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LiveDose · 02-12-2003, 07:29 AM

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GOD BLESS THE USA!

Joe Sixpack · 02-12-2003, 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
Joey, is this right wing propaganda?

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/feb2002/law-f15.shtml

""""One piece of legislation will significantly expand the powers of ASIO, the domestic political police, including giving its officers, for the first time, the authority to detain anyone for interrogation without charge for 48 hours. In addition, ?terrorism? will be re-defined to cover a range of dissenting political activity""""

Holy shit joe!!!!! you have "political" police? when did you guys go commie?

terrorism is "dissenting political activity'?????

Joey, joey, joey. I'f I were you, I wouldn't talk about my homeland or anyone elses.

ahahahahahahahahahaha

(this concludes todays lesson on badmouthing the US)

Commie? We have right-wingers in at the moment.

And you're back quoting the socialists again!

Predictable and very sad.

stocktrader23 · 02-12-2003, 07:34 AM

You guys are so busy talking shit because he isn't from the U.S. to read the damn facts.

The Homeland Security Act and Patriot Act are shit. They were blown up and rushed into law playing on the anyone that doesn't agree is unpatriotic. The same shit was struck down earlier. I don't remember which one but one of these went from a few pages to a damn book virtually overnight. Many of the repuplicans even that helped signed it into law are now against it. Keep talking shit because he is from Australia and ignoring what the government is doing. It's a big steaming pile of shit and anyone with sense can see that. The government can snoop on damn near everything you do and detain you without any proof of anything. Been to Ogrish or any other crazy sites lately? Your history kill doesn't matter when they knew exactly when you went there. We have less rights now than we have in decades thanks to your best friend Bush.

LiveDose · 02-12-2003, 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
...We have less rights now than we have in decades thanks to your best friend Bush.

Here we mother fuckin' go again. Are you saying that no one in congress has an independent brain? You libs can never contain it, can you?

At least Joe has the intelligence to generalize and not blame the countries woes on one man...

stocktrader23 · 02-12-2003, 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by LiveDose

Here we mother fuckin' go again. Are you saying that no one in congress has an independent brain? You libs can never contain it, can you?

Yes here we go again. September 11th was used to push these through and if you can't see that you are blind. Anyone that was against something named "Patriot Act" or "Homeland Security" act would definately be looked at as unpatriotic and uncaring towards the victims of 9/11. Read up on it. Not everyone wants their rights stripped from under their nose without a word being said. Bush took advantage of the moment and got shit signed in that never would have made it otherwise.

Edited to add: When I say Bush I am referring to the group of repulicans that control him like a puppet. Of course this one man didn't do this alone. He's an idiot.

kenny · 02-12-2003, 07:44 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
You guys are so busy talking shit because he isn't from the U.S. to read the damn facts.

The Homeland Security Act and Patriot Act are shit. They were blown up and rushed into law playing on the anyone that doesn't agree is unpatriotic. The same shit was struck down earlier. I don't remember which one but one of these went from a few pages to a damn book virtually overnight. Many of the repuplicans even that helped signed it into law are now against it. Keep talking shit because he is from Australia and ignoring what the government is doing. It's a big steaming pile of shit and anyone with sense can see that. The government can snoop on damn near everything you do and detain you without any proof of anything. Been to Ogrish or any other crazy sites lately? Your history kill doesn't matter when they knew exactly when you went there. We have less rights now than we have in decades thanks to your best friend Bush.

Yes it was hurried and passed by congress. But they are going to modify it so certain conditions have to be meant first. The patriot act was passed by congress. Any politic would have agreed at the time. I love how people point the finger at Bush. This country has checks and balances it takes more then one man to pass a bill. Many people also fail to remember or realize how serious terrorism is.
I am not going to argue my point on this anymore. I learned the hard way it is a waste of time effort. I suppose people in this country would have to see 1000's of men, women, and children shaking on the ground bleeding from there eyes from a chemical attack before they realize the reality of terror as a threat.

LiveDose · 02-12-2003, 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

Yes here we go again. September 11th was used to push these through and if you can't see that you are blind. Anyone that was against something named "Patriot Act" or "Homeland Security" act would definately be looked at as unpatriotic and uncaring towards the victims of 9/11. Read up on it. Not everyone wants their rights stripped from under their nose without a word being said. Bush took advantage of the moment and got shit signed in that never would have made it otherwise.

Edited to add: When I say Bush I am referring to the group of repulicans that control him like a puppet. Of course this one man didn't do this alone. He's an idiot.

You watch too much TV. Get your own thoughts.

Dumb and dumber... who's next?

stocktrader23 · 02-12-2003, 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by kenny

Yes it was hurried and passed by congress. But they are going to modify it so certain conditions have to be meant first. The patriot act was passed by congress. Any politic would have agreed at the time. I love how people point the finger at Bush. This country has checks and balances it takes more then one man to pass a bill. Many people also fail to remember or realize how serious terrorism is.
I am not going to argue my point on this anymore. I learned the hard way it is a waste of time effort. I suppose people in this country would have to see 1000's of men, women, and children shaking on the ground bleeding from there eyes from a chemical attack before they realize the reality of terror as a threat.

We will see that pretty soon anyway, just not on our own soil.

stocktrader23 · 02-12-2003, 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by LiveDose

You watch too much TV. Get your own thoughts.

Dumb and dumber... who's next?

Too much TV? Too fucking funny. Biased television is definately not my only source of information. I'd like to see all the news, not what one group of idiots thinks I need to see.

kenny · 02-12-2003, 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

We will see that pretty soon anyway, just not on our own soil.

