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Pseudonymous · 05-16-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Model Gisele

We models view it the same if not greater.. why put our image out there and lure customers in based majority on our interaction and images alone, all for zero ownership :/

I look at it like, if the site is up and Live, then both parties will be compensated. I also believe that if the site is still up (dead or active) both parties should still split the fees coming in because one would not have one without the other.. This is where my frustration and disgust if you will lies with my poor business decisions with previous sites/contracts.. its disgusting seeing all of my hard work and nudity profit pockets undeserving .. Tis why ownership moving forward is only option for me.

I must ask, instead of making such demands as everything being in your name, how come instead, you dont simply have proper contracts in place that guarantee you your percent of net profit?

You have to remember, programs are the ones who make you well known, a hot interactive model helps. Programs are the ones who offer a rare service, theres a handful left who are capable, want to know how many girls would be willing to shoot nude photography? I have high standards when it comes to models appearances and it still doesn't take me very long of looking to find a new model. Photographers come to me with them quite often

Autumn Riley is one of the biggest models in the past few years, shes made the top 5 in a couple sections on missfreeones, she was the top searched on freeones for her first year. She hasn't been involved since before her launch. never interacted with a single member.

PrivateSchoolJewel ended cam shows, guess how much sales dropped, not much.

People overvalue interaction a great deal. I can understand why. But its simply not the truth, its a help. and not even close to giving the model the rights to call the shots and have ownership. given that the model could walk away with a rare service at anytime. a service that lasts the life of the models adult career

And without the marketing of programs, they dont even add you on facebook, twitter.

(besides the mfc visitors, who see you naked for free and aren't exactly the highest converting of crowds when it comes to paid memberships, more are likely not to rebill considering your on cam for free most days)

Those revenues you get on MFC, which you spend a decent amount of time on, doesn't even factor into the percent that the webmaster might get out of the partnership. So do you still think your interaction makes your part equal? Very few people and all models think MFC is a great help , like im sure you believe since you do it but most programs wont let their models near it. And definitely the ones i talk to who are still going strong wouldn't.

Pseudonymous · 05-16-2012, 05:18 PM

And in order for it to not appear as if im just bashing you ... i do think what you bring to the table is more than most models, I think youre a great model and anyone would be lucky to have you, im only bringing these things up in order to argue the point about models deserving full ownership rights. what you bring to the table isn't nearly as much as webmasters and money do. and the fact its not as rare of a commodity

You are also a model, you dont analyze the costs and you haven't been able to compare interaction profits vs non interaction profits, you haven't needed to spend a penny to get to where you are. So to suggest that what you bring to the table is equal is a bit naive no?

I know sometimes models think they do half the work so they deserve half of everything and equal say but sometimes the people on the bottom of the totem poll do the most heavy lifting. Does it mean they should call the shots? Nope. Because they didn't sink hundreds of thousands of dollars to get to where they are. Nevermind the eff load of serious hours put in to be able to make you the money that you receive

In the end, none of this matters because there will always be a webmaster that buckles for the model who needs a helping hand ;) So i guess in saying that, take advantage of it.

TheSenator · 05-16-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

And in order for it to not appear as if im just bashing you ... i do think what you bring to the table is more than most models, I think youre a great model and anyone would be lucky to have you, im only bringing these things up in order to argue the point about models deserving full ownership rights. what you bring to the table isn't nearly as much as webmasters and money do. and the fact its not as rare of a commodity

You are also a model, you dont analyze the costs and you haven't been able to compare interaction profits vs non interaction profits, you haven't needed to spend a penny to get to where you are. So to suggest that what you bring to the table is equal is a bit naive no?

I know sometimes models think they do half the work so they deserve half of everything and equal say but sometimes the people on the bottom of the totem poll do the most heavy lifting. Does it mean they should call the shots? Nope. Because they didn't sink hundreds of thousands of dollars to get to where they are. Nevermind the eff load of serious hours put in to be able to make you the money that you receive

In the end, none of this matters because there will always be a webmaster that buckles for the model who needs a helping hand ;) So i guess in saying that, take advantage of it.

Dropping reality business sense to a model is like telling a kid why the sky is blue.

On my end, it is hard to explain how much money and resources it takes to SEO a model's name on Google first page results. Taking the SEO keywords and converting them to sales.

People in the SEO business know the cost runs into the thousands a month.

I personally charge on mainstream SEO 3000.00 a month....that is my platinum service.

Anyway, talent should always be contracted for about a year.

A good contract goes a long way.

Model Gisele · 05-17-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I must ask, instead of making such demands as everything being in your name, how come instead, you dont simply have proper contracts in place that guarantee you your percent of net profit?

You have to remember, programs are the ones who make you well known, a hot interactive model helps. Programs are the ones who offer a rare service, theres a handful left who are capable, want to know how many girls would be willing to shoot nude photography? I have high standards when it comes to models appearances and it still doesn't take me very long of looking to find a new model. Photographers come to me with them quite often

Autumn Riley is one of the biggest models in the past few years, shes made the top 5 in a couple sections on missfreeones, she was the top searched on freeones for her first year. She hasn't been involved since before her launch. never interacted with a single member.

PrivateSchoolJewel ended cam shows, guess how much sales dropped, not much.

People overvalue interaction a great deal. I can understand why. But its simply not the truth, its a help. and not even close to giving the model the rights to call the shots and have ownership. given that the model could walk away with a rare service at anytime. a service that lasts the life of the models adult career

And without the marketing of programs, they dont even add you on facebook, twitter.

(besides the mfc visitors, who see you naked for free and aren't exactly the highest converting of crowds when it comes to paid memberships, more are likely not to rebill considering your on cam for free most days)

Those revenues you get on MFC, which you spend a decent amount of time on, doesn't even factor into the percent that the webmaster might get out of the partnership. So do you still think your interaction makes your part equal? Very few people and all models think MFC is a great help , like im sure you believe since you do it but most programs wont let their models near it. And definitely the ones i talk to who are still going strong wouldn't.

No worries, not bashing me at all! I 100% agree with your points.. and since I am a woman who believes in fair business, I of course will put something in writing to provide security for my new partner/webmaster. I of course am not going to expect 100% from someone with limited options. I'm simply reversing the roles that majority of this industry is abiding by. I the model wish to own all the contents on the site as well as the domain and brand. With that I take on full responsibility that comes with those rights. I do not see what the problem is? Why is it such a foreign concept to grasp that the model own what is inevitably theirs, and still pay out % for duties not capable of preforming? Just because the President of the company micro manages and in essence "runs" a business, does not give them the authority to say have ownership... But of course they are still granted authority and generous compensations..
I believe in playing fair.. webmasters will be compensated just the same as any other webmaster.. And of course, being that I am not a total idiot, I am aware that something will need to be put in place to assure them my responsibilities will be preformed in a professional manner. Since the site will be mine, there already is a certain level of assurance that I will not be leaving anytime soon, but a contract of some sorts will be presented for the obvious security.. I am very big on incentives and if you do well to me, I more than return the favor

I do however think it is very bias of you to label models as not putting in the grueling hours.. Majority of webmasters if not all, have numerous solo sites so the hours could get intense, no doubt.. but we the models also have other professions that require hours as well. It is highly unfair to make references that models have a lighter work load than webmasters..
I will not get into a debate on who or what is more important when it comes to the technicalities of what makes a site successful.. but tread lightly when you say that a model's interaction isn't a big factor. I personally beg to differ being that I believe that majority of my "success" in this business is based on that quality alone

