Cause I will crash this fucken thread and NOBODYS gonna ban me and IF they do they I can finally pull my pics and quit wasteing time

Fuck you, you pompous asshole

will cleaning your house result in a cleaner house or is a house once dirty impossible to clean?


same goes for file lockers what ever the answer is above :D

I started abouts Jan

pumped in months of effort, and sales are really slow

chose the niche big tits, cos i love women with huge knockers, prob not the best way to choose what to become an affiliate for....

but you live and learn, going to keep plugging away till i find a way to make some money, that or go nuts from my day job!

Edited: to protect the innocent :) me and cause I see the twits getting their panties in a bunch

Oh and this ones for you cause I see lots of hate towards me from YOU dickhead..



I was about to leave this thread but the "boys" had to cock off so now it's on.

Lets play baybee.

Cause Catman loves this shit. I have MORE hate than ALL you fucks put together :) Fill up the stands and lets roll. Your turn.

Shut the fuck up and were even.

You are a rude asshole BF. And slap happy is just a shit stain to me who means ZERO

Dont fuck with me man. I never throw the first punch but I will throw the last one.

Yes I am. However, I wan't being rude to you, any more than I am rude to Paul. I bust his balls on occasion as well.

No idea what up with all this madness, but knock yourself out with your videos and rantings.

:2 cents:

Good post top notch.
:thumbsup

Fair enough. One time I posted and you popped in to say "thanks for staing the obvious"

then after posting what I felt was heart felt advice for the newer guys, couple just posted,

and you and ass slappy BELITTLE me with a smart comment.

Ok ya bust balls. Strike two. Next time you strike out and I am in all your threads "busting balls"

It was a rude comment pal. Guys like me. That says it ALL. To be liked on a shit hole board like this takes talent :)

So if YOU dont like me then YOU are SHIT gauranteed LOL

Gauranteed. Yes it is a popularity contest and I have an ARMY of friends on here.

No offense bud, but threats are not going to change my behavior.

If you are trying to be helpful to noobs and what not, that's fine. I suppose that can take a lot of time. However, I do not know you, nor ever fought with you, so if I make some remark is passing you should take it for what it's worth. By that I mean, a complete stranger on some forum.

I have no idea what you do, or do not do. I guess you said you're an affiliate, well that's fine and dandy. I do not really care one way or the other as it does not effect my business nor revenue. I suppose everyone serves a purpose within the industry.

If you're offended by some passing remark that had no malice intent, my apologies. That being said, I am not going to change who I am, or how I post, because you are giving me 'strike one' and 'strike two' threats on some comments not even meant to slam you.

:2 cents:

Ya know why? Cause I am for real! And I NEVER slap someone for the fuck of it.

It is called class and some folks see that.

respect me and I respect you.. dont and this happens :)



cause ass slappy likes vids a LOT :)

and so do I :)

THIS is what is wrong with this board. No class. You ALL are MOSTLY rude dirtballs. Phoney fucks.

I am for REAL assholes. Real deal. No BS.

This might be the most intellegent thing I have read in a long time, and I am not being sarcastic.

The only money making days that are over is what we experienced in the very early days, when I wanted a new car, build a free site, get linked on 4-5 link lists, or work a page into google or yahoo selling Pam and Tommy, get a site DMOZ approved, and go buy a new car.

So yes the easy money days are over, now you have to work, harder or smarter.

I am looking to buy CCBill joins, as many as possible, tell me what you can send, and I will build the site you want, PPS, 75% rev share, you get to name your parameters.

There is a catch though: You actually need to be able to send joins

Good ol days - I wasn't around when they were here, so today, right now, this year, last year, next year are the "good ol days' for us.

Piracy - Something needs to be done about it. If I had it my way, I round all the thieves up, lock em in a huge plexi-glass box with a million deadly scorpions; then watch as the life is poisoned out of each and every one of them. Then I'd piss on their corpses.

