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Old 08-28-2012, 04:29 PM   #101
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Old 08-28-2012, 04:32 PM   #102
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Ok that made me laugh.... nice find



And now, back to serious Mittens lying bullshit

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Old 08-28-2012, 04:36 PM   #103
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pretty sure he doesn't, loser
Had no idea you had $4.2 million in personal income in 2007 and will be getting paid $100k for every appearance for years to come after you leave your current position. Then of course there is the obligatory post-Presidency memoir. If Bush was able to sell Decision Points Obama should be able to sell more copies even if it's written in crayon.

You're also not the most powerful man in the world, but Obama is. Let me know when they give you get the codes to blow up the world.
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You mean Obama's lying bullshit don't you?

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Old 08-28-2012, 04:51 PM   #105
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yep .. strange .... Pornmasters brought it up .... as Obama apol;ogizes and BOW, but Bush didn't ... can't handle the truth ... ????
Where did you see me say anything about Bush? Please quote!
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Old 08-28-2012, 05:06 PM   #106
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It's kind of scary that you do not know what a filibuster is and how the minority party can use it their advantage. Pretty sure I knew what a filibuster was by middle school.

I guess now I know why your vote goes where it does.

Edit: and because you need it explained to you. The Senate is working against him using filibusters and the House is working against him because they control it. That is why you see mention of just the Senate as well as Congress when you throw in the House. Got it?
Nevertheless Harry Reid is in charge, if he can't get the required 60 votes then thats a failure on his part. It wasn't but a few years ago that we had Democrats doing the same exact thing. Now that the shoe is on the other foot Reid wants a rule change.
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Old 08-28-2012, 05:15 PM   #108
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or perhaps he believes like I do that you should get a fucking job and pay your own way in this world. The idea of taxes is for all of us to contribute to a better society, not for the best of us to be drained by the least of us who refuse to go out and earn their own living.
well said. Its funny how some people do nothing and get rewarded for that (welfare) and othe people work and get punished for that (taxes which goes to the first kind)
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Old 08-28-2012, 07:22 PM   #110
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get educated ... check post 107 ...
NOPE retard.

If you bow to show power, or get a necklace put on.. 2 Different things!

Not even going to go into the rest, but thanks for playing. Welcome to ignore!
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Where did you see me say anything about Bush? Please quote!
you can't read ????

No wonder your country is going down the shit tube
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Nevertheless Harry Reid is in charge, if he can't get the required 60 votes then thats a failure on his part. It wasn't but a few years ago that we had Democrats doing the same exact thing. Now that the shoe is on the other foot Reid wants a rule change.
Democrats did NOT use the filibuster the way the Republicans have been using it under Obama. Didn't happen.
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To all the single brain celled humans posting in this thread:

All politicians are lying scammers. Quit falling into the scam of debating which party of sociopath is better- they're ALL FRAUDS
Not true. Some are better than others. Some are actually pretty good (but not too many).

So you vote for the best option, and then GET ACTIVE. If you just beat off while the lobbyists ransack the place - the problem is you.

America has gone through big changes over the decades - many of them very positive. Why? Because people said "what the fuck is going on?!?!?" and got active. We have the power to change things, but sadly, too many people just say "they're all the same" and beat off.

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That guy ROMNEY looks like the classic Hollywood Movie's PRESIDENT...

I mean he looks like the classic ACTOR that portrays a president.

I'm sure many are voting because he looks like a Hollywood Movie President..

Right?

I think you have a point there.
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Old 08-28-2012, 09:29 PM   #116
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Strange... I didn't know Bush was running!
He isn't. He's the shithead who made the huge mess that Republicans are mad Obama isn't cleaning up fast enough.

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Democrats did NOT use the filibuster the way the Republicans have been using it under Obama. Didn't happen.
So you're saying that Bush was much better at getting Democrats to go along with what he wanted to do. And Obama doesn't have the leadershp skills that other presidents like Clinton and Reagan had to work with the other side and move the agenda forward.

Maybe it wasn't such a great idea to let Reid and Pelosi lock the Republicans out of the entire health insurance bill and push it through without any consultation or reaching out at all.

