Verotel VS CCBill A-B Test - GoFuckYourself.com

MikeFlirt · 04-05-2012, 08:59 AM

Hello!

I'm Mike from The Art of Blowjob, the lucky guy who gets all of those blowjobs. I know, I know!

I just wanted to share with you that we've been doing a lot of A-B testing and taking a good hard look at our stats and we've come up with a pretty great system for having great conversions. Hard work pays off!

We're finishing up our CCBill affiliate area, but we've also been getting really incredible sales with Verotel, so we'd love for you to give it a try. You can send me an e-mail if you'd like to see for yourself. I'd love to help you make money while we share our beautiful porn. The Art of Blowjob is a great seller and all our little tweaks have only gone to show that!

SwirlsGirl · 04-05-2012, 09:45 AM

Hey Mike Flirt, great idea, and thanks for sharing your results...

just curious to know if I am reading the stats correctly...your stats are telling me that you made 2 1/2 the conversions with verotel then you did with other biller?

Or in other words if you make $1500.00 with 600 visitors with one biller....that you could very well make $3000.00 with another biller same traffic??

Is there a problem with my reasoning or assesment here?

Thanks

candyflip · 04-05-2012, 10:35 AM

You leave lots of money on the table if CCBill is your only option.

This pretty much verifies that.

SwirlsGirl · 04-05-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

You leave lots of money on the table if CCBill is your only option.

This pretty much verifies that.

What secret or dirty trick is verotel using to give their customers 2 and one half times more the monies?

DWB · 04-05-2012, 11:58 AM

Did you send the same amount of traffic to both billers?

If so, I am blown away that Verotel outperformed CCbill by that much. That would speak volumes of the current state of CCbill if it's true.

MikeFlirt · 04-05-2012, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

What secret or dirty trick is verotel using to give their customers 2 and one half times more the monies?

I have no clue at all, and the charge back and credit is really low

porno jew · 04-05-2012, 12:00 PM

interesting. thanks for the share.

MikeFlirt · 04-05-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Did you send the same amount of traffic to both billers?

If so, I am blown away that Verotel outperformed CCbill by that much. That would speak volumes of the current state of CCbill if it's true.

Almost 598 for Verotel and 591 For CCBill

Socks · 04-05-2012, 12:11 PM

If CCBill is so terrible, why is it that many of the world's biggest sites use them exclusively? If I know anything about rich people is that they usually take care of their nickels, so why would Met Art, FTV Girls, X-Art, etc use CCBill as their ONLY biller, if there was even a chance of them losing mountains of money to do so?

MikeFlirt · 04-05-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Socks

If CCBill is so terrible, why is it that many of the world's biggest sites use them exclusively?

Again I have no clue maybe it's like that for our sites only, I was curious if any other webmaster have made the same test.

bean-aid · 04-05-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeFlirt

Almost 598 for Verotel and 591 For CCBill

That must be some really targeted traffic. Would like to see your results after 20K to each of this highly targeted, high converting traffic.

DWB · 04-05-2012, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks

If CCBill is so terrible, why is it that many of the world's biggest sites use them exclusively? If I know anything about rich people is that they usually take care of their nickels, so why would Met Art, FTV Girls, X-Art, etc use CCBill as their ONLY biller, if there was even a chance of them losing mountains of money to do so?

Why do sponsors keep offering flv videos instead of mp4 knowing flv doesn't play on all devices?

Why does everyone offer an inferior WMV download video option where there are so many better options?

ANSWER: Habits / Trends

SwirlsGirl · 04-05-2012, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaner

That must be some really targeted traffic. Would like to see your results after 20K to each of this highly targeted, high converting traffic.

Hey Beaner if you think about it....it really does not have to be highly targeted traffic...especially when we have a top affiliate tube site converting for us at 1/37...again thats tube traffic

signupdamnit · 04-05-2012, 03:04 PM

Maybe someone has to cover the chargebacks generated by uploaded.to. Might as well be the losers who own paysites or are affiliates. Your 15% goes to good use - to help put you out of business.

....I used to be a big CCbill fan.

SwirlsGirl · 04-05-2012, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Maybe someone has to cover the chargebacks generated by uploaded.to. Might as well be the losers who own paysites or are affiliates. Your 15% goes to good use - to help put you out of business.

....I used to be a big CCbill fan.

But signupdamnit.....surely you do understand that increasing your traffic, is the only way to increase your sales....

Oops I am sorry I forgot Mike Flirt just *proved* that he found a way to increase his sales with the same amount of traffic

raymor · 04-05-2012, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Hey Mike Flirt, great idea, and thanks for sharing your results...

just curious to know if I am reading the stats correctly...your stats are telling me that you made 2 1/2 the conversions with verotel then you did with other biller?

Or in other words if you make $1500.00 with 600 visitors with one biller....that you could very well make $3000.00 with another biller same traffic??

Is there a problem with my reasoning or assesment here?

Thanks

One problem - there's not yet enough data. It's fourteen sales. If one biller did one sale and the other did two at a specific moment in time, does that mean one converts twice as much as the other? No, that just means you looked at a point in time when the first biller had just made it's second sale.