I will not go into detail on what all i have "sacrificed" to get where I am today.. but it doesn't always take loads of cash to get where you are.. but that being said, I too have footed the bill as well. With out offending anyone, I honestly believe models that are in a position of wanting to be involved in more of the business aspect of their brand, should and encourage them to do so. It isn't for everyone and yes some models are content with doing shoots and getting a pay check. After years of sitting back letting others profit from my images, I finally am choosing to be pro active and capitalizing on the services that I am providing for members to even want to pay 5 dollars to anyone.. Webmasters will and shall receive compensation for their services, and I will for mine.
It takes a village to run any successful business, so it is a very blind way of approaching things if one actually believes one has any importance over another.. Ya cant drive a car if it doesn't have wheels lol

based on personal experience I am choosing to be the sole owner in any new projects. I am not making demands that are impractical. I am simply wanting to be the owner. You mentioned the model's interaction alone does not give them the rights to call the shots...? How about the fact it is my nudity, reputation, and sacrifice of potential careers in the future? Not to mention the man hours that are invested behind the scenes with member chats, marketing, emails, photoshoots, editing and so forth. Yes this is a profession I choose and genuinely love. But this has become more to me than just "easy money". This will not last forever, and I am prepared to take authority and making this more of a career. I believe in my brand more than anyone else probably ever will, that is enough reason alone for me to find it completely appropriate to be the sole owner.
Webmasters are important and needed. So I will be hiring such

Without sounding rude, I wont go further with any more discussion or debate in relevance to webmasters vs models lol because it is an endless battle LOL.. I will elaborate more to those interested in doing business with me ;) All I will say is I do realize the importance of webmasters and of course models... But I am in a position where I personally am ready to move forward to an even bigger role than "talent"

Model Gisele · 05-17-2012, 09:57 AM

Anywho back on topic.. Anyone get paid from the oh so awesome cash program LCC? ;)

st0ned · 05-17-2012, 10:09 AM

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Anywho back on topic.. Anyone get paid from the oh so awesome cash program LCC? ;)

Of course not. Thieving bastards.

Model Gisele · 05-17-2012, 01:12 PM

LMAO ... ditto. ditto

spunky99 · 05-17-2012, 02:20 PM

i know who did

st0ned · 05-17-2012, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spunky99

i know who did

Get paid?

Though they don't owe me a TON of cash or anything, it is the principal.

Thinking about launching some SEO sites on their names so that all of their friends and family can see that they are no good con artists, similar to those around Chris Mallick.

violetdoll · 05-18-2012, 10:52 PM

Gisele and I put a lot of time into our sites. We wouldn't be posting here if we just showed up for shoots and didn't give a fuck. We're not stupid, and a lot of hard work went down the drain with the end of our sites.

Both of us are very interactive with our fans on a daily basis. We did editing work, promo, etc. I pretty much did all the basic webmaster work for viorotica, like managing content on the CMS. I manually recorded, watermarked, and uploaded all my member chats for some time while the site was broken. Not saying any of this is difficult, but it was time consuming. Granted a good program/webmaster would never allow this kind of thing.

Some of these posts are kind of hurtful. I don't get why affiliates specifically would have such a low opinion of the people who make them money. Typical misogynistic attitude of the industry I suppose.

I myself don't believe all webmasters and affiliates are con artists and assholes, just because I've had shitty luck with who I've worked for. You shouldn't assume all models are morons.

DigitalTheory · 05-19-2012, 12:17 PM

I see they treat their photographers just as bad as they treat their affiliates.

http://adult-industry-thieves.tumblr.com/

Roald · 05-19-2012, 02:48 PM

Funny how I bumped into Abbie in Miami....

Hank_Heartland · 05-19-2012, 03:54 PM

You get your money?

Nurgle · 05-19-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Funny how I bumped into Abbie in Miami....

did u body slam the bitch?

1215 · 05-19-2012, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Funny how I bumped into Abbie in Miami....

ew.

miami is a place where people wear bathing suits. soooooo....uhhhhhh...pics or it didn't happen!

James · 05-21-2012, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Bryci was launched in 07 or so. No later than 08. And yes thats one of the more recent bigger sites, shows yeah something when somebody asks for recent and a 2007-2008 site is what you can name. Since then Katie Banks, Talia Shepherd, AvaDawn, etc haven't done much. I mean they do decent and he knows what hes doing. But as far as numbers youre talking about. Nope.

I don't post much in GFY because I'm too busy and well, some in GFY have that rep as being gossip trains from time to time. Fuck high school. Thanks.

In doing a search for Bryci I found this thread though and against better judgement, am replying. Not trying to stir drama here but Pseudonymous, remind me who you are again? (jokes, I know who you are) Point being, you talk like you're some industry expert and last time I checked, you're not. Don't get me wrong.. you have some great sites, congrats, but that hardly gives you the knowledge you speak of.

Bryci started Feb 02, 2009 btw. It's been one hell of a ride and we're still having a blast. You talk like you know details about all our sites and what they make but reality is, you don't. You're guessing and that's fine but you might want to state that next time is all I'm saying.

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this is entertaining

ha, no shit hey?

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

James (bellacash) tried very recently, didn't work out. Im not sure of the details but as far as I know, the website is in her name and I wouldn't work with her because of that detail alone, i dont use my resources to build somebody elses business up so they can part ways. Also from what I know, shes a pain to get shoots out of.

Her skin is rather aged also.

XOXOLeah is the one out of those xoxocash girls who needs to be scooped up.

At least you pointed out you don't know the details. Thanks for this.

When I started working with Kara, her owning her domain was not an issue. She had her reasons and I respected those reasons. It had zero to do with it. There were other reasons involved that are not for public consumption. If Kara wishes to make them public, she has my full blessing and she knows this. We didn't part on bad terms, we last spoke last week. Simplest explanation, shitty timing. Life happens.

"Her skin is rather aged also"

Yikes, are you trying to rack up points with future models? You never talk shit of a model, regardless of what you think/feel etc. Just my two cents on that anyway. If a model is lazy, fine, call her on it but to discuss her appearance is hitting models where they live, you'll find that comment resonates with other models and not in a good way.

Quick note to anyone that plays the "what do others make" game. - Do you honestly think because you're not doing X dollars or your webmaster buddy to the left or right isn't do X dollars (that he or she is telling you about anyway) that means nobody is doing decent coin? I wouldn't begin to guess what other sites make or don't make. Mostly because I don't care, but secondly because I don't care. I worry about my sites, not predicting what others might or might not do.

Everyone is an expert last time I checked. I know I am. No, seriously, ask me. (don't)

Gisele - we've chatted extensively in the past - you know my opinion on things without me posting it. I wish you nothing but the best in your future site!

Violet - Best of luck on Chaterbate and if you do a new site down the road, good luck with that too!

I wish everyone the best, as always! Continued success!

Pseudonymous · 05-21-2012, 10:02 PM

Not surprised the slightest that you feel the need to defend yourself.

But I am still going to stand by my opinion that you haven't had a site make more than 10k a month since Bryci. I dont expect you to prove me wrong also. And 2008 or 2009 , doesn't really matter because my point was, it wasn't at all recent. 3 years in this niche is like a 30 percent drop.

And do you know why I know why I know what sites make, ballpark figures? Because its a small niche. There are only so many affiliates in this niche, there are only so many places to push the models, etc

Facts are:

Your traffic numbers for all sites besides bryci's are minimal (public information), if you convert at the same rate as bryci, then that means they are doing worse, the only way your other sites would make as much as bryci is that they convert at double the rate. Which I can say with full confidence, not happening.

Another way to gather information from sites is sites linking in, while alexa isn't a tell all and greatest source of information, it does give you a ballpark.

Take Kendra Rain for example, traffic numbers dont exist, sites linking in, hardly, site was a failure.

Another example, freeones. While you can't say what you convert on freeones, with 1/3rd of the searches, you can gather that youre pulling in less sales than somebody who is top searched.

These things are evidence, which build a case that lead me to my opinion.