Think maybe, just maybe that really pissed off the Republicans (who represent 50% of this country)?
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Republicans don't represent 50% of the US. Rural areas are vastly over represented in the senate
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He isn't. He's the shithead who made the huge mess that Republicans are mad Obama isn't cleaning up fast enough.

You are awesome. For ANY floaters out there, please vote Obama.... You have no idea how many lives you will save because people, the VERY PEOPLE that need health insurance can't get it. If you had a family member with a terminal illness or one that COULD be treated (with insurance) .... I don't think you would be so quick to write Obama off.

Romney pretty much thinks our lives are expendable. I beg to differ. Once my insurance reached 2370, I had to lose it, I didn't have a choice... Obama is the only thing giving me hope right now and not just for me, for all of the working/middle class that are screwed.
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Actually Romney doesn't believe they are expendable. Just the current Romney does. Got to love politics
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Democrats did NOT use the filibuster the way the Republicans have been using it under Obama. Didn't happen.
You are absolutely delusional. They used it at every opportunity.
Not only that if you go back a few years they fillibustered the Civil Rights Bill of 1964. What a badge of honor!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012...il-rights-act/


US News not exactly a right-wing publication:
Democrats Have Only Themselves to Blame for Filibuster Problems
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you can't read ????

No wonder your country is going down the shit tube
Response fail... Try again!
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because unlike the current liberal in the white house, Romney isn't vilifying success and doesn't plan to single out the successful for future tax increases.
He also chose a VP that was a signal that they plan to attack the deficit and the bloated government.
4 years of having a loser like obama point towards his betters and tell them they don't pay their fair share when we've paid vastly more than he has is about all we need.
the rabble will feel differently.
they are all talk and no action. the image sperbonzo posted is correct. i think it needs to be posted again.

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I didn't say I only get my poltical news from msnbc. I only asked if MSNBC is lying. Since I'm in Canada I also watch CTV and CBC. I also get the BBC, and of course, CNN, FOX, ABC etc.



That is my point. It seems from my point of view, that everything republicans say is a lie. My question in this thread might be "is this true?".

Answer me this : Obama made a speech about how business owners built their businesses, but also rely on roads, power, Internet etc, to grow their businesses. This was edited down to "You didn't build that" by the republicans who didn't just quote Obama out of context, but have it on signs, Tshirts and now even songs. Sorry, but Romney FUCKING LIED about this and it is CLEAR AS DAY. If he lied about this, (and Fox news backs up this lie all the time), how is anyone expected to trust him to run an entire country? And what else has he lied about? (Tax returns? Hello?)



If I have no clue, then neither do you. You and I get our news from the same sources but we (and Dems vs tops) seem to see and hear completely different things. If this is true, then who is right? And how can we find out who's right? And more importantly, how do you convince people who are wrong, that they are wrong?




Why do you compliment me and then insult me in the same post? I am only trying to raise a question and discussion here. I didn't call you or anyone else names. I am simply asking why people would vote for Romney. I, as a person outside of the US looking in, want to know because all of the news sources who say he is a liar, seem to have lots of sources to back up their positions. That is all.
Like I pointed out in my original post on this thread, and Black Crayon just reposted, both sides are totally bullshit. Personally, I didn't see a "lie" in what they made of obama's statement. If you put it back into context, he is still saying the same thing. He ignores the fact that the orignal infrastructure was build privately, not by government. In fact, all phone and power systems are STILL private.

Having said that, both sides lie. All the time. Here is a place for you.

http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

As far as tax records, There are tons of things that Obama has not released, (and the news never investigated), about his past, and has had sealed. Why? He doesn't want us to know about them. Same as Romney. They are all the same.

P.S. I ddin't call you names.... I very rarely ever do that. I was making a strong point, but I had no intentions of insulting you. Sorry if you took it that way.

When PR Tom posted that "facts are facts, and the bullshit spin doesn't cover them up", I found that to be a VERY naive statement. You can put facts into a story, but then leave our other facts that are relevent, and although the story will be technically "true", it will not be "the truth"

Here is a very very simplistic Example. "Some people were surprised this morning when a driver that was speeding at 80 mph through heavy morning traffic was released with a warning. It turns out it was a city councilman."

