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Brujah · 02-12-2003, 05:41 AM

(beating Mr Fiction to the post!)

Patriot Act: The Sequel

"It would allow intelligence surveillance in certain circumstances even when the government could not produce any evidence of a crime. It also would allow certain snooping with no court authorization, not only -- as now -- when Congress declared war but when it authorized force or when the country was attacked."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Feb11.html

Joe Sixpack · 02-12-2003, 05:49 AM

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Originally posted by Brujah
(beating Mr Fiction to the post!)

Patriot Act: The Sequel

"It would allow intelligence surveillance in certain circumstances even when the government could not produce any evidence of a crime. It also would allow certain snooping with no court authorization, not only -- as now -- when Congress declared war but when it authorized force or when the country was attacked."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Feb11.html

Sounds like a police state to me.

Mr.Fiction · 02-12-2003, 05:50 AM

How can this be? Rush told me that republicans are for less government!

Next thing you know, you're going to tell me that Bush is less fiscally responsible than that communist liberal, Bill Clinton!

kenny · 02-12-2003, 06:04 AM

Wasnt that passed by congress right after the 911 attacks? I think it was designed to help catch those silly terrorist. I remember there was some debate reguarding it. But the way I see it, if you dont break laws then you have nothing to worry about.

Joe Sixpack · 02-12-2003, 06:07 AM

Where are all the gun nuts screaming about the erosion of constitutionally guaranteed rights and freedoms? They scream about it loudly enough when someone says gun control.

This Patriot Act seems to be saying nobody in the US has a right to any sort of privacy anymore if the relevent authorities THINK somebody may be doing something illegal.

Joe Sixpack · 02-12-2003, 06:08 AM

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Originally posted by kenny
But the way I see it, if you dont break laws then you have nothing to worry about.

"It would allow intelligence surveillance in certain circumstances even when the government could not produce any evidence of a crime."

kenny · 02-12-2003, 06:12 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

"It would allow intelligence surveillance in certain circumstances even when the government could not produce any evidence of a crime."

They can surveillance me taking my morning shit right now if they like. If your not doing anything wrong they are not going to fuck with you. But I see what your saying in theory they can spy on people for no lawfull reason.

ControlThy · 02-12-2003, 06:14 AM

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Originally posted by kenny
But the way I see it, if you dont break laws then you have nothing to worry about.

Wrong - read the article, it clearly states the authorities can take action without any solid evidence.

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ControlThy · 02-12-2003, 06:15 AM

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Originally posted by kenny

They can surveillance me taking my morning shit right now if they like. If your not doing anything wrong they are not going to fuck with you. But I see what your saying in theory they can spy on people for no lawfull reason.

Well I'd like to use the toilet with full privacy and not have some horny policeman taking a peek.

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evie · 02-12-2003, 06:18 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
Where are all the gun nuts screaming about the erosion of constitutionally guaranteed rights and freedoms? They scream about it loudly enough when someone says gun control.

This Patriot Act seems to be saying nobody in the US has a right to any sort of privacy anymore if the relevent authorities THINK somebody may be doing something illegal.

Just try to ban guns and see what happens, there will be riots in the streets.

What you also have to remember is Bush is intent on going to war because he THINKS Iraq is a threat to the US.

As for the so called freedom Americans enjoy, Eva and I watched "The Way We Were" last night. Had an interesting part of it about the Macarthy trials and the Anti American tribunals.

Freedom of speech usually means the right to say what is accepted.

ControlThy · 02-12-2003, 06:20 AM

Charly,

Looks like you logged in with the wrong account?

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LiveDose · 02-12-2003, 06:22 AM

Americans have been clear about willing to sacrifice certain rights for security. Hence initial changes in airport screening. You're not going to catch this muslim extremist vermin with our existing laws. Unlike many around the world not all Americans are paranoid of or fear their government. Should we be cautious? Of course but new tactics must be tried and tested. If the system becomes abused it will be brought to light. And should be dealt with. I would much rather have this than have a bunch of towel heads blowing up buses and buildings. FUCK THAT!

We can't just sit back anymore and wait to get hit. How long is it going to take some of you to realise that?

On another note, I can't wait for the fuckin' bombs to start dropping... It will be funny hearing everyone bitch about the agressive US. I can't wait....

Joe Sixpack · 02-12-2003, 06:24 AM

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Originally posted by LiveDose
Americans have been clear about willing to sacrifice certain rights for security.

So what happened to 'land of the free'?

