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  • Barefootsies
    Choice is an Illusion
    • Feb 2005
    • 42635
    #1

    Clips4Sale People, I Have a Question. Step Inside.

    Maybe this was something I missed somewhere, and it's not to accuse anyone first and foremost as I've been doing clips4sale for years now. Neil has always been a stand up guy.

    That said, I was going over my different site's traffic logs and came across something called, tropical-productions.com. It was very odd because it had a url exactly like my clips4sale link, studio number, etc. So i investigate further.

    Sure enough it's a carbon copy of my stores up to date. The top sold clips are completely different on my clips4sale store versus this tropical-productions.com listing.

    Exhibit A
    http://www.tropical-productions.com/studio/4057
    http://www.clips4sale.com/studio/4057

    So I check the whois info on this different url.

    Registrant:
    Tropical Productions
    25 Crested Botte Court
    Shamong, New Jersey 08088
    United States

    Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com )
    Domain Name: TROPICAL-PRODUCTIONS.COM
    Created on: 12-Mar-07
    Expires on: 12-Mar-08
    Last Updated on:

    Administrative Contact:
    Productions, Tropical [email protected]
    25 Crested Botte Court
    Shamong, New Jersey 08088
    United States
    5555555555 Fax --

    Technical Contact:
    Productions, Tropical [email protected]
    25 Crested Botte Court
    Shamong, New Jersey 08088
    United States
    5555555555 Fax --

    Domain servers in listed order:
    DNS1.INTERMARKPRODUCTIONS.COM
    DNS2.INTERMARKPRODUCTIONS.COM


    Anyone know anything about this? Why are my stores mirrored on this tropical-productions.com, and where are these sales going?!?! The stores top sold clips are different, so this is obviously getting sales....

    Anyone?
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    "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"
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    • Paul Markham
      Too old to care
      • Jun 2001
      • 52942
      #2
      I would like to know why that is as well. Was thinking of giving Clips4sale some content.



      Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500.
      PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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        • Barefootsies
          Choice is an Illusion
          • Feb 2005
          • 42635
          #3
          Clips4Sale WHOIS

          Registrant:
          Tropical Production LLC.
          8105 Frankford Ave.
          Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19136
          United States

          Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
          Domain Name: CLIPS4SALE.COM
          Created on: 21-Jul-03
          Expires on: 21-Jul-08
          Last Updated on: 04-Jun-07

          Administrative Contact:
          Reichbach, Abe [email protected]
          Tropical Production LLC.
          8105 Frankford Ave.
          Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19136
          United States
          7273672390 Fax -- 7273672402

          Technical Contact:
          Reichbach, Abe [email protected]
          Tropical Production LLC.
          8105 Frankford Ave.
          Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19136
          United States
          7273672390 Fax -- 7273672402

          Domain servers in listed order:
          DNS1.INTERMARKPRODUCTIONS.COM
          DNS2.INTERMARKPRODUCTIONS.COM
          Last edited by Barefootsies; 11-11-2007, 11:09 PM.
          Should You Email Your Members?

          Link1 | Link2 | Link3

          Enough Said.

          "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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            • After Shock Media
              It's coming look busy
              • Mar 2001
              • 35299
              #4
              Has the clips4sale studios always diverted to the www.bjorkmantranstech.com domain?

              [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                • Barefootsies
                  Choice is an Illusion
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 42635
                  #5
                  Originally posted by After Shock Media
                  Has the clips4sale studios always diverted to the www.bjorkmantranstech.com domain?
                  Nope.

                  Funny. When I click the link in this thread (for my clips4sale store) I get redirected to the tropical-productions.com store. Same for the other link.

                  The plot thickens...
                  Should You Email Your Members?

                  Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                  Enough Said.

                  "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                    • CyberHustler
                      Masterbaiter
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 28775
                      #6
                      *que bro theme song*
                      “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                        • Barefootsies
                          Choice is an Illusion
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 42635
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Cyber-Hu$tler
                          *que bro theme song*
                          ?

                          Should You Email Your Members?

                          Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                          Enough Said.

