Dick Chenny

[crockett]

Think he will go down in history as the man whom has fucked up this country the most? It just boggles the mind how much shit this guy had his hands in that was bad for this country & the world for that matter.

title typo.... dick cheney

[wehateporn]

So true Crockett!

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

A colostomy bag with a transplanted heart.

[Relentless]

I surely hope "Dick Chenny" does not get blamed for all the terrible things Dick Cheney did to our country. ;)

[Brent 3dSexCash]

Originally Posted by crockett

Think he will go down in history as the man whom has fucked up this country the most? It just boggles the mind how much shit this guy had his hands in that was bad for this country & the world for that matter.

title typo.... dick cheney

Alan Greenspan may give him a run for his money

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by crockett

Think he will go down in history as the man whom has fucked up this country the most? It just boggles the mind how much shit this guy had his hands in that was bad for this country & the world for that matter.

title typo.... dick cheney

Could you give an example?

[theking]

Originally Posted by crockett

Think he will go down in history as the man whom has fucked up this country the most? It just boggles the mind how much shit this guy had his hands in that was bad for this country & the world for that matter.

title typo.... dick cheney

Would you care to specify a few things that Dick Cheney has done to fuck up the country.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Brent 3dSexCash

Alan Greenspan may give him a run for his money

I don't think so.. I'd say Dick Cheney has caused far more than a little bit of economics problems. Dick Cheney is likely responsible for hundreds if not thousands of peoples deaths/health issues due to giving oil and gas companies free right to ignore the clean water act.

Little bit of money problems we can always live with, but you can't live very long if the water you drink kills people.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by theking

Would you care to specify a few things that Dick Cheney has done to fuck up the country.

Here are a few , dumbo :

The Illegal Invasion of Iraq


Going to war is the most serious action that a government can take. Citizens must never be put in harm's way or have their lives put at risk except where the most pressing and urgent necessity exists. We now know that the invasion of Iraq was based on lies. Virtually everything that Cheney said about it was simply untrue. There were no WMDs and he knew it. Iraq posed no threat to the west and he knew it. There was no connection whatsoever between Iraq and Al Quaeda and he knew it . Cheney repeatedly lied to make the case for war. The position of the United Nations was crystal clear. Secretary General Kofi Annan, in September 2004, declared:

The US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN charter.

Legally, the invasion was in violation of the Nuremberg Charter, reflected in both US and international law, which specifically prohibits wars of aggression. So it is impossible to avoid the conclusion that Cheney was instrumental in starting an illegal war, surely one of the gravest possible crimes against humanity.

Mass Murder


It follows that, if the invasion of Iraq was based upon lies and illegal under international law, any killing that resulted from it would also be illegal. If Cheney wilfully and deliberately misled Congress into authorizing him to engage in an unlawful war in which American troops and Iraqis were killed, he is arguably guilty of murder under American law. The US Criminal Code defines murder as the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought and specifically holds that murders perpetrated by any kind of wilful, deliberate, malicious, and premeditated killing are murders in the first degree. If the killings are the result of Cheney lying to Congress, then they could be regarded as premeditated. Therefore, there is an argument that Cheney can be held responsible for mass murder. So far over 4,000 American soldiers and perhaps as many as a million Iraqis have died as a result of the illegal invasion of Iraq. To put that in perspective, it is vastly more than the death toll from all terrorist acts committed against the west put together.

Prisoner Detention Abuses - Violation of the Geneva Convention


Guantanamo Bay has become an international symbol of everything that was rotten about Bush and Cheney's "war on terror". It was created cynically as a way of avoiding America's obligations under international law and putting the detainees beyond the reach of US justice. The provisions of the Geneva Convention were intended to protect non-combatants, including prisoners, in times of armed conflict. They protect American servicemen as well as everyone else. Cheney claimed that these protections apply only to conflicts between states and since Al Qaeda is not a 'state', the Geneva Convention didn't apply to the "war on terror". It made no sense to anyone. On the one hand, Cheney argued that this was a war on terrorism, subject only to the laws of war, not US criminal or constitutional law. On the other hand, he said the Geneva Convention didn't apply to the war with Al Qaeda, which put the war on terror in a legal limbo. This novel 'anything-goes' approach served as the Bush administration's legal cover for a wide range of questionable tactics, ranging from the Guantanamo military tribunals to efforts to hold even US citizens indefinitely without counsel, charge or trial. The moral and legal no-man's land of Guantanamo was replicated around the world in other secret CIA 'black' prisons where people were held illegally and often tortured.

