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DWB · 06-13-2012, 06:20 AM

So after knowing uploaded.to was selling child porn, CCbill had them remove the links in question and are once again processing for them.

Business as usual now. It appears the message is, it's OK to be a pirate and sell child porn, we'll process for you UNLESS you are an honest site, then in that case we will break your balls over your content and text on your site.

CaptainHowdy · 06-13-2012, 06:29 AM

Slappin Fish · 06-13-2012, 06:31 AM

As predicted they'll continue processing for file lockers apart from oron.

CCBill know we can only push them so far, they hold our money.

lucas131 · 06-13-2012, 06:42 AM

wow, ccbill made a huge puke to the adult industry today. doesnt matter that from beginning they have been alive because of adult industry, not some filesharing or some other mainstream crap, but from adult industry, and today they showed a big fuck off and go fuck yourself to everyone of you ... congrats, this business really rocks!

DWB · 06-13-2012, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucas131

wow, ccbill made a huge puke to the adult industry today. doesnt matter that from beginning they have been alive because of adult industry, not some filesharing or some other mainstream crap, but from adult industry, and today they showed a big fuck off and go fuck yourself to everyone of you ... congrats, this business really rocks!

Jet Fuel yo.

mc-nudes · 06-13-2012, 06:47 AM

not enough but ....

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DWB · 06-13-2012, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mc-nudes

not enough but ....

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Signup Form in a Frame
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No accounts can have their CCBill signup forms in a frame on their site,
their signup forms must go to, and show that they are going to a secure page
within the CCBill server network.

Any and all accounts that display the CCBill signup form in a frame and/or
mask the URL of the CCBill signup form are in violation of the CCBill AUP.

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I think it's painfully obvious at this point that file lockers do not have to follow CCbill's rules.

It's one thing to find out your client is selling child porn, but finding out and still doing business with them is another monster. They just made a HUGE statement by processing for them again.

adendreams · 06-13-2012, 06:54 AM

this new news deserves a new thread DWB

SwirlsGirl · 06-13-2012, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

I think it's painfully obvious at this point that file lockers do not have to follow CCbill's rules.

It's one thing to find out your client is selling child porn, but finding out and still doing business with them is another monster. They just made a HUGE statement by processing for them again.

Thats kind of the point I was making with my sarcasm when I pointed out what a nice join form that was

raymor · 06-13-2012, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

How about if instead of us dealing with 10 day waiting (for nothing to happen) periods, CCBill chooses to simply stop processing for file lockers?

Period.

Problem solved

.

Because you'll never know when CCBill stops allowing that shit. Not if they follow the law. At some point CCBill would decide to straighten up and fly right, correct? Since they are in the US, they are legally required to follow the DMCA, or lose all protections it offers. Following DMCA means they HAVE TO wait until they get a complaint.

They can't, under DMCA, engage in their own hunt for copyright violators. If they did, under DMCA they suddenly become responsible for any violations they miss. Instead, under current law they have to respond to proper notices, not engage in their own search. That's what we want them to do - follow the law by shutting down sites after a DMCA notice, following the procedure required by that law. If you never send them a notice you'll never know when they've decided to be johnny-on-the-spot taking down those sites.

Maybe you want them to take sites down without notice and maybe that's what should happen, but under the law they can't do that. Not without taking on the impossible burden of finding all violations. DMCA basically says that if a service provider takes it upon themselves to look for violations, they become liable for any violations they missed.

lucas131 · 06-13-2012, 07:22 AM

paypal, mainstream, will not support them, ccbill, former adult processor, is now supporting people who took adult industry down ... clap clap hands down

Tjeezers · 06-13-2012, 07:28 AM

so ccbill could not see from what iframe/URL`s their payment page was pulled up? On this way they where not able to see the text link that went along with it?

Screwed Up · 06-13-2012, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adendreams

this new news deserves a new thread DWB

Definitely.

Make a new thread about it DWB.

CCBill showed it's true colors.

DamianJ · 06-13-2012, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raymor

Since they are in the US, they are legally required to follow the DMCA, or lose all protections it offers. Following DMCA means they HAVE TO wait until they get a complaint.