                          "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                            • investadult
                              Registered User
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 20
                              #8
                              Question is , did you get credited sales made in mirrored stores ?

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                                • Barefootsies
                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                  • Feb 2005
                                  • 42635
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by investadult
                                  Question is , did you get credited sales made in mirrored stores ?
                                  Correct.

                                  1. Where are those sales going?
                                  2. Why is there a mirror?
                                  3. and why is the clips4sale url redirecting?
                                  Should You Email Your Members?

                                  Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                  Enough Said.

                                  "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                    • After Shock Media
                                      It's coming look busy
                                      • Mar 2001
                                      • 35299
                                      #10
                                      I was about to go berserk a few days ago after adding several videos per day and not seeing 1 gawd damn sale. This of course has never ever happened. Typically I will see at least 1-4 sales every day I add even 1 video and I went nearly a week with new additions and no new sales. Then oddly today I landed 4 sales which sort of eased my shaving thoughts. Now I see this bullshit. WTF is up?

                                      Domains diverting, new store, fuck I am getting concerned and I do not recall giving any other domains license to sell my shit.

                                      [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                                        • Ryan St. Germain
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Sep 2006
                                          • 1269
                                          #11
                                          there are a number of different url's that mirror the clips4sale stores. They move my stores around constantly, based on volume and traffic.

                                          Sleepyhollow was the url for my store for a while, as well as a few others.
                                          They also divert traffic for processing sales at different points of the day.

                                          I had the same question at one point, worried that perhaps i was getting skimmed, so i actually bought clips via the different urls, and got the sales notices for all of them. I think it has to do with the fact that their traffic and volume fluctuates so wildly that they have some sort of overflow system in place for it. That's why not all the stores are all in the same place for overflow.

                                          I've also had server upgrades and payouts happen on different days, depending on either volume or store numbers (haven't figured that out entirely yet).

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                                            • Ryan St. Germain
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Sep 2006
                                              • 1269
                                              #12
                                              Suncoastproductions.biz/studios/xxxx is the one that my store diverts to when i have good volume days.

                                              i've also noticed this happens more often right before "server upgrade" error messages.
                                              Last edited by Ryan St. Germain; 11-11-2007, 11:45 PM.

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                                                • After Shock Media
                                                  It's coming look busy
                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                  • 35299
                                                  #13
                                                  That info helps some darkcircus, however with my very flakey sales last week (like 7 new videos, several formats each, several speeds each) and walla no sales which has NEVER happened. Ontop of increased store traffic and even a good number of bookmark traffic. I was about to scream to holy hell.

                                                  Then like I said I got a few sales today that released a tiny bit of pressure with them. Though I am still highly concerned, something does not add up.

                                                  [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                      • 42635
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by DarkCircus
                                                      They also divert traffic for processing sales at different points of the day.
                                                      That I did know.

                                                      I was with C4S back in the days when they had run into that issue with PETA or whatever it was. So I know that now they have multiple to make sure that there is no issue like that ever again (good thinking).

                                                      But I have never seen this on my traffic log before. Not to say it may have never been there, but I've never noticed it prior.

                                                      Then when I did the whois, and saw a domain name registered for 1 year, and not matching clips4sale whois other than DNS servers I was like, um, ok what the fuck?

                                                      But I am not accusing C4S of skimming. I am mainly trying to find out what the hell, and if others have noticed, or dealt with this in the past and gotten an explaination.
                                                      Should You Email Your Members?

                                                      Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                      Enough Said.

                                                      "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                        • Ryan St. Germain
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Sep 2006
                                                          • 1269
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                          That info helps some darkcircus, however with my very flakey sales last week (like 7 new videos, several formats each, several speeds each) and walla no sales which has NEVER happened. Ontop of increased store traffic and even a good number of bookmark traffic. I was about to scream to holy hell.

                                                          Then like I said I got a few sales today that released a tiny bit of pressure with them. Though I am still highly concerned, something does not add up.
                                                          I've got a few stores with them, some of which i can add 30 vids to, and get jack from, and others I can add 1 video every couple of days and do very well with.

