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900X52 weeks is not 89K... that is a fail :2 cents:

JC fail wow that is not unusual

I had a friend that got laid off of his welding job of $40k a year.
He has a back burner case come up and he was looking at doing 6 months in jail and with 6 months until check in time he figured he'd just sit and wait on his ass playing Grand Theft Auto multiplayer for 6-8 hour stretches at a time.
On unemployment he was making roughly the equivalent of $10 an hour for a 40 hours work week. Why bother to get another job? He didn't feel like working 2nd shift again. He got up to 240 pounds and this was only at 5'5". When he got out of county jail he weighted 160.

The longest clocked work week I've ever done was 73 hours. They wouldn't let me work more than that but there was one stretch where I went into my welding job for 40+ days straight.
What got depressing was going into work at 7pm, getting out at 7am then going to sleep at 10am and waking up at 6pm and realize in an hour you have to be at work.
Tears began rolling down my eyes because the only social life I had were the breaks permitted with the other people who were pissed off because they were stuck there for life.

It's so important to map out your day and figure out what you want or you'll just be an old, angry, and grumpy man like the rest of that bunch in that shop (which wasn't even union btw).

Damn :( When I turned 19 I got a 1 bedroom apartment around here for $600/month...the neighborhood was really ghetto but I was always working or at school so it didn't matter to me plus they kept the apartments really clean inside.

Corporate welfare costs this country 4X compared to welfare for the poor and look what people are bitching about. The FOX propaganda machine is quite effective.

And that job is very likely now being done in the Far East and the dicks heads here screaming get a job will be buying the coats.

The world has changed in terms of employment. The problem is some people's thinking hasn't. In saying "get a job" when they don't have the qualifications to do most on offer, people are now looking at unemployment as a life style and the solutions are useless and outdated.

Only if all the people working "off the books" returned to working on the books. Go do the sums.

If they catch and penalise those paying the illegal workers money, big fines that discouraged the practice. Then there would be a better response.

So that's the situation. What's the solution?

So you buy from local shops selling only American made goods?

Still you state the problem, tell us the solution.

This is actually a good point about one of the major issues we are facing as a country. If an employer didn't provide health insurance they might be able to pay more, but even with that extra money most people wouldn't be able to afford the insurance on their own. The out of control upward spiraling cost of health insurance in general in one of those things that is bleeding into all sectors of our economy and life in this country.



It is a crazy catch 22. If you work at Walmart chances are the only place you can afford to shop is Walmart. Local can cost a decent amount more. I live in a small town and we have three grocery stores. Two of them are big chains and have almost the exact same prices. The third is a locally owned store. It does decent because it was here before either of the chain stores were and it has local produce and local meet so it has some good support. But their prices are often 20% higher so if you are on a budget you likely end up choosing one of the other two stores.

one fitty lazy bastards:pimp

Agreed. The cost of Health Care in the US is a prime argument against privatisation. Countries with a Government supplied Health Care system often provide a better system for a lot less money for all citizens..

Actually the 50's on you had vacations, time off and benefits were coming in. I remember in the sixties my dad had all of that and since he worked for a bank ,he got low low interest mortgages. No the big difference was a CEO was happy making 50x the avg worker not 500x.
My Dad told me about the recession in the 70's not one person was laid off, salaries were frozen but no one was getting fired. It was considered a loss of face for a CEO to lay people off. They would have anniversary pins and you had people there up to 50 yrs. Back then they were people not human capital.

Agreed. That shit is whack.

If you dismantled the welfare state completely, including social security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, etc. -- all of it -- this would be a self-correcting problem within weeks.

You want more government? This is more government. And it's going to keep getting worse.

The recession in the 1970s wasn't nearly as bad as what we just went through.

Damn Scooter, did you type that while riding your skateboard? lol

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Of course not.But it didnt help the mass laying off of people. Our economy is based on spending. Germany took less of a hit because of the action they took instead of having a layoff blood bath.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freee...ry_comparisons
"Germany proceeded to protect its labour market from major disruption by the great recession, through the use of its "short work" labour sharing programme. Firms were encouraged to cut hours rather than jobs, and workers facing reduced work hours were provided an income subsidy. The result? Germany's huge output fall produced only a labour market wiggle."

Instead of investing in war, and corporate bail outs, what are your thoughts on doing a 2012 versus of "The New Deal" with massive government spending on public works projects? By that I mean, repairing and upgrading this country's infrastructure that is crumbling? Not pork barrel bullshit.

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I think you should take this idea to the poorer areas of your city. :thumbsup

It's about as stupid a theory I've heard here for a while.

Let's look at the alternatives.

Private enterprise are in the business of reducing costs, the workforce is a major cost. Reduce it and you have more for the shareholders.

The notion that tax cuts will produce a turn around is dead in the water. It's just those who are taxed want more and fuck anyone else who suffers. The extra spending will result in extra imports. Most businesses will not employ more, they will gear up and produce more with the same work force. Unless they absolutely have to. See above for why.

Public spending is always an employer who takes on more people than it needs. Just the nature of the beast. It won't open factories in China or any 3rd World Country like private enterprise does. It has to buy goods made in the US where possible. A 21st century version of The New Deal, will provide for the country so much. The Hoover Dam provides for LA and Vegas. Solar panels in the deserts and South America could provide all the day time electricity for the US. Stumbling block is the Private enterprise owned electricity companies. :Oh crap

And I'm sure there are other schemes that could be started by the Government to get economies moving again. One is Bank Loans. The Banks were bailed out after the crash with a huge amount of tax payers money on the understanding that the money would be fed into the economy via loans. Only a small part of it was. Same is happening in the UK. I believe banks are part of private enterprise. :Oh crap

I never thought I would think like this, it's just the last 10 or so years that I've seen the big businesses lose all morals and ethics to line their own pockets that I've changed. And I am in no way calling for Communism, just to do what is needed when required.