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WC Support · 02-12-2003, 08:16 PM

PornBroker, good luck with your shoulder. Combat sports are tough on the body.

Ive already had a broken neck, and now I may have some possible broken vertebrae and crushed disks in my back that Im facing more surgery on. I havent trained in awhile because I cant even bend over anymore lol

playa · 02-12-2003, 08:19 PM

well i think learning a martial arts to learn how to "fight" or defend yourself is the wrong reason to do it,,

i haven't been in a fight since i was in 7th grade,,

some confidence and a stern voice can go along ways

bhutocracy · 02-12-2003, 08:21 PM

zen do kai or zen shi ryu... they taught us how to rip throats out.

also it was crazy in terms of fitness, the gradings were 2 day camps that fucked you up.. 1000 push-ups in a row.. 1000 situps.. and the killer of them all the "kilometre of kicks" that left you unable to walk..

WC Support · 02-12-2003, 08:21 PM

Martial Arts CAN give you discipline, but so can many other things. If you're going to train in the arts, you might as well train in one that will save your ass if you get in trouble.

SureFire · 02-12-2003, 08:23 PM

Aikido, good grappling techniques, use BG's weight against him.

PornBroker · 02-12-2003, 08:24 PM

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Originally posted by playa
some confidence and a stern voice can go along ways

lol

bhutocracy · 02-12-2003, 08:52 PM

CD smith - seriously, tai chi isn't that bad - you can work a real sweat up.. it's good as complimentary style and exercise but yeah if you're not practising contact theres no point IMHO.

As much as I think ju jitsu kicks ass, it really is for single assailants I couldn't be assed being on the ground wrestling while his mate is kicking me in the back.

Muay thai is the fucking gear too, my sensai used to compliment muay thai a lot and we learned several such techniques because of their effectiveness in the ring in a stand up fight.

hapkido i found to be a little lame.. not in the style but more the "spiritual" side the local place i went to had a pledge not to use it for evil at the end of each lesson.. i don't know.. just didn't seem right.

the zen shi ryu I did was pretty nuts, it was more for street dirty fighting "pick up a brick and use it" sort of stuff.. eye gouging throat punching etc was all good. So it was a good realistic mix with the cartas and traditional side of it. The fitness side was extreme too.

I've been wanting to get back into martial arts but a few health issues have prevented me, aside from sitting in front of a computer all day. So i've disregarded zen do kai and zen shi ryu, as well as ju jitsu as being too rough at the moment.
I really wanted to do wing chun as we had one of the best masters and a conveinient dojo in chinatown, sydney but it didn't happen before I moved.. I'm thinking something along the lines of aikido now and focussing more on using the other persons weight and energy against them rather than a lot of force. And maybe Tai chi as a complimentary fitness thing to break up 12-18hour computer stints.. but thats only because I'm somewhat medically unfit for a lot of extreme exercise.

WC Support · 02-12-2003, 08:57 PM

I would do the jiu-jitsu. Its actually pretty easy on your body if thats what youre worried about.

I have a red sash (chinese equivalent of a black belt) in Wing Chun that is useless. I wouldnt suggest you do it if realism is what you are looking for. Its easy on your body, and its actually a shitload of fun and I miss it, but it is not realistic at all, no matter what you may have heard.

bhutocracy · 02-12-2003, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by Triple 6
I cant remember names, styles, or what UFC was (either the 1st or 2nd), but I will never forgeth this one match where it was this huge, HUGE fat black guy (sumo) vs this skinny ass white guy... and when they met in the middle, this white guy did a whole bunch of fast hits to the sumo's guys face, I saw teeth flying and all, and the black dude just dropped like a brick.

hahah I saw that! damn.. he was on top of him wailing down the monkeypunches while the guy couldn't get up because he was too big - he was 6'8" 616lbs, the white guy wasn't skinny - he was a normal buff dude - he just looked like a skinny dude compared to him.. he broke his hand beating the big guy and had to drop out of the comp.

WC Support · 02-12-2003, 09:01 PM

That was Emmanual Yarborough (the sumo guy) and Keith Hackney.

Yarborough went on to fight a 170 pound japanese fighter in Japan, and the little guy literally ran circles around him, even did somersaults around him until he got tired. It was hilarious.

xxxdesign-net · 02-12-2003, 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by WC Support

He was about 6'6" and at least 260, and Ryron was about 155. Ive tapped out plenty of bodybuilders in my day. Im 5'9" and at the time I was 160... and I used to tap a training partner who was 6'7" and in awesome shape. I could beat him in about 30 seconds every time. Size means nothing without skill.

Muscles dont mean shit if you dont know how to use them in a fight. Fighting isnt a posing contest or bench press contest.