                                                          Last week was slow for one of my stores, and one of my lower performers had better sales.

                                                          I will say that i think that I've lost sales just due to their not being able to handle the traffic load at times, and I've gotten customer emails asking for help because they couldn't buy at some particular moment.

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                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                              • 42635
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by DarkCircus
                                                              Suncoastproductions.biz/studios/xxxx is the one that my store diverts to when i have good volume days.

                                                              i've also noticed this happens more often right before "server upgrade" error messages.
                                                              Ah. Interesting.

                                                              I normally do not get those messages unless I try and do an update around noon midday. So I avoid it.

                                                              I guess that is when they have insane traffic or something? Anyway, in all the years, I have never noticed a url redirection like this. So that was one of my first questions when the WHOIS doesn't match.

                                                              Then when I saw the top sale clips did not match, I was like, um ok what is going on here?
                                                              Should You Email Your Members?

                                                              Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                              Enough Said.

                                                              "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                • Ryan St. Germain
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Sep 2006
                                                                  • 1269
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                  That I did know.

                                                                  I was with C4S back in the days when they had run into that issue with PETA or whatever it was. So I know that now they have multiple to make sure that there is no issue like that ever again (good thinking).

                                                                  But I have never seen this on my traffic log before. Not to say it may have never been there, but I've never noticed it prior.

                                                                  Then when I did the whois, and saw a domain name registered for 1 year, and not matching clips4sale whois other than DNS servers I was like, um, ok what the fuck?

                                                                  But I am not accusing C4S of skimming. I am mainly trying to find out what the hell, and if others have noticed, or dealt with this in the past and gotten an explaination.
                                                                  I can definately understand why that would cause concern, and I went through a similar deal with them not that long ago, and decided to dig myself.

                                                                  Can it be possible that they are leasing domains or have purchased domains etc for overflow?

                                                                  Also, i've notcies that people that use pure vanilla seem to track oddly too, and their hitting the back button will show a refferal in the traffic stats.

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                                                                    • After Shock Media
                                                                      It's coming look busy
                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                      • 35299
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by DarkCircus
                                                                      I've got a few stores with them, some of which i can add 30 vids to, and get jack from, and others I can add 1 video every couple of days and do very well with.

                                                                      Last week was slow for one of my stores, and one of my lower performers had better sales.

                                                                      I will say that i think that I've lost sales just due to their not being able to handle the traffic load at times, and I've gotten customer emails asking for help because they couldn't buy at some particular moment.
                                                                      I have 1 store and 1 set of customers.
                                                                      It is all exclusive material and not seeing a single sale in a week with increases in traffic and a sizable amount of bookmarker traffic something just seems amiss.

                                                                      [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                                                                        • Ryan St. Germain
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Sep 2006
                                                                          • 1269
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                          Ah. Interesting.

                                                                          I normally do not get those messages unless I try and do an update around noon midday. So I avoid it.

                                                                          I guess that is when they have insane traffic or something? Anyway, in all the years, I have never noticed a url redirection like this. So that was one of my first questions when the WHOIS doesn't match.

                                                                          Then when I saw the top sale clips did not match, I was like, um ok what is going on here?
                                                                          Yeah, they have HUGe trafic at about 9am, noon, 3pm, and about 6pm (all west coast time). I see the site go down around midnight west coast, with a "will return at 4am" message when it's down for me.

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                                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                              • 42635
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by DarkCircus
                                                                              I've got a few stores with them, some of which i can add 30 vids to, and get jack from, and others I can add 1 video every couple of days and do very well with.

                                                                              Last week was slow for one of my stores, and one of my lower performers had better sales.

                                                                              I will say that i think that I've lost sales just due to their not being able to handle the traffic load at times, and I've gotten customer emails asking for help because they couldn't buy at some particular moment.
                                                                              There is a method to the madness.

                                                                              I have received e-mails from a few dozen... easily... asking why they are not getting good sales. I worked with a company that had me consult for them a few years back, and they were having issues turning C4S into a gold mine.

