saying people dont want to work if they dont take a min wage job and calling them names and trying to degrade them does not solve the problem with the economy. THe economy's problem is excessive greed by major share holders and board members in these corporations. Making money is good, making more money because you are an excessive greedy bastard at the expense of everyone else is the problem. Most min wage jobs will not hire people full time, also min wage will not support a family. How can somoene who makes min wage go out and spend money on the economy, buy memberships to your websites and so on..they wont. Every penny they make will go on bills.

the problem is the idiots who think min wage jobs are ok for the economy. They want to hide the problems by talking trash about others. People making min wage cannot live beyond their means, no one will give them a loan!!!

On niteline not long ago they had a couple in their late 20's. They worked only enough to continue to get foodstamps and health care. Didn't look like their life was very bad. Nice clothes, apartment, etc.

That's it in a nutshell. Many will choose to sit at home and do something there for more money than go out to work for someone else for less.

The problem is something Governments all around the world need to face and solve. Manual, lower down the ladder jobs are disappearing, either to machines or to the Far East. So there's always going to be a level of unemployment. Are the unemployed be left to do nothing or found something to do?

Maybe making the benefit only available to those genuinely seeking employment and raising it to what they would get being unemployed. Maybe a form of land army with people working for the local community. What ever is done it can't be leaving a huge section of society without a future.

Boozer is right, no employer will take someone on who will leave as soon as a better position becomes available. If you're "over qualified" for a job, it can mean you will go find a better job at the drop of a hat.

Small but growing.

Just a suggestion. If her benefits were on the condition that she had to work in a day care centre looking after working mothers children, then she's getting her money and contributing. Also and maybe more importantly it sets in place a system where benefits are worked for and not an entitlement for doing nothing. So people eventually will expect to work for benefits.

Also limit child benefits for the unemployed to the first three children and watch the number of women with 3 children who planned to get more, for more money, go on the pill.

The problem is she doesn't want to work in any capacity. She wants to sit at home all day and watch TV and play video games and do whatever she wants. Working in a day care would still be working. She once said, "Working just isn't for me."

sucks .

Then fine, she does it without benefits. no force is required or applied. Simple choice, contribute towards society for the help from society or don't and not get anything. Her choice.

This will kill the growing cultural problem we have today. When I was her age there was jobs for everyone as the West still manufactured so much. Now those jobs have gone we've seen a change in culture of people not having to work and therefore not expecting to work. And worse is to come. Like Mother, like child. the next generation will be worse.

This article makes interesting reading. http://www.hrea.org/erc/Library/Crit...mployment.html

Some good points.

It will IMO grow as the West ships out more jobs to the Third World and automates more plants at Home.

So take those people who do work out of work, lower their income to base level and who pays for it and what effect does it have on the Home economy? Where does the extra cash come from to fuel entrepreneuerialism and will that movement ensure more jobs at Home?

The private sector is about maximising profits. Salaries are something they will cut if possible and have no intention of increasing. They will outsource to a cheaper country rather than employ people at Home.

Long Term we should not put our future into the hands of the private sector. If I need to explain why, look at Detroit for the answer. Just one example of the private sector chasing the bottom line and the employees over estimating their worth.

Agree and that's where today's system is wrong. We give people the choice, give something and get something back. Give nothing and get nothing back.

The M-Arkham Asylum has made an appearance....


Scaaarrrrrecrow.... scarecrow....

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Americans are going to have to get off their high horse, roll up their sleeves like their fathers and grandfathers did before them, and fucking work.

They are not entitled to anything. No one owes them anything. And when they are without work, no job is too good for them, you, or me.

Welcome to the real world.

You'd have to be stupid to work when you can earn the same or more by not working.

Yeah, I don't know about the rest of the country but I see help wanted signs all over the place and know that's usually the last ditch effort to try and hire people.

Correct.

I have tried to hire some worker bees here locally over the past couple of years. You do not need any sort of "skills" to do cut and paste work for updating blogs, BIOS, FHG, links, or alike. However, you can't find anyone decent who has any sort of work ethic, assuming you can get them to work for minimum at all.

My personal favorite, as I have heard it a number of times, goes something like this... "Um yeah, I know I do not have any skills or experience, but I am not going to work for minimum wage. I need $10-12/hour as I've got bills to pay."

