Paul Markham

Numbers mean shit today.

Look at the numbers of Vietnamese who died and ask yourself if you're ready to die in those numbers.

The problem with these two idiots is they don't have a fucking clue about the real world. What they don't consider is how a government take over, would take effect. It would be a popular movement, much like what happened in Germany and other places. Convince a sizeable proportion of the public, if not the majority, the new way is the best way, then take over. It's happened so many times it's amazing they didn't think of it.

The best and only way for the the majority of the public to fight the Government isn't with armed rebellion against a vastly superior fighting force. It's the way it's been done many times before. Like how the Vietnam war was stopped, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, etc. Withdraw your labour and watch the Government listen.

If there ever was this ridiculous scenario of the US going the route of Libya the only thing that will save them is the Army switching side and a massive intervention as happened in Libya. While Assad has the army on his side, the armed rebels don't stand a chance.

It's amazing how little respect these two have for the abilities of their army.

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L-Pink

Paul, When it comes to door to door warfare the Army has never experienced the firepower and bad attitude the average US city would throw their way.

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helterskelter808

Even the Vietnamese haven't done so against their own Government, which even now can't match the power of the US in the 1960s. There's a huge difference between fighting (or wanting to fight) against foreign aggression and fighting against your own Government/people.

Likewise, the US Government wasn't fighting for its own survival in Vietnam, but it would be against a domestic insurgency.

The Government has everything on its side, firepower, intelligence, surveillance, propaganda. Timothy McVeigh isn't considered a patriot by most Americans, is he? A revolution wouldn't stand a chance without mass defections from the military, and even then it would be a long drawn out civil war that would take the US back to the stone age. There aren't many Americans who'd want to do that, and understandably so.

The Second Amendment has nothing to do with defending against tyranny, and everything to do with maintaining profits for gun companies.

Paul Markham

Thinking about it in greater depth, it becomes obvious how right Scotty and Buzzard are. Because without them on guard imagine what could happen in the US.

A small minority elite could take over the Government by donating massive funds to politicians for campaigning to the public, putting on grand shows that fool the electorate into voting for their selected men. Then bribing politicians to make sure the laws they want get passed, or when a bad one slips through to look after all the citizens, people cry out against it. Usually supporting the businesses of the elite.

Then getting politicians to run up massive debts for the citizens, their children, grandchildren and maybe even their great grandchildren will have to repay. A massive slice of the debt would be used to fund wars, all supported by the hardware they supply, in countries where the elite's business need to have power or influence.

While letting the public have their toys and illusion of power.

That would never happen in the US, with the highly educated, logical and sensible armed guards looking after the people. So an elite majority don't take over the country.

Not while these guys are on guard.



Problem with sheep is they don't know shit.

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SuckOnThis

Funny thing about retarded people and NRA lying fuckheads, they don't realize treaties cannot override the US Constitution.

epitome

Truthers are pathetic people. They supposedly know the truth and then do nothing about it. A bunch of losers that can't accomplish shit.

Kind of embarrassing to be a holder of the truth

Jel

Paul Markham

Very true. About sheep not knowing they have been eaten.

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epitome

Truthers think they possess an intelligence others lack. They can see how everybody is being manipulated.

If they're so smart about manipulation how come they cannot manipulate others to see the truth?

All of that supposed intelligence going to waste.

Or most likely they lack it in the first place.

2MuchMark

Gun control is a very necessary thing. Get over it. Too many people have too many unnecessary guns and too many people are DYING because of it.

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ninavain

I have learned that "manipulation" of one another is the problem..my reality is MINE as yours is to you...If you believe there is a God on a throne using his hand to smite thee..then it becomes REAL to YOU. I choose another way and that is my reality..even if you and I see the same thing at the same time..we have two different interpretations...it's OK to not see what I see...but as you are calling me dumb and almost angry that I have a different view...I am merely showing you possible scenerios that could be taking place...I would call you sheep, because you refuse to even question both sides... I take ALL information not just what the 4 news channels give me... because I know they are built to structure your mind and guide your belief system.....and don't just look at 1 case at 1 time... look at the picture that the puzzle pieces create...at the time you study small pieces the edges look unrelated to other pieces of different sizes and shapes...but when joined together the BIG picture starts to take form and reveal itself.

