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Says the guy selling 6 months of hosting for $1.00 :1orglaugh

....and yet I still continue to make more money than you.


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oh wait you own servage?:2 cents:

Proof or Ban

The fact that you keep harping on the fact that I make ".50c apps" clearly shows how clueless you are on that specific topic.

I could give them away for free and still make $$$ :winkwink:

emailed you brujah...

I emailed you.

Did we still need more proof? I'm only interested in the GPL portion of the conversation.

I don't understand why this dead horse keeps getting beaten and how split-GPL is being pulled in to a conversation about GPL.

The argument is about themes RELEASED UNDER GPL.

The person who created the theme cannot go back after the fact and then do a split-GPL on a theme or content that was previously released under a pure GPL. It would have to be completely fresh/custom code/design for a split-GPL to apply.

You cannot just take XYZ Theme, label it XYZ Theme 2.0 and change it to a split-GPL.

But, the further argument to this is that unless the theme itself can stand on its own outside of the WP system, even still GPL applies rather than split-GPL. This is where it gets cloudy and grey.

Gimme-Website is clearly trolling at this point with her 'but i just want to understand' comments while still taking jabs at fris. If someone making 6 figures doing design work really wanted a more definitive answer they would consult a lawyer rather than us rabble on a webmaster forum. :2 cents:

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Quagmire, it is a dead horse but I was asked to provide proof, and that my comments were vague. I took the challenge.

You're wrong about the argument. It's much more than that, it's understanding that themes are released GPL compatible and that isn't the same as having assets also released under GPL.

WordPress - GPL Attorney response
http://wordpress.org/news/2009/07/themes-are-gpl-too/

To help clarify this point, I reached out to the Software Freedom Law Center, the world’s preëminent experts on the GPL, which spent time with WordPress’s code, community, and provided us with an official legal opinion. One sentence summary: PHP in WordPress themes must be GPL, artwork and CSS may be but are not required.

Right, but this is where more confusion comes in to play. Many (yeah, I know sorry about the generalization without posting proof) companies and people release their themes and products under GPL without fully understanding what they have done, and once it is out you don't have the right to claw it back.

Again, I am being lazy sitting on my couch so I am not going to hunt down links and examples, but the other part of the argument that has been put forward in the online communities and never actually legally tested in court is the split licence on something that was built purely for WP. The ongoing argument being that something that was built purely for WP falls under standard GPL. AdultKing touched on this earlier in the thread.

I am not a lawyer, and don't play one on TV.

Right, and in the case of Headway themes he didn't like it but he can't take it back. That isn't the case with the majority however. For example: Thesis, Templatic, Themeforest (the largest?), ElegantThemes, etc... are all split in some way.

The GPL has been tested, and this legal opinion was official from the GPL attorney. That's about as official as it needs to be really. If you're going to get taken to court over it, he'd be the one taking you.

In no where does a split license come in to play...this entire discussion is about the GPL. There's no confusion in there. The confusion is when people start chiming in about split license this and that. As that HAS NOTHING TO DO with the point of this entire debacle.

There's no debate as to whether or not people can use a split license. The initial blowup was is the stuff that was distributed under the GPL and does that allow for fris to do what he did.

It has nothing to do with this? Except in the post previous to yours I mentioned specific examples of split-license themes, that are in the package. I bet fris really appreciates you keeping it alive. You go boy.

I haven't seen the package and seen the actual licenses, I just saw the list he posted. I could see there being an issue if there were 100 things in his package and 99 of them had a split license. But if there's just one or two and he wasn't entirely sure what was up, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. fris is good people and has done plenty for the folks of GFY. Anna did not do that and has stated to me in private that she most certainly could have gone about things in a different manner. I'm pretty sure that now, she wishes that she had.

I am simply stating that anything that is GPL can be distributed just as he did, and that has been my side argument the entire time. And that is initially what you and I were going back on.

Again, if there are a few split license items in the package I can let him slide and give him the benefit of the doubt. There have been a few people trying to do things on a split license set up and should not have. So there is also that possibility as well. Likely, no...but possible enough to cut him some slack

If you haven't seen the package, then why are you bothering to argue about the GPL with me, and asking for more proof? What percentage would cinch it for you? How about 65%? Do you need more? Less?

Honestly, I think all you've really managed to do in the process is prove Anna's point by keeping it going. Well done.

Thesis Theme
Templatic Themes
http://templatic.com/support/faq/
Themeforest Themes
Staff message: http://themeforest.net/forums/thread...l/34105?page=3
README - Inside a Themeforest Theme

100% accurate and I agree fully with the first part. So far as what constitutes the majority is up for debate. The bigger boys with the really high-end themes are running split-GPL at this point, yes. Their older stuff... not so much, which is where the grey area comes in to play.

You and I both know that in reality they've very likely re-used portions of previous themes in newer creations, but it would be near impossible to prove definitively. At the end of the day when it comes the law - it isn't what you know, it is what you can prove.

