I don't see one thing that mac can do better than a Pc.

I have zero, ummm wait? yup ZERO problems with my built Pc.

I used to be the support staff for my parents (who are not tech savvy at all, Mom barely knows where the power button is and loses the cursor frequently) and had to field the weekly tech questions about why their computer does this, or wont do that, or getting some weird error message, or Dad tried to install some program and now something won't work. So when it came time for them to buy a new computer, I suggested that they go with a Mac. The only time I get questions now are for Printer/ISP issues. It's saved me a lot of time, and their Mac is now 6 years old and it's basically for surfing the net, skyping and printing photos.

I bought a Dell years ago and right after I got all my stuff loaded on it, the fan on the graphics board start making an annoying ticking noise, probably from a bad bearing. I called Dell about it and they told me I had to return the entire computer to get it fixed.

They turned into a shit bag company. The sales guys are all English speaking Americans but the after sale guys are anything but. You have to pay a premium to get US customer care. No thanks! I'm done with PC's.

I doubt everyone buy the RAM elsewhere. I'd be surprised if it is even 20% of the ibuyers know they are being fooled. The whole Apple idea is you buy a full package that just works.

Not sure what you mean by comparable monitors. In my sample I simply picked a monitor equal to the Apple Cinema Display.

About premade PC's only my very first was premade. I have built my own computers for about 10 years now. It is not necessarily cheaper but I get the quality I am after, and a PC that is not preinstalled with all sorts of crap.

Not that I would ever buy one, but just for the fun of it I tried to configure a HP workstation, to see what I would be able to have for the same price as the Mac Pro listed in my other post.


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With the 20% eCoupon code the total price is $10,749 vs $10,348 for the Mac Pro.

A quick compare:

Mac: 2 x 3.06GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon (12 cores)
HP: 2 x Intel Xeon E5-2650 20M Cache, 2.00 GHz (16 cores)
Difference: New-gen 16-core Xeon cpu vs old 12-core

Mac: 64GB of DDR3-1333 SDRAM (8x8)
HP: 128GB of DDR3-1600 SDRAM (16x8GB)
Difference: Double up on memory

Mac: 512GB solid-state drive + 1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
HP: 300GB solid state drive + 2 x 600GB 15k RPM SAS
Difference: Smaller SSD but better 2nd drives

Mac: ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
HP: NVIDIA Quadro 5000 2.5GB
Difference: Dated ATI card vs proffessional high-end 3D card (card is $1750 at Newegg)

Mac: Apple LED Cinema Display (27" flat panel)
HP: HP Promo ZR30w 30-inch S-IPS LCD Monitor
A tad bigger screen but no real difference.


One can do their your own conclution, but I am sure most not wearing iGlasses can see Apple do their utmost to take peoples money.

Really? Most say Windows 7 is the best version MS made so far. Haven't been much bad press about Windows 7.

- Fast as in faster than better PC hardware?

- Perfect-leeeee?

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No.
No problems.
Perfect-leeeee Macs.

There are problems with Apple products just as with PC's.
Apple probably have a advantage over discount PCs sold but they are definitely not perfect. For the same money you can build your own quality machine - with much better specs.

In my personal opinion, Mac OS/X is better than Windows. It starts faster, is much more reliable, never crashes. I never ever get a "blue screen of death".

I still use Windows 7 on my PC and on our Accounting mac machine (running Parallels). Windows 7 is excellent, I agree. I still think OS/X is better. I am speaking from experience as I use both.


No, just Fast. You can't compare hardware speeds because the hardware is not the same. The only true way to compare is if all hardware is exactly the same.




No, I said runs PERFECTLY (FOR ME). I can't speak for others. Of course there will always be issues with any hardware and software. What I am saying is that I have virtually no problems with mine. The only problem I had was getting 2 iMac27's to work as a single desktop. A single phone call to Apple had the solution for me in less than 5 minutes. *That* is service, and that is peace of mind.

No. No problems for me. MEEEEEE. I am speaking for myself, MPGdevil. Do you own a Mac? Are you speaking from experience? I have both PC's and Macs.

Alright. You are losing out on a product that you might actually like by closing your mind off to it. Thats too bad.

Presumably the "great, fast, really really fast, support from Apple" is just people phoning up to say how their Macs are working perfect-leeeeee.

I'm sure you're right. Better stick with a PC then.

Fair enough. Operating system is a matter of prefference. I have not tried OSX so I can't compare. In your previous post you just gave the impression that Windows is no longer a good OS, and by that I disagree. Not saying there are no better alternatives, but it gets the job done.
Last time I experienced a BSOD was using Windows 2000 at school, and maybe once or twice with Windows XP. No problems with either Vista or Windows 7 so far.


"Mac for the money is simply better." were your words.
Sure it may be fast. If I was to use my computer for 3D/CAD or any heavy hardware dependent work, I would choose to build my own PC though with newer and better (faster) cpu, memory and graphics for the same price.
You should be able to compare render times between the two systems.
For most daily work you would not notice any difference though.


Glad to hear you have no issues with your Mac. It just sounded like you were generalising.
There are more PC users with problems compared to Mac because the number of users are about 9:1. Having PC problems isn't necessarily a reason to chose Mac though.

No I do not own a Mac and have not tried OSX. I might like it but I doubt I will ever end up with one. Partly because of their prices (I think they screw over their customers), and partly because I have always loved to build my own systems. Every summer I upgrade my PC with new hardware, so I need the flexibility.


Maybe. Apple have to lower their prices to begin with though.

I have owned both the first iPad and iPhone3 GSM. I was impressed with both since it was my first experience with a tablet and smart phone. Last year I then wanted to try an Android device and bought the Samsung Galaxy S2, and suddenly the iOS looked static and boring to me. A lot of more options to personalize the phone and the whole UI experience was as fluid as my iPhone.

At the end of the year I will most likely buy a Windows Phone 8 and a Windows Surface Pro tablet. A lot of people think the interface is ugly, mock Microsoft and hope they fail.
I like trying out new things and just the opposite I hope they get success. The more competition the better for all us consumers, whatever it is iOS, Android or Windows.