Originally Posted by vdbucks

Nope.. as I said initially I tend to stay out of these types of "debates" because nothing ever comes of them but I'm just tired of the race card being thrown up every time something happens.

If Trayvon would have been white then none of this nonsense would be going on. Oh but because he was black , all of a sudden it's a racism fueled hate crime... The shit gets old.

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

i see that a few of you are standing on Zimmerman word. lets wait an hour and then we'll talk im going to do some eating brb

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

nonsense? i hope you never have a murdered family member see you around 3:30 50 injustices

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Seems every site has an opinion, here's part of another sites opinion:

"Here we have a case where witnesses described seeing Zimmerman on top of Trayvon, and Trayvon screaming for help before he was shot and killed. This corresponds with Trayvon?s girlfriend?s accounting, with the physical evidence and with the video from the police department. The only accounting that doesn?t match up with the evidence and the witnesses is George Zimmerman?s."

This is a wait and see case/non-case if there ever was one.

Originally Posted by atom

Zimmerman will be charged, a jury will acquit.

riots will break out and people will burn shit.

End of story.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Well I'd agree it would seem to be difficult to remember details. I've seen training tapes where you are asked at the end to describe a thief and stuff like that and it's not easy even though you had just seen it.

I'd really like to see a surveillance tape of the incident, or someones cell phone recording taken after it started. These days it's hard to believe someone didn't capture some images.

Originally Posted by atom

Zimmerman will be charged, a jury will acquit.

riots will break out and people will burn shit.

End of story.

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Be interesting to see if there are any riots due to the media mess this has turned into.

Originally Posted by vdbucks

And if there is then the media outlets need to be held harshly responsible. Nonsense like this needs to stop already...

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The major network producer that edited the tapes needs to have his station shut down for a short time by the FCC.

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

The major network producer that edited the tapes needs to have his station shut down for a short time by the FCC.

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Originally Posted by GFED

Why would there be damage to Trayvon when Zimmerman was the one getting his shit pushed in? This just proves that Zimmerman did not hit Trayvon at all, as he was helpless and screaming for help.

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

He'll get what he created for him self

Originally Posted by Phoenix

george zimmerman deserves to be charged with murder.

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Why is it every time a black person just happens to be killed by a white person, everyone wants to up and start some loud fucking moronic protest?

Originally Posted by Rochard

He's the facts: He shot the kid dead.

That's it. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that he shot the kid. He needs to prove he was defending himself, which he cannot do. The kid was armed with a bag of fucking skittles. That's it.

Originally Posted by baddog

Zimmerman is not white

Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

The one thing I find odd is that the police didn't document Zimmerman's injuries, or at least I haven't heard of any as of yet besides that low-rez surveillance video, which came out more like an accident than established procedure.

In cases where there are physical altercations the police or medics take pictures to document the victim's injuries in case they're needed for trial in civil or criminal proceedings. I would think this would be even more important in an incident that resulted in a death.

Why is there no official record of Zimmerman's injuries? The low-rez surveillance video isn't much help in his case because of the quality.

Now I might be mistaken and Zimmerman's injuries might very well be on record but not available to the public, in which case they should come to light during the trial.

Originally Posted by MK Ultra

Well apparently he is now in custody

Originally Posted by Just Alex

Lets hope Lakers win NBA title on very same day and all jungle bunnies get confused why they are breaking into stores and burning parked cars.

Originally Posted by vdbucks

And if there is then the media outlets need to be held harshly responsible. Nonsense like this needs to stop already...

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

turn on the tv vato

Originally Posted by 2012

Originally Posted by Just Alex

Whats happening, my jungle bunny? Free shoes and TVs for oppressed welfare recipients of Oakland?

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

its on now! 2nd degree murder i hope no bail. <<<27,000>>> the case needs to be moved from florida

Originally Posted by Just Alex

Congrats on unscheduled party you will be having tonight. Better run to 7-11 before they run out of 52's

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

52's wtf is that? party for what? its not my fight guilty or not maybe we will see the truth.

Originally Posted by Just Alex

You will be very disappointed when truth comes out.
Now go grab some some Olde English and celebrate.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

There IS record of the second ambulance being cancelled because the second person had no need for it. Zimmerman probably should have at least been checked out, but it seems he didn't require it.

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

There is also a batshit crazy Aryan Brotherhood and the big Cholos presence, who I suppose would back him up.

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

52's wtf is that?

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

you seem to know more about the drink you can have my share.

Originally Posted by NaughtyVisions

I'm confused, too.

I thought it was Colt 45...

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Here is an interesting take on this, and how the Media, in some cases, had completely lied about the circumstances of this case...

http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-i-called...inglepage=true

"On March 17, I thought I had it all figured out. I wrote a post on my blog in which I pronounced America?s most famous neighborhood watch captain guilty:


How naive that post now seems. The narrative created by the media at that time was one of an innocent life taken for no reason at all, by a much older, heavier, and racist man itching for a confrontation.