The only way that will happen is if Iraq used its women and children as shields, and then if Iraq released chemical weapons. The united states has better technology then that.

12clicks · 02-12-2003, 08:12 AM

The silly American boys who don't like this should read it again:

A government DNA database for terrorists and suspected terrorists could be useful, though it would need refinement to protect suspects who are proved innocent. Another useful proposal would allow the special appeals court that reviews government surveillance requests in national security cases to appoint lawyers to argue against the government. Under current law, it hears only from one side. The draft would create a federal crime for terrorist hoaxes, which now must be prosecuted under provisions designed for other purposes.

But the draft contains many troubling provisions. It would further expand intelligence surveillance powers into the traditional realm of law enforcement. Like a Senate bill soon to be taken up by the Judiciary Committee, it would allow foreigners suspected of terrorism to be watched as intelligence targets -- rather than subjects of law enforcement -- even if they could not be linked to any foreign group or state. But it would go much further. It would allow intelligence surveillance in certain circumstances even when the government could not produce any evidence of a crime. It also would allow certain snooping with no court authorization, not only -- as now -- when Congress declared war but when it authorized force or when the country was attacked. The result of such changes would be to magnify the government's discretion to pick the legal regime under which it investigates and prosecutes national security cases and to give it more power unilaterally to exempt people from the protections of the justice system and place them in a kind of alternative legal world. Congress should be pushing in the opposite direction.

Before the department asks Congress for more powers, it needs to disclose how it is using the ones it already has. Yet the Justice Department has balked at reasonable oversight and public information requests. In fact, the draft legislation would allow the department to withhold information concerning the identity of Sept. 11 detainees -- a matter now before the courts. At the very least, Congress should insist on a full understanding of what the department is doing before granting the executive branch still more authority.
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what I see is an easing on restrictions on the government to investigate National security issues, terrorists, and foreigners.

You Leftist puppets should REALLY pick your battles. Unless you 3 are threatening my nations security, are terrorists, or foreigners doing things you shouldn't.
In that case, I want you dead.

ChrisH · 02-12-2003, 08:54 AM

First I'd like to point out that I scroll past anyone who's not an American as their opinion is not important to me. On matters concerning the US.

Secondly the Patriot Act has a Sunset clause that states it will be revisited to see if it is a nessasary law to maintain.

UncleJimmy · 02-12-2003, 10:35 AM

Scary, esp since once we give up rights, rarely do we get them back...

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stocktrader23 Let's do some business. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The dirty south. Posts: 18,781	You guys are so busy talking shit because he isn't from the U.S. to read the damn facts. The Homeland Security Act and Patriot Act are shit. They were blown up and rushed into law playing on the anyone that doesn't agree is unpatriotic. The same shit was struck down earlier. I don't remember which one but one of these went from a few pages to a damn book virtually overnight. Many of the repuplicans even that helped signed it into law are now against it. Keep talking shit because he is from Australia and ignoring what the government is doing. It's a big steaming pile of shit and anyone with sense can see that. The government can snoop on damn near everything you do and detain you without any proof of anything. Been to Ogrish or any other crazy sites lately? Your history kill doesn't matter when they knew exactly when you went there. We have less rights now than we have in decades thanks to your best friend Bush. __________________ Hands Free Adult - Join Once, Earn For Life "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."

02-12-2003, 08:12 AM	#61
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	The silly American boys who don't like this should read it again: A government DNA database for terrorists and suspected terrorists could be useful, though it would need refinement to protect suspects who are proved innocent. Another useful proposal would allow the special appeals court that reviews government surveillance requests in national security cases to appoint lawyers to argue against the government. Under current law, it hears only from one side. The draft would create a federal crime for terrorist hoaxes, which now must be prosecuted under provisions designed for other purposes. But the draft contains many troubling provisions. It would further expand intelligence surveillance powers into the traditional realm of law enforcement. Like a Senate bill soon to be taken up by the Judiciary Committee, it would allow foreigners suspected of terrorism to be watched as intelligence targets -- rather than subjects of law enforcement -- even if they could not be linked to any foreign group or state. But it would go much further. It would allow intelligence surveillance in certain circumstances even when the government could not produce any evidence of a crime. It also would allow certain snooping with no court authorization, not only -- as now -- when Congress declared war but when it authorized force or when the country was attacked. The result of such changes would be to magnify the government's discretion to pick the legal regime under which it investigates and prosecutes national security cases and to give it more power unilaterally to exempt people from the protections of the justice system and place them in a kind of alternative legal world. Congress should be pushing in the opposite direction. Before the department asks Congress for more powers, it needs to disclose how it is using the ones it already has. Yet the Justice Department has balked at reasonable oversight and public information requests. In fact, the draft legislation would allow the department to withhold information concerning the identity of Sept. 11 detainees -- a matter now before the courts. At the very least, Congress should insist on a full understanding of what the department is doing before granting the executive branch still more authority. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what I see is an easing on restrictions on the government to investigate National security issues, terrorists, and foreigners. You Leftist puppets should REALLY pick your battles. Unless you 3 are threatening my nations security, are terrorists, or foreigners doing things you shouldn't. In that case, I want you dead. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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02-12-2003, 08:54 AM	#62
ChrisH Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,355	First I'd like to point out that I scroll past anyone who's not an American as their opinion is not important to me. On matters concerning the US. Secondly the Patriot Act has a Sunset clause that states it will be revisited to see if it is a nessasary law to maintain.