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Old 04-11-2012, 07:01 PM   #151
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What happened to innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW? The media already convicted the guy. The sheep are falling for it and black racists are jumping all over the opportunity to put a white guy behind bars. He should be released because there is no way he will get a fair trial after all the lies the media has spread.
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What happened to innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW? The media already convicted the guy. The sheep are falling for it and black racists are jumping all over the opportunity to put a white guy behind bars. He should be released because there is no way he will get a fair trial after all the lies the media has spread.
Did you say the same thing when Obama nailed bin Laden? Were you confused about that one too because there was no trial?
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So you picked "ThunderBalls" and "SuckOnThis" as you nicks and accuse me of some crazy gay shit?
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WTF are you talking about?
I think he's saying you're born and raised in Mexico, something about him driving 12 miles per gallon city bus and has to work night shift at drive thru tonight. Oh and that makes him better.
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So you picked "ThunderBalls" and "SuckOnThis" as you nicks and accuse me of some crazy gay shit?

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This was my impression from the interview. She didn't convince me at all that she even thought they had a case.
The thing is, the public insisted, so now the clock starts ticking. At least they got a 45 day head start.
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I think he's saying you're born and raised in Mexico, something about him driving 12 miles per gallon city bus and has to work night shift at drive thru tonight. Oh and that makes him better.
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B careful, he might arrest your ass for posting on porn forum and next thing you know you will be wearing those cute pink panties and fluffing 6'5" homie named LaTayron.
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Zimmerman will be charged, a jury will acquit.

riots will break out and people will burn shit.

End of story.
That would have been better in haiku form.
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shut down, jail time and a huge ass fine... Too long now has the media been doing shit like this.

Not like anything major will happen considering obama is basing his reelection campaign around the media nonsense.
I often wonder if some of you people live on another planet.
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2. Why would [this group] want to incite a race war?

When you look into these two questions it opens up a whole another can of worms.
I knew it, the illuminati is behind this whole thing.
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There is no proof that the kid so much as looked at Zimmerman.

For me it has nothing to do with race. I could care less what color the kid was or what color Zimmerman is. You have a armed full grown man who was stalking an un-armed kid. There is no proof that the kid attacked him, and no proof that there was even a fight. So far as we know, this Zimmerman just shot him dead for no reason.
My oh my, aren't you the pot calling the kettle black?

First you try to counter my statement by saying there's no proof... And then you go on to write up something that has absolutely no backing evidence whatsoever; and in fact the evidence we have thus far disproves half of what you wrote.

If he's guilty then let him rot... but you morons have already judged him guilty even when the evidence we have thus far says otherwise.
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Without the outcry the police and prosecutors wouldn't have done their jobs. You were right earlier when you said, "If Trayvon would have been white then none of this nonsense would be going on."

If he was white he wouldn't have been picked out, followed by an armed overzealous neighborhood watchmen and ultimately shot.
Oh get over the 'racial profiling' bit already... the 911 phone call proves that he wasn't even sure whether the kid was black or not.

You guys are so funny that it really is sad... you want street justice, nothing more. If you wanted real justice then you would stop playing the race card every 5 damn minute and let the police and courts do their damn job... speaking of which... el oh fucking el at them only doing their job because of this nonsense outcry for street justice... the police are the ones leaking most if not all of the false evidence the media has been using to try to make him look guilty. So if nothing else, the police are using the media to sway the public view of this zimmerman guy and hang him out as guilty before the actual facts are presented in courts.

Talk about a hypocritical bunch of asshats. If you want justice then shut the fuck up and let the courts do their job.
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Who's the only self hating, African American stereotype pushing Mexican in this thread?
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Oh get over the 'racial profiling' bit already... the 911 phone call proves that he wasn't even sure whether the kid was black or not.

You guys are so funny that it really is sad... you want street justice, nothing more. If you wanted real justice then you would stop playing the race card every 5 damn minute and let the police and courts do their damn job... speaking of which... el oh fucking el at them only doing their job because of this nonsense outcry for street justice... the police are the ones leaking most if not all of the false evidence the media has been using to try to make him look guilty. So if nothing else, the police are using the media to sway the public view of this zimmerman guy and hang him out as guilty before the actual facts are presented in courts.

Talk about a hypocritical bunch of asshats. If you want justice then shut the fuck up and let the courts do their job.
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what about hector i mean alex? you should have seen la raza in the sb 1070 thread
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Alex is a Mexican too? Didn't think Mexican's were into hockey but I can't say I'm surprised.
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He doesn't have to produce anything. It is the job of the state to prove that this was cold blooded murder.