It's ok to feel the way you feel..I'm not judging you...carry on

ninavain

I actually agree with this...I'm not a NRA guy...I hate guns...but I also lost a sibling to a senseless murder.. so I know just how evil a man can be..so I at least would like to RIGHT to bear arms and protect my family

Jel

If anything, the IlluminatiworldorderMasons want as many firearms as possible on the streets so as many dumb fucks as possible carry on killing each other. Less people = less fighters for the reptilian army to worry about when the time comes. Or something like that.

Dirty F

Simon is quickly turning into a second Johnnyclips. Soon he'll be starting conspiracy threads all fucking day.
It isn't surprising really. We all know he is dumb as hell. Smart people don't suddenly turn into truthers.

epitome

You missed my point, which proves my point.

L-Pink

And you would go about this, how?

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epitome

Rounding them up and selling them to Mexican drug lords. Duh!

L-Pink

There is a better chance of auto related death by texter where is the outrage there?

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epitome

Ugh its been at least a day since I've seen one of those commercials. Don't remind me.

ninavain

ok let me speak your language then, dumb ass..you asked why I don't manipulate your mind and I answered..I don't want or fucking need to... you have your own free will..use it idiot.


there..was that clear enough for your country ass

ninavain

you are one of the really weak people on this board.. you have nothing remotely interesting to say or even to bitch about...sit in your shit flat and call guys names...so you can feel tough for a minute, then retreat to your bathroom and pound out your 5th cum load of the day... jump back on here..to vaguely stir the pot in a thread that does not show you any attention.

You're...weak, angry, lonely..gfy is your outlet, your connection to life..hope you find happiness out there somewhere instead of hand-fucking yourself to sleep to hide your pain, while using your tears as lube

DWB

Yea, screw those stupid people who seek The Truth!

Lies are what's up. The Truth is for suckas.

anexsia

Or maybe it's all of the "texters" who really control the world and have a secret messaging system going on to manipulate the world leaders??

epitome

Then quit bitching if you're not going to do anything.

epitome

Now the black hawks are going to land in your backyard.

epitome

Here is a logical thought. People have known that they were going to sign it anyway and there was no outrage. This incident brought it to the forefront. If they were already going to sign it and nobody cared, why an event?

BlackCrayon

we'll see what if anything really changes after this is signed but i think the fact that this guy ordered so much crazy shit and was never flagged is something that needs to change. people ordering an arsenal of guns and gear should be checked into to make sure they aren't up to anything.

and i've yet to see this incident be used as a reason to pass this.

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BlackCrayon

these people don't have any idea what the truth is, they just automatically assume that the truth must be the opposite of what is bein reported. there is a term for that. its called paranoid.

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DTK

no, it's called accepting reality (the truth must be the opposite of what is bein reported) and looking into what really is the truth.

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BlackCrayon

how is that reality? please explain.

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epitome

So everything that happens has a fabricated story? No crazy people, no accidents, no random acts... all scripted? And you think believing that is normal?

keysync

Have you noticed how many times NBC has been caught for editing videos shown on the news to fit their story with in the last couple months?

They lost the last shred of credibility they had left with that.

News should be cut and dry truth not propaganda.

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There's a theory that he wants his day in court, like Brevik, so he can give his message. that might be interesting.

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brassmonkey

look at this ok big brother has some plans.

When the treaty was originally proposed by the United Nations in 2006, the U.S. voted against the resolution, but the Obama Administration and several U.S. representatives revived it in 2010.