Theres also your conversion rate on my 15k/day site, dougs site, bodsforthemods, etc etc

Then theres the fact that youre girlfriend is a model of yours, this same model went from doing softcore to toys recently. You switched from offering no pussy in promo and censorship to absolutely no sensorship and full out toys in promo.

While you can say thats adapting to the times or whatever, I suggest thats trying to increase sales after being dropped, especially given its human nature to not want your girlfriend to show more than she has to. Thats how I see it, while i could be wrong, obviously... these facts give me a good reason to believe so.

Then theres the fact that youre sites all had designs, at the same time you switched your designs that you paid for, to a stock elevatedx design. You chose to go with a default design for a cms. Not often do webmasters switch designs until theyre trying to spark things back up.

"Her skin is rather aged also"

[quote=Jamesdot[/quote]"Yikes, are you trying to rack up points with future models? You never talk shit of a model, regardless of what you think/feel etc. Just my two cents on that anyway. If a model is lazy, fine, call her on it but to discuss her appearance is hitting models where they live, you'll find that comment resonates with other models and not in a good way. "

Dude lol I called out a flaw she has, shes still an attractive girl, if a model of mine has a flaw, i say something about it, im not here to sugarcoat things, if i have a flaw, tell me. I dont care. This is a business, if i were going to worry about pointing out flaws, then i'd be making work very hard on myself while always walking on eggshells for models. Shes not 18 anymore, im sure she knows that. I dont need to kiss ass like some webmasters do with models. I do just fine with being honest. Mentioning flaws of a model on a forum with other producers and webmasters is hardly a big deal.

BTW this was posted on another adult forum by you:

"I knew better here, sorry guys. The only time in my entire work history I was fine with the model owning her domain. Hell, even with Bryci, I own the domain. Kara had me sold she was a hard worker, she had all these stories about Rich not working and not doing this/that/the other. She was fine and seemed like she was going to kick ass, then she pulled a 'cam model' move and well, acted like a cam model.

Cam models are the laziest of all models in my opinion. I am sure there are some exceptions but usually, they're full of excuses. Ah well, live and learn.

Again, sorry for headache."

"Quick note to anyone that plays the "what do others make" game. - Do you honestly think because you're not doing X dollars or your webmaster buddy to the left or right isn't do X dollars (that he or she is telling you about anyway) that means nobody is doing decent coin? I wouldn't begin to guess what other sites make or don't make. Mostly because I don't care, but secondly because I don't care. I worry about my sites, not predicting what others might or might not do."

Actually traffic levels are basically public info, and given that we all use the same resources for traffic and sales, its VERY common that ratios are pretty close, the only reason somebody else can make a crazy better ratio, if theyre offering something youre not or have more affiliate or more self promotion, which would be evidence in traffic numbers.

If you go through all the active reputable solo girls on 3-4 huge solo girl affiliate sites, I can guarantee you that ratios will be the same. Theres nothing your solo girl sites offer that others don't, they all do basically the same conversion rate. Some do better than others, sure. To the extent to where a 5k/day site gets 10k+ in sales. No.

Pseudonymous · 05-21-2012, 10:24 PM

Its not a coincidence that Autumn made very similar to PrivateSchoolJewel while their traffic numbers were equal.

When you share such a similar business model and its one that hasn't changed even a tiny bit in god knows how long, your earnings are going to be similar. If shes a hit, she gets more traffic and more earnings, if shes not, less traffic, less money.

If traffic is public information, well then..

Pseudonymous · 05-21-2012, 10:53 PM

I think generalizing all webcam models as lazy and full of excuses is alot worse than stating a girl has a visual flaw now that shes a bit older.

I have turned down many models before because they didn't meet my visual criteria.

Why does everybody try to act different and like an over the top gentleman while knowing a model is around and possibly reading..

His Infernal Majesty · 05-21-2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Theres also your conversion rate on my 15k/day site,

What site is this? I've seen you mention these sites before but never name them.

I don't think it's easy to profile a site's earnings, though. Ratios can be similar but some girls just get significantly more attention/clicks when their updates are posted. Other girls have a far reaching affiliate network behind them. Other girls have a very loyal fanbase.

I think back in the day 100 sales a day was considered tops. That's about 3000 monthly members. I'm not sure how many people were really doing that, but I know some sites were...I'm not sure what anyone is doing today. Is 10K a month tops now for a new site? That's about 500 members, no?

Even if you take that into account, the percentage of those sales made by affiliates also can vary widely. If affiliates make up 10% of your sales compared to 50% of your sales, you can do a lot less sales per day and still make the same amount of money.

Mutt · 05-21-2012, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Not surprised the slightest that you feel the need to defend yourself.

But I am still going to stand by my opinion that you haven't had a site make more than 10k a month since Bryci. I dont expect you to prove me wrong also. And 2008 or 2009 , doesn't really matter because my point was, it wasn't at all recent. 3 years in this niche is like a 30 percent drop.

And do you know why I know why I know what sites make, ballpark figures? Because its a small niche. There are only so many affiliates in this niche, there are only so many places to push the models, etc

Facts are:

Your traffic numbers for all sites besides bryci's are minimal (public information), if you convert at the same rate as bryci, then that means they are doing worse, the only way your other sites would make as much as bryci is that they convert at double the rate. Which I can say with full confidence, not happening.

Another way to gather information from sites is sites linking in, while alexa isn't a tell all and greatest source of information, it does give you a ballpark.

Take Kendra Rain for example, traffic numbers dont exist, sites linking in, hardly, site was a failure.

Another example, freeones. While you can't say what you convert on freeones, with 1/3rd of the searches, you can gather that youre pulling in less sales than somebody who is top searched.

These things are evidence, which build a case that lead me to my opinion.

Theres also your conversion rate on my 15k/day site, dougs site, bodsforthemods, etc etc

Then theres the fact that youre girlfriend is a model of yours, this same model went from doing softcore to toys recently. You switched from offering no pussy in promo and censorship to absolutely no sensorship and full out toys in promo.

While you can say thats adapting to the times or whatever, I suggest thats trying to increase sales after being dropped, especially given its human nature to not want your girlfriend to show more than she has to. Thats how I see it, while i could be wrong, obviously... these facts give me a good reason to believe so.

Then theres the fact that youre sites all had designs, at the same time you switched your designs that you paid for, to a stock elevatedx design. You chose to go with a default design for a cms. Not often do webmasters switch designs until theyre trying to spark things back up.

"Her skin is rather aged also"

"Yikes, are you trying to rack up points with future models? You never talk shit of a model, regardless of what you think/feel etc. Just my two cents on that anyway. If a model is lazy, fine, call her on it but to discuss her appearance is hitting models where they live, you'll find that comment resonates with other models and not in a good way. "

Dude lol I called out a flaw she has, shes still an attractive girl, if a model of mine has a flaw, i say something about it, im not here to sugarcoat things, if i have a flaw, tell me. I dont care. This is a business, if i were going to worry about pointing out flaws, then i'd be making work very hard on myself while always walking on eggshells for models. Shes not 18 anymore, im sure she knows that. I dont need to kiss ass like some webmasters do with models. I do just fine with being honest. Mentioning flaws of a model on a forum with other producers and webmasters is hardly a big deal.

BTW this was posted on another adult forum by you:

"I knew better here, sorry guys. The only time in my entire work history I was fine with the model owning her domain. Hell, even with Bryci, I own the domain. Kara had me sold she was a hard worker, she had all these stories about Rich not working and not doing this/that/the other. She was fine and seemed like she was going to kick ass, then she pulled a 'cam model' move and well, acted like a cam model.

Cam models are the laziest of all models in my opinion. I am sure there are some exceptions but usually, they're full of excuses. Ah well, live and learn.

Again, sorry for headache."

