blood pressure should be monitored every 2 to 3 weeks while on Avastin and after stopping treatment
Nervous system and vision problems. Symptoms include high blood pressure, headache, seizure, sluggishness, confusion, and blindness
Kidney problems. These may be caused by too much protein in the urine and can sometimes be fatal
Infusion reactions. These may include difficulty breathing, chest pain, and excessive sweating. Your doctor or nurse will monitor you for signs of infusion reactions
Fertility issues for women. Avastin could cause a woman?s ovaries to stop working and may impair her ability to have children
Additional Safety Information

The most common side effects of Avastin are:

Nosebleeds
Headache
High blood pressure
Inflammation of the nose
Too much protein in the urine
Taste change
Dry skin
Rectal bleeding
Tear production disorder
Back pain
Inflammation of the skin
Avastin is not right for everyone. Talk to your doctor if you:

Are pregnant, may be pregnant, or are breast-feeding. Avastin may harm the fetus or a child that is nursing. If you stop Avastin, you should keep using birth control for at least 6 months after your last dose before trying to become pregnant
Are undergoing surgery. Don?t take Avastin for at least 28 days before or after surgery and until surgical wounds are fully healed
If you have any questions about your condition or treatment, talk to your doctor.

obamacare does nothing its all insurance companies.

tony286 · 09-02-2012, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't personally know rochard to call him "rabble".

I think we are all living in a world where the media keeps things in a state of confusion. Whatever will get them ratings is what they "report".

And it makes understanding what is really going on hard to do.

I watched MSNBC and it's just a complete joke. The "reporters" sat there during the Republican convention and never "reported" anything. Chris Matthews (who USED to actually be pretty good on "HardBall") just sat there smirking and saying that everything that any Republican said was a lie.
And conversely...everything that Democrats say is good and pure!

I think anybody with intelligence knows that the truth is really in the middle. But MSNBC is just a total propaganda-fest.

They make no bones about who they want to win and they go out of their way to try and make it happen.

Hell, I never thought I'd say this...because CNN has always had a liberal slant (and still does). But CNN had the most fair coverage of any news during the Republican Convention.

I would switch to Fox and they would be drooling and grinning from ear to ear about every word that every Republican said.
Then over to MSNBC and they were doing the extreme opposite.

CNN seemed to be the only ones covering it and actually letting the speeches play and then making what sounded to be a fairly unbiased analysis (except for the guests who were identified as being biased like James Carville for instance)

Rochard the rabble actually served his country and fought in a war.

theking · 09-02-2012, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286

Rochard the rabble actually served his country and fought in a war.

He served his country but I do not think he engaged in combat...he will correct me if I am wrong.

Mutt · 09-02-2012, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arock10

arock10 · 09-02-2012, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dvae

The fact that you think Obamacare would allow $100,000 for one drug to keep them alive for what maybe 6 mos. or a year is unbelievable. Did you even look at the side effects for the drug?

It looks almost like the cure is worse than the disease.
I especially like this one:
Gastrointestinal (GI) perforation. A hole that develops in your stomach or intestine. Symptoms include pain in the abdomen, nausea, vomiting, constipation, or fever

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What Does Avastin Treat?

Avastin is approved for:

Metastatic colorectal cancer (mCRC) when started with the first or second intravenous 5-FU?based chemotherapy for metastatic cancer
Possible Serious Side Effects

Everyone reacts differently to Avastin therapy. So it?s important to know what the side effects are. Although some people may have a life-threatening side effect, most do not.

Your doctor will stop treatment if any serious side effects occur. Be sure to contact your health care team if you have symptoms related to these side effects.

The most serious side effects (not common, but sometimes fatal):

Gastrointestinal (GI) perforation. A hole that develops in your stomach or intestine. Symptoms include pain in the abdomen, nausea, vomiting, constipation, or fever
Wounds that don?t heal. A cut made during surgery can be slow to heal or may not fully heal. Avastin should not be used for at least 28 days before or after surgery and until surgical wounds are fully healed
Serious bleeding. This includes vomiting or coughing up blood; bleeding in the stomach, brain, or spinal cord; and vaginal bleeding. If you recently coughed up blood or had serious bleeding, do not take Avastin
Other possible serious side effects:

Abnormal passage in the body. This forms from one part of the body to another and can sometimes be fatal
Stroke or heart problems. These include blood clots, mini-stroke, heart attack, and chest pain. These can sometimes be fatal
Severe high blood pressure. Blood pressure that severely spikes or shows signs of affecting the brain. Blood pressure should be monitored every 2 to 3 weeks while on Avastin and after stopping treatment
Nervous system and vision problems. Symptoms include high blood pressure, headache, seizure, sluggishness, confusion, and blindness
Kidney problems. These may be caused by too much protein in the urine and can sometimes be fatal
Infusion reactions. These may include difficulty breathing, chest pain, and excessive sweating. Your doctor or nurse will monitor you for signs of infusion reactions
Fertility issues for women. Avastin could cause a woman?s ovaries to stop working and may impair her ability to have children
Additional Safety Information

The most common side effects of Avastin are:

Nosebleeds
Headache
High blood pressure
Inflammation of the nose
Too much protein in the urine
Taste change
Dry skin
Rectal bleeding
Tear production disorder
Back pain
Inflammation of the skin
Avastin is not right for everyone. Talk to your doctor if you:

Are pregnant, may be pregnant, or are breast-feeding. Avastin may harm the fetus or a child that is nursing. If you stop Avastin, you should keep using birth control for at least 6 months after your last dose before trying to become pregnant
Are undergoing surgery. Don?t take Avastin for at least 28 days before or after surgery and until surgical wounds are fully healed
If you have any questions about your condition or treatment, talk to your doctor.

As someone said to another post, its insurance that deals with this. The health care law is going to benefit a lot of people that are just too dumb to not buy insurance

myjah · 09-02-2012, 12:21 PM

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GrantMercury · 09-02-2012, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dvae

The fact that you think Obamacare would allow $100,000 for one drug to keep them alive for what maybe 6 mos. or a year is unbelievable. Did you even look at the side effects for the drug?

Did you really not get my point? I was never promoting a drug. I was referring to the massive cost of treating a deadly disease - far too massive for the "bootstrap" types who think they don't need insurance because they're "responsible" and are careful with their money so they can pay their doctors out of pocket. Gimme a fucking break.

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