                                                                              Personally I've always done very well with C4S every month. But I have heard of plenty who do not do well, and can't figure out why. Some are easy... Their content's garbage. Others, their descriptions suck ass. While others do no promotion of any kind and expect C4S to do everything for them, and sale are to roll in like a winning lotto ticket.

                                                                              Neil does a lot of good promo stuff with the site to drive additional traffic. But ultimately the site is not just a few hundred stores anymore. You are swimming with the sharks baby. So you have some SERIOUS competition now a days.

                                                                              You must figure out what works for your shit, and promote the hell out of it.
                                                                              Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                              Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                              Enough Said.

                                                                              "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                • Ryan St. Germain
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Sep 2006
                                                                                  • 1269
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                                                  I have 1 store and 1 set of customers.
                                                                                  It is all exclusive material and not seeing a single sale in a week with increases in traffic and a sizable amount of bookmarker traffic something just seems amiss.
                                                                                  I understand, and that does seem odd. I've had some slow days, but I don't think i've gone more than a day without a sale since the month I launched.

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                                                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                      • 42635
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by DarkCircus
                                                                                      I can definately understand why that would cause concern, and I went through a similar deal with them not that long ago, and decided to dig myself.

                                                                                      Can it be possible that they are leasing domains or have purchased domains etc for overflow?

                                                                                      Also, i've notcies that people that use pure vanilla seem to track oddly too, and their hitting the back button will show a refferal in the traffic stats.
                                                                                      It's definately possible. They have grown into a mammoth where are certain times of the day the site's off the hook, and slow as shit. Which is good for sales, but bad when you are in a hurry to do your updates.

                                                                                      They have had insane growth over the years, and I've never had an issue with them.
                                                                                      Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                      Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                      Enough Said.

                                                                                      "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                        • Ryan St. Germain
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Sep 2006
                                                                                          • 1269
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                          There is a method to the madness.

                                                                                          I have received e-mails from a few dozen... easily... asking why they are not getting good sales. I worked with a company that had me consult for them a few years back, and they were having issues turning C4S into a gold mine.

                                                                                          Personally I've always done very well with C4S every month. But I have heard of plenty who do not do well, and can't figure out why. Some are easy... Their content's garbage. Others, their descriptions suck ass. While others do no promotion of any kind and expect C4S to do everything for them, and sale are to roll in like a winning lotto ticket.

                                                                                          Neil does a lot of good promo stuff with the site to drive additional traffic. But ultimately the site is not just a few hundred stores anymore. You are swimming with the sharks baby. So you have some SERIOUS competition now a days.

                                                                                          You must figure out what works for your shit, and promote the hell out of it.
                                                                                          I agree, definately. I do very well with them on most of my stores, and have a pretty good formula for new projects. It's only once in a while that something will underperfrom when i expect it to do well, but not every idea is a goldmine, heh.

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                                                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                              • 42635
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by DarkCircus
                                                                                              I understand, and that does seem odd. I've had some slow days, but I don't think i've gone more than a day without a sale since the month I launched.
                                                                                              Same here.

                                                                                              I get at least a few sales daily (when I do not do updates). But typically sales are consistent. Obviously higher on days of updates, and the day after. Also pay days.. Thurs, Fri, Sat.

                                                                                              I do not think I have ever had a day without a single sale.
                                                                                              Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                              Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                              Enough Said.

                                                                                              "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                • Barefootsies
                                                                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                                  • 42635
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by DarkCircus
                                                                                                  I agree, definately. I do very well with them on most of my stores, and have a pretty good formula for new projects. It's only once in a while that something will underperfrom when i expect it to do well, but not every idea is a goldmine, heh.
                                                                                                  Indeed.

                                                                                                  But I know for me, after the first store, I figured out the formula that works for us. I have also tinkered with new shit over time. Some worked, some didn't. But for us, I can get the money we lay out in a shoot back in 30-45 days alone from C4S. This doesn't include the DVD, website membership, etc. etc.