Torture

Torture is a truly heinous crime which is prohibited by both American law and under the Geneva convention, to which the USA is a signatory. Let us be quite clear about this, torture is classified as a war crime. Title 18 of the U.S. Criminal Code, Section 2441 says that someone is guilty of a war crime if he or she commits a ?grave breach of common Article 3? of the Geneva Conventions and it then it defines what a 'grave breach' would be. One such breach is torture or the conspiracy to commit torture. Cheney's regime was not about 'rough' or even 'enhanced' interrogation techniques. It involved practices which have for a long time been generally accepted as torture. These include waterboarding, sleep deprivation, exposure to extremes of heat and cold, prolonged stress positions, in some cases rape and sexual abuse, cultural and racist abuse and beatings. These actions that were undertaken by the CIA and military under the direction of Cheney and as part of a widespread government program very clearly fall into the category of crimes against humanity. Torture is an issue which has dragged America into the gutter in the eyes of the rest of the world and it is the issue that may still see Cheney and Bush indicted as war criminals.

Extraordinary Rendition


To be fair 'extraordinary rendition' (illegally kidnapping people and flying them to prisons in other countries) is a crime that America has also carried out under other administrations, but never to the same extent or as brazenly as under Cheney and Bush. In practice a foreign national might be snatched anywhere in the world and flown to a secret prison in some 'ally' country (like Egypt) where torture is routinely practised. The prisoner may be held without rights or access to any legal system, sometimes for years, and often subjected to the most brutal torture. This was the method by which the CIA, under Cheney's direction, managed to 'out-source' its most heavy-duty torturing and interrogation. The whole thing, of course, is illegal and, as an officially-approved government program that has resulted in torture, clearly constitutes a crime against humanity.

Military Atrocities in Iraq


All war is hell and you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. Ok, we know that, but Iraq is not a 'war'. There are no opposing armies. It is an illegal invasion and occupation, but even if Iraq were a war there are certain standards and conventions of humanity that civilized countries observe. Sadly there have been far too many lapses in Iraq. The use of illegal white phosphorus in Falujah to burn civilians to the bone, the trigger-happy 'shoot-first-and ask-questions-later' attitude of US contractors like Blackwater, massacres such as Haditha where 24 unarmed Iraqi men, women and children were killed by US marines - it all adds up to a very dirty and brutal occupation and one that was illegal in the first place and based on the lies of Cheney and others. There is little doubt that war crimes have been committed in Iraq but the responsibility for them goes all the way up the line. The troops on the ground didn't start the war. Cheney and Bush did.

Cheney's Death Squads


Reporting legend Seymour Hersh caused quite a furore back in March 2009 when he told an audience at the University of Minnesota that Dick Cheney ran a secret murder squad, which he kept hidden from Congressional oversight. He said at the time, "Congress has no oversight of it. It?s an executive assassination ring essentially, and it?s been going on and on and on." He added: "Under President Bush?s authority, they?ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That?s been going on, in the name of all of us." Secret death-squads are the kind of thing that you might expect in some brutal South-American dictatorship, not America. Although Hersh's allegation was originally attacked by supporters of Cheney, later reports in other newspapers appear to vindicate his charges. It now appears there was indeed a secret assassination program that Cheney instructed the CIA to keep secret from Congress, which in itself was a criminal act.

Treason - the Valerie Plame Affair


Should we consider betraying your country a crime against humanity? What if that betrayal took the form of risking the life of an operational member of the security forces? Maybe not. That's perhaps stretching it a bit, but before we're done with Cheney let's remind ourselves that he is a traitor to America too. On July 6, 2003, four months after the invasion of Iraq, Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson published an op-ed in the New York Times disputing the claim that Saddam had tried to purchase enhanced uranium yellowcake from Niger. The claim had been fabricated and used by Bush, Cheney and others in the course of arguing that Saddam's WMD posed a serious threat. To tarnish Wilson, and intimidate anyone else who might be tempted to challenge him publicly, Cheney arranged for his politically savvy deputy, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, to leak the confidential information that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was a covert CIA agent (seeking out WMD, no less) and to insinuate that Wilson's evidence of Cheney's dishonesty was tainted and discredited by nepotism. 'Outing' a covert intelligence operative for personal revenge is an action against America, not the individual. Doing this at a time when Cheney himself said the country was at war makes him a traitor.


see part two.