"Quick note to anyone that plays the "what do others make" game. - Do you honestly think because you're not doing X dollars or your webmaster buddy to the left or right isn't do X dollars (that he or she is telling you about anyway) that means nobody is doing decent coin? I wouldn't begin to guess what other sites make or don't make. Mostly because I don't care, but secondly because I don't care. I worry about my sites, not predicting what others might or might not do."

Actually traffic levels are basically public info, and given that we all use the same resources for traffic and sales, its VERY common that ratios are pretty close, the only reason somebody else can make a crazy better ratio, if theyre offering something youre not or have more affiliate or more self promotion, which would be evidence in traffic numbers.

If you go through all the active reputable solo girls on 3-4 huge solo girl affiliate sites, I can guarantee you that ratios will be the same. Theres nothing your solo girl sites offer that others don't, they all do basically the same conversion rate. Some do better than others, sure. To the extent to where a 5k/day site gets 10k+ in sales. No.

jesus calm down. we talk all the time but you are out of control in this thread.

Pseudonymous · 05-21-2012, 11:32 PM

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jesus calm down. we talk all the time but you are out of control in this thread.

What are you talking about? lol he said you said judge a sites success from the outside, i believe you can and stated reasons for my argument/opinion. Hardly out of control ;)

I haven't criticized him once, i think hes a good solo girl site operator, better than most and i think hes doing a good job. While I do mention my opinion that his later sites haven't reached that number (that shouldn't be a criticism) i also should mention i dont think its due to him. But regardless, I still dont believe they have and thats my point.

Which like i said, not due to him, ive seen him rants about the models not showing up for shoots, ive read a few of them pretty recently.

Pseudonymous · 05-21-2012, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by His Infernal Majesty

What site is this? I've seen you mention these sites before but never name them.

I don't think it's easy to profile a site's earnings, though. Ratios can be similar but some girls just get significantly more attention/clicks when their updates are posted. Other girls have a far reaching affiliate network behind them. Other girls have a very loyal fanbase.

I think back in the day 100 sales a day was considered tops. That's about 3000 monthly members. I'm not sure how many people were really doing that, but I know some sites were...I'm not sure what anyone is doing today. Is 10K a month tops now for a new site? That's about 500 members, no?

Even if you take that into account, the percentage of those sales made by affiliates also can vary widely. If affiliates make up 10% of your sales compared to 50% of your sales, you can do a lot less sales per day and still make the same amount of money.

Yeah around 500 members is real good, not tops. Very few will reach that these days IMO, but the top ones will and then maybe even more. but not a whole lot more.

Also depends on how hard you promote yourself too, greater profit margin. (as you see the full sale) - Theres also extra cam revenues.

In my opinions of numbers, im never talking about cam numbers, might i add, just membership sales.

I run sexabulous.com (the 15k/day solo girl site), then a bunch of art niche sites, a teen site and a big tit niche site. All over 15k/day.

Mutt · 05-21-2012, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

What are you talking about? lol he said you said judge a sites success from the outside, i believe you can and stated reasons for my argument/opinion. Hardly out of control ;)

there's some truth in your arguments but why are you so intent on arguing with everybody? i tease you about how argumentative you are - you love to argue about everything not just solo girl sites. you want to be right about everything.

you are arguing about OTHER PEOPLE'S BUSINESSES AND LIVES - to some people that's just rude, whether people BS or not you're not going to help yourself or anybody by setting them straight.

Pseudonymous · 05-22-2012, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

there's some truth in your arguments but why are you so intent on arguing with everybody? i tease you about how argumentative you are - you love to argue about everything not just solo girl sites. you want to be right about everything.

you are arguing about OTHER PEOPLE'S BUSINESSES AND LIVES - to some people that's just rude, whether people BS or not you're not going to help yourself or anybody by setting them straight.

Not arguing, I believe arguing is when you lose your composure. Its a forum. Its meant for debate. I didn't attack anyone personally. I stated my opinion on what sites make in this niche. Not my problem if owners of sites come in here offended because i have an opinion of their sales levels and its not up to their standards. Since nobody else is honest about their sales, i figured i'd be honest about sales publically and give people more accurate information on a forum so when they use the search function, they can learn something and not have unrealistic expectations. Everybody always says they make a ton, its always a good sale day with people. Im going to state i dont believe thats true. Im never going to claim i know and im not going to write 'IMO' after every single line but i am definitely going to give my opinion. I think this thread had more realistic information than any other thread in recently history and i rather see threads like that.

And I do think i help people out by being honest by not exaggerating, not worrying about my image, and not saying i make millions doing this. For example, if sexypattycake owner wanted to start a new site, possibly before this thread, he might believe all these people claiming they make 15k-20k a month and he could go in with those expectations and end up at a loss. I rather see him go into a new site with a realistic vision and make it - with more realistic expectations, he might do his next project on more of a shoestring budget.

I think giving information and opinions to guys who haven't launched in a while can only benefit them, they dont need to fully believe but the consideration that everybody isn't making a ton helps alot in future decision making. It also helps models with unrealistic expectations, why do you think so many quit after starting a site, i can't count how many times models have been lied to about their potential earnings

His Infernal Majesty · 05-22-2012, 12:15 AM

It's good to be passionate about what you do. And I agree this thread is pretty informative on many levels: from the original topic, to the treatment of models, to today's numbers compared to the past.

I have a lot of respect for every solo webmaster/model still standing, it isn't easy!

LOL and I like that last part you added, it's nice that you're worried about me

I'm not really looking to launch any new sites, though. I'll leave that to you guys! I just find numbers interesting, same reason I follow baseball.

epitome · 05-22-2012, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Not arguing, I believe arguing is when you lose your composure. Its a forum. Its meant for debate. I didn't attack anyone personally. I stated my opinion on what sites make in this niche. Not my problem if owners of sites come in here offended because i have an opinion of their sales levels and its not up to their standards. Since nobody else is honest about their sales, i figured i'd be honest about sales publically and give people more accurate information on a forum so when they use the search function, they can learn something and not have unrealistic expectations. Everybody always says they make a ton, its always a good sale day with people. Im going to state i dont believe thats true. Im never going to claim i know and im not going to write 'IMO' after every single line but i am definitely going to give my opinion. I think this thread had more realistic information than any other thread in recently history and i rather see threads like that.

And I do think i help people out by being honest by not exaggerating, not worrying about my image, and not saying i make millions doing this. For example, if sexypattycake owner wanted to start a new site, possibly before this thread, he might believe all these people claiming they make 15k-20k a month and he could go in with those expectations and end up at a loss. I rather see him go into a new site with a realistic vision and make it - with more realistic expectations, he might do his next project on more of a shoestring budget.

I think giving information and opinions to guys who haven't launched in a while can only benefit them, they dont need to fully believe but the consideration that everybody isn't making a ton helps alot in future decision making. It also helps models with unrealistic expectations, why do you think so many quit after starting a site, i can't count how many times models have been lied to about their potential earnings

While I get what you're saying, I've seen the numbers of quite a few sites (actual numbers from logging into CCBill, etc. to help them) and have found that it's really hard to predict what people are doing. I've seen some sites where they are making good money and it makes absolutely no sense to me. I've seen others where I thought they were bigger but ended up doing nothing like I had them pegged at.

I've seen an Alexa 900k paysite that does better than an Alexa 100k one.

Now I have heard that solo is these days and I imagine it is. A girl can make good money on cam and while in the past she would focus more on her site, these days she's probably more focused on cam.

Just trying to say that it's very hard to judge a book by its cover in this industry.

epitome · 05-22-2012, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Funny how I bumped into Abbie in Miami....

Did she offer to buy you drinks?

Pseudonymous · 05-22-2012, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome

While I get what you're saying, I've seen the numbers of quite a few sites (actual numbers from logging into CCBill, etc. to help them) and have found that it's really hard to predict what people are doing. I've seen some sites where they are making good money and it makes absolutely no sense to me. I've seen others where I thought they were bigger but ended up doing nothing like I had them pegged at.