It's innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. At least for a little bit longer.
Yes of course it is, I took that into account before my comment. In other words what I'm trying to say is that when you strip out the shooters personal commentary on what happened, you're left with evidence. That evidence looks TERRIBLE for the shooter. So he's going to have to almost produce a video showing that what he said happened actually did happen.
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Race should have nothing whatsoever to do with this case. It has no bearing on the case at all, and if you're stuck in a loop where everything is based on the races of the two men, then you should sit to the side and relax.

I hardly watch tv news anymore since dumping cable, and this morning I flipped on the local tv while drinking my coffee. It was on NBC and a few talking heads were busily and rudely interrupting each other while smiling and one comment I heard before changing it was "of course this case is about race". Such a load of bullshit. Entirely bullshit. Just because one person was black doesnt make it based on race. Just because one person is hispanic doesnt make it based on race. Just because one person or both people or every witness was whatever the fuck race doesnt make it based on race.

One man followed another man intending to interrogate or question why he was there, and then killed him after a scuffle which NOBODY knows how it started. Thats the f****ng case.
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how the fuck did he keep his post as block watch captain after numerous violent accusations???
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Race should have nothing whatsoever to do with this case. It has no bearing on the case at all, and if you're stuck in a loop where everything is based on the races of the two men, then you should sit to the side and relax.

I hardly watch tv news anymore since dumping cable, and this morning I flipped on the local tv while drinking my coffee. It was on NBC and a few talking heads were busily and rudely interrupting each other while smiling and one comment I heard before changing it was "of course this case is about race". Such a load of bullshit. Entirely bullshit. Just because one person was black doesnt make it based on race. Just because one person is hispanic doesnt make it based on race. Just because one person or both people or every witness was whatever the fuck race doesnt make it based on race.

One man followed another man intending to interrogate or question why he was there, and then killed him after a scuffle which NOBODY knows how it started. Thats the f****ng case.
Exactly. And the funny (yet sad) thing is that the real racists are the ones who constantly want to make racism the cause of what happened...
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Race should have nothing whatsoever to do with this case. It has no bearing on the case at all, and if you're stuck in a loop where everything is based on the races of the two men, then you should sit to the side and relax.
Yours is a fairly decent attempt to remove race from the equation. However this is nullified by the public admittance of two of Zimmerman's friends AND his former lawyer on television that the primary reason Zimmerman followed Martin was because of the numerous break-ins that recently occurred in the area by black men.

Hence Zimmerman's statement to the dispatcher that "they always get away". He racially profiled Martin (albeit innocently) because as much as anyone here would like to deny that he didn't, the fact remains that Zimmerman probably wouldn't have called 911 or left his vehicle to pursue Martin if Martin was a white kid walking through that area. He asserted his role as neighbourhood watch captain because he thought that Martin was another burglar

Once again, for clarification, I submit that he likely did not shoot Martin because he was black, but he definitely began following Martin because he was black. If he had never gotten out of his vehicle and waited for the police to do their jobs, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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it was an accident. he was getting his ass beat, things got out of hand and he panicked, killing the young Trayvon with a single gunshot. he is guilty of being a stupid asshole and will get manslaughter .........
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Yours is a fairly decent attempt to remove race from the equation. However this is nullified by the admittance of two of Zimmerman's friends AND his former lawyer that the primary reason Zimmerman followed Martin was because of the numerous break-ins that recently occurred in the area by black men.

Hence Zimmerman's statement that "they always get away". He racially profiled Martin (albeit innocently) because as much as anyone here would like to wish that he didn't, the fact remains that Zimmerman probably wouldn't have called 911 or got out of his vehicle to pursue Martin if Martin was a white kid walking through that area.

Once again, for clarification, I submit that he likely did not shoot Martin because he was black, but he definitely began following Martin because he was black. If he had never gotten out of his vehicle and waited for the police to do their jobs, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Not choosing sides, but wasn't it already pointed out that Zimmerman didn't identify the race of Martin until halfway through the 911 call, and even at that point he admitted he didn't know if Martin was black?

If that's true, how can you racially profile someone when you admittedly don't know their race?
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Not choosing sides, but wasn't it already pointed out that Zimmerman didn't identify the race of Martin until halfway through the 911 call, and even at that point he admitted he didn't know if Martin was black?