That was before we found out there was only one gunshot and no coup de grâce. That was before we found out that George Zimmerman had not deluged the local police with 46 paranoid 911 calls in one year, but 46 calls over a period of eight years, which isn?t unreasonable for a community watch volunteer. The media had either lied about how often he called, or purposefully compressed the timeline.

That was before we learned that Zimmerman didn?t know Martin?s race when he made the call, and that race didn?t play a roll in any of the 911 calls the local police had on file.

That was before we discovered that George Zimmerman wasn?t the 240-plus pound bruiser in the five-year-old picture the media used as much as possible, but was listed at a much smaller 170 pounds by none other than the New York Times. That?s a nominal 20 pounds heavier than a teen that stood four inches over him.

That was before we found out that two eyewitnesses placed Martin on top of Zimmerman as the aggressor, and that at least one of them claims it was Zimmerman crying for help.

That was before ABC News attempted to claim police surveillance video disproved Zimmerman?s claim of being injured in what may have been a purposeful deception. The very same news organization was forced to later admit the presence of two lacerations on the back of George Zimmerman?s skull consistent with his claim of self-defense. In the end, details of the beating Zimmerman suffered at Trayvon Martin?s hands were only given a brief mention in the local news.

That was before NBC News was forced to fire a senior producer for selectively editing audio of Zimmerman?s 911 call in a deliberate effort to make him sound racist.

And of course, almost no one knows that on the night he took Trayvon Martin?s life, George Zimmerman willingly consented to take a voice stress analyzer test, a kind of lie detector test used by the Sanford police. He passed it.

The narrative has changed in the wake of new details, eyewitnesses, and embarrassing retreats. The actual story may in fact have been a textbook example of the proper use of deadly force.

The revised narrative is that George Zimmerman wasn?t even actively volunteering as a neighborhood watchman, but was in the process of going to the store when he happened to see a hoodie-covered figure acting oddly in the rain, in a way that Zimmerman apparently interpreted as a burglar ?casing? the gated community. He called 911 and kept the dispatcher apprised of his current position as best he could, in order to try to bring the police to the scene so that they could talk with the suspicious figure. It wasn?t until partway through the call that Zimmerman was able to tell the dispatcher that he thought the suspect may be black, in a direct answer to the dispatcher?s question about the suspect?s race.

During the course of the 911 call, the dispatcher asks several times for an exact street address, which an apparently frustrated Zimmerman is unable to provide. At one point, Martin notices Zimmerman shadowing him, and disappears between buildings.

Zimmerman chooses to leave his vehicle, either to track Martin or get a street address of Martin?s current location for the responding officers. At this point, Zimmerman is no longer on the phone with the 911 operator. Trayvon Martin is allegedly on the phone with his girlfriend, right up until when the physical confrontation apparently takes place.

By piecing together the 911 call and the series of events as alleged by Martin?s still anonymous girlfriend, we can see that a man is following a teenager, and the teenager notices he is being followed. We see Zimmerman?s apparent frustration at being unable to get the police guided to the suspect ? his frustrated cry of ?these assholes always get away? ? and see two reasons Zimmerman would have left the car after first telling the dispatcher he didn?t want to because he didn?t know where Martin was at the time.

It is at this point that the confrontation between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman takes place. We have no living witnesses to the start of the confrontation, other than Mr. Zimmerman. He claims Trayvon Martin assaulted him by punching him in the face (breaking his nose), and then jumped on top of him and started pounding his head into the the pavement.

At this point, apparently two witnesses responded to cries for help. One witness, named ?John,? identified the man on the bottom wearing red (George Zimmerman) as the person crying for help in 911 calls as the other person (Trayvon Martin) was on top of him. ?John? moved to get a better view out another window when he heard the gunshot and then saw Martin on the ground.

A second eyewitness also identified George Zimmerman as the man on the ground crying for help.

Not one witness had a start-to-finish view of the confrontation, and even if they did, eyewitness accounts are notoriously inaccurate. But when the various aspects of the case are weaved together from what is publicly known, a more plausible and tighter narrative seems to coalesce.

Shortly after getting off the phone with the 911 dispatcher, George Zimmerman left his vehicle. He and Trayvon Martin engaged in some sort of a conversation, which is agreed upon (in a larger context) by both Martin?s girlfriend, who was on the phone with him at the time, and Zimmerman?s account.

At that point, the call between Martin and his girlfriend terminated, and her testimony is of no further value.

Zimmerman alleges that Martin punched him in the face, breaking his nose and knocking him down with one punch. Basic forensic details, such as the grass stains on Zimmerman?s back and the injuries to his face reported by police and the resulting swelling and bruising reported by the neighbor the next day, make this at least plausible.