Is it as irrelevant now as 'home of the brave'?

kenny · 02-12-2003, 06:27 AM

"A government DNA database for terrorists and suspected terrorists could be useful, though it would need refinement to protect suspects who are proved innocent. Another useful proposal would allow the special appeals court that reviews government surveillance requests in national security cases to appoint lawyers to argue against the government. Under current law, it hears only from one side. The draft would create a federal crime for terrorist hoaxes, which now must be prosecuted under provisions designed for other purposes."

I think they are planning to add a little flavor to protect agaisnt unlawfull surveillance

LiveDose · 02-12-2003, 06:28 AM

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Originally posted by evie
As for the so called freedom Americans enjoy, ...

So funny to hear someone from the Czech Republic saying that. The US at least has never been under communist control. Typical European arrogance...

LiveDose · 02-12-2003, 06:29 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

So what happened to 'land of the free'?

Is it as irrelevant now as 'home of the brave'?

You would never understand.

kenny · 02-12-2003, 06:31 AM

I havent put my contacts in, so I might of misread something. Question to the foreigners, why in the hell are you so worried about american law? I dont give a fuck about laws in China.

Joe Sixpack · 02-12-2003, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kenny
I havent put my contacts in, so I might of misread something. Question to the foreigners, why in the hell are you so worried about american law? I dont give a fuck about laws in China.

Ahhhh... the inevitable.

I'm interested because I'm not a narrow individual who's only interested in the affairs of my own country.

LiveDose · 02-12-2003, 06:39 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Ahhhh... the inevitable.

I'm interested because I'm not a narrow individual who's only interested in the affairs of my own country.

lame response.

Joe Sixpack · 02-12-2003, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LiveDose
Americans have been clear about willing to sacrifice certain rights for security.

"Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have,
nor do they deserve, either one."
~President Thomas Jefferson.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
~Benjamin Franklin

Joe Sixpack · 02-12-2003, 06:41 AM

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Originally posted by LiveDose

lame response.

What would you prefer?

kenny · 02-12-2003, 06:42 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Ahhhh... the inevitable.

I'm interested because I'm not a narrow individual who's only interested in the affairs of my own country.

I am by no means a narrow individual. However I admit alot of other counties dont seem to have much going on and are rather boring.

Joe Sixpack · 02-12-2003, 06:44 AM

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Originally posted by kenny

I am by no means a narrow individual. However I admit alot of other counties dont seem to have much going on and are rather boring.

Could it be that you don't hear much about other countries on your news because your nation is obsessed with itself?

12clicks · 02-12-2003, 06:48 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Ahhhh... the inevitable.

I'm interested because I'm not a narrow individual who's only interested in the affairs of my own country.

you mean like the snivelling aussie gun ban?

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/6/26/12629

""" In Australia today, police can enter your house and search for guns, copy the hard drive of your computer, seize records, and do it all without a search warrant. It's the law that police can go door to door searching for weapons that have not been surrendered in their much publicized gun buy-back program. They have been using previous registration and firearm license lists to check for lapses and confiscate non-surrendered firearms."""
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I'd be more worried about my own house. Funny we don't hear a peep out of you over this.

You're WAY more concerned with twisting the facts of American laws.

LiveDose · 02-12-2003, 06:49 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

What would you prefer?

I think your political comments go beyond multi cultural/country interest. They seem to gravitate towards a strange obsession and hatred for the US. You are of course entitled to your opinions.

Ben Franklin's comments while still as poetic would be a little changed were he living in 2003. It was a different world back then.

On music however we do agree.

kenny · 02-12-2003, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Could it be that you don't hear much about other countries on your news because your nation is obsessed with itself?

As long as they dont force me to give up my guns I am happy...

LiveDose · 02-12-2003, 06:50 AM

nice 12 clicks, nice.

12clicks · 02-12-2003, 06:53 AM

Livedose, I think your custom title should read "An Dennnnn?"

shouldn't it?

evie · 02-12-2003, 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by ControlThy
Charly,

Looks like you logged in with the wrong account?

I know. Eva has been on my computer again and now the site will not let me log out....

Joe Sixpack · 02-12-2003, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

you mean like the snivelling aussie gun ban?

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/6/26/12629

""" In Australia today, police can enter your house and search for guns, copy the hard drive of your computer, seize records, and do it all without a search warrant. It's the law that police can go door to door searching for weapons that have not been surrendered in their much publicized gun buy-back program. They have been using previous registration and firearm license lists to check for lapses and confiscate non-surrendered firearms."""
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I'd be more worried about my own house. Funny we don't hear a peep out of you over this.

You're WAY more concerned with twisting the facts of American laws.

Rather than quote an out-of-date article about the gun buy back scheme from quite a few years ago you should actually quote some current legislation.