They can't, under DMCA, engage in their own hunt for copyright violators. If they did, under DMCA they suddenly become responsible for any violations they miss. Instead, under current law they have to respond to proper notices, not engage in their own search. That's what we want them to do - follow the law by shutting down sites after a DMCA notice, following the procedure required by that law. If you never send them a notice you'll never know when they've decided to be johnny-on-the-spot taking down those sites.

I thought DMCA was hosting, not billing?

TheDA · 06-13-2012, 08:49 AM

Quote:

I was reading a post that Raw Alex (very smart guy) made in another tread that got me thinking on how you could stop the Torrent sites. You need to attack them like the Spam Groups did on spammers. They went after the backbone providers (Level 3, Sprint, ATT etc). If you could get 7 out of 10 of the major providers to blackhole them they are dead.

The question is how do you do that?

Simple.

1. You get a group of adult webmasters to file DMCA notices by the truck
load or allow you to file them on their behalf to the backbone providers.
The laws are very specific on Damages and what an ISP must do if a
proper DMCA notice is files. (Be Very Annoying Here)

2. You start sending them URL’s like what Raw Alex showed about Child
Porn. This is a HOT topic and no backbone provider that is a PUBLIC
COMPANY would want to be associated with Child Porn Traffic?

3. Each of the large adult hosting companies have a good relationship
with 1 if not more major backbone providers. We can also put pressure
on their Abuse Departments to blackhole them also due to the
complaints?

I am not sure if it will work but if you put enough pressure on them and the fear of newspapers/major companies finding out about it they will want to distance themselves very quickly from these sites.

Bingo Problem Solved

Ron Cadwell

circ. 2007

Lykos · 06-13-2012, 09:09 AM

Nice from CCBill !

Kenny B! · 06-13-2012, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

LOL @ all the idiots congratulating them because they stopped doing something they shouldn't be doing to begin with ONLY after they get publicly called out.

My thoughts exactly, wtf are people congratulating CCbill for, all they are doing is back peddling after processing for these cunts.

Brad Mitchell · 06-13-2012, 09:17 AM

I am frustrated, concerned and maddened by the existence of this unfolding situation - but in a bigger sense, not just with one processor. At the same time, I do feel encouraged. I am very happy to see people working together to discover, document and report to billing and hosting entities and appropriate authorities. I think if enough of this is done collaboratively that a difference will be made on the internet. Increased "self policing" efforts will of course better protect children, something this industry has always done but rarely gets credit for. We are collectively positioned to also benefit from dramatic decreases in copyright infringement. We can create a scenario where these sites will have little or no place to go for hosting or processing. If authorities are properly engaged their owners won't be able to go home, either.

I have always done my best to make a positive difference by doing good business. I can say from experience it does get harder in volume of clients and web sites - not harder to "do good business" but absolutely more difficult now that it is not possible for me to have interaction with every new customer, even with amazing staff. I will be reflecting on what more I can do to help.

The most productive actions will be those focused on the people who are knowingly complicit with breaking law. They are the criminals, it is they who professionally obfuscate corporate information, online presence and everything else. Like any thief or criminal mind, every action of theirs is *premeditated* to defraud their vendors and fly under the radar as long as possible in between vendor "change ups".

After a dozen years of friendship with the Cadwells and key CCBill employees I am not overnight going to be a fickle (definition: Characterized by erratic changeableness or instability, especially with regard to affections or attachments; capricious) friend. I do not accept that they are complicit (definition: Involvement as an accomplice in a questionable act or a crime). I will not argue about "could have done this" or "should have done that" differently. I don't believe for a New York second either Ron or Stephanie as owners would not cease processing or hosting upon discovery of criminal activity or any activity which does not meet the compliance requirements of card associations.

Further, that with a group of companies that has more than 400 employees that I will reserve judgment based on their actions to follow. It is logistically, procedurally and organizationally difficult to "know everything" and impossible to root out all future unknown actions by clients IN SCALE. CCBill has scale: hundreds of employees, billions of dollars processed, tens of thousands of clients, hundreds of thousands of affiliates. I believe they have done an admirable job for our industry. Nobody could show me any company with this reach historically who has done better. It seems clear to me that CCBill needs to make a new, concerted effort to proactively find and terminate this type of activity. I think they need to release a more thorough statement to customers and the industry to address what efforts and changes will be made internally and compliment that with educational information to help us all better understand how to effect change.