Our flagship site, Trike Patrol, is a constant battle with piracy. It's a never ending battle that does nothing but drain time, energy and resources. Sales for this site are still good - and constantly growing - but I think they would be even better if there were no piracy.

Our latest site - Filipina Sex Diary - has no issues with piracy at this time. The worst thing I've seen are a few people asking for help on downloading our videos using rtmpdump. Thus far, none have been successful. This site offers no downloads. As an end result, as of right now, we don't have to worry about battling piracy.

Doesn't mean piracy as a whole doesn't still affect us, because it affects everyone. But I personally believe that if you do everything you can to combat it, and make a product worth paying for on top of that, there is still money to be made.

As I stated in the Paul Markham thread, for the past 2 years we've doubled our profits from the previous year... and we're projecting to damn near double again this year.

Now, we're just a small 2 man operation that just recently became a 3.5 man operation so naturally, our success is in the eye of the beholder. Are we making anywhere near as much as the 'big boys' like brazzers, bangbros, etc? Not hardly.. Are we turning a good enough profit that not only allows us to put food on the table but also allows us to live life and is ever increasing? yes indeed, we are.

Fair enough. You are entitiled to your opinion. Ass Slappy if ya seach "Vjo" has a prob with me so I NOW have a prob with him and you got dragged along a bit.

What hurts BF is I spent 3 hours posting here what I THOUGHT was good info and then a guy ass slappy posts a lil jab.

Maybe Markham (and I) have a point or two to make. At any rate I realize as CandyFlip said why eventually noone bothers to give real thoughts cause there is always one swine.

Maybe I should have thicker skin. Anyhow whatever. All posting is a waste of time and tonights was ONCE AGAIN a waste of time.

Maybe I will pull images for a month this time cause a few swine dont deserve nothing but SHIT!

pearls before swine.. something I learned in the fucken 90s but still hasnt sunk in I guess :)

People are just fucking PIGS. KILL em ALL. Right Sadie LOL :)

OK carry on. I have real work to do :)

There I took your thread to over 1000 imps from 800 in 3 hours :)

If I stick around it will keep rising :)

Ass slappy I owe you a couple more ass slappys. Expect them when you least want me there. Then LIKE YOU WERE TO ME, I will be there to fuck with you pal.

And we will see if you speak more than two words EVER or if you are a third world pussy as I suspect!

Expect me when you least want me. Then I will get even pal.

Ok back to the usual boring bullshit.. ya know..

affils are doomed
dont listen to Paul Markham (or Vjo :) )
blah blah blah
blah blah blah
yawnnnn :)

I should be paid for bringing some fun to this miserable sinking ship. Buddy says hi. And FUCK YOU to all those who said he should not run. 3.0! Goes right where he should.

Seriously. And much LOVE to those who said let him run.

End thread Hi-jack!

Back to whatever it was

yawwwwwnnn :)

Stage is all yours BF :) Sorry. Price ya pay for those 300 imps overnight. You can buy me a beer someday :)

yank-yank
northerner-northerner
snow-snow
collegeeducated-collegeeducated

$200 proves it :)

ect-ect

who gave ya love about a year and 1/2 back when the mob was out?

No probs with BF. Good dude. Miss him on Sin2.0 or whatever :)

OK BACK to whatever it was. Watch out for ass slappy. He likes to be a lil bitch. And he doesnt LIKE vids.

So puhhhhleeeeease no vids.

What is this thing with vids? Third world countries dont like vids and WE in America should care?

Ok back to whatever (again) :)

I switched from Cream to Clapton so I think I will be OK now :)

one more for you know who



now leave me alone :)

Jeff seriously thank you and nice to see you around :)

Anyone who has been around knows in the end it comes down to just that: building sites.

Now that is simplistic BUT that is what the new guy must do. Now within that lies a thousand details.