I just flipped a coin six times. I got five tails and one head. That means nothing. If I flip the coin two hundred times, THEN the results will show that head and tail come up about equally. Fourteen sales doesn't tell you anything.

raymor · 04-05-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

You leave lots of money on the table if CCBill is your only option.

This pretty much verifies that.

The margin of error on 14 samples is 4, meaning it's likely that in the next 14, CCBill will get eight and Verotel six. Wait until there are 100-300 sales before drawing any conclusions.

MikeFlirt · 04-05-2012, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor

The margin of error on 14 samples is 4, meaning it's likely that in the next 14, CCBill will get eight and Verotel six. Wait until there are 100-300 sales before drawing any conclusions.

I totally agree I will let the test run a bit. I will keep you posted with that

u-Bob · 04-05-2012, 05:27 PM

Tip: put Verotel in the cascade and let someone other than Verotel handle the affiliate side of things because unless Verotel actually starts providing the info they are required to provide by law, I'm not touching any Verotel based program with a 10foot pole. For those in the EU it's a VAT disaster waiting to happen.

candyflip · 04-05-2012, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor

The margin of error on 14 samples is 4, meaning it's likely that in the next 14, CCBill will get eight and Verotel six. Wait until there are 100-300 sales before drawing any conclusions.

I'm not drawing any conclusions from his. I've tested things myself.

He post is just more verification for me

Jakez · 04-06-2012, 12:16 AM

Nice info. I never understood why people won't promote a program ran on Verotel, they always converted just fine for me and never missed a payment over at least 6-7 years.

femdomdestiny · 04-06-2012, 01:06 AM

exactly. But there is another problem. I have excel file with all my sponsors. There are many verotel sites but almost all of them don't have promo content or it is years old.

The Ghost · 04-06-2012, 06:05 AM

Keep posting info as you get more data Mike.

u-Bob · 04-06-2012, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

Nice info. I never understood why people won't promote a program ran on Verotel, they always converted just fine for me and never missed a payment over at least 6-7 years.

Because Verotel refuses to give their affiliates the VAT info they need. Verotel, by law, has to give out that info, yet they refuse. So as an EU based affiliate you have 3 choices:
- not promote Verotel based programs.
- promote Verotel based programs and pay an extra XX% of your earnings in VAT while you don't have to. Just to be safe
- promote Verotel and risk hefty fines for not paying VAT you didn't have to pay in the first place when you get audited.

BNMedia · 04-09-2012, 02:50 PM

I've been trying Verotel at the top of my cascade for my sites with decent results, although sales overall haven't been exactly booming with any biller.
I'm using rules within NATS so that all affiliate referrals will get a CCBill join page but type-in traffic will reach a different cascade. Currently Verotel - CCBill, but I'm soon adding Epoch and SegPay to try in the cascade also.

SwirlsGirl · 04-09-2012, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BNMedia

I've been trying Verotel at the top of my cascade for my sites with decent results, although sales overall haven't been exactly booming with any biller.
I'm using rules within NATS so that all affiliate referrals will get a CCBill join page but type-in traffic will reach a different cascade. Currently Verotel - CCBill, but I'm soon adding Epoch and SegPay to try in the cascade also.

hey BNMedia hate to put you on the spot, but when you say decent results, would that mean "better" results with Verotel?

porno jew · 04-09-2012, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Maybe someone has to cover the chargebacks generated by uploaded.to. Might as well be the losers who own paysites or are affiliates. Your 15% goes to good use - to help put you out of business.

....I used to be a big CCbill fan.

lol why would they have any chargebacks? because people aren't happy with getting access to unlimited content for a few dollars a month?

BNMedia · 04-09-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

hey BNMedia hate to put you on the spot, but when you say decent results, would that mean "better" results with Verotel?

Today, yes Verotel has been better for us than CCBill was at the top of the cascade a couple of days ago for instance.
However, I try and not read too much into this. I've tried altering the order of the cascade this week as an experiment and some days one hasn't performed any better than the other.
By nature of the cascade a decline with one biller should send it to the next biller to convert the sale. However, I do also wonder if the end user who is a regular subscriber puts more trust in one biller than the other.
I'll keep up my trials and maybe time will tell.

SwirlsGirl · 04-09-2012, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BNMedia

Today, yes Verotel has been better for us than CCBill was at the top of the cascade a couple of days ago for instance.
However, I try and not read too much into this. I've tried altering the order of the cascade this week as an experiment and some days one hasn't performed any better than the other.
By nature of the cascade a decline with one biller should send it to the next biller to convert the sale. However, I do also wonder if the end user who is a regular subscriber puts more trust in one biller than the other.
I'll keep up my trials and maybe time will tell.

Thanks for the clarity

signupdamnit · 04-09-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

lol why would they have any chargebacks? because people aren't happy with getting access to unlimited content for a few dollars a month?

Touché...

AmeliaG · 04-09-2012, 08:05 PM

Your mileage may vary, but, as an affiliate, my experience is that Verotel does not pay and has hands-down the least good affiliate support in the business.