I've seen an Alexa 900k paysite that does better than an Alexa 100k one.

Now I have heard that solo is these days and I imagine it is. A girl can make good money on cam and while in the past she would focus more on her site, these days she's probably more focused on cam.

Just trying to say that it's very hard to judge a book by its cover in this industry.

When youre heavily involved in the niche, it helps you understand a bit more because you know where all the affiliates are that have traffic and can send sales (in the niche) and you can see how often theyre content is being put on there, you can see where they rank on the site, you can compare ratios and rebill ratios with them (there are a few ok with sharing) If youre signed up to them and actively promote them, you can also see how often theyre sending out promo gals

When you closely pay attention to other sites as you go (which i do), its easier than if you just tried to judge a site without really being involved in the niche or followed. Im not saying i could just look at met-art and know what its grossing, if i were to guess, i know i woldn't be remotely close, same with basically every other site outside this niche. But because im involved with the affiliates of solo, involved heavily on the affiliate side and paysite side. Its not hard to gather enough data to get a ballpark, given that traffic numbers are public and the business model is nearly identical.

Also its not about alexa ranking, it's about traffic reach. Thats their traffic levels basically. Alexa's traffic levels have been nearly on spot with every site ive ever owned in adult, hundreds, if not thousands of tgps and mgps in the past. So I do trust in its ability to give me a good estimation of traffic levels

fuzebox · 05-22-2012, 12:33 AM

The numbers thrown around in this thread are enlightening

James · 05-22-2012, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

ive seen him rants about the models not showing up for shoots, ive read a few of them pretty recently.

I'm pretty sure you're not talking about me here, are you? You must be talking about someone else. I say this because I haven't booked anyone to shoot since the last time I shot and they showed up just fine. I've been fortunate to never have a model stand me up, not in the entire time I've been in the biz.

Protip - I don't shoot strangers, that increases the odds greatly.

As for your other claims, thank you for the late night smile.

Best of luck in the industry Ryan, sounds like you've got it all nailed down.

Mutt - Hope to see some new stuff soon, you always find great models!

Pseudonymous · 05-22-2012, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamesdot

I'm pretty sure you're not talking about me here, are you? You must be talking about someone else. I say this because I haven't booked anyone to shoot since the last time I shot and they showed up just fine. I've been fortunate to never have a model stand me up, not in the entire time I've been in the biz.

Protip - I don't shoot strangers, that increases the odds greatly.

As for your other claims, thank you for the late night smile.

Best of luck in the industry Ryan, sounds like you've got it all nailed down.

Mutt - Hope to see some new stuff soon, you always find great models!

Yep not sure where I get my information. Its actually from you:

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Originally Posted by Jamesdot

I knew better here, sorry guys. The only time in my entire work history I was fine with the model owning her domain. Hell, even with Bryci, I own the domain. Kara had me sold she was a hard worker, she had all these stories about Rich not working and not doing this/that/the other. She was fine and seemed like she was going to kick ass, then she pulled a 'cam model' move and well, acted like a cam model.

Cam models are the laziest of all models in my opinion. I am sure there are some exceptions but usually, they're full of excuses. Ah well, live and learn.

Again, sorry for headache.

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Originally Posted by Jamesdot

All part of the game hey Ariel? For every hard worker we deal with how many are not hard workers? LOL what is it.. 100-1?

Oh, your internet was out? I understand. (then you see her on MFC 30 minutes later)
Oh, you're feeling sick, gotcha. (then you see her on MFC 30 minutes later)
Oh, you'll get new content up tomorrow? Awesome. (content doesn't arrive.. she was on MFC all day)

Every webmaster here has these stories.

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Originally Posted by Jamesdot

When a model doesn't update photos or videos, ever, it makes it hard for us to do our job.

and theres lots more but i think this one below is enough to prove my point

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Originally Posted by Jamesdot

I'm not adding any new solo models to bella in 2012.. solo models are
fucking crazy and that's being polite and i *know* you know what I am
talking about. For every one sane normal hard worker, you have to wade
through a ton of batshit crazy lazy women. Cam models being the worst,
they have time for everything else, mfc etc.. but need content? LOL
good one.

All recent quotes

PAR · 05-22-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Funny how I bumped into Abbie in Miami....

Funny how she could afford to go to the show...
I guess scooping up all the companies money and running paid off...
Wonder what she had to say for herself... I can hear it now..
"Sorry I have all your cash and you never got paid, but I'll buy you a beer at the show and that will make it all better. Please promote my new sites that I made with the cash I stole from you, the models and my partners."

James · 05-22-2012, 12:04 PM

Playing copy/paste from a closed webmaster board to try and make your point? What grade did you say you were in again? Way to gain your fellow webmaster's respect. You were drawing your own conclusions based on things I said, taken out of context from the entire thread in NNM. I understand the mistake you made here.

You said and I quote - "ive seen him rants about the models not showing up for shoots, ive read a few of them pretty recently."

I pointed out I hadn't booked anyone to shoot and I'd know this better than anyone would. So was I ranting about girls not showing up to shoot? No. What I was talking about was based on years of experience and talking with other webbies. How many girls that are on webcam networks that say one thing (ie - I will have new content in today), and then do another (ie - my internet was out so I didn't do new content but oh look, I had internet to mfc). Not exactly ground breaking information Ryan, pretty much every webbie knows this already if they have dealt with cam models.

There are honest hard working cam models out there, as I said. Then there are also batshit crazy cam models, as I said. If you finish the context though for shits and giggles, I also pointed out there are good webmasters, and then on the flip side, also batshit crazy webmasters. Like I said, nothing everyone doesn't already know.

So you quoted me saying things we all know, when all I was pointing out is that I have not had girls ditch on me scheduled to shoot them.

This thread wasn't about you until you stepped in as Joe Knowledge, and it sure as fuck wasn't about me until you started using my sites as examples. I came in to point out you were guessing. Others are telling you to chill, and you keep on trucking.

Not sure why or what is gained but have fun man.

Roald · 05-22-2012, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAR

Funny how she could afford to go to the show...
I guess scooping up all the companies money and running paid off...
Wonder what she had to say for herself... I can hear it now..
"Sorry I have all your cash and you never got paid, but I'll buy you a beer at the show and that will make it all better. Please promote my new sites that I made with the cash I stole from you, the models and my partners."

In short:

- Asked if we could talk for a minute on the side
- She said she couldnt reply as it was in lawyers hands now
- However she said she is not a partner anymore
- I said ok but since you own the domains of the girls just put them on my name and we call it even
- She said cant do that I need to make a living.
- I said well fuck that so do we
- Then I got a bit heated and called her a fucking liar
- Then she grabbed her bag and took off leaving her model behind looking like WTF just happend.

And this was pretty much what I expected, she didnt even offer me a drink lol

AZNNC · 05-22-2012, 12:30 PM

LOL @ Thread.

trevesty · 05-22-2012, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald

In short:

- Asked if we could talk for a minute on the side
- She said she couldnt reply as it was in lawyers hands now
- However she said she is not a partner anymore
- I said ok but since you own the domains of the girls just put them on my name and we call it even
- She said cant do that I need to make a living.
- I said well fuck that so do we
- Then I got a bit heated and called her a fucking liar
- Then she grabbed her bag and took off leaving her model behind looking like WTF just happend.

And this was pretty much what I expected, she didnt even offer me a drink lol

TheSenator · 05-22-2012, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald

In short:

- Asked if we could talk for a minute on the side
- She said she couldnt reply as it was in lawyers hands now
- However she said she is not a partner anymore
- I said ok but since you own the domains of the girls just put them on my name and we call it even
- She said cant do that I need to make a living.
- I said well fuck that so do we
- Then I got a bit heated and called her a fucking liar
- Then she grabbed her bag and took off leaving her model behind looking like WTF just happend.