That is seriously simple but seriously good advice and WHY I got a lil hot headed when i was dissed and compared to Paul. j/k Paul :)

I agree with many of Paul's points actually. Only a fool would think a guy 60 something (Paul) or 50 something (me) doesnt know a thing or two.

I dont lay it all out there but I have a few tricks in my arsonel from being in the biz about 16 years as ONLY an affil and one who is thriving lately. My best year since 2006!

So thanks again Jeff for some old school love :)

As far as your orig q BF.. The biz is mostly fucked in the ass. File lockers will milk the masses until like old music, old porn is completely benign and worthless on the market.

Noone will produce any new mainstream porn worth a damn and soon all sales will be dead. It is already leveraged highly and only those sites that offer VALUE or supposedly SUPERB RECURRING, HIGHLY NICHE content (where are those?) sell.

I have my doubts as many high quality niche sites dont sell or recur for a damn.

VALUE is king today. Lots of porn for less as in $12.99 for 1000 sites. I am sure that sells well.

Cause $12.99 for 1000 sites ripped is about the value of porn today. Tomorrow it wont be worth shit unless marketed very well or highly targeted.

Note to self: Diversify soon.

The only way you get back to the early days of the net, is if you get worldwide gov't laws with teeth that regulate piracy as well as nudity/xrated content available for free and not behind an age verification paywall.

Without those two things, then it will never been like it was in 98-04.

Of course as Paul Markham would say :) more traffic and giving more away will lessen the decline for those with lots of content to give away.

But they (major old progs) can stop spamming my inbox cause to sell their site when they are leveraging all their content on the tubes is rediculous.

Yes the affil is dead (for THAT paysite, not all) if the paysite gives it all away which they almost all do now.

Go for the short term HIGH traffic and profits or hang in there and keep your content sealed for long term growth. Obviously they have done the math and now days it is all about giving it all away in one last deperate hodge podge mass exodus of free porn to get more traffic.

Paul is RIGHT on that. It may take a few years but porn is NOT gonna sell better unless major policy by the govt stamps out piracy and that is doubtful. And if the owner gives it away for traffic then it is not piracy but legal.

Only thing keeping me from having a rip site? When I think about it.. nothing. Noone will do shit if I set one up. Maybe a c&d or two. No prob.

It is where the money is now days.

From day ONE in adult when we used to circle jerk surfers and blind link the piss out of them and we were lieing and being dishonest to them and one step ahead of the game (law as it were) has always made you the most money.

Nothing has changed. Just the stakes are a bit higher if ya dont want c&ds or be thought of as a "bad guy" I guess.

Money (oron) talks and BS (your morals) walks. If they cut me a deal tomorrow making me 6 figs I would say goodbye to morals immediately as would most of you.

The dirty secret is to be a medium pirate today. Not Long John Silver. Then youll never get sued. And if you are smart you can always remain Judgement Proof.

Fuck um. Play hard ball with their content. They obviously dont care if you are in the soup line.

Every dog for themselves as we all sell the increasing worthless commodity.. porn in one last attempt to give more than the other guy. VALUE still sells. Surfer could care less about morality.

As did WE at one time. (circle jerks, cc banging, cross sales)

Not pretty but how I see it.

This is what I don't think some people grasp yet. Many of these affiliates, especially the ones from places like Russia, aren't going to just exit the business. They are going to start pirating your content and they are going to follow "the new affiliate model" which basically means joining Oron's affiliate program or otherwise starting their own tubes and file lockers which openly pirate content and make money from the ads. It's already happening in fact and has been happening for a few years.

The problem is just going to get worse as you allow it to run away.

Here's an example of a "new affiliate" from today on the board:
https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19018813&postcount=11

Guys like this will simply replace the "old pay site affiliates". They'll be stealing your content or working in cahoots with those who do for a slice of the pie.

Forget the government.

If you work online you should be involved with white hat hackers.

Just saying...