                                                                                                  So for us, we make back our money in no longer than 45 days. Some girls really strike a cord, and it's broke even in 15 days. But again, there is a method to making a successful store, and getting the shit rolling money before launching a site behind it, DVD, and so forth.

                                                                                                  If you know what you are doing, C4S is a goldmine.
                                                                                                  Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                                  Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                                  Enough Said.

                                                                                                  "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                    • After Shock Media
                                                                                                      It's coming look busy
                                                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                                                      • 35299
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                      Same here.

                                                                                                      I get at least a few sales daily (when I do not do updates). But typically sales are consistent. Obviously higher on days of updates, and the day after. Also pay days.. Thurs, Fri, Sat.

                                                                                                      I do not think I have ever had a day without a single sale.
                                                                                                      This last week was my first day, then second, then third, fourth, and fifth without sales. I can understand the occassional fluke but gawd damn. I also do not just update my stores and count on internal traffic. I feed that damn site despite them STILL not having a FUCKING refferal program.
                                                                                                      I appreciate the site and all but damn someone really needs to get off their greed chair, set up an affiliate program and upgrade to handle what is needed so people do not get timed out or that I do not go a week with no sales.

                                                                                                      [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                                                                                                        • After Shock Media
                                                                                                          It's coming look busy
                                                                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                                                                          • 35299
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Barefootsie please be willing to share notes of help another out. In seperate niches I am sure.

                                                                                                          [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                                                                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                              • 42635
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                                                                              This last week was my first day, then second, then third, fourth, and fifth without sales. I can understand the occassional fluke but gawd damn. I also do not just update my stores and count on internal traffic. I feed that damn site despite them STILL not having a FUCKING refferal program.
                                                                                                              I appreciate the site and all but damn someone really needs to get off their greed chair, set up an affiliate program and upgrade to handle what is needed so people do not get timed out or that I do not go a week with no sales.
                                                                                                              Ouch!

                                                                                                              I can definitely understand your frustrations on your situation. If I went a few days, or a week without a sale, I would be worried as well.
                                                                                                              Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                                              Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                                              Enough Said.

                                                                                                              "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                  • 42635
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                                                                                  Barefootsie please be willing to share notes of help another out. In seperate niches I am sure.
                                                                                                                  Well we are a small productions company, so I had to do a lot of hands on in the beginning to make sure we made our money back. In the first store, it took me a good 3 months or so to figure out what drives sales, and how to promote things.

                                                                                                                  I then tried some things on the next store, and before launching the site, and had varied success. But by the third, fourth, fifth I had it down cold. What works for a successful launch, and doesn't.

                                                                                                                  Also what works for me on the additional outside promotion side of things to drive more sales, and new people. I LOVE LOVE LOVE when a new person finds one of my sites and I get those $50-150 single sale notifications where they bought a shit load of clips. Always gives me a chub.
                                                                                                                  Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                                                  Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                                                  Enough Said.

                                                                                                                  "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                    • After Shock Media
                                                                                                                      It's coming look busy
                                                                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                      • 35299
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Err thanks

                                                                                                                      I.E. Keep working your stores, give it time, and watch the trends. Thanks

                                                                                                                      [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                                                                                                                        • Ryan St. Germain
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Sep 2006
                                                                                                                          • 1269
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                          Indeed.

                                                                                                                          But I know for me, after the first store, I figured out the formula that works for us. I have also tinkered with new shit over time. Some worked, some didn't. But for us, I can get the money we lay out in a shoot back in 30-45 days alone from C4S. This doesn't include the DVD, website membership, etc. etc.

                                                                                                                          So for us, we make back our money in no longer than 45 days. Some girls really strike a cord, and it's broke even in 15 days. But again, there is a method to making a successful store, and getting the shit rolling money before launching a site behind it, DVD, and so forth.

                                                                                                                          If you know what you are doing, C4S is a goldmine.
                                                                                                                          Yes, i can typically get my money back in a week on c4s, and I don't even bother with dvd's. I have membership sites that I use as archives (plus a few exclusives), and I use that as gravy, really.