"News"max is a nice little right-wing propaganda site.

kenny · 02-12-2003, 06:55 AM

12Clicks beat me to it. I couldnt find a reliable news source fast enough.
I seriously like guns. I have a AK47 assault rifle, a SKS nice one with a russian slant break and fold in stock. And a couple of pistols. I would be pissed if the US said I had to cough up my weapons. How do the people there think of their weapons being taken?

12clicks · 02-12-2003, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Rather than quote an out-of-date article about the gun buy back scheme from quite a few years ago you should actually quote some current legislation.

"News"max is a nice little right-wing propaganda site.

Translation: if I call it old news and from a right wing source, I can pretend it didn't happen.

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It's very easy to dig up a bunch of shit about australia but, really, who's interested?
pissants who always try to tear down their betters are much more amusing to watch.

kenny · 02-12-2003, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Rather than quote an out-of-date article about the gun buy back scheme from quite a few years ago you should actually quote some current legislation.

"News"max is a nice little right-wing propaganda site.

Did they stop taking the guns from you guys? I am happy for you guys if they did stop. Every man deserves the right to defend himself and family with arms.

12clicks · 02-12-2003, 07:01 AM

"""Twelve months after the law was implemented in 1997, there has been a 44 percent increase in armed robberies, an 8.6 percent increase in aggravated assaults, and a 3.2 percent increase in homicides. That same year in the state of Victoria, there was a 300 percent increase in homicides committed with firearms. The following year, robberies increased almost 60 percent in South Australia. By 1999, assaults had increased in New South Wales by almost 20 percent.

Two years after the ban, there have been further increases in crime: armed robberies by 73 percent; unarmed robberies by 28 percent; kidnappings by 38 percent; assaults by 17 percent; manslaughter by 29 percent, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics."""
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I'm guessing his interest in America comes from him looking for a safer place to live.

Joe Sixpack · 02-12-2003, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

Translation: if I call it old news and from a right wing source, I can pretend it didn't happen.

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It's very easy to dig up a bunch of shit about australia but, really, who's interested?
pissants who always try to tear down their betters are much more amusing to watch.

Hahahaha... went to your little right-wing "news" source typed in "Australia freedom" in the search box and cut and pasted whatever you could use.

Sad.

Paul Markham · 02-12-2003, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by LiveDose

So funny to hear someone from the Czech Republic saying that. The US at least has never been under communist control. Typical European arrogance...

No you were under British control, you fought for indendence and won it.

The Czechs were under firstly Nazi control, then sold out by Roosevelt at the Potsdam conference. Much to Churchills annoyance.

They rebelled in 68 and were crushed.

Typical American ignorance.

LiveDose · 02-12-2003, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks
Livedose, I think your custom title should read "An Dennnnn?"

shouldn't it?

HAHA hey man thanks. I did that after 10 beers and I was trying to get the sound from brain to keyboard. Much better this way.

kenny · 02-12-2003, 07:07 AM

Back to the issue at hand. I think the Patriot Act was passed in a hurry during a tense state post 911. I believe they are looking to mold it so certain conditions are meant first.

12clicks · 02-12-2003, 07:08 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Hahahaha... went to your little right-wing "news" source typed in "Australia freedom" in the search box and cut and pasted whatever you could use.

Sad.

oh shit! A left wing source:
http://www.ojr.org/ojr/glaser/1039714397.php
australia is attacking internet free speach.

Joe, I understand your fixation with the US now. Your homeland sucks.

Joe Sixpack · 02-12-2003, 07:09 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
"""I'm guessing his interest in America comes from him looking for a safer place to live.

Now THAT is a joke!

http://www.csmonitor.com/atcsmonitor...ries/guns.html

"According to Williams, there were just 0.28 firearms-related homicides for every 100,000 people in Australia in 1998, compared with about 4 for every 100,000 in the US."

Joe Sixpack · 02-12-2003, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

oh shit! A left wing source:
http://www.ojr.org/ojr/glaser/1039714397.php
australia is attacking internet free speach.

Joe, I understand your fixation with the US now. Your homeland sucks.

That's a libel case you moron.

Back to Newsmax and Google now to look for something else.

kenny · 02-12-2003, 07:11 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Now THAT is a joke!

http://www.csmonitor.com/atcsmonitor...ries/guns.html

"According to Williams, there were just 0.28 firearms-related homicides for every 100,000 people in Australia in 1998, compared with about 4 for every 100,000 in the US."

