Why would you want to run any computer for longer than a few years? You need new hardware for the new software that is out.

I have 10-year-old PCs sitting around as well. They work fine.

Current Mac software runs perfectly well on 2007 (5 year old) iMacs.

And it runs perfectly fine on brand-new video editing software?

Yep.

8char.

Comparing specs is not the best way to compare value. A harder to quantify but just as important comparison points should include usability, design, and ascetics.

The iMac 27 is a beautiful machine. It is a slim case of polished aluminium and glass, that sits on a single pedestal / leg, and has zero cables except for the single AC cable. A PC is at least 2 big items with at least 7 cables poking in and out.

The operating system is slick and fast, and unlike windows, is not prone to viruses and other security nightmares.

Getting tech support is a cinch. Getting a person on the phone to help is super fast, and best of all you have only 1 number to call.

All of the above ads tremendous value to me as a person who LIVE on their computers. There is no way I would trade a couple of hundred dollars "Savings" buying a PC now. An iMac is much better value for the money.

Yes, get a Mac. You will never have any problem using it, because once you have one you'll just spend all day jacking off over it while kissing 27 inch jpegs of Steve Jobs.

Indeed. Sorry to say it but Mac users mostly are retards. In fact a few hours with the shiny bouncing icons and other Toys R Us nonsense of OSX and you'll feel like you're losing braincells too.

The HP will probably run OSX too.

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Then you're obviously doing something very wrong. The tiny minds of Mactards will never comprehend this little fact, however often it's explained, but Macs are PCs, architecturally. That's why you can run Windows on an Apple PC and OSX on a HP PC.

Carry on imagining Macs run on magic fairy dust though.

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Oh good. We've not had a thread where people argue pointlessly about which OS they like the best for at least a week!

I believe the new iMacs are coming out in a couple of months... they're due for an upgrade since it's been a while :2 cents:

IMAC is by far the best computer I have ever owned. AND Because Mac geeks always have to have the latest and greatest its easy to find nice hardly used IMAC's for cheap. This way you can see if you like an IMAC for $800 - $1000 instead of a brand new one @ 2k+ then if you like it buy a new one in a couple years when apple releases new versions of its products. :2 cents:

50 imacs. :thumbsup

If you like windows and don't want to change then stay PC. If you are up for a change, and just want things to work simply, try Mac. I have found that quite a few people that heckled Mac owners for years have tried it and liked it. I wouldn't consider myself very tech savvy, and I know people that are, that find Mac restrictive. But for the rest of us who just want to fire up the laptop in the morning and work without issues, Mac is great.

It's funny, as people are talking about viruses, I have a Macbook (used Mac since 1995) my partner has an HP PC. Both purchased at the same time. His has already been back once for repair, and right now is being restored for having a virus. Mine has never had an issue. He heckles me all the time "ooh.. I guess the mighty Mac doesn't have that problem" I just smile and say "guess not" I also have a 10 yr old Emac at home that has never once had a problem other than having to upgrade RAM.

I must be special I have never gotten a virus on a windows box. The reason macs dont get viruses is not because they are special its because there arent enough of them if your goal is to spread something. But their numbers keep climbing you will see more and more.

Viruses get on them, but don't run since they're meant for Windows. If you can hack Linux, you can hack a Mac.. :2 cents:

It's not just because there are less Macs that there are less viruses, but also because OSX is more secure, presumably in large part because it's based on the (Mach) Unix kernel. Also most malware is probably just script kiddies making variations of existing (Windows) 'viruses'.

Macs do get 'viruses' (trojans/malware) though, which is why Apple dropped their claim that Macs are virus free.

The first 'virus' that was on Macs besides isolated incidents was when I was working there and they downgraded it to technically 'just a script in iTunes' but then more came along and they eventually dropped that claim :upsidedow

Messing with other Macs on a network is easy, too, with sudo chmod 775 / and a few other commands :winkwink:

I'm having a garage sale and just sold an 2009 21'' iMac for $650 - guy didn't even try to talk me down. Might come back for the $500 2008 Macbook Pro.

Both of these have been sitting collecting dust. Was suprised to see how much people were buying and selling them for on Craigslist.