And this was pretty much what I expected, she didnt even offer me a drink lol

Fooo realzzz.....

Damn!

st0ned · 05-22-2012, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald

In short:

- Asked if we could talk for a minute on the side
- She said she couldnt reply as it was in lawyers hands now
- However she said she is not a partner anymore
- I said ok but since you own the domains of the girls just put them on my name and we call it even
- She said cant do that I need to make a living.
- I said well fuck that so do we
- Then I got a bit heated and called her a fucking liar
- Then she grabbed her bag and took off leaving her model behind looking like WTF just happend.

And this was pretty much what I expected, she didnt even offer me a drink lol

Classic.

MKA · 05-22-2012, 06:53 PM

by Abbie

Quote:

I was out of town for a bit on a couple trips (anyone on my FB could have seen this and posted it), but like i said, anyone who is owed by LCC can hit me up via PM. If you have screen shots of what you are owed, it's best for the reason i stated before.

I don't have access to LCC anymore, but I have been slowly paying peeps out of my own pocket.

I am back and reachable as always by email, fb, AIM, etc.

Side Note: I know people are pissed over what LCC did. Sean and Alex own and operate that program. I know they have absolutely no intention of paying anyone a dime. That is why I have chosen to pay people on my own, despite not even being on the corporate docs for over two years.

I find it ironic that several of the people in this thread are also the very same people who have stolen content from sites I own(ed) and used it for their own gain. Pot. Kettle. Black. But yet I haven't gone after them for compensation. I am a very reasonable person to work with. I have not denied the debt owed by LCC. I could be an asshole and not pay people at all, but that's not what I have done. If you guys thought I was sitting back getting rich off LCC, you are quite mistaken. I was not at all.

The reason I left LCC was because I caught Sean writing checks to himself, his brother and his girlfriend...and also using our bank account to purchase tanning beds for his new "spa" or whatever. All the banking was done in Canada by Sean. I merely only had access to login to the bank accounts and not the ability to send payments. Anyone who ever received payments from LCC in the past could see that those payments came from Toronto, Canada, not Seattle. Checks were signed by Alex and Sean. Sending payments was never something I was able to do. I did print out copies of every single statement and copies of all the checks ever written. I would be willing to share with an admin those so they can see that those checks written to sean, his brother, his gf, the tanning place, etc were indeed written by sean.

I did attempt to take over the Epoch payments so that I could pay out people (and I did so!), however, Alex immediately then removed Epoch from the sites so that he and Sean could retain the money. They then created a new corporation in nevada so that they could set up a new Epoch account.

All of the domains were in limbo for a bit as we argued. Sean and Alex retain ownership of OnHerCam.com, OnHerCam.tv, OnHerCamNetwork.com, LiveCamCash.com, GotGisele.com, Viorotica.com and a couple lil projects. I was able to get xoEve.com, CamWithCarmen.com, and CamerellaCams.com out of the situation, but because Sean didn't pay the Choopa bill for a few days (thus the downtime they had for a couple days), I was unable to port the sites over to my server. As a result, we have had to completely rebuild the sites and re upload the content on my new servers.

I don't care to get into the drama that's being spewed. And frankly, I am in a position due to legal stuffs where I cannot offer much more. But that's pretty much the gist of things.

Pseudonymous · 05-22-2012, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamesdot

Playing copy/paste from a closed webmaster board to try and make your point? What grade did you say you were in again? Way to gain your fellow webmaster's respect. You were drawing your own conclusions based on things I said, taken out of context from the entire thread in NNM. I understand the mistake you made here.

You said and I quote - "ive seen him rants about the models not showing up for shoots, ive read a few of them pretty recently."

I pointed out I hadn't booked anyone to shoot and I'd know this better than anyone would. So was I ranting about girls not showing up to shoot? No. What I was talking about was based on years of experience and talking with other webbies. How many girls that are on webcam networks that say one thing (ie - I will have new content in today), and then do another (ie - my internet was out so I didn't do new content but oh look, I had internet to mfc). Not exactly ground breaking information Ryan, pretty much every webbie knows this already if they have dealt with cam models.

There are honest hard working cam models out there, as I said. Then there are also batshit crazy cam models, as I said. If you finish the context though for shits and giggles, I also pointed out there are good webmasters, and then on the flip side, also batshit crazy webmasters. Like I said, nothing everyone doesn't already know.

So you quoted me saying things we all know, when all I was pointing out is that I have not had girls ditch on me scheduled to shoot them.

This thread wasn't about you until you stepped in as Joe Knowledge, and it sure as fuck wasn't about me until you started using my sites as examples. I came in to point out you were guessing. Others are telling you to chill, and you keep on trucking.

Not sure why or what is gained but have fun man.

What are you talking about? Grade? Are you implying it was immature of me to show you examples of why i formed my opinion? You laugh when i suggest that i think you have models not showing up and you say i clearly can't be talking about you, yet on another forum, you talk about how its impossible to get content from a model .. hmm wonder why i'd think that eh.. you say im totally wrong, yet the truth was, you couldn't get the content FROM her, not that she wasn't showing, sorry HUGE difference (completely changes everything. LOL)

I think its pretty clear when I said you were having issues with girls not showing up that i meant you were having issues getting content, if i was wrong with how you obtain content from your models is beside the point. The point i was clearly making is that you have had issues getting content. So you can try to argue technical details all you want.

Your rants about girls not showing up is just you randomly pointing out what facts from what you see around? Riiight. lol - its something you stated happens to everybody, which would include yourself. it was also evident by your posts that you've had it! which is something that comes out of frustration. webmasters dont get frustrated and quit making sites unless its happening to them

You have been frustrated with models and obtaining content. This affects sales. Period.

And about the quotes from a a closed webmaster board, does that make it right to talk like that about models? There are models ON that board, so if you truly think its something that shouldn't be said because its so personal, would you say that in a thread with ariel? Give me a break, youre trying to play it like youre some white knight in a thread where there are models you could potentially work with.

There was no need for you to come in here and patronize my opinion or be passive aggressive, considering everything i've said, is an opinion. This is obvious because i can't actually see your numbers, so anything i state on here is an assumption/opinion, whether its with good reason, is an opinion. So if you want to get all uppity because somebody doesn't think your sites make a fortune, go ahead.

If a corner store was setup on the same road and sold the exact same things for the exact same price, that store would have a pretty good estimation of what that other store is pulling in, while they could be off, the likeliness they could give up some accurate estimations is very likely. So you can get mad at me for giving my estimations of what your sites make but this isn't something that should upset you.

Pseudonymous · 05-22-2012, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamesdot

Not sure why or what is gained but have fun man.

And you say what is gained?? I dont understand this. Im on a board stating my opinions and i have strong opinions that others may get upset about for whatever reason. I dont see by any of my posts that im attacking anybody or that im even heated about the situation. You seem pissed off. Im just giving my opinions in a thread. Gained? Its nice to talk business and hear other peoples opinions, im sure mutt and sexypattycake owner , etc all share different views of the niche and theyre welcome to disagree but actually being offended by my posts, come on. lol if you weren't so worried about peoples image of your company and worried people might not thinking its making the fortune you want everybody to think (especially in a thread with models) you wouldn't be so threatened and you could take my opinion of your company with a grain of salt.

If somebody came on a board and said, i dont think autumn riley is making much because his traffic numbers are low, he doesn't send out much promo content and he just lost a model, do you think i'd be offended? Do you think i'd come in here telling them to keep their opinions to themself as if they have no right. LOL sorry bud but YOU need to relax

Being a program owner with an exact same business model, share similar affiliate base, both have top models in the niche, i think people here actually are curious to see my opinions of numbers people are pulling in, so suck it up

There has already been people in here stating they are interested in hearing numbers of what sites are pulling in, also gives it more credibility comign from somebody who is still launching sites currently. so if you say there is no need and nothing is gained, youre wrong , this is a forum about business and this is business talk. you can claim my projections are wrong, go ahead.