I bet you guys are forced to kill with sticks then, huh?

gothweb · 02-12-2003, 07:12 AM

This is scary shit. I wonder what the US will be like, if I ever come back home long-term? As it is, it seemed like a very different place when I was there for the holidays.

LiveDose · 02-12-2003, 07:12 AM

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Originally posted by charly
No you were under British control, you fought for indendence and won it.

The Czechs were under firstly Nazi control, then sold out by Roosevelt at the Potsdam conference. Much to Churchills annoyance.

They rebelled in 68 and were crushed.

Typical American ignorance.

Joe Sixpack · 02-12-2003, 07:13 AM

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Originally posted by kenny

I bet you guys are forced to kill with sticks then, huh?

I have a pick handle near my front door.

Never had to use it.

LiveDose · 02-12-2003, 07:13 AM

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Originally posted by kenny

I bet you guys are forced to kill with sticks then, huh?

Kenny, they use government issued magnets as throwing stars...lol

12clicks · 02-12-2003, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

That's a libel case you moron.

no its not moron. or is the truth called libal down there too?

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
Back to Newsmax and Google now to look for something else.

Is this newsmax? I'm not sure. fill us in joey:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/sep1999/juv-s07.shtml

Australia stomps on childrens rights?
""". The violations include curtailing the right to free assembly, discriminating against youth who have committed no crime, increasing the time of detention before being charged and strengthening the rights of police to strip search."""
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strip searching children Joe? You support governmental pedophilia? sad.

"""A report entitled Youth Street Rights?A Policy and Legislation Review has found that a number of the laws also breach Articles contained in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child""""

Joey, the whole world is against you! It's children Joey!!!!

Joe Sixpack · 02-12-2003, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

Is this newsmax? I'm not sure. fill us in joey:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/sep1999/juv-s07.shtml

Australia stomps on childrens rights?
""". The violations include curtailing the right to free assembly, discriminating against youth who have committed no crime, increasing the time of detention before being charged and strengthening the rights of police to strip search."""
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strip searching children Joe? You support governmental pedophilia? sad.

"""A report entitled Youth Street Rights?A Policy and Legislation Review has found that a number of the laws also breach Articles contained in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child""""

Joey, the whole world is against you! It's children Joey!!!!

Now you're quoting from the socialists!

You really are a moron.

Nowhere in that article does it say ANYTHING about strip searching children.

Here is the whole paragraph.

"The Carr Labor Party government in New South Wales has introduced legislation over the past five years that violates basic democratic and human rights, particularly those of children and young people. The violations include curtailing the right to free assembly, discriminating against youth who have committed no crime, increasing the time of detention before being charged and strengthening the rights of police to strip search."

Need to misquote and misrepresent to make an argument.

Pathetic.

12clicks · 02-12-2003, 07:25 AM

Joey, is this right wing propaganda?

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/feb2002/law-f15.shtml

""""One piece of legislation will significantly expand the powers of ASIO, the domestic political police, including giving its officers, for the first time, the authority to detain anyone for interrogation without charge for 48 hours. In addition, ?terrorism? will be re-defined to cover a range of dissenting political activity""""

Holy shit joe!!!!! you have "political" police? when did you guys go commie?

terrorism is "dissenting political activity'?????

Joey, joey, joey. I'f I were you, I wouldn't talk about my homeland or anyone elses.

ahahahahahahahahahaha

(this concludes todays lesson on badmouthing the US)

kenny · 02-12-2003, 07:26 AM

Well atleast it isnt as bad as Iraq. Or Singapore. While it would such to have my guns taken, it would be worse to have my tounge cut out for speaking agaisnt my dictator. Or get whipped with a cane or executed for giving my buddy a joint.

02-12-2003, 05:41 AM	#1
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	the Patriot Act (beating Mr Fiction to the post!) Patriot Act: The Sequel "It would allow intelligence surveillance in certain circumstances even when the government could not produce any evidence of a crime. It also would allow certain snooping with no court authorization, not only -- as now -- when Congress declared war but when it authorized force or when the country was attacked." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Feb11.html __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

02-12-2003, 06:22 AM	#12
LiveDose Show Yer Tits! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Out there... Posts: 25,792	Americans have been clear about willing to sacrifice certain rights for security. Hence initial changes in airport screening. You're not going to catch this muslim extremist vermin with our existing laws. Unlike many around the world not all Americans are paranoid of or fear their government. Should we be cautious? Of course but new tactics must be tried and tested. If the system becomes abused it will be brought to light. And should be dealt with. I would much rather have this than have a bunch of towel heads blowing up buses and buildings. FUCK THAT! We can't just sit back anymore and wait to get hit. How long is it going to take some of you to realise that? On another note, I can't wait for the fuckin' bombs to start dropping... It will be funny hearing everyone bitch about the agressive US. I can't wait.... __________________ Scammer Alert: acer19 acer [email protected] [email protected] Money stolen using PayPal Last edited by LiveDose; 02-12-2003 at 06:34 AM..