There are plenty of other examples from strippers, models, and worker bees that almost have me laugh out loud in their face.

I understand we all "have bills to pay". But the wage and type of work was clearly listed. If you need a $10/hour job, do not apply for a minimum wage data entry monkey job. Especially if you have little experience in the first place.

No one wants to start at the bottom and work their way up. Or show you that they have the skills, and renegotiate later. Everyone wants to start out at MTV Cribs pay because they "expect" to make that. Otherwise, it's not worth their time. I guess being unemployed and working for $0.00 is better than working for minimum wage because that is somehow 'beneath you'.

:disgust

When your grandfather worked,there were unions and you got paid a decent wage that you could raise a family on.

Indeed.

People can bitch about unions all of they like, most doing so are ignorant. It's not to say that today's unions do not have problems. But so does anything else (corporations, government, non-profits, etc.). For those who work out "in the real world" they can thank the unions for most of the working conditions, wages, and benefits they enjoy today.

Open a history book, and see what existed before them at the turn of the last century.

:2 cents:

A $100,000 Factory Job. What's Uncool About That? .......

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/100-00...154000356.html

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Sure, there's lazy people - welfare leechers, whatever you want to call them. BUT - the majority of people I see out of work have never been on any kind of government assistance, guys in the construction industry, shit like that... you think a guy that's a journeyman carpenter, electrician, plumber, etc. that's been doing it for 10+ years is just gonna march right on down to fucking Wendy's and apply for a job when he gets laid-off? Fuck no. I know I sure as shit wouldn't. Especially when you got unemployment benefits that YOU PAY INTO. Unemployment is not a hand-out.


Anyway, John Stossel is the biggest troll on Fox, complete piece of shit, and anyone who takes his pieces seriously is probably a fucking idiot.

Here, someone do some photoshop magic with this:
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You are a sucker if you work for minimum wage, IMO

Thats defiantly not true in canada

If you have the ability to make more, and some work ethic, I agree with you.

You can make more doing a couple of clip stores, assuming you approach it like a job (consistent work hours, and days). There are any number of ways to make money online (adult and mainstream) where you can make a few grand a month fairly easily and minimal skills. But without the work ethic, you'll never make it.

Some people prefer to be a worker bee. Not everyone wants to live and die on their sword.

And now those jobs are being done by 3rd World workers. :Oh crap

Anyone counting on the private sector, who shipped the jobs out of the West, to save the West. Is in denial or conning you.

So pay your taxes to support those who choose not to work and stop complaining about how much tax you pay. Not directed at you alone. It's a comment on all those who think it's best to do nothing for more money then working.

Unemployment is for many people a culture. With illegals coming coming in and prepared to work for less, legals prepared to work for less and jobs being shipped out of the West. What is the solution?

Millions doing C4S, will reduce the income of those doing it. So keep telling people BF. :upsidedow

Private Enterprise will reduce Labour or the wage bill, given any opportunity.

Service industries don't often produce a product that can be sold outside the West.

Retail needs customers who earn money.

Financial is risky and we know why.

Maybe an import tax to make the huge amounts of goods we import, that we used to produce, pay towards the unemployment levels. Higher prices in the shops mabe. What ever way those working will have to expect to pay out.

None of them are "government hand outs". We all pay into every social welfare program that we can receive. So does our family and our extended family outwards and backwards to the program(s) beginning.

People who collect on flood insurance.. an insurance company hand out?

People who's banks are FDIC insured.. just waiting for a government hand out?

etc.

"government hand out" is yet another term manufactured to divide us. The words we use make a difference. If you don't like the current emergency benefits programs, you should suggest ideas to your local governments.

Agreed.

Governments in the West have two ways of raising cash, taxes and borrowing. We're learning to our regret the problems of borrowing.

I stop, bend over, and will take the time to pocket a penny. If I needed work I'd work anywhere for any wage, and then upgrade when possible. Hell, I'm even on fiverr creating gigs when I have 5 free minutes just to make $4 I wouldn't have otherwise in a day.

I have no pride that makes me pass on a job. I only have pride that makes me perform the job to the best of my abilities. During my first job at Burger King they had the cleanest toilets you've ever seen and I felt proud that I cleaned them.

Work ethic is everything.

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I think I would turn to a life of crime before I worked for minimum wage.