This type of activity exists at dozens of processors and I would make an educated guess that it more profoundly exists elsewhere. Let's (you, me, everyone) publicly discuss organizing data collection, where information needs to be sent and how information needs to be formatted (presented) so that we can effect change. Thoughts?

Brad

AdultEUhost · 06-13-2012, 09:35 AM

Hi Brad,

Good post, much appreciated.
I was excited to see what was accomplished in the last few days by various members in the industry.

Size should never be an excuse to loosen up KYC policies though, it will take more time but should be a common business practice in my book. It is not so difficult to run a few whois'es or google searches.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

The most productive actions will be those focused on the people who are knowingly complicit with breaking law. They are the criminals, it is they who professionally obfuscate corporate information, online presence and everything else. Like any thief or criminal mind, every action of theirs is *premeditated* to defraud their vendors and fly under the radar as long as possible in between vendor "change ups".

Of course every now and then shit happens and stuff slips through, it is the way how people deal with that. CCBill clearly does not see the need to make a public statement about the fact they are knowingly facilitating websites who monetize on child porn and piracy. The fact that they suspended all billing for uploaded.to was a great move, however as it turns out today they reinstated billing for uploaded.to after 2 of the 3 reported urls were removed. For an outsider this makes one think CCBill values income over values and laws. CCBill has been notified by several channels about the issues found.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

I don't believe for a New York second either Ron or Stephanie as owners would not cease processing or hosting upon discovery of criminal activity or any activity which does not meet the compliance requirements of card associations.
...
Further, that with a group of companies that has more than 400 employees that I will reserve judgment based on their actions to follow. It is logistically, procedurally and organizationally difficult to "know everything" and impossible to root out all future unknown actions by clients IN SCALE. CCBill has scale: hundreds of employees, billions of dollars processed, tens of thousands of clients, hundreds of thousands of affiliates. I believe they have done an admirable job for our industry. Nobody could show me any company with this reach historically who has done better. It seems clear to me that CCBill needs to make a new, concerted effort to proactively find and terminate this type of activity. I think they need to release a more thorough statement to customers and the industry to address what efforts and changes will be made internally and compliment that with educational information to help us all better understand how to effect change.

As stated above, they are currently processing again for uploaded.to after they first disabled it.
So obviously an upper hand decision was made, I don't believe any sales rep can just reinstate a terminated account. While I agree that the real criminals are the ones monetizing on this sort of content, right now CCBill isn't any better by facilitating them again after they have been warned and took action.

mikesouth · 06-13-2012, 09:52 AM

aHow will CCBill react when the DOJ comes knocking on their door and shuts down the "worlds largest payment processor for online child porn"? They cant exactly say they didnt know...

And I thought nobody could be scummier than Manwin......Move over Fabian, Cadwell wants the seat next to you in hell

candyflip · 06-13-2013, 09:20 AM

Are they still processing for these sites? A year later?

FingerPrinter · 06-13-2013, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyflip

Are they still processing for these sites? A year later?

Why would uploaded.to or any other file locker use a piece of shit processor like CCBill and pay 14.5% like adult webmasters have to pay???

They are MAINSTREAM business and can use better coded processors with WAY LOWER fees like 1.5-2.9%

...

Google Expert · 06-13-2013, 12:51 PM

fuck CCbill

candyflip · 06-13-2013, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FingerPrinter

Why would uploaded.to or any other file locker use a piece of shit processor like CCBill and pay 14.5% like adult webmasters have to pay???

They are MAINSTREAM business and can use better coded processors with WAY LOWER fees like 1.5-2.9%

...

The more processors the better, would be my guess. They were definitely processing for a bunch of them.

FingerPrinter · 06-13-2013, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyflip

The more processors the better, would be my guess. They were definitely processing for a bunch of them.

They were, and that's when file lockers were still only a couple years into the game themselves and open to any billing options as they see the sales rolling in and rolling in.