Gotta like a machine that holds keeps some value. Even if it's just perceived value to the buyer.

Ive used adobe premier on pc for years. How is it on a mac?

Mac
 

Once you go MAC, you never go back

Oh where have you heard a similar quote?

I totally love my MACs. As i said, there are a couple of programs no MAC guy has realized he'd make money, by creating a MAC program similar to the Windows equivalent. I even talked to a guy who did a Windows program, he was "what's MAC?"

I'm not even asking for a free copy. I just need a working program you'll make millions off of and all you can say say is "Huh." Even begged a MAC software specialist.

Programs
 

Why is it my Windows Office QuickBooks 97 works better than any newer Windows version or ANY MAC version?
No matter what QB says, you can't upgrade. I worked for a CPA firm, we had to have every version of QB on our computer to do year-end reports/taxes, as QB will only recognize a specific issue of QB.
QB for MAC, total joke.

Business opportunity. Write some great MAC programs.

I only play with premiere and am no way any kind of a power user. It seems to work well though.

Not true, I don't use apple products, but when I chat with people about shooting video's I use yahoo messinger, if they are using an apple product photosharing, and transferring files doesn't work. and sending these things through email is a headache, considering if you run an add looking for guys to shoot, you get tons of replies. you may only use one or two of them. So I always tell them msg me later using a Pc computer "when having so many replies you have to go with the easiest way possible" It's kinda funny, I seen a commercial on Tv that says people with iphones get laid more. Not here they don't....lol

other than that, and flash, I don't know of anymore problems, but like I said, I don't use apple products, So I wouldn't know.

played with mac at friends house not sure what the hype is all about... only thing I liked is screen quality but still sucks compare to dell 30s

I've got a mac pro for work and an imac for web use. Love it and it looks ok in my living room.

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Virus
 

Had to wake up in the middle of the night, drive 60 miles, as my son got a Windows virus He had a term paper due the next morning, for his masters degree. Of course you can't download an upgrade to any antivirus program. as they know that you'll do that. So you have to use a CD, DVD or flash with a clean copy of the antivirus to clean the machine.
Mac & Linux may someday get viruses and will quickly take care of the problem. Windows is too busy trying to sell me Office Jan 2012, oh wait, Office Feb 2012, oh wait, Office March 2012....... oh wait, Office April 2012.

Mac = expensive pc with 1/3 the software at 2x the $$.

Fucking Thanks
 

I have to explain to the Queen of Garage Sales what Macs look like. (She's to busy with crap). Now I know where to get an iMac. Having a Homer DUH moment. And when I say Queen of Garage Sales, I'm surprised she hasn't come home with a Ferrari for a couple hundred dollars.

That is one of the reasons why Macs run so well. The hardware is specifically designed, put together and tweaked to run with the OS and visa versa. I see it everyday at NETbilling, where we have more than 50 Windows PCs and Macs running in our office.

I run mac and pc.

One thing that was really upsetting was upgrading from "snow leopard" to "Lion" and breaking a lot of the programs, including parallels that had windows running.
The iCal (calendar) integration in with mountain lion is priceless.

If it is because you are tired of Windows have you tried Ubuntu or Linux Mint?
I only tried Mint briefly but it looked pretty nice.

It's Mac. Not MAC. When you capitalise it it changes the meaning very specifically, viz:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address

Please post comparative hardware that is 1/2 the cost.

Or a MacMini for half the price - add your own monitor and keyboard.

An HDMI monitor for under $200.

New MacMinis you can upgrade RAM yourself, without secret tools.

Mac Pro (12-core)

CPU: Two 3.06GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon
Memory: 64GB (8x8GB) 1333MHz DDR3 ECC R-DIMM SDRAM
Harddrive 1: 512GB solid-state drive
Harddrive 2: 1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
Display: Apple LED Cinema Display (27" flat panel)

Total: $10,348.00

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PC (12-core)