02-12-2003, 06:31 AM	#17
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	I havent put my contacts in, so I might of misread something. Question to the foreigners, why in the hell are you so worried about american law? I dont give a fuck about laws in China. Last edited by kenny; 02-12-2003 at 06:33 AM..

02-12-2003, 06:50 AM	#27
LiveDose Show Yer Tits! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Out there... Posts: 25,792	nice 12 clicks, nice. __________________ Scammer Alert: acer19 acer [email protected] [email protected] Money stolen using PayPal

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12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	Livedose, I think your custom title should read "An Dennnnn?" shouldn't it? __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

02-12-2003, 05:50 AM	#3
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	How can this be? Rush told me that republicans are for less government! Next thing you know, you're going to tell me that Bush is less fiscally responsible than that communist liberal, Bill Clinton!

02-12-2003, 06:04 AM	#4
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	Wasnt that passed by congress right after the 911 attacks? I think it was designed to help catch those silly terrorist. I remember there was some debate reguarding it. But the way I see it, if you dont break laws then you have nothing to worry about.

02-12-2003, 06:07 AM	#5
Joe Sixpack So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,793	Where are all the gun nuts screaming about the erosion of constitutionally guaranteed rights and freedoms? They scream about it loudly enough when someone says gun control. This Patriot Act seems to be saying nobody in the US has a right to any sort of privacy anymore if the relevent authorities THINK somebody may be doing something illegal.

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kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	"A government DNA database for terrorists and suspected terrorists could be useful, though it would need refinement to protect suspects who are proved innocent. Another useful proposal would allow the special appeals court that reviews government surveillance requests in national security cases to appoint lawyers to argue against the government. Under current law, it hears only from one side. The draft would create a federal crime for terrorist hoaxes, which now must be prosecuted under provisions designed for other purposes." I think they are planning to add a little flavor to protect agaisnt unlawfull surveillance

02-12-2003, 06:55 AM	#31
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	12Clicks beat me to it. I couldnt find a reliable news source fast enough. I seriously like guns. I have a AK47 assault rifle, a SKS nice one with a russian slant break and fold in stock. And a couple of pistols. I would be pissed if the US said I had to cough up my weapons. How do the people there think of their weapons being taken?

02-12-2003, 07:01 AM	#34
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	"""Twelve months after the law was implemented in 1997, there has been a 44 percent increase in armed robberies, an 8.6 percent increase in aggravated assaults, and a 3.2 percent increase in homicides. That same year in the state of Victoria, there was a 300 percent increase in homicides committed with firearms. The following year, robberies increased almost 60 percent in South Australia. By 1999, assaults had increased in New South Wales by almost 20 percent. Two years after the ban, there have been further increases in crime: armed robberies by 73 percent; unarmed robberies by 28 percent; kidnappings by 38 percent; assaults by 17 percent; manslaughter by 29 percent, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics.""" ---------------------------------------------------------------- I'm guessing his interest in America comes from him looking for a safer place to live. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

02-12-2003, 07:07 AM	#38
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	Back to the issue at hand. I think the Patriot Act was passed in a hurry during a tense state post 911. I believe they are looking to mold it so certain conditions are meant first.

02-12-2003, 07:12 AM	#43
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	This is scary shit. I wonder what the US will be like, if I ever come back home long-term? As it is, it seemed like a very different place when I was there for the holidays. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

02-12-2003, 07:25 AM	#49
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	Joey, is this right wing propaganda? http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/feb2002/law-f15.shtml """"One piece of legislation will significantly expand the powers of ASIO, the domestic political police, including giving its officers, for the first time, the authority to detain anyone for interrogation without charge for 48 hours. In addition, ?terrorism? will be re-defined to cover a range of dissenting political activity"""" Holy shit joe!!!!! you have "political" police? when did you guys go commie? terrorism is "dissenting political activity'????? Joey, joey, joey. I'f I were you, I wouldn't talk about my homeland or anyone elses. ahahahahahahahahahaha (this concludes todays lesson on badmouthing the US) __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

02-12-2003, 07:26 AM	#50
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	Well atleast it isnt as bad as Iraq. Or Singapore. While it would such to have my guns taken, it would be worse to have my tounge cut out for speaking agaisnt my dictator. Or get whipped with a cane or executed for giving my buddy a joint.