Few months of conditioning and they start thinking, hey - we're making all this money, I'm sure we can find some other sort of offshore solution to process as a 'mainstream' service and not pay ridiculous premiums like 13-14% for billing.

Situation would be even worse if it wasn't for AdultKing

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06-13-2012, 06:20 AM	#51
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	So after knowing uploaded.to was selling child porn, CCbill had them remove the links in question and are once again processing for them. Business as usual now. It appears the message is, it's OK to be a pirate and sell child porn, we'll process for you UNLESS you are an honest site, then in that case we will break your balls over your content and text on your site.

06-13-2012, 06:31 AM	#53
Slappin Fish Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,512	As predicted they'll continue processing for file lockers apart from oron. CCBill know we can only push them so far, they hold our money.

06-13-2012, 06:42 AM	#54
lucas131 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,475	wow, ccbill made a huge puke to the adult industry today. doesnt matter that from beginning they have been alive because of adult industry, not some filesharing or some other mainstream crap, but from adult industry, and today they showed a big fuck off and go fuck yourself to everyone of you ... congrats, this business really rocks!

06-13-2012, 07:22 AM	#61
lucas131 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,475	paypal, mainstream, will not support them, ccbill, former adult processor, is now supporting people who took adult industry down ... clap clap hands down

06-13-2012, 09:17 AM	#68
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	I am frustrated, concerned and maddened by the existence of this unfolding situation - but in a bigger sense, not just with one processor. At the same time, I do feel encouraged. I am very happy to see people working together to discover, document and report to billing and hosting entities and appropriate authorities. I think if enough of this is done collaboratively that a difference will be made on the internet. Increased "self policing" efforts will of course better protect children, something this industry has always done but rarely gets credit for. We are collectively positioned to also benefit from dramatic decreases in copyright infringement. We can create a scenario where these sites will have little or no place to go for hosting or processing. If authorities are properly engaged their owners won't be able to go home, either. I have always done my best to make a positive difference by doing good business. I can say from experience it does get harder in volume of clients and web sites - not harder to "do good business" but absolutely more difficult now that it is not possible for me to have interaction with every new customer, even with amazing staff. I will be reflecting on what more I can do to help. The most productive actions will be those focused on the people who are knowingly complicit with breaking law. They are the criminals, it is they who professionally obfuscate corporate information, online presence and everything else. Like any thief or criminal mind, every action of theirs is premeditated to defraud their vendors and fly under the radar as long as possible in between vendor "change ups". After a dozen years of friendship with the Cadwells and key CCBill employees I am not overnight going to be a fickle (definition: Characterized by erratic changeableness or instability, especially with regard to affections or attachments; capricious) friend. I do not accept that they are complicit (definition: Involvement as an accomplice in a questionable act or a crime). I will not argue about "could have done this" or "should have done that" differently. I don't believe for a New York second either Ron or Stephanie as owners would not cease processing or hosting upon discovery of criminal activity or any activity which does not meet the compliance requirements of card associations. Further, that with a group of companies that has more than 400 employees that I will reserve judgment based on their actions to follow. It is logistically, procedurally and organizationally difficult to "know everything" and impossible to root out all future unknown actions by clients IN SCALE. CCBill has scale: hundreds of employees, billions of dollars processed, tens of thousands of clients, hundreds of thousands of affiliates. I believe they have done an admirable job for our industry. Nobody could show me any company with this reach historically who has done better. It seems clear to me that CCBill needs to make a new, concerted effort to proactively find and terminate this type of activity. I think they need to release a more thorough statement to customers and the industry to address what efforts and changes will be made internally and compliment that with educational information to help us all better understand how to effect change. This type of activity exists at dozens of processors and I would make an educated guess that it more profoundly exists elsewhere. Let's (you, me, everyone) publicly discuss organizing data collection, where information needs to be sent and how information needs to be formatted (presented) so that we can effect change. Thoughts? Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

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mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	aHow will CCBill react when the DOJ comes knocking on their door and shuts down the "worlds largest payment processor for online child porn"? They cant exactly say they didnt know... And I thought nobody could be scummier than Manwin......Move over Fabian, Cadwell wants the seat next to you in hell __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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