MKA · 05-23-2012, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald

Funny how I bumped into Abbie in Miami....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abbie

Yes, Roald tried to play the lil man with the big ego...he must truly think I'm stupid if I was going to give my domains and brands to him, as they are worth far more than the debt. Yes, I left because we were with a small group of people who were having a good time and I didn't want some big scene and I had to sort a mess with the girls' hotel room. It was a very posh place we were at and certainly not a place for a heated argument of the XXX nature.

He accused me of lying about the domains, which is completely false. Even the Epoch guys could verify that mess with the domains and helped us sort that mess out. Every step of the way, they had access to the domain ownership information and the back and forth drama. To be honest, without them, we probably would have had an even uglier mess.

Roald failed to mention that I was the only reason he got the payments they did receive. I was the only one who maintained contact with him since Sean didn't respond to them. I did do my best to facilitate things there. I never once denied the debt or stopped communicating with him in the months prior to me leaving LCC.

Regardless, Freeones is owed that money. I don't argue that. I will work on that debt with them as well, but they have to wait their turn. I cannot give them what I do not have, but I'm busting my butt trying to get the income flowing again.

Nurgle · 05-23-2012, 07:35 AM

im suprised freeones doesnt have a hitman to take out all these fucking sponsors who take them for a fortune!

Roald · 05-23-2012, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MKA

Haha thats great.

I am the lil man with the big ego though

And of course she stayed in touch with me als she is The One with The New program coming up. Good luck with that.

Roald · 05-23-2012, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKA

btw what is the link to this post?

Roald · 05-23-2012, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald

btw what is the link to this post?

nevermind, got it

http://iq69.com/showpost.php?p=454480&postcount=97

TheSenator · 05-23-2012, 04:17 PM

The water is all muddy. I can't tell who is lying and where the truth sits..

The legal battle between Trifecta Creations Inc. and Jennifer L. Redheart should get interesting.

PAR · 05-23-2012, 06:13 PM

I want everyone to know the facts of the situation.

I am posting this on behalf of Sean DeFreitas because he does not have enough posts to post a link through his personal GFY Account. If there are any questions Sean will be responding to them from his personal account.

Link To Legal Case Between Trifecta Creations, Inc. and Jennifer Redheart (Abbie)

http://www.mediafire.com/?dfw83aaoqd7128u

violetdoll · 05-23-2012, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald

In short:

- Asked if we could talk for a minute on the side
- She said she couldnt reply as it was in lawyers hands now
- However she said she is not a partner anymore
- I said ok but since you own the domains of the girls just put them on my name and we call it even
- She said cant do that I need to make a living.
- I said well fuck that so do we
- Then I got a bit heated and called her a fucking liar
- Then she grabbed her bag and took off leaving her model behind looking like WTF just happend.

And this was pretty much what I expected, she didnt even offer me a drink lol

Pretty much got the same reaction from her when I confronted her about LiveCamCash/solo site related issues when I was in Phx in 2011.

She avoided the topic, spouted off about non related issues, ran to the airport bathroom, came back crying, still avoided the topic.

05-16-2012, 05:18 PM	#202
Pseudonymous Photographer/Owner Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,661	And in order for it to not appear as if im just bashing you ... i do think what you bring to the table is more than most models, I think youre a great model and anyone would be lucky to have you, im only bringing these things up in order to argue the point about models deserving full ownership rights. what you bring to the table isn't nearly as much as webmasters and money do. and the fact its not as rare of a commodity You are also a model, you dont analyze the costs and you haven't been able to compare interaction profits vs non interaction profits, you haven't needed to spend a penny to get to where you are. So to suggest that what you bring to the table is equal is a bit naive no? I know sometimes models think they do half the work so they deserve half of everything and equal say but sometimes the people on the bottom of the totem poll do the most heavy lifting. Does it mean they should call the shots? Nope. Because they didn't sink hundreds of thousands of dollars to get to where they are. Nevermind the eff load of serious hours put in to be able to make you the money that you receive In the end, none of this matters because there will always be a webmaster that buckles for the model who needs a helping hand ;) So i guess in saying that, take advantage of it. __________________ Previous owner of SoloRevenue Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com Last edited by Pseudonymous; 05-16-2012 at 05:21 PM..

05-17-2012, 09:57 AM	#205
Model Gisele Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 36	Anywho back on topic.. Anyone get paid from the oh so awesome cash program LCC? ;) __________________ xoGisele on Twitter ... Gisele@MyFreeCams

05-17-2012, 01:12 PM	#207
Model Gisele Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 36	LMAO ... ditto. ditto __________________ xoGisele on Twitter ... Gisele@MyFreeCams

05-17-2012, 02:20 PM	#208
spunky99 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 3,462	i know who did __________________ Spunky Cash - GND Bank - Good Girls Bank - Bliss Bucks - Nuts For Mobile - Daddy I Get Paid To Be A Whore Click Here To Make Money With Spunky - Domains For Sale - ICQ 281841678

05-18-2012, 10:52 PM	#210
violetdoll Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 29	Gisele and I put a lot of time into our sites. We wouldn't be posting here if we just showed up for shoots and didn't give a fuck. We're not stupid, and a lot of hard work went down the drain with the end of our sites. Both of us are very interactive with our fans on a daily basis. We did editing work, promo, etc. I pretty much did all the basic webmaster work for viorotica, like managing content on the CMS. I manually recorded, watermarked, and uploaded all my member chats for some time while the site was broken. Not saying any of this is difficult, but it was time consuming. Granted a good program/webmaster would never allow this kind of thing. Some of these posts are kind of hurtful. I don't get why affiliates specifically would have such a low opinion of the people who make them money. Typical misogynistic attitude of the industry I suppose. I myself don't believe all webmasters and affiliates are con artists and assholes, just because I've had shitty luck with who I've worked for. You shouldn't assume all models are morons. Last edited by violetdoll; 05-18-2012 at 10:54 PM..

05-19-2012, 12:17 PM	#211
DigitalTheory ^-^ Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SacTown Posts: 1,055	I see they treat their photographers just as bad as they treat their affiliates. http://adult-industry-thieves.tumblr.com/

05-19-2012, 02:48 PM	#212
Roald SecretFriends.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: IMC Headquarters Posts: 27,880	Funny how I bumped into Abbie in Miami.... __________________ WE ARE BUYING PAY SITES! CONTACT ME ClubSweethearts \| ManUpFilms \| SinfulXXX \| HOT * AdultPrime * HOT Paying webmasters since 1996! Contact: r.riepen @ sansylgroup.com \| telegram: roaldr

05-19-2012, 03:54 PM	#213
Hank_Heartland Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: chicago, il Posts: 3,987	You get your money? __________________ Icq = 459565429 AIM = butlerhankb http://stripperpins.com Twitter = @stripperpins Facebook = Stripperpins.com [email protected]