Through luck or coincidence I've only used themes that are pure GPL, and I always purchase the ones I end up running with for more than a test because I want the updates and support. I certainly will not be the one to test out whether or not split-GPL stands up in court. :)

Why are you morons still arguing the GPL?

The fact of the matter is the person who created the content does NOT want Fris giving it away. They are forced into using the GPL to develop for Wordpress and Fris is taking advantage of this for his own benefit.

What fris is doing is morally and ethically wrong.

You don't agree? too bad. Your morals and ethics obviously aren't as strong as some of us here.

And this is why none of you are making any money and Fris has to give away other people's work to get $50 jobs to pay his mom's rent.

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Uh that's not me Detective Moron. :1orglaugh

Damn you are slow I guess that's why you sell or giveaway other people's work instead of your own. :1orglaugh

Don't be surprised if one of these Fake Nicks is actually Fris trying to save face.

You better continue in all threads to say you are giving away other people's work. I've even seen you giving away PAID themes and taking credit for it. I didn't have an account I was just lurking so i've never called you out on it.

LOL @ Fris' army of fake nicks, trolls and surfers.

Holy shit you're miserable. Did your dad rape you in the pee hole with a pen as a child?

What the hell kind of comment is that?

You are another idiot that's been owned on this forum 100x

You fit right in with Fris Army.

Uh huh. And yet here we are with you being the one under the fake nick after being banned several times.

I've hit a nerve wit the pen in the pee hole comment. Sorry about your rough childhood.

settle down kids :2 cents:

Fail assumptions by fail trolls. :1orglaugh

Someone should have said that to you little Queers 3 days ago. :1orglaugh

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No, Brujah is completely correct and is saying what I have been trying to tell you for several pages of this thread.

The test of whether it is standalone and not derivative of Wordpress is whether it works the same without Wordpress. Obviously an image works the same with or without Wordpress.

I haven't used anything from the package yet and now that I am reading more and more of this stuff, I am curious if its legal or not. I could care less about the 50 bucks and I won't ask for a refund even if he fucked up but I am curious if I would be using this stuff illegally.

Here are a few links from theme forest.

http://blog.themeforest.net/site-new...y-please-read/

http://themeforest.net/licenses/regular_extended

So, if I look at the theme forest themes, there are include folders with js/images/css etc., so does that mean that I legally should not be using it? I am a bit confused now because initially, people here decided that it was ok. Now though, it seems like people are saying its ok if it wasn't under a split license, but theme forest is all under split license and the packages have files under said license. (js/images/stylesheets). Again, I am not trying to get my money back, I just want to know if I should not use certain things from this package, or just throw the whole thing away, or what.

I unzipped one of the themes to show what I am referring to in case I am saying it wrong.
http://i.imgur.com/Ye9Tu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XS8fA.jpg

which is for this theme:
http://themeforest.net/item/locus-re...s-theme/112800

Thanks in advance for any clarification you can give me regarding useability.

Lol, I once made a rough for a client using one of ghetty's images (with the watermark intact) and saved a proof as a jpeg on a site for the client to see it. Ghetty somehow found it two days later and threatened to sue our company. After talking to someone on their legal side for like an hour , my boss was able to get them to not sue us and just remove proof from the web. Even after explaining the purpose of the site and that it was only a screenshot, they were still thoroughly pissed lol.

This image was used for a part of the header. the jpeg I saved was from my layout psd file, it wasnt the stock image posted on the proof site. How the fuck did they find it?! lmao.

there are ways for people to find their shit and I just don't want to be threatened legally again lol, which is why I even mentioned anything.

https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/im...5xrojN7ZMXHOeA

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just to clarify, the ghetty image was used in the header for a proof before us buying it. the stock image was a crazy amount of money, like 300 dollars or something and we wanted to be sure the client, who wanted that image and no other, was totally happy with how it looked before purchasing it.

Getty Images will threaten to sue you for their images even if you did pay for them, its part of their business model I think lol

Check out the mojo themes folder barcode.....

That one is quite interesting...

Just as an aside, it's interesting to note that you can't put the genie back into the bottle once it's made GPL. After this issue was all hashed out in 2009 many developers tried to make some parts of their previously released GPL products a split license. Unfortunately once GPL always GPL. If you release an image you design or javascript you write one year under the GPL you can't then go and separate the non code items and incorporate them in the split license because they are already GPL.

We will never forget.. we are anonymous we are legion

I repeat the GPL does not matter and GimmeWebsite called Fris out on being Unethical.

License or not what Fris is doing is damaging to someones business.

The License is not there to be taken advantage of in this manner.

Right and you are the one harassing a woman for calling out your boyfriend. :thumbsup

I'm going to say this story is bullshit.

Why would someone come here and make up a story like this? troll, boredom, etc.

Wow you are pathetic. :1orglaugh

Go put on your Guy Fawkes mask and take a picture of yourself naked.