Zimmerman claims that Martin then jumped on top of him and began bashing his head against the sidewalk, and he began crying for help. Again, this part of Zimmerman?s story is at least partially corroborated by the eyewitness testimony, police reports, the enhanced police department video that shows two substantial lacerations on the back of Zimmerman?s head, and the reported bandages and swelling the neighbor confirmed the next day.

Zimmerman claims that Martin then saw and went for his gun. There were no eyewitnesses to this portion of the confrontation, and the next eyewitness view (from ?John?) tells us what we already know: George Zimmerman fired a single shot from a 9mm pistol that hit Trayvon Martin, killing him. The rest of the actions from this point on are contained in police reports, but the confrontation was over, and Trayvon Martin lay dead or dying.

The Sanford police are being heavily condemned for mismanaging the investigation, but they did manage to do two things that may shed light on the whole story. They managed to get Zimmerman to the police station, where video surveillance confirmed his head injuries, and Zimmerman passed the voice stress analyzer they administered, which suggests he believes the story he gave to police.

When all these publicly known bits of evidence are combined, it suggests that a series of miscalculations and escalations by both men led to Trayvon Martin?s death.

George Zimmerman used questionable judgment in leaving his vehicle. But if the evidence and testimony publicly known are to be believed, it was an angry young Trayvon Martin who committed the first crime of the evening when he threw a punch that knocked George Zimmerman down. At this point, Trayvon Martin became the aggressor.

Eyewitnesses and forensics suggest that Martin continued his assault, escalating it to assault with a deadly weapon when he began trying to smash Zimmerman?s skull on the pavement. If this is accurate, and Zimmerman was on his back crying for help while Martin pressed his attack, then Zimmerman had reason to believe he was under the threat of serious injury, maiming, or death at the hands of Trayvon Martin.

At that moment, in reasonable fear for his life, and apparently after a struggle for his gun if Zimmerman?s lie detector-cleared testimony can be believed, he fired a single shot at Trayvon Martin.

Ultimately, the forensics the public has not seen may be the ultimate arbiter of truth. If the ballistic trajectory is consistent with Zimmerman?s story, then Trayvon Martin was killed in a textbook case of self-defense. Florida?s ?stand your ground? law is utterly immaterial and Zimmerman committed no crime whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

Not really. Thats why I was wrong about Colt 52. Its actually Colt 45. We don't drink that shit and I don't think stores by my house care to sell it either.
Anyway, enjoy your Kwanza tonight. Im off to watch my Flyers.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Then why are there people saying Zimmerman had no cuts or bruises on his head or knuckles or body either guys? How are these men in a brawl that is life threatening and not showing a sign? Someone had told me there was enhanced video showing Zimmerman's head, but I havent seen it so I'm asking you. They did cancel the second ambulance at the scene that night because Zimmerman didnt need it. I'm not eating cable news on this thing, so seriously dont know.

edit: Oh and by the way, it wasn't my word saying there would have been signs on the dead mans body and hands, it was the coroner dude.

Originally Posted by Squirtit

So much effort to simply, finally, be charged. Amazing

Originally Posted by GFED

There's no doubt that Zimmerman has been in "custody" this whole time. He probably asked for it. It's not like he can go out in public without the fear of someone murdering him. I also believe that he asked for this "trial" to prove his innocence. We all know that you're guilty until proven innocent in this country.

Sadly the outcome of this trial won't change public opinion nor will Zimmerman ever be able to walk in public again without fearing his life. This is a big waste of time and money to give "closure" to Trayvon's family. Unfortunately the massed hordes will still want blood after Zimmerman is acquitted.

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Ok, so then Zimmerman should have just let him pound his head into the ground until he ended up dead... Then it would just be another black kid hauled off to jail and the whole outcry would be here just the same. It's fucking moronic. The Zimmerman guy said not a single fucking word that could even be considered racist, and he only told the cop that he *thought* the kid was black... but not until AFTER the cop asked him.

If Zimmerman would have shot any other race than a black kid then there wouldn't be so much fucking attention on the case. End of story. Everyone wants to make this out to be some racism fueled hate crime when all the evidence we have available says that it's not.

I actually wish the kid he killed was white... then we'd get a real investigation that's not fueled by morons playing the race card...

Originally Posted by GFED

Unfortunately the massed hordes will still want blood after Zimmerman is acquitted.

Originally Posted by Rochard

There is no proof that the kid so much as looked at Zimmerman.

For me it has nothing to do with race. I could care less what color the kid was or what color Zimmerman is. You have a armed full grown man who was stalking an un-armed kid. There is no proof that the kid attacked him, and no proof that there was even a fight. So far as we know, this Zimmerman just shot him dead for no reason.

Originally Posted by Rochard

There is no proof that the kid so much as looked at Zimmerman.

For me it has nothing to do with race. I could care less what color the kid was or what color Zimmerman is. You have a armed full grown man who was stalking an un-armed kid. There is no proof that the kid attacked him, and no proof that there was even a fight. So far as we know, this Zimmerman just shot him dead for no reason.