Sounds like a shady deal with a politicion getting off light while indulging in very dangerous behavior right?

On the other hand, if you are told that the posted speed was 75 mph, and that all the other cars were also going 80... and that other cars were pulled over and given a warning (since less than 10 mph over the speed limit is usually not ticketed). then ;the story becomes no big deal.

It is the careful selection or ommision of facts that can keep a story technically true, while making the actual understanding of the reader completely incorrect.



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Had no idea you had $4.2 million in personal income in 2007 and will be getting paid $100k for every appearance for years to come after you leave your current position. Then of course there is the obligatory post-Presidency memoir. If Bush was able to sell Decision Points Obama should be able to sell more copies even if it's written in crayon.
I'm sorry, shit stain. I'm talking past and present. If it makes you feel better to talk about 2 peoples' incomes, both who make vastly more than you do, continue.
however, here's a link to 6 years of his income.
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_b...-releases.html
not very impressive and certainly not in my league.
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they are all talk and no action. the image sperbonzo posted is correct. i think it needs to be posted again.
no, actually it doesn't as it has zero bearing on my comment.
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You are awesome. For ANY floaters out there, please vote Obama.... You have no idea how many lives you will save because people, the VERY PEOPLE that need health insurance can't get it. If you had a family member with a terminal illness or one that COULD be treated (with insurance) .... I don't think you would be so quick to write Obama off.

Romney pretty much thinks our lives are expendable. I beg to differ. Once my insurance reached 2370, I had to lose it, I didn't have a choice... Obama is the only thing giving me hope right now and not just for me, for all of the working/middle class that are screwed.
and yet here you are, alive and well with no insurance. the horror!
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and yet here you are, alive and well with no insurance. the horror!
She is. For now.

Ever gone without health insurance? If so, why?
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8 horrible years of needless war, recession, unemployment, crashing stock market, illegal spying, terror and debt from a conservative Republican administration.

Now for 2012 millions of idiots want...a conservative republican administration.

Brilliant.
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Ever gone without health insurance? If so, why?
I never had health insurance until I was 41 years old. I didn't need it. Neither did my 2 brothers. My youngest brother is 42 and he still has never had health insurance.

My mom is 67 and she doesn't have it. My dad is 72 and he doesn't have it. They pay their doctor themselves.
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Ever gone without health insurance? If so, why?
I don't, because I don't go to doctors.
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Who cares about who they are as a person, their personal life is their business, All that matters is who will do a better job running this country.
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And neither of them will....this whole scam has been going on for thousands of years
That isn't a choice, One of them will be President.

Obama has proven failure.... I don't blame him, He tried what he thought was best. Everything doesn't always go as planned, Everyone here should know that.

Romney is a business man, No matter what he did to make his money, or what he did with it, He has proven success in business, and I feel that is exactly what we need.

I do disagree with Obama on many things he has done. and that is why I and almost everyone I know is voting for Romney "none of us voted last time" I think you will see alot of people stepping up to vote this time.
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You kidding? Look at what this TWAT of a president thinks of our troops for god sakes below:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012...-electric-pen/

we NEED a economic president right now. OBAMA is NOT IT. PERIOD. I dont know the future but Mitt would do a better job. How much better? I do not now since I do not know the future. I'd rather give someone new a try over someone who has made the economy worse. OBAMA is just a well speaker period. The guy knows nothing about what is good for the US. If you want to keep the economy the way it is and watch it get worse, then put this jackass into office again. On top of that, OBAMA has been pushing bills through even though they have been shot down by congress. THAT'S ILLEGAL.

Name 1 thing that socialism in the PAST has been good for? Dont worry, Ill wait.....
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Yeah we do. But we don't need somebody who's gonna to bring back most of last guy's advisers.

And we sure as hell don't need Paul Ryan throwing the old folks to the wolves so the billionaires can get another tax cut.