05-21-2012, 10:02 PM	#217
Pseudonymous Photographer/Owner Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,661	Not surprised the slightest that you feel the need to defend yourself. But I am still going to stand by my opinion that you haven't had a site make more than 10k a month since Bryci. I dont expect you to prove me wrong also. And 2008 or 2009 , doesn't really matter because my point was, it wasn't at all recent. 3 years in this niche is like a 30 percent drop. And do you know why I know why I know what sites make, ballpark figures? Because its a small niche. There are only so many affiliates in this niche, there are only so many places to push the models, etc Facts are: Your traffic numbers for all sites besides bryci's are minimal (public information), if you convert at the same rate as bryci, then that means they are doing worse, the only way your other sites would make as much as bryci is that they convert at double the rate. Which I can say with full confidence, not happening. Another way to gather information from sites is sites linking in, while alexa isn't a tell all and greatest source of information, it does give you a ballpark. Take Kendra Rain for example, traffic numbers dont exist, sites linking in, hardly, site was a failure. Another example, freeones. While you can't say what you convert on freeones, with 1/3rd of the searches, you can gather that youre pulling in less sales than somebody who is top searched. These things are evidence, which build a case that lead me to my opinion. Theres also your conversion rate on my 15k/day site, dougs site, bodsforthemods, etc etc Then theres the fact that youre girlfriend is a model of yours, this same model went from doing softcore to toys recently. You switched from offering no pussy in promo and censorship to absolutely no sensorship and full out toys in promo. While you can say thats adapting to the times or whatever, I suggest thats trying to increase sales after being dropped, especially given its human nature to not want your girlfriend to show more than she has to. Thats how I see it, while i could be wrong, obviously... these facts give me a good reason to believe so. Then theres the fact that youre sites all had designs, at the same time you switched your designs that you paid for, to a stock elevatedx design. You chose to go with a default design for a cms. Not often do webmasters switch designs until theyre trying to spark things back up. "Her skin is rather aged also" [quote=Jamesdot[/quote]"Yikes, are you trying to rack up points with future models? You never talk shit of a model, regardless of what you think/feel etc. Just my two cents on that anyway. If a model is lazy, fine, call her on it but to discuss her appearance is hitting models where they live, you'll find that comment resonates with other models and not in a good way. " Dude lol I called out a flaw she has, shes still an attractive girl, if a model of mine has a flaw, i say something about it, im not here to sugarcoat things, if i have a flaw, tell me. I dont care. This is a business, if i were going to worry about pointing out flaws, then i'd be making work very hard on myself while always walking on eggshells for models. Shes not 18 anymore, im sure she knows that. I dont need to kiss ass like some webmasters do with models. I do just fine with being honest. Mentioning flaws of a model on a forum with other producers and webmasters is hardly a big deal. BTW this was posted on another adult forum by you: "I knew better here, sorry guys. The only time in my entire work history I was fine with the model owning her domain. Hell, even with Bryci, I own the domain. Kara had me sold she was a hard worker, she had all these stories about Rich not working and not doing this/that/the other. She was fine and seemed like she was going to kick ass, then she pulled a 'cam model' move and well, acted like a cam model. Cam models are the laziest of all models in my opinion. I am sure there are some exceptions but usually, they're full of excuses. Ah well, live and learn. Again, sorry for headache." "Quick note to anyone that plays the "what do others make" game. - Do you honestly think because you're not doing X dollars or your webmaster buddy to the left or right isn't do X dollars (that he or she is telling you about anyway) that means nobody is doing decent coin? I wouldn't begin to guess what other sites make or don't make. Mostly because I don't care, but secondly because I don't care. I worry about my sites, not predicting what others might or might not do." Actually traffic levels are basically public info, and given that we all use the same resources for traffic and sales, its VERY common that ratios are pretty close, the only reason somebody else can make a crazy better ratio, if theyre offering something youre not or have more affiliate or more self promotion, which would be evidence in traffic numbers. If you go through all the active reputable solo girls on 3-4 huge solo girl affiliate sites, I can guarantee you that ratios will be the same. Theres nothing your solo girl sites offer that others don't, they all do basically the same conversion rate. Some do better than others, sure. To the extent to where a 5k/day site gets 10k+ in sales. No. __________________ Previous owner of SoloRevenue Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com Last edited by Pseudonymous; 05-21-2012 at 10:17 PM..

05-21-2012, 10:24 PM	#218
Pseudonymous Photographer/Owner Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,661	Its not a coincidence that Autumn made very similar to PrivateSchoolJewel while their traffic numbers were equal. When you share such a similar business model and its one that hasn't changed even a tiny bit in god knows how long, your earnings are going to be similar. If shes a hit, she gets more traffic and more earnings, if shes not, less traffic, less money. If traffic is public information, well then.. __________________ Previous owner of SoloRevenue Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com

05-21-2012, 10:53 PM	#219
Pseudonymous Photographer/Owner Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,661	I think generalizing all webcam models as lazy and full of excuses is alot worse than stating a girl has a visual flaw now that shes a bit older. I have turned down many models before because they didn't meet my visual criteria. Why does everybody try to act different and like an over the top gentleman while knowing a model is around and possibly reading.. __________________ Previous owner of SoloRevenue Previous product manager @ Modelcentro.com/MCProfits.com, IsMyGirl.com, SMRevenue.com

05-22-2012, 12:15 AM	#226
His Infernal Majesty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 469	It's good to be passionate about what you do. And I agree this thread is pretty informative on many levels: from the original topic, to the treatment of models, to today's numbers compared to the past. I have a lot of respect for every solo webmaster/model still standing, it isn't easy! LOL and I like that last part you added, it's nice that you're worried about me I'm not really looking to launch any new sites, though. I'll leave that to you guys! I just find numbers interesting, same reason I follow baseball. Last edited by His Infernal Majesty; 05-22-2012 at 12:29 AM..

05-22-2012, 12:33 AM	#230
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,038	The numbers thrown around in this thread are enlightening

05-22-2012, 12:04 PM	#234
James Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Western Canada Posts: 89	Playing copy/paste from a closed webmaster board to try and make your point? What grade did you say you were in again? Way to gain your fellow webmaster's respect. You were drawing your own conclusions based on things I said, taken out of context from the entire thread in NNM. I understand the mistake you made here. You said and I quote - "ive seen him rants about the models not showing up for shoots, ive read a few of them pretty recently." I pointed out I hadn't booked anyone to shoot and I'd know this better than anyone would. So was I ranting about girls not showing up to shoot? No. What I was talking about was based on years of experience and talking with other webbies. How many girls that are on webcam networks that say one thing (ie - I will have new content in today), and then do another (ie - my internet was out so I didn't do new content but oh look, I had internet to mfc). Not exactly ground breaking information Ryan, pretty much every webbie knows this already if they have dealt with cam models. There are honest hard working cam models out there, as I said. Then there are also batshit crazy cam models, as I said. If you finish the context though for shits and giggles, I also pointed out there are good webmasters, and then on the flip side, also batshit crazy webmasters. Like I said, nothing everyone doesn't already know. So you quoted me saying things we all know, when all I was pointing out is that I have not had girls ditch on me scheduled to shoot them. This thread wasn't about you until you stepped in as Joe Knowledge, and it sure as fuck wasn't about me until you started using my sites as examples. I came in to point out you were guessing. Others are telling you to chill, and you keep on trucking. Not sure why or what is gained but have fun man. __________________ BellaPass

05-22-2012, 12:30 PM	#236
AZNNC Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 592	LOL @ Thread.

05-23-2012, 07:35 AM	#244
Nurgle Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Land of OZ Posts: 2,337	im suprised freeones doesnt have a hitman to take out all these fucking sponsors who take them for a fortune! __________________ I am not a megalomaniac.. I just rule the world Need Quality Hardlinks? We have several packages and custom deals available. High Quality Hard Links For Sale ICQ: 394016570

05-23-2012, 04:17 PM	#248
TheSenator Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 13,332	The water is all muddy. I can't tell who is lying and where the truth sits.. The legal battle between Trifecta Creations Inc. and Jennifer L. Redheart should get interesting. __________________ ISeekGirls.com since 2005

05-23-2012, 06:13 PM	#249
PAR Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,835	I want everyone to know the facts of the situation. I am posting this on behalf of Sean DeFreitas because he does not have enough posts to post a link through his personal GFY Account. If there are any questions Sean will be responding to them from his personal account. Link To Legal Case Between Trifecta Creations, Inc. and Jennifer Redheart (Abbie) http://www.mediafire.com/?dfw83aaoqd7128u