Last time I had a real job minimum wage was $3.35 an hour and I think I was making around $4.10 an hour working in the parts dept at a dealership. What a fucking joke, work all day long and at the end of the week after taxes you were lucky to have a hundred dollar paycheck. Thank god I quickly learned this was nothing more than legalized slavery and created my own job.

In late 1996 Clinton raised the minimum wage from $4.25 to $5.15 an hour. Republicans fought it tooth and nail claiming it would fuck up the economy, history tells a different story and we experienced the best economy ever.

There's so much lose on this board sometimes it startles me.

Anyways. There's a difference between unemployment benefits (which is insurance you have paid for) and welfare and food stamps and whatever else all the hahaha's collect in the USA.

In the days I did work for somebody else, my total compensation was somewhere north of $115K. I paid out the maximum in premiums every year, and so did my employer.

Of course I'm not going to take a minimum wage job at mcdonalds , I'm going to continue to actively seek work in my chosen field that Im experienced and valuable in. Or find a similar field I can transition to, perhaps at a drop in overall pay for some time.

Working at a minimum wage job when you shouldn't be just fucks everyone up. Your job search doesn't see the effort it should, no employer will touch you if they find out you are flipping burgers, and your interviews will certainly be few and far between if you can't get there 9 - 5 because you are busy bussing tables and sweeping the floor. It also reduces the taxes uncle sam should be earning off a high wage earner to worthless levels. I know online workers in general and porn people in specific don't really understand this unless they were a professional in another life, but finding a job at the higher income brackets takes time, and so does the hiring process even once you've found that job.

So in conclusion, you'd have to be fucking stupid to take a minimum wage job if you're higher qualified. However, that doesn't mean there aren't people who SHOULD be working minimum wage, but don't.

Why did I just see a drill up some white boys ass? :Oh crap

I'm calling OSHA.

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Didn't read thread.
Again, my friend who is on lots of Gov assistance, did go get a job. she work I think 5-7 weeks. They cut 90% of her gov benefits, and now she is making LESS than what the gov was giving her, Plus spending money on gas and in her words wasting 40 hours a week working when she could be doing something else. She got fired and is now back on Gov Assist.
Why work when the Gov gives you more money to stay home....

Very True, but I think most people are talking about the ones who are NOT looking for jobs for 2 years.

Plenty of people game the system. That's nothing new, it's always been that way. In good times or bad.

But what does that couple you saw on Nightline have to do with an honest guy who worked steadily for twenty years before his job was outsourced to India?

If I had to guess, I'd say that there are a hell of a lot more people like him out there right now than the sort of freeloaders you just described.

That sort of thing happens for sure.

A single person with no income gets $200 a month in food stamps. If they got a job that earned them a certain $ amount per month, they lose some of the foodstamp benefit. So basically theres a margin there you have to overcome before it becomes "worth" it in dollars.

Unemployment
 

I once got a cool job that they only needed me for ~6 months a year, working up to 15 hours a day, 7 days a week. They wanted me to take unemployment for the summer so another company wouldn't snatch me up for a "regular" job.

I inquired about a few jobs, thinking I'd just work the summers for another company. Found out I would only get $1 per hour more than my unemployment. I would have been losing money just on gas to work.

a one bedroom min rent is $1400 around here, even very bad neighborhoods. It's around $800, plus other expenses. minimum wage cannot even pay one month of rent. Minimum wage was meant for high school students, and very desperate people. For a career. It's a joke.

Because this is gofuckyourself.com, drills and all...
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Then you move to someplace cheaper.

:2 cents:

No, I've never watched Deadliest Catch. Ever. I work for a living and don't watch much TV. (LOL.)

I was under the impression that the maximum you could get in unemployment was $300 a week. Perhaps I'm basing this on what it was in California twenty years ago, the last time I was unemployed. In California it's $450/week, while in Massachusetts it's fucking $939. (Source)

That's a lot more than I thought. Hell, $939 a week is just under what my wife makes.

Sometimes you can afford the move or cheaper are places in the country where there are no jobs at all. Happened to a friend, he moved to rural Indiana. Burger King had 1 minimum wage job opening. About 500 people applied for the job. And this was when here good & bad paying jobs were begging for people.

By the way I just sent you an email. since you're looking for someone to blog.

like where? you mean out of California. out of California is even worse, job like