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How about three? Social Security, Medicare and the Interstate Highway system.
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Yeah we do. But we don't need somebody who's gonna to bring back most of last guy's advisers.

And we sure as hell don't need Paul Ryan throwing the old folks to the wolves so the billionaires can get another tax cut.

Business owners who employ over 100 people, should have major tax breaks, They are suppling jobs, and everyone of those empoyee's are paying taxes on money from that company....
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An economic President?! What does that mean? The government should not exist. Thinking that Mitt Romney is single handedly going to turn things around and knows whats best for 300,000,000 million is beyond absurd. The guy will initiate the use of the force just like every ruler before him
The GOVT shouldnt exist? In a perfect world I get what you are saying but that will never happen. Who said Romney will single handedly turn things around? OUR BEST ecomonic president in MY lifetime has been Bill Clinton. No way in hell can you argue that. I can give facts up the asshole. Both parties(republican and democrats agree). My point IS, people should not be right wingests in terms of voting now a days. You dont just vote for democrats just because your democrat. Every four years I think you should vote for whoever is better for the next term. Past has shown, OBAMA is garbage and TIMING wise, its time for someone new.
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Old 08-31-2012, 03:24 PM   #141
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Yeah we do. But we don't need somebody who's gonna to bring back most of last guy's advisers.

And we sure as hell don't need Paul Ryan throwing the old folks to the wolves so the billionaires can get another tax cut.




How about three? Social Security, Medicare and the Interstate Highway system.
THREE examples? Those examples you gave are not what I was talking about.

Listen, at no time in history has true socialism or communism worked. 10's of millions of people have been killed because of it. Show me one country that is socialist or communist that people are migrating to or have ever migrated to in large numbers? You can't.
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How about three? Social Security, Medicare and the Interstate Highway system.
The lack of knowledge about our country among otherwise smart people is bad.

The Interstate highway system was built by President Eisenhower to ensure that heavy tanks and big army trucks could be moved around the country quickly in case of attack.

Do some research people! I learned that in the 5th grade.

But then again, I went to school in the 1960's and 1970's when they used to actually teach stuff.
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the lack of knowledge about our country among otherwise smart people is bad.

The interstate highway system was built by president eisenhower to ensure that heavy tanks and big army trucks could be moved around the country quickly in case of attack.

Do some research people! I learned that in the 5th grade.

But then again, i went to school in the 1960's and 1970's when they used to actually teach stuff.
thank you!!!!
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Governments don't exist. There are only people...some people do not use force to get what they want and some do.
Like I said, I understand what you are trying to say BUT that is not our reality at this moment and nothing you or anyone can say, will change that. Which is why I always believed and still believe that our vote doesn't matter. We saw what happend when GORE beat BUSH and all of a sudden it was fraud voting and had to be a recount which was BS. GORE won that election. But because of JED BUSH, he cheated for his brother.
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Business owners who employ over 100 people, should have major tax breaks, They are suppling jobs, and everyone of those empoyee's are paying taxes on money from that company....
I agree with that...
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Everytime I see sombody type "Mittens" it just looks like desperation and trying to convince themselves of something.

Here's the reality check people: Unless Obabma has an October Surprise and the economy suddenly roars to life...this is going to be a VERY close election.

And none of you calling Romney "Mittens" is going to change that.
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Who cares about who they are as a person, their personal life is their business, All that matters is who will do a better job running this country.
What planet do you live on? Who cares what the presidential candidates are like as a person? Well, everyone in the world cares.
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Business owners who employ over 100 people, should have major tax breaks, They are suppling jobs, and everyone of those empoyee's are paying taxes on money from that company....
They do have major tax breaks. They are called loopholes.

And btw, your candidate Romney there.... When has busy taking Massachusetts from 47th in economic growth to dead last, the one good thing he did was... Close the loopholes that big companies use to avoid taxes.

Do you even know your candidate? At all? Your telling us here that "big companies" should have major tax breaks while your candidate was busy doing the direct opposite.... That's the direct opposite of what you said.
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What I don't get about the Republican's trickle down economics is that if America's corporations are making more money than ever, why isn't this reflected in the jobs numbers?
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