If that's true, how can you racially profile someone when you admittedly don't know their race?
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Not choosing sides, but wasn't it already pointed out that Zimmerman didn't identify the race of Martin until halfway through the 911 call, and even at that point he admitted he didn't know if Martin was black?

If that's true, how can you racially profile someone when you admittedly don't know their race?
Halfway through the call? That is not correct. At the very beginning of the call Zimmerman points out to the dispatcher that there were break-ins in the neighbourhood and within the first 30 seconds of the call identifies Martin as "looking black". The entire call was just over 4 minutes long.

In the interviews that both his friends gave on national television, they openly reiterated that what happened to Zimmerman was a perfect storm due to his frustration at the burglaries that occurred BY BLACKS within that community. Zimmerman knew Martin's race and that heightened his "need" to pursue Trayvon.
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Zimmerman further verified that Martin was a black male at 1:09 of the 4 minute call.

Zimmerman states that "these assholes, they always get away" at 1:39

Martin runs away at 2:09 and Zimmerman leaves his vehicle.

Zimmerman says "Fucking ?????" at 2:22

Zimmerman is advised not to follow Martin at 2:26

Loses sight of Martin 2:39
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:09 AM   #190
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im not going to explain it to you.
Every definition I see of racial profiling states that the profiler knows the race and uses it as the reason for the stop/confrontation, etc.

If what I mentioned above is true, then Zimmerman followed simply a guy in a hoodie late at night.

Do I think he should have ever confronted Trayvon? No, unless he actually witness a crime (which he didn't). If Zimmerman hadn't been overzealous in his pursuit of the hooded figure, Martin would most likely be alive today. I think if Martin did beat the shit out of Zimmerman, it was because Zimmerman was up his ass or in his face and wouldn't back off or wait for *real* authorities to come sort it out.

The whole thing was an escalation of Zimmerman being overaggressive.

2012 hit the nail on the head, IMHO:

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it was an accident. he was getting his ass beat, things got out of hand and he panicked, killing the young Trayvon with a single gunshot. he is guilty of being a stupid asshole and will get manslaughter .........
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Halfway through the call? That is not correct. At the very beginning of the call Zimmerman points out to the dispatcher that there were break-ins in the neighbourhood and within the first 30 seconds of the call identifies Martin as "looking black". The entire call was just over 4 minutes long.

In the interviews that both his friends gave on national television, they openly reiterated that what happened to Zimmerman was a perfect storm due to his frustration at the burglaries that occurred BY BLACKS within that community. Zimmerman knew Martin's race and that heightened his "need" to pursue Trayvon.
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Zimmerman further verified that Martin was a black male at 1:09 of the 4 minute call.
That's why I said "IF" that was true. I thought it was pointed out somewhere in this thread that Zimmerman was unsure of the race for a good deal of the pursuit. I admittedly didn't feel like going back through 4 pages of posts.

As for anything else, see my post above. I do feel Zimmerman was in the wrong...
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Thats what I thought.
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Every definition I see of racial profiling states that the profiler knows the race and uses it as the reason for the stop/confrontation, etc.

If what I mentioned above is true, then Zimmerman followed simply a guy in a hoodie late at night.

Do I think he should have ever confronted Trayvon? No, unless he actually witness a crime (which he didn't). If Zimmerman hadn't been overzealous in his pursuit of the hooded figure, Martin would most likely be alive today. I think if Martin did beat the shit out of Zimmerman, it was because Zimmerman was up his ass or in his face and wouldn't back off or wait for *real* authorities to come sort it out.

The whole thing was an escalation of Zimmerman being overaggressive.

2012 hit the nail on the head, IMHO:
doesnt really matter what we think its in the courts hands now. have a good one i have things to do.
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Every definition I see of racial profiling states that the profiler knows the race and uses it as the reason for the stop/confrontation, etc.

If what I mentioned above is true, then Zimmerman followed simply a guy in a hoodie late at night.

Do I think he should have ever confronted Trayvon? No, unless he actually witness a crime (which he didn't). If Zimmerman hadn't been overzealous in his pursuit of the hooded figure, Martin would most likely be alive today. I think if Martin did beat the shit out of Zimmerman, it was because Zimmerman was up his ass or in his face and wouldn't back off or wait for *real* authorities to come sort it out.

The whole thing was an escalation of Zimmerman being overaggressive.