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                                                                                                                            • Ryan St. Germain
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Sep 2006
                                                                                                                              • 1269
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Barefootsies

                                                                                                                              I LOVE LOVE LOVE when a new person finds one of my sites and I get those $50-150 single sale notifications where they bought a shit load of clips. Always gives me a chub.
                                                                                                                              yes, that always makes for a great day ;)

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                                                                                                                                • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                                                                                                  Err thanks

                                                                                                                                  I.E. Keep working your stores, give it time, and watch the trends. Thanks
                                                                                                                                  I would never post the, "ancient Chinese secrets", for everyone on the forum old chum.

                                                                                                                                  To give you any advice, I would need to know a lot more of how you are set up anyway to be able to help you. If you have a network of sites, and how you promote them, and niches, etc.

                                                                                                                                  Unfortunately there is not simple answer. But there is a method to the madness. That I can assure you.

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                                                                                                                                  "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                      • 42635
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by DarkCircus
                                                                                                                                      Yes, i can typically get my money back in a week on c4s, and I don't even bother with dvd's. I have membership sites that I use as archives (plus a few exclusives), and I use that as gravy, really.
                                                                                                                                      Yep. All depends. This month is fucking rockin'! Nice to have the winter months back. But I am also working on some added promotion angles, so we should be about 75%-100% higher than last month if we continue on our pace. Which is nice on the 12th day of the month to have 75% of last month's number.

                                                                                                                                      Same here. If we did JUST C4S we would still be profitable easily. As long as you are recouping your expenses in 30-45 days. You should be rockin within 90 days if your content's worth a shit.

                                                                                                                                      So the websites, custom work, and DVD are just added gravy.
                                                                                                                                      Last edited by Barefootsies; 11-12-2007, 12:25 AM.
                                                                                                                                      Should You Email Your Members?

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                                                                                                                                      Enough Said.

                                                                                                                                      "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                                        • Ryan St. Germain
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                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2006
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                          Yep. All depends. This month is fucking rockin'! Nice to have the winter months back. But I am also working on some added promotion angles, so we should be about 75%-100% higher than last month if we continue on our pace. Which is nice on the 12th day of the month to have 75% of last month's number.

                                                                                                                                          Same here. If we did JUST C4S we would still be profitable easily. So the websites, custom work, and DVD are just added gravy.
                                                                                                                                          that's excellent! This month is definately a promising month; last year November and December were the breakout months.
                                                                                                                                          Last edited by Ryan St. Germain; 11-12-2007, 12:28 AM.

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                                                                                                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                              • 42635
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by DarkCircus
                                                                                                                                              that's excellent!
                                                                                                                                              Indeed it is my friend. But those week's where we have the holidays tend to be slow for us. So going into thanksgiving should be a nice month. I just have to repeat the process in December before Xmas, and then it's smooth sailing to the end of 07.

                                                                                                                                              Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                                                                              Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                                                                              Enough Said.

                                                                                                                                              "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                                                • Ryan St. Germain
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                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2006
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                  Indeed it is my friend. But those week's where we have the holidays tend to be slow for us. So going into thanksgiving should be a nice month. I just have to repeat the process in December before Xmas, and then it's smooth sailing to the end of 07.

                                                                                                                                                  Holiday weeks are actually alright for us, as long as we are consistent leading up to the holiday, and then take the day of the holiday off. We typically will do a themed clip the week before, and email everyone on our mailing list to tell them. The only holiday weeks that things don't do as well are the ones where there are big outdoor events, and thent he day before everyone goes back to work is typically HUGE late in the evening.

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                                                                                                                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2005
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by DarkCircus
                                                                                                                                                      This month is definately a promising month; last year November and December were the breakout months.
                                                                                                                                                      Well our sales only drop about 15% in the summer months. But I always like those cold months for that nice little extra.
                                                                                                                                                      Should You Email Your Members?

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                                                                                                                                                      Enough Said.

                                                                                                                                                      "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                                                        • Ryan St. Germain
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                                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2006
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                          Well our sales only drop about 15% in the summer months. But I always like those cold months for that nice little extra.
                                                                                                                                                          July was the only slow month for us, but we aso took a little time off, so that could have been our own doing. August was our best month, to date.

