Oh, I'm sure there are people like this. They need to be moved off the system. Welfare was meant to be a temporary support system for emergencies. It should be limited and should be so little that it encourages people to get off of it. Entire generations shouldn't be raised on welfare and food stamps.

I don't understand people like this. They'll never know what it's like to really live. They'll always live in someone's house, and never have a nice car or go on a nice vacation. What a shame.

I'm sure that applies to some families, but not mine. Not everyone was in a union.

Another difference between now and then is, back then people lived within their means. Life is difficult when you try to live beyond what you can afford.

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Then you have a bunch of hungry desperate people, that's how revolutions start. Not middle class people bitching about paying a little more taxes. Having nothing to lose gives someone alot of freedom.
When you look at the actual percentage it is of overall gov spending its nothing.

Just add more fluoride to the water supply. :winkwink:

People will take a LOT of shit for many, many years before they take to the streets in a serious way. You don't have to look any future than developing nations to see this, where people live in real poverty and suffering. But still, most of them take whatever is dished out to them. Probably has something to do with having your spirit broken and no hope.

That may look harsh but people move to such places for a reason. It's always a cost benefit analysis........

This guy is Goatse.

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Right and she has 3 children, so she gets
Pays $250 a month for a 5 bedroom house since she is low income.
$200 ish in Cash
$800 Food Stamps
Free Breakfast & Lunch even in the summer for the kids
Free & Reduced school fees
Free Medical -- Always at the ER getting pain pills and selling them
Goes to Local food banks and churches to get all the free food she can to sell food stamps.
Winter time she gets around $1,200 Energy assist
Summer can be from $300-$1,800 depending
Free Childcare
Free Cell Phone
Other things that I just can't think of right now.

She also gets the Child support and Unemployment --
Child Support is fine, just the Unemployment she doesn't even look for a job till it is about to run out!

Respect.

get a job, get a job holding dicks,
whatever you do just get a job

I have no problem blaming ass wipes that abuse any system.

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If someone lies about their income like the drug dealer example you commented on then yea I have a problem. Judging from your attitude about those that abuse taxpayers money it's clear you don't pay your share of taxes.

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"immoral"? The fuck you talking about? Fucking dumb ass. You turn every statement by anyone into something entirely different. Back on ignore. (I feel sorry for anyone you come into contact with in real life)

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No, then you have a bunch of hungry people willing to dig ditches for minimum wage because they are tired of being hungry.

The problem we have - and it's been mentioned here already - is that Americans feel we are entitled. Every high school graduate believes they are above minimum wage and above working in such industries as fast food. I worked fast food for seven years and had a blast doing it. Unless your coming out of high school with four years work experience, your worth only minimum wage - the truth is your worth less but legally no one can pay you less.

Back then one third of the work force was union and it affected all jobs. You try and live in your means on $9 an hr. My grandfather pressed womens coats, he made enough to buy a house my grandmother didnt work and they had four kids. And he paid for two weddings, pressing ladies coats.My brother is a big right winger, he travels alot for work. He is sitting there and the guys behind him are talking on the plane. The one guy is baffled he cant find hoards of people to work for the $10 an hr jobs he has. My brother said he wanted to turn around and say you try living on $10 an hr.

An entitlement mentality is a serious problem. It is linked to many other issues and isn't good for social cohesion in the long run. Also, it erodes competitiveness.

The problem is American consumers that shop on price only and don't care about quality or the working conditions and pay of third world workers. $10 an hour is a lot to pay when most products are now made by $10 a week workers.

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i gotta job for ya

I don't know that it is just an American problem I think it is a human problem. There are some people who just feel like they can do what they want and that they are owed something by everyone else. Every country in the world has crime. Many of these acts of crime are people stealing stuff from other people. That will never change. There are always going to be people who will feel it is easier to just take something than to work for it.

If we were to get rid of welfare completely I think some of them people would go out and get a job, but I think a lot of them would turn to crime and we would end up paying for them only instead of the payment being in the form of welfare checks it would be in the form of putting them through the criminal justice system.

[QUOTE=Barefootsies;19092501]Then you move to someplace cheaper.

That makes too much sense for many people. :winkwink:

Americans dont have the entitlement attitude market cornered. It is alive and well even in eastern Europe. Work ethic is an oxymoron here in Romania people think they deserve money simply for breathing.

[QUOTE=Gozarian;19093549]It is actually not all the simple for many people.

If you are out of work and looking for a job that pays $10 per hour you likely don't have much, if any, money so the idea of of moving to a different state is pretty much out of the question.

You would likely be better of trying to live as cheaply as you could where you are (even if that means roommates or whatever) and try to go back to school where you could learn to do something that would allow you to make more money.

The working poor are not very mobile.

That is very common all over the world. Politicians are partly to blame-they love promising "magic money" to the electorate-cradle to grave goodies.

I can assure you that once you turn down one too many $10.00/hour fry-o-lator jobs, and are reduced to living in your vehicle, you're a gas station away from being "mobile".

Life's about choices. Some money is better than no money. Many have no money, and turning down work.

Payroll taxes we pay are 45.1% (16.5% employee contribution, 28.6% employer contribution) and government cant understand why the 60% of workers are black market employees. If they reduce that burden by half the black market employees would suddenly appear on the books and government will be awash in cash.

To recap, BF tried to get some outsourcing done and offered $4.25 an hour, likely clocked. The people who responded to him told him to fuck off and hence, this thread.

Carry on toots

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I guess it all depends on how far you fall. If you are homeless, you are kidding yourself if you think you will be able to easily get a job and move. You might be able to, but likely you will end up in shelters and working from there.

If you are not so bad off that you are homeless and you are just poor and barely able to get by you could move, but it isn't so simple as packing up your stuff and moving somewhere else. You would have to save enough money for the actual move itself, then you will need enough money so you can get somewhere to live when you move to this new place. Finding an affordable place to live without a job is not easy, but if you do then you will need to get a job.

In a perfect world, if it all went smoothly you could pull it off, but the big question is: Would the move really help you if you are poor? The answer is not likely.

Sure, you may be able to move somewhere that has a lower cost of living, but the odds are that wages will be lower as well so they will match the cost of living. If you were barely getting by on $10 an hour where you were living and you move to a new state where the cost of living is 30% less, but you are only going to make $8.50 per hour, you likely haven't improved your life much.

Unless a person is willing to either go to school to learn how to do something that pays better or they are willing to work hard and trying to climb the ladder and continue to get better and better jobs moving is not going to help them.

True.

I am not against programs to help get people back on their feet. But it should not be dragging on for years without change. If they are going to school, trying to work, or doing something to that effect where they are at least trying to better themselves. I think they should get some assistance.

However, those just milking the system should be thrown to the wolves.

Many, not all, could move back into their parents or a relatives if it gets to that point.

I am satisfied that most people will go with whatever pays the most...be it...a welfare package...unemployment package...or a job. Especially if it is someone with kids.

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