2012 hit the nail on the head, IMHO:
Don't waste your time on this negro. He made up mind the second he heard the story.
Just let the chimp swing on his tree branch and troll others.
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doesnt really matter what we think its in the courts hands now. have a good one i have things to do.
No you don't. Government pays you bills and you spend all day trolling on forums. If I knew your real name I would have reported you to social services long time ago.
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Every definition I see of racial profiling states that the profiler knows the race and uses it as the reason for the stop/confrontation, etc.

If what I mentioned above is true, then Zimmerman followed simply a guy in a hoodie late at night.
Like I said earlier, what you mentioned above isn't true. Before Zimmerman left his vehicle (at 2:09 of the call) he had confirmed that Martin was a black male (at 1:08 of the call) and had already identified to the dispatcher that break-ins had occurred in the neighbourhood (by black males).

His comment that "these assholes, they always get away" further indicates that Zimmerman mentally had made a connection between Martin and the previous burglars who were black, thus his pursuit.

It's a clear cut case of racial profiling.
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Yours is a fairly decent attempt to remove race from the equation. However this is nullified by the public admittance of two of Zimmerman's friends AND his former lawyer on television that the primary reason Zimmerman followed Martin was because of the numerous break-ins that recently occurred in the area by black men.

Hence Zimmerman's statement to the dispatcher that "they always get away". He racially profiled Martin (albeit innocently) because as much as anyone here would like to deny that he didn't, the fact remains that Zimmerman probably wouldn't have called 911 or got out of his vehicle to pursue Martin if Martin was a white kid walking through that area. He asserted his role as neighbourhood watch captain because he thought that Martin was another burglar

Once again, for clarification, I submit that he likely did not shoot Martin because he was black, but he definitely began following Martin because he was black. If he had never gotten out of his vehicle and waited for the police to do their jobs, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I still say it has to be a seperate discussion and not glommed together with a criminal case that literally, in the letter of the law, has no racial component to it. If the FBI determines he used a racial slur then it's up to the feds to make a seperate charge of a hate crime.

I would say true racial profiling is when a race is selected for NO reason other than what appears to be their race. For instance ask a police force to do 100 random seatbelt stops in a town that's 90% white. If a statistically high number of stops are blacks, then you've probably found racial profiling. A WAY more compelling profiling case.

Now, if you were to ask the same police force to stop 100 cars but keep in mind there've been numerous reports of blacks not wearing them, then those results would be invalid.

He may have followed every black person he saw because there were break ins by blacks. But it's actually not illegal, even if it may be distasteful and ignorant. Thats not a easy way to discuss race or racial profiling. It's just too murky.
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I'd really like to see this tried purely on basis of "vigilante justice" gone wayy wrong. Shit like that can't be allowed to continue in any community. You can't have armed citizens with no legal authority trying to determine of some other private citizen "belongs" where they are! Such bullshit.
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I still say it has to be a seperate discussion and not glommed together with a criminal case that literally, in the letter of the law, has no racial component to it. If the FBI determines he used a racial slur then it's up to the feds to make a seperate charge of a hate crime.

I would say true racial profiling is when a race is selected for NO reason other than what appears to be their race. For instance ask a police force to do 100 random seatbelt stops in a town that's 90% white. If a statistically high number of stops are blacks, then you've probably found racial profiling. A WAY more compelling profiling case.

Now, if you were to ask the same police force to stop 100 cars but keep in mind there've been numerous reports of blacks not wearing them, then those results would be invalid.

He may have followed every black person he saw because there were break ins by blacks. But it's actually not illegal, even if it may be distasteful and ignorant. Thats not a easy way to discuss race or racial profiling. It's just too murky.
But they are not charging him with a hate crime and they probably won't either. Even I think that doing so would be going too far. The concept of racial profiling only supports the case that will be brought against Zimmerman in regards to why he pursued and killed Martin.

The manner in which the prosecutor will present the case is similar to what I wrote in my earlier posts. They will follow the timeline and make relevant connections based on Zimmerman's own words. It's all on tape.

Even police officers have to be careful of how they confront citizens and have to prove that they had a certain level of reasonable suspicion to stop a person. Zimmerman, however, had no such right to pursue or even question Martin as he was not law enforcement, nor was he acting in such a capacity at the time due to his Neighbourhood watch captain title. He made a seriously bad judgement call that has changed his life forever.

Neighbourhood watch groups with proper training never confront a situation themselves unless they directly are in danger. The liability risk is too high and it only escalates the situation, as it occurred here.

Zimmerman's own words will set his fate. That is certain.

(Even if he somehow avoids the criminal charges, the civil case will be huge.)
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Ok, he's served enough time let him out.

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