Motherboard: EVGA Classified SR-2 270-WS-W555-A2 LGA 1366 Intel 5520 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HPTX - $430.00
CPU: 2 x Intel Xeon X5675 Westmere-EP 3.06GHz LGA 1366 95W Six-Core Server Processor - $2875
Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance 64GB (8 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - $440.00
Harddrive 1: OCZ Vertex 4 VTX4-25SAT3-512G 2.5" 512GB SATA III MLC SSD - $500.00
Harddrive 2: Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1000DHTZ 1TB 10000 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" - $270.00
Graphics: SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready - $160
Display: Dell UltraSharp U2711 Black 27" HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor with PremierColor - $850.00
PSU: SILVERSTONE ST1500 1500W ATX 12V 2.3 & EPS 12V SLI Ready 80 PLUS - $300.00
Case: COOLER MASTER COSMOS II RC-1200-KKN1 Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - $320.00

Total: $6145.00

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Not exactly half the price but still $4000 saved.
OR you could build a pc which is actually up to date and still save $1500.


PC Sandy Bridge (16-core)

Motherboard: EVGA Classified SR-X 270-SE-W888-KR LGA 2011 Intel C606 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HPTX - $650.00
CPU: 2 x Intel Xeon E5-2690 Sandy Bridge-EP 2.9GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 2011 135W 8-Core Server Processor - $4080.00
Memory: Kingston 64GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 ECC Registered Server Memory - $750.00
Harddrive 1: OCZ Vertex 4 VTX4-25SAT3-512G 2.5" 512GB SATA III MLC Internal SSD - $500.00
Harddrive 2: Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1000DHTZ 1TB 10000 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" - $270.00
Graphics: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 Classified 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support - $660.00
Display: Dell UltraSharp U3011 30" LCD Monitor - $1220.00
PSU: SILVERSTONE ST1500 1500W ATX 12V 2.3 & EPS 12V SLI Ready 80 PLUS - $300.00
Case: COOLER MASTER COSMOS II RC-1200-KKN1 Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - $320.00


Total: $8750.00

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The Apple store hardware prices are such a ripoff.
Some people think OSX is worth that price though. Each to his own.

So, if you don't buy the RAM from apple (as no one would) and you get comparable montiros, and if you buy a premade PC from Dell rather than building it yourself, how does it work out then?

Oh yeah, the same.

Nice one for trying though.

It's not his fault Apple won't allow you to build your own. 2x the price was an obvious exaggeration to make a point, but it turns out you're paying 1.7x the price. Pat yourself on the back.

You may have just made our point. I'm going on 4 years now with my iMac and there's no reason to change. Also, the hardware alone should not be the only deciding factor. Other factors could be:

- Windows is just not that good of an operating system anymore.

- Technical problems require you to make many phone calls or do lots of digging to get to the actual manufacturer.

- Most items in PC's are OEM, meaning the company you bought the machine from will not support you. You have to go to find the company of the specific faulty item to get support.

- Windows too is the OEM version, meaning Microsoft will not provide you with support unless you pay for it. (Crazy!)

Of course you could go with a brand name like HP and save money buying it from Best Buy, but guess what. They almost always come loaded-down with dozens of pre loaded programs that all load on boot and all sit in ram and slow down your brand new "fast" machine. Don't think Best Buy or HP will help you remove all that shit either.

Mac users aren't trying to beat you up over this issue. I have been a PC/Windows guy forever. Mac for the money is simply better. Mac's :

- Are fast
- Work perfectly. I mean perfectly. I really mean perfect-leeeee.
- Have great, fast, really really fast, support from Apple. 1 Call. 1 Website. Fast.
- Seem to have better designed software. You can drag and drop anything to anything almost.
- Make networking a snap.
- Talk to my other devices. My Macs talk to my iphone and my apple TV. I can share music with Tracy. I can start a movie on my mac, continue watching on my iphone, and finish watching on Apple TV. I can add a new appointment in my calendar and it updates my iphone calendar instantly, wirelessly, effortlessly.

How easy Macs are to use is years ahead of how each a windows pc is to use.

Why would they though? It wouldn't save the consumer much money, but it would cost Apple alot more in support. Plus quality control would drop too.

Once you go mac, you never go back.

If you don't have a Mac you're either:

1. Too old
2. Too broke
3. Mentally retarded
4. DVTimes

Depends on what you plan on using it for, if it is just to surf the net, save your money. If it is for editing...it is a must have