How can you beat someone that can lift you over their head with 1 hand....
Judo... or BJJ usualy start with grabing each others arms/kimono or whatever its called....
Once its done... I,m sorry but a 6'6'' 300lbs of muscles, that can lift 3 times your weight, that is quick and not chubby.... would shake you like a puppet (assuming your 155lbs)

Have you ever tried to do an arm lock when th the guy as 22in biceps.... of lean muscles....?

I believe you about the 17yo beating the 6'6 260lbs but I have doubt about the guy agility, athletisism..... or even intelligence...

By the way... how did he do it... strike the legs...?

Manga1 · 02-12-2003, 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by WC Support
I have a red sash (chinese equivalent of a black belt) in Wing Chun that is useless. I wouldnt suggest you do it if realism is what you are looking for. Its easy on your body, and its actually a shitload of fun and I miss it, but it is not realistic at all, no matter what you may have heard.

No offense, but Wing Chun is far from useless. Granted there isn't much ground work, but the principles used in Wing Chun are behind a lot of the techniques used by these UFC guys. There aren't many other arts that teach sensitivity, deflection, etc. at the level that Wing Chun does.

WC Support · 02-12-2003, 09:20 PM

xxxdesign, its proven to be true all the time. Bench pressing means nothing. I guarantee you my two legs and two arms, which are required for a straight armbar, are stronger than his one arm. Its proven... I ACTUALLY do this stuff, not just talk about it. Besides, all the muscles in the world cant stop a choke hold

Like I said about Wing Chun, its all theory, and when put to the test, it doesnt work. Remember, I am actually a red sash in the system, under one of Yip Chings teachers, so I know what Im talking about. Not one Wing Chun guy has ever been successful. They have all been beaten very, and I mean VERY, easily.

Their staff fighting is very good though, I will say that. The centerline theory actually does apply to the staff fighting.

BVF · 02-12-2003, 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by playa
well i think learning a martial arts to learn how to "fight" or defend yourself is the wrong reason to do it,,

i haven't been in a fight since i was in 7th grade,,

some confidence and a stern voice can go along ways

I already know how to fight. I haven't been in a fight since I was 23 and I'm 31 now. However, I get into numerous altercations around here. It isn't about learning how to fight. It's about knowing how to open up a whole can of whoopass on someone. It's about breaking someone's leg at the joint at will. It's about snapping a muthafucka's neck if you have to. The confidence and the stern voice goes a long way. It also helps that I'm a somewhat large dude and I'm rarely challenged. But if you're in a situation where you're confronted with a drunk lunatic, a stern look is just gonna get your ass whooped. It won't even phase a psychopath.

Plus you're in your twenties or early thirties yourself. Do you think that your "stern voice" is gonna pass on some young punk when you're 45?

I also have a family and I've been in all kinds of situations with ignorant muthafuckas through the years trying to test me over that shit. I want to be able to go in for the kill without expending too much energy.

I also travel to other countries and I'm almost always put up to some physical test of strength between myself and the natives. All over the world, they think we have big dicks and are unusually strong. And with this comes physical challenges from natives. I was in a dark back street in Lagos, Nigeria after I left a nightclub and someone came up to me and said, "Fuck You". But since he was smiling, I just smiled back at him. The hoe I was with told me when we got to the hotel that he was about to rob me. But since I was brave enough to smile back at him and say "fuck you" back, he left me alone. But I wasn't brave, I just didn't know any better.

Learning a martial art will help save my ass when I'm in some third world country and a drunk native pissed off at me. Along with some other things.

Manga1 · 02-12-2003, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by WC Support
Like I said about Wing Chun, its all theory, and when put to the test, it doesnt work. Remember, I am actually a red sash in the system, under one of Yip Chings teachers, so I know what Im talking about. Not one Wing Chun guy has ever been successful. They have all been beaten very, and I mean VERY, easily.

Their staff fighting is very good though, I will say that. The centerline theory actually does apply to the staff fighting.

The centerline theory applies to everything. I trained in Wing Chun for 10 years and have taught it as well so I think I have an idea as to what I'm talking about. The problem with many people who train in Wing Chun is they get too caught up in chi sao and neglect the more practical combat training, so I unberstand what you're saying about the theory. That's why the better Wing Chun fighters are ones who have trained in other styles as well. For example, I have a couple of friends who are very successful full contact fighters and they're trained in Wing Chun, but they've also trained in Hapkido under Master Hwang, and have done boxing too. You need a well rounded background like that to better understand and apply the theory and techniques in Wing Chun. But this applies to everything. You can't simply say one martial art is good and the other isn't. It doesn't work that way. They are all different pieces of the puzzle. Wing Chun is a unique martial art, and it can also be very effective depending on how it's used.

The other thing is there's too much talk about what works and what doesn't. The truth is it's not the martial art but the athlete doing it. Some people are naturally better fighters than others. Some are faster and stronger. There's no getting around that. The fact that one guy gets his ass kicked by another doesn't mean a martial art is good or bad. Take all the UFC guys. I've seen them drop boxers before, but I guarantee you that if a Roy Jones Jr. was to step into the Octagon not one of these guys would be able to hold their own against him, regardless of what martial art they do, because Roy Jones Jr. is the superior athlete.