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                                                                                                                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                              • 42635
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by DarkCircus
                                                                                                                                                              day before everyone goes back to work is typically HUGE late in the evening.
                                                                                                                                                              Yes it is.
                                                                                                                                                              Should You Email Your Members?

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                                                                                                                                                              Enough Said.

                                                                                                                                                              "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                                                                • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by DarkCircus
                                                                                                                                                                  July was the only slow month for us, but we aso took a little time off, so that could have been our own doing. August was our best month, to date.
                                                                                                                                                                  Same here. I tried some different angles on promotion, but cut back on frequency. Also tried some different times of the days to catch the Europeans.

                                                                                                                                                                  Needless to say, it was our slowest month of the year.
                                                                                                                                                                  Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                                                                                                  Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                                                                                                  Enough Said.

                                                                                                                                                                  "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Ryan St. Germain
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2006
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                      Same here. I tried some different angles on promotion, but cut back on frequency. Also tried some different times of the days to catch the Europeans.

                                                                                                                                                                      Needless to say, it was our slowest month of the year.
                                                                                                                                                                      yes, early morning here is great for european sales.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                          • 42635
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by DarkCircus
                                                                                                                                                                          yes, early morning here is great for european sales.
                                                                                                                                                                          How you do your newsletters, and updates are key. But one piece of the puzzle.
                                                                                                                                                                          Should You Email Your Members?

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                                                                                                                                                                          Enough Said.

                                                                                                                                                                          "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Zester
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by investadult
                                                                                                                                                                              Question is , did you get credited sales made in mirrored stores ?
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                              Correct.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. Where are those sales going?
                                                                                                                                                                              2. Why is there a mirror?
                                                                                                                                                                              3. and why is the clips4sale url redirecting?
                                                                                                                                                                              I may of missed something right here...

                                                                                                                                                                              Barefootsies, i'm not clear on this: ARE you being credited for sales made in mirrored stores ?
                                                                                                                                                                              * Mainstream ? $65 per sale
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                                                                                                                                                                                • After Shock Media
                                                                                                                                                                                  It's coming look busy
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 35299
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Speaking of newsletters, has anyone noticed a real bad slowdown since we can no longer see the full email addresses?

                                                                                                                                                                                  [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 42635
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Zester
                                                                                                                                                                                      I may of missed something right here...

                                                                                                                                                                                      Barefootsies, i'm not clear on this: ARE you being credited for sales made in mirrored stores ?
                                                                                                                                                                                      That's the million dollar question chief. I do not know.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Should You Email Your Members?

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Enough Said.

                                                                                                                                                                                      "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 42635
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                                                                                                                                                          Speaking of newsletters, has anyone noticed a real bad slowdown since we can no longer see the full email addresses?
                                                                                                                                                                                          They manually approve your newsletter (Neil or whomever).

                                                                                                                                                                                          I notice that, at times, can take longer. But they did that to prevent spam or something. I can't recall the whole explaination.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                                                                                                                          Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                                                                                                                          Enough Said.

                                                                                                                                                                                          "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Ryan St. Germain
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Sep 2006
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                                              That's the million dollar question chief. I do not know.
                                                                                                                                                                                              i spent a couple dollars to buy a clip and got the answer for myself; yes, i got credit for the sale.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Ryan St. Germain
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2006
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                                                  They manually approve your newsletter (Neil or whomever).

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I notice that, at times, can take longer. But they did that to prevent spam or something. I can't recall the whole explaination.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I sent an email at 6am today, and it was delivered by 10am. I ahve had emails disappear entirely though. You can tell by the bounced mail, before you even get the sent receipt.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • After Shock Media
                                                                                                                                                                                                      It's coming look busy
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 35299
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                                                                      They manually approve your newsletter (Neil or whomever).

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I notice that, at times, can take longer. But they did that to prevent spam or something. I can't recall the whole explaination.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think it was cause someone was trying to spam their own clips site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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