One more thing I'd like to point out for those in denial. Do you recall the Oron topic on the Digital point forum where multiple people were bitching about not having sales from 1,000 downloads as if that were highly abnormal? What does that tell you?

It suggests to me that Oron now outsells your average tube or pay site by a mile. These days people consider 1 sale for every 30,000 tube impressions "good" and here these guys are making multiple signups on 1,000 downloads.

Be in denial about what is happening all you want but it isn't changing what is happening. Another business now sells YOUR CONTENT even better than you do. Their affiliates make more sales per impression than your legal affiliates probably do now by a factor of ten at least. What do you think some of your less ethically hindered affiliates are going to do? :upsidedow

If you want to keep your pay site business you better start fighting more for it.

I agree. They are making a killing. All these sites for $12.99 has to be selling like nuts.

For one thing you get to use a DL manager which the tubes dont allow (I dont think).

It is an easy choice for the consumer and really pretty rediculous.

All these sites are avail for $12.99 on ONE rip site on the network plus you can DL for free at decent high speeds if you dont mind waiting a fews mins to begin. Easy to DL a thumbs file for all vids for all sites:

18VirginSex.com
18WithProof.com
18xGirls.com
18YearsOld.com
2ChicksSameTime.com
3DPornAction.com
3DSexPlanet.com
3DWowMovies.com
3DXStar.com
40ozBounce.com
40SomethingMag.com
AbbyWinters.com
Abelinda.com
ActionInPublic.com
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AmaLand.com
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AmateurFacialsUK.com
AmberAtHome.com
AnalAcrobats.com
AnalSaga.com
AnalScreen.com
AnetteDawn.com
Ann-Angel.com
Art-Lingerie.com
AshlynnBrooke.com
AsianAppleSeed.com
AsianChicksLikeBlackDicks.com
AsianSuckDolls.com
AssholeFever.com
AssMasterpiece.com
AssParade.com
AssTraffic.com
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BallHoneys.com
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CanHeScore.com
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Shitload of porn for $12.99

http://i46.tinypic.com/nf5efb.jpg

Extabit for hosting and Paypal for processing is the money making method this particular network of rip sites uses.

Paypal.. what a joke. WTF Paypal? You mean Paypal doesnt know?

Gotta have big balls now days I guess.

Extabit: (surprise)

Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Whois Agent
+1.4252740657
Fax: +1.4259744730
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
C/O extabit.com
Bellevue, WA 98007
US

And there are lots of these sites out there in the extabit network. This one has We Live Together. Another one has Dare Dorm. They all are included and connected for 12.99.

Freaking rediculous.

Anyone that equates "conversions" to "stolen, full length videos" is simply not going to have a long life in this biz or enjoy any sort of enduring success. This biz is built on spectacular rising and falling and the average life of any business in adult only i'm sure doesn't exceed more than a few months. Just because you made some money, doesn't mean you can last as its a highly fluid and ever changing climate where most will not adapt to change.

Well, the way you get back to really low conversions is to duplicate the circumstances that led to great conversions.

1) You make bandwidth and hosting extremely expensive.

Anyone remember when a submission to the hun might cost you $3,000 - $4,000.00 in bandwidth? If people could have shown more content at the time, they would have done it. Remember when these sites could image source another and shut it down in hours? The problem was hosting/bandwidth and slow user connections.... making surfing very difficult and tiresome, increasing the probability of one just stopping where they landed and joining a site.

2) You eliminate broadband from homes.

You need to turn back the clock so sites load very slow and browsing porn is the tedious chore it once was and where when an user gets thrown into a cj network for example, its just easier to give up and buy a membership. Anyone remember when a page had to be 100kbs or less? All connections will need to be 56kbs or less. We will need all those 15-30 second real/wmv streaming files that buffer endlessly and look like shit if they happen to load. Also the videos can't be bigger than 320X240.

3) You dramatically decrease the amount of porn online.