02-12-2003, 08:16 PM	#101
WC Support Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 128	PornBroker, good luck with your shoulder. Combat sports are tough on the body. Ive already had a broken neck, and now I may have some possible broken vertebrae and crushed disks in my back that Im facing more surgery on. I havent trained in awhile because I cant even bend over anymore lol __________________ Webmaster Commerce, Inc.<br>Maximizing your ca$h flow since 2000

02-12-2003, 08:21 PM	#104
WC Support Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 128	Martial Arts CAN give you discipline, but so can many other things. If you're going to train in the arts, you might as well train in one that will save your ass if you get in trouble. __________________ Webmaster Commerce, Inc.<br>Maximizing your ca$h flow since 2000

02-12-2003, 08:57 PM	#108
WC Support Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 128	I would do the jiu-jitsu. Its actually pretty easy on your body if thats what youre worried about. I have a red sash (chinese equivalent of a black belt) in Wing Chun that is useless. I wouldnt suggest you do it if realism is what you are looking for. Its easy on your body, and its actually a shitload of fun and I miss it, but it is not realistic at all, no matter what you may have heard. __________________ Webmaster Commerce, Inc.<br>Maximizing your ca$h flow since 2000

02-12-2003, 09:01 PM	#110
WC Support Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 128	That was Emmanual Yarborough (the sumo guy) and Keith Hackney. Yarborough went on to fight a 170 pound japanese fighter in Japan, and the little guy literally ran circles around him, even did somersaults around him until he got tired. It was hilarious. __________________ Webmaster Commerce, Inc.<br>Maximizing your ca$h flow since 2000

02-12-2003, 09:20 PM	#113
WC Support Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 128	xxxdesign, its proven to be true all the time. Bench pressing means nothing. I guarantee you my two legs and two arms, which are required for a straight armbar, are stronger than his one arm. Its proven... I ACTUALLY do this stuff, not just talk about it. Besides, all the muscles in the world cant stop a choke hold Like I said about Wing Chun, its all theory, and when put to the test, it doesnt work. Remember, I am actually a red sash in the system, under one of Yip Chings teachers, so I know what Im talking about. Not one Wing Chun guy has ever been successful. They have all been beaten very, and I mean VERY, easily. Their staff fighting is very good though, I will say that. The centerline theory actually does apply to the staff fighting. __________________ Webmaster Commerce, Inc.<br>Maximizing your ca$h flow since 2000 Last edited by WC Support; 02-12-2003 at 09:22 PM..

02-12-2003, 08:19 PM	#102
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	well i think learning a martial arts to learn how to "fight" or defend yourself is the wrong reason to do it,, i haven't been in a fight since i was in 7th grade,, some confidence and a stern voice can go along ways

02-12-2003, 08:21 PM	#103
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	zen do kai or zen shi ryu... they taught us how to rip throats out. also it was crazy in terms of fitness, the gradings were 2 day camps that fucked you up.. 1000 push-ups in a row.. 1000 situps.. and the killer of them all the "kilometre of kicks" that left you unable to walk..

02-12-2003, 08:23 PM	#105
SureFire Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: internet Posts: 4,398	Aikido, good grappling techniques, use BG's weight against him.

02-12-2003, 08:52 PM	#107
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	CD smith - seriously, tai chi isn't that bad - you can work a real sweat up.. it's good as complimentary style and exercise but yeah if you're not practising contact theres no point IMHO. As much as I think ju jitsu kicks ass, it really is for single assailants I couldn't be assed being on the ground wrestling while his mate is kicking me in the back. Muay thai is the fucking gear too, my sensai used to compliment muay thai a lot and we learned several such techniques because of their effectiveness in the ring in a stand up fight. hapkido i found to be a little lame.. not in the style but more the "spiritual" side the local place i went to had a pledge not to use it for evil at the end of each lesson.. i don't know.. just didn't seem right. the zen shi ryu I did was pretty nuts, it was more for street dirty fighting "pick up a brick and use it" sort of stuff.. eye gouging throat punching etc was all good. So it was a good realistic mix with the cartas and traditional side of it. The fitness side was extreme too. I've been wanting to get back into martial arts but a few health issues have prevented me, aside from sitting in front of a computer all day. So i've disregarded zen do kai and zen shi ryu, as well as ju jitsu as being too rough at the moment. I really wanted to do wing chun as we had one of the best masters and a conveinient dojo in chinatown, sydney but it didn't happen before I moved.. I'm thinking something along the lines of aikido now and focussing more on using the other persons weight and energy against them rather than a lot of force. And maybe Tai chi as a complimentary fitness thing to break up 12-18hour computer stints.. but thats only because I'm somewhat medically unfit for a lot of extreme exercise.