[directfiesta]

In Conclusion

So has Cheney committed "crimes against humanity"? The evidence is pretty damning. Of course that's not to say these are the only crimes he committed. There have been a multitude of lesser offenses, such as involvement in the illegal wire-tapping program and unanswered questions over why Halliburton, the company he was ex-CEO of and that made his fortune for him, received $8 billion in contracts from the Bush-Cheney administration for work in Iraq. Coincidence? All these issues need detailed and careful scrutiny under the framework of law. The only real question now is whether Obama will find the courage necessary to bring him to justice. For the moment, the jury is still out.


Care to give a list of the ' good things ' he did , aside from shooting someone in the face .... ?art two :

In Conclusion

So has Cheney committed "crimes against humanity"? The evidence is pretty damning. Of course that's not to say these are the only crimes he committed. There have been a multitude of lesser offenses, such as involvement in the illegal wire-tapping program and unanswered questions over why Halliburton, the company he was ex-CEO of and that made his fortune for him, received $8 billion in contracts from the Bush-Cheney administration for work in Iraq. Coincidence? All these issues need detailed and careful scrutiny under the framework of law. The only real question now is whether Obama will find the courage necessary to bring him to justice. For the moment, the jury is still out.


Care to give a list of the ' good things ' he did , aside from shooting someone in the face .... ?

[adendreams]

The worst American of all time... period

Makes me sorry we unleashed that scourge of a human being on the rest of the world.. fuck... sorry world.

[Mike Honcho]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Care to give a list of the ' good things ' he did , aside from shooting someone in the face .... ?

If you look at anyone under a microscope, you're going to find negative things regardless of who it is.

Dick Cheney is no where near as bad as it gets, trust me.

[BFT3K]

This is a picture of the guy he shot in the face, and some of the damage he caused...

[theking]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Here are a few , dumbo :

The Illegal Invasion of Iraq

Mass Murder

Prisoner Detention Abuses - Violation of the Geneva Convention

Torture

Extraordinary Rendition

Military Atrocities in Iraq

Cheney's Death Squads

Treason - Affair


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I will deal with the the Valerie Plame incident first. It was not Vice President Cheney or "Scooter" Libby that leaked information about Valerie Plame...it was Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage that leaked it to Robert Novak.

As for all of the other bla...bla...bla...Dick Cheney was Vice President and the constitution does not provide a Vice President with the authority to officially say yea or nay to any of the things he has been accused of above that you have posted. A Vice President basically has zero power other than being a tie breaker in the Senate. Any and all of the things stated above fall within the official realm of the Congress...the President and the Supreme Court. A Vice President does not have any official role in any of it. A Vice President can of course express his opinion just as any other citizen can.

The UN has never proposed a resolution to reprimand the US for anything that it has done in Afghanistan or Iraq...end of story..

[kane]

There is a reason Cheney looks like The Penguin. . . he is a super-villain.

[BFT3K]

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by theking

The UN has never proposed a resolution to reprimand the US for anything that it has done in Afghanistan or Iraq...end of story..

Why would they? The UN is a tool of the Globalist Bankers

[Tom_PM]

Career politicians tend to have their fingers in a lot of pies.

[theking]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Why would they? The UN is a tool of the Globalist Bankers

Pigshit.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by theking

Pigshit.

[SuckOnThis]

You all think its a coincidence these two look identical?

[2012]

you voted for him.

[theking]

Originally Posted by 2012

you voted for him.

No one voted for him since his days in congress...as he has not run for office since then.

[u-Bob]

I wouldn't blame all that on just one man. One man needs a lot of 'followers' to pull off all that shit.

Remember, the one pulling the trigger or doing the water boarding is just as guilty as the one hiding in the ivory tower and giving out orders.

[theking]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

I wouldn't blame all that on just one man. One man needs a lot of 'followers' to pull off all that shit.

Remember, the one pulling the trigger or doing the water boarding is just as guilty as the one hiding in the ivory tower and giving out orders.

In the case of Dick Cheney he was the Vice President and a Vice President cannot "give out orders".

[2012]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

So true Crockett!

dick is as dick does

[2012]

Originally Posted by theking

No one voted for him since his days in congress...as he has not run for office since then.

you voted for his butt buddy

[theking]

Originally Posted by 2012

you voted for his butt buddy

I did not.

[2012]

Originally Posted by theking

I did not.

did tooooo

[2012]

what a Dick

[2012]

get out there and "vote" another one in there freedom fighter

[2012]

what's really cool is his entire staff is still in the white house working for another idiot. funny how that works huh ... whaaa whaaa waaahhhhhhhh stfu

[MrCain]

He's a Dick.

[Freaky_Akula]

I bet Dick has a small dick.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by 2012

you voted for him.

No I didn't..and beside that he was already fucking up this country long before he ever became VP.