Scarcity was the primary driver of demand (in addition to other factors). That is true with porn as it is with any commodity. It doesn't have to be "free" to be a commodity that is less scarce. There was always free porn online and its always been a relative factor.

4) Reduce the number of paysites and niches.

I remember talking to J$yles in 98 about this new "asian niche" experiment doing very well for them at IEG.

Shortly after that, I was talking to a guy (that well built guy that died), at traffic cash gold about "pissing" and thinking there is just nothing left to be explored in porn. Obviously it fractured into a million niches and new niches are coming up all the time.

When Karasxxx.com, cybererotica.com etc was all there was, that's what people joined. The more niches that pop up, the more the customer base gets spread around and conversions to those generic mega sites drop.

5) You change peoples perception.

Make them think again that its a new way to access porn as opposed to buying a magazine in a store or adult store like a creep... this way the idea of anonymity and online is still fresh and new and something they are aggressively exploring as a new way of accessing porn.

This is probably the second largest reason porn exploded how it did online in the late 90's and early 2000s.

6) You make them naive again.

Make them forget all the scams, the dishonesty and outright fraudulent behavior of porn sites. This will result in higher overall trust and better conversions.

7) Get rid of youtube, facebook, twitter, blogs, netflix etc etc etc...

You know, all those things that didn't exist or weren't competing for porn surfers attention at the time. This will result in higher conversions as the mindset then goes back to "where's the porn", not "i need to kill some time... whats going on with facebook"

8) Change online demographics.

I feel like I'm the only one at times that understands how radically online demographics shifted and how fast - directly impacting ratios. We will need to get rid of all the 3rd world countries and just have premium countries. Basically, it needs to be 80% US surfers, 90% of which are male nerds hiding in a basement as it was in 1998.



The list can go on and on as to all the factors that contribute to declining conversions. There idea of "putting the genie back in the bottle" implies there is a single cause of declining conversions which could be undone. This is simply not true and never has been.

Markets evolve and mature, customers evolve and mature, products evolve and mature. Remember when the mantra was "surfers are stupid"???? That was said every single day by multiple people on every adult webmaster forum. Guess what... surfers aren't stupid. They are your potential customers. They know whats out there. They know quality when they see it. They are capable of making well educated decisions which they weren't capable of in 1998.

"Adapt or die" doesn't mean "steal or die". That's just a sad and convenient excuse for failure. It means, "if you don't come to grips with the product demand and the direction of expectations and demand and you fail to produce something which isn't better, unique, well branded and well marketed (this biz incidentally, understands jack shit about actual marketing), you won't survive no matter what".

I remember that woman (CJ?) that used to own purve.com laughing about how all her asshole members wanted to be able to download content. She didn't last much longer. This is a business which has historically had a very adversarial relationship with its own "stupid" customers and today, almost everyone is paying the price for that and people continue to as they fade in and fade out.

Nice thoughtful post Squealer. This one in particular:

"1) You make bandwidth and hosting extremely expensive."

Def where it all began to go bad. That one thing could def turns things around.

It really is an iffy, volatile, ever changing biz as you say.

About all you can do is try to build sites faster than the product you are selling goes stale. (from an affil perspective) The worse thing is to keep tweaking forever on one site as I used to do. Build it and forget is what the old schoolers used to say and that is still pretty true today.

Ya got to get a lot of different sites out there. Mainstream and adult. That is the best diversity against all the pitfalls that inevitably come along espec in the adult biz.

Build sites. All types. That is really our job as affils if we want to stay floating longterm.

A lot of what the old pioneers preached is still true today.

Anyhow going to bed. Thanks for reading my long winded stuff :)

Hi Paul,

Do you really think the internet was created in 100 B.C.?

Just sayin'.

I've always viewed the activity of complaining more as a precursor to some type of action rather than as the action in and of itself.

Does that make sense or have I been taking crazy pills?