Advocates for gun control believe that by regulating and restricting the right to possess a firearm, violence will be reduced - that fewer guns will mean less crime. In fact, the opposite has been shown to be true. In 2008, our nation?s capital was ordered to lift a thirty year ban on handguns after a federal court tossed out the prohibition. Soon after the ruling was announced, Mayor Adrian Fenty held a press conference where he declared, ?More guns very simply lead to more violence.? But according to FBI statistics, since Washington D.C.?s gun ban was implemented, the murder rate for the district increased while the nation?s murder rate declined. After the injunction against handguns was lifted, from 2008 to 2009, murders in the district fell twenty-five percent.

full article...

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ninavain

the NWO is moving fast

wake up

Dirty F

So retardboy, you are clearly wide awake and completely aware what's going on. Now what? What are doing abou it besides calling people on gfy sheep? How if your life different than mine since you woke up?

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ninavain

simple...when you woke up this morning, you were still in your mom's basement and still dumb as fuck.

Paul Markham

Can one of the conspiracy theorist tell us what the conspiracy is, we should all fear. And then tell us what the US Government would have to do, to make them take up arms?

Because from what I can see they already own your asses and have little else to gain.

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Tom_PM

It's strange that some people say the US government wants more gun control when under Obama the only thing passed on guns is to allow them to be carried in national parks.

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helterskelter808

That's my issue with these people who talk a lot of shit about what they'd do if the Government came for their guns. Particularly over the last decade the Government has been stripping away rights, giving more power to authorities, creating more crimes and less oversight, more surveillance, and these people do nothing but talk about what they'll do on message boards. Sheep just waiting to be devoured.

It's probably a thought crime to suggest that Timothy McVeigh was a patriot, but he's classed as a terrorist for standing up against Government aggression and murder. Most ordinary people probably think of him as a terrorist or a nut, likewise militias, perhaps because of the children that were killed at Oklahoma. And yet the US Government killed more kids at Waco, and many people think that was just the Government dealing with a bunch of crazies who deserved what they got. Ordinary people can be very fascistic.

So the only man to stand up to the Government is deemed a terrorist, the Government walks all over the people, and yet all these brave patriots keep saying is what they'll do "if" the Government does something. While the Government just laughs and carries on doing whatever it likes, because it knows nobody actually has the courage of their convictions to do anything to stop it.

Dirty F

No answer...what a surprise.

Paul Markham

helterskelter808 is right on most things. OK on Timothy McVeigh and the militia he's wrong.

Yet he's spot on about the US Government eroding right and Americans sitting back and taking it. So again, what would it take for the US public mostly all to take up arms?

Waco, children were kept in by their parents. Oklahoma no one was given the choice. Waco was the fault of David Koresh and his flock of sheep.

Militias are men playing soldiers, they wouldn't last long in a real conflict.

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Waiting fot someone to tell me about the conspiracy we should all be scared of.

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theking

The U.S. is a Democratic Republic and the Government is run by those elected to represent the people in governance and the people have access to the ear of those that have been elected to represent them 24/7 and are free to express their pleasure or displeasure of what the Government is doing. The people can replace those that represent them every 2...four...and six years...if they do not like their performance. In between those periods of time the people can call for the impeachment or replacement of many of the positions in government.

As long as the U.S. remains a Democratic Republic there will never be a need to take up weapons against the Government as the power of governance remains in the hands of the people...they get the Government the majority either wants or that they deserve for not doing their due diligence in exercising their role in "for the people and by the people".

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Paul Markham

So buy the election process with money, flood the economy with borrowed money to make it look good for the voters and you own the country.

Under the US system, voters considered electing an old man who's a cancer survivor with a running mate who's as dumb as shit?

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The people get get the Government the majority either wants...or that they deserve...for not doing their due diligence in exercising their role in "for the people and by the people".

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DTK

Yeah because things happen exactly like we were taught in 8th grade civics class

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