EVERY online biz is. Almost every site online, rises, falls just as quickly and fades into obscurity. All the early players in adult are gone. Not because of "free porn" but because the circumstances under which they were making so much money, rapidly changed. Those 10 tgp whales became minnows. Those 5 SEO guys sending 100 joins a day come and go with Google updates. The spammers sending 50-500 joins a day, faded in and faded out in accordance to their ability to keep finding/setting up new smtp relays. Consumer tastes change. Markets change. Competition changes things and so on. A friend of mine sent 100 joins a day to silvercash for a VERY long time, never so much as a thank you and when they ran into Mike at a show, they wanted to talk to him for 5 minutes and he brushed them off and links were pulled. Imagine the long term financial impact of something as small as losing 100 joins a day when you are doing good and what it means when things slow down.

This business is full of idiots who typically only made it by doing one thing and just frantically repeating it until it stops working and then suddenly the world is to blame as they go back to a 9-5. Whether its link lists or CJ sites or tgps or spam, or SEO work, or whatever.

Somehow people in this biz think they must be different. Everyone thinks they are entitled to success no matter what happens. There are very few online making enterprises that were online and successful 8 years ago that are online and equally successful today.... its true in mainstream, its true in adult.

The internet has always been a highly fluid and rapidly changing environment. Few should expect to be successful for any real period of time.

I think that in this biz and in the case of the obvious fact that tube sites will never go away... its simply an excuse. Piracy isn't causing failure. Peoples inability and unwillingness to confront what they view to be the "problem" is causing failure. Content can be locked down, fingerprinted and tracked and so on and so on,... but its easier to complain and lay blame elsewhere.

:2 cents:

The Internet didn't start the porn industry. If you say "industry" remember online is just a part. The largest part now, but not always.

Great post just quoted this part.

To return to the better times you need the same conditions as then. Those conditions will never return and for most the only way forward is the way out.

The problem for many is they can't afford to change, adapt, get better. they're too busy treading water. The traffic that used to come to the many now goes to a small handful of mega tubes or piracy sites. Once a surfer is there and seeing the benefits, he's not moving back to paying. From these sites we know how much money to goes the pockets of the rest of the industry.

I said that free porn has been around since the dawn of the internet.

this industry needs new incentives. How you want to fight/compete if you battle one giant and X pirates?

Jesus Christ. Someone find a way for me to sue for our the enjoined lost revenue of MojoHost and its clients. Grr

Can't do it without license. If I had it I'd be crazier than Mark Randazza and Manwin on meth.

Brad

Apologies for my mistake.

Vjo's post is a long list of companies we should be contacting to see if they will step up to the plate and follow the lead of Corbin Fisher.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=19020075#post19020075

No worries champ.

I did not know anything about you and SlappyFish's history until you posted this. I am simply saying not to be so sensitive should I post a reply to you, as I am not out to hurt your feelings or slam you. I do not have any beef with you.

Carry on.

:2 cents:

Typing Estabit in Google..

Did you mean Extabit? Aahh yes, must be popular..

"Extabit.com is a professional file hosting - exchange service which provides its users with the opportunity to store files."

Anyhow I normally dont like to "whistle blow" but it took me about two seconds to find a rip site on Google typing in "free yoursite.com rip"

So just saying pretty much every major site is ripped and hosted for dl somewhere at a cheap price. The minor niche or mom and pop fetish sites not so much.

:) My apologies BF. I have a bit of a temper and I flew off the handle.

I do type too damn much text I know. I am trying to be more succinct. And I do respect not putting vids in biz threads but I lost my temper a bit.

Slappin is Ok he just doesnt like my vids and he is entitled to that opinion.

In my own threads or in vid threads they should be ok. Altho I still catch hell. But in other's threads I (now) try to not post any or maybe one tops if I really feel I deserve one.

I need my music I guess :) And I MUST share :)

It won't stop the bleeding but it will definitely help. The music industry and the movie industry are in the same fight like we are. They are not only surviving but thriving. There is an answer, we just have to keep looking.