As raymor said, while the conversion ratio looks nice for both sides of the test so far, obviously the sample is not large enough to be statistically significant yet.

BFT3K · 04-04-2013, 09:22 AM

faxxaff · 04-04-2013, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by u-Bob

Because Verotel refuses to give their affiliates the VAT info they need. Verotel, by law, has to give out that info, yet they refuse. So as an EU based affiliate you have 3 choices:
- not promote Verotel based programs.
- promote Verotel based programs and pay an extra XX% of your earnings in VAT while you don't have to. Just to be safe
- promote Verotel and risk hefty fines for not paying VAT you didn't have to pay in the first place when you get audited.

EU based Programs have to pay VAT from sales to EU based customers, but not affiliates since VAT is paid already. If you feel they violate tax laws you can inform Dutch revenue service. They will respond to you.

Markul · 04-04-2013, 11:34 AM

So how did the test go with larger volumes?

Mutt · 04-04-2013, 11:41 AM

I did a split test between CCBILL and Epoch, well over 300 sales during the test. I fully expected Epoch to convert better BUT the results were literally a dead heat.

That test was enough for me, it put to rest for me the doubts I had about using CCBILL as primary over Epoch.

signupdamnit · 04-04-2013, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks

If CCBill is so terrible, why is it that many of the world's biggest sites use them exclusively? If I know anything about rich people is that they usually take care of their nickels, so why would Met Art, FTV Girls, X-Art, etc use CCBill as their ONLY biller, if there was even a chance of them losing mountains of money to do so?

It's been denied but there is a possibility that high volume customers get preferential treatment as far as scrubbing and declines while low volume customers face increased scrutiny.

signupdamnit · 04-04-2013, 12:18 PM

I missed the year.

So how did the split test end and what were the results once conclusive?

NETbilling · 04-04-2013, 12:59 PM

Most successful programs now use a mix of their own merchant accounts as primary and third party processors as secondary or visa versa.

The more control you have over the scrubbing, payment forms and rebilling methods, the higher the conversions.

Mitch

Sophie Delancey · 04-05-2013, 07:44 AM

Whoa there, blast from the past. We're still with Verotel after several tests, as it always came out significantly on top.

crnidario · 05-16-2013, 03:19 PM

I’m owner of few free tube sites with daily traffic of 200k unique visits. I want to use that traffic and start my first adult pay site. I did lot on my pay site and now is time to choose payment processor. As this is something new for me I need a little help. I have noticed that many of big sites such as Mofos, Brazzers, …….use 2 and 3 payment processors (Epoch, CCbil, Verotel). Why they do that? I suppose that they got some advantages? What kind advantages? Should I use just one processor or I need to have 2 or more processors.

_Richard_ · 05-16-2013, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

Why do sponsors keep offering flv videos instead of mp4 knowing flv doesn't play on all devices?

Why does everyone offer an inferior WMV download video option where there are so many better options?

ANSWER: Habits / Trends

Bman · 05-16-2013, 11:01 PM

You still seeing the same conversion ratio?
Anybody else?

icymelon · 05-16-2013, 11:24 PM

is the traffic coming from 2 different sources or do you have a way to alternate each join hit so you are comparing apples to apples and not to oranges.

Sophie Delancey · 05-17-2013, 01:22 PM

We stopped with CCBill a while back because we're happy with Verotel. And it was an A/B test, so it was coming from the same source.

SwirlsGirl · 05-17-2013, 02:59 PM

It's unanimous we did the test and are seeing much better results with verotel processing our membership sales.

Also for the record we removed ccbill as biller for some of our other goods and services and without adding any new traffic or advertising, we saw sales quadruple simply by removing ccbill as biller.

No reason to fabricate this statement and nothing to gain by posting the truth.

Bman · 05-17-2013, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

It's unanimous we did the test and are seeing much better results with verotel processing our membership sales.

Also for the record we removed ccbill as biller for some of our other goods and services and without adding any new traffic or advertising, we saw sales quadruple simply by removing ccbill as biller.

No reason to fabricate this statement and nothing to gain by posting the truth.

What do you think the reasoning is behind this? Just so much scrubbing from CCBILL? or have you tried anybody else ie Zombaio?

Whats your percentage of traffic coming from Affilates?

NETbilling · 05-17-2013, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crnidario

I?m owner of few free tube sites with daily traffic of 200k unique visits. I want to use that traffic and start my first adult pay site. I did lot on my pay site and now is time to choose payment processor. As this is something new for me I need a little help. I have noticed that many of big sites such as Mofos, Brazzers, ??.use 2 and 3 payment processors (Epoch, CCbil, Verotel). Why they do that? I suppose that they got some advantages? What kind advantages? Should I use just one processor or I need to have 2 or more processors.

Actually most big programs (and many smaller ones these days as well) have their own merchant accounts and use third party processors to cascade to if declined by their own merchant account bank.
You don't actually see this many times because when having their own merchant account and using a gateway such as ours the merchant has the option ( and most often does) host their own secure payment form so the customer never has to leave their site and complete customization is possible this way as well.

Any other questions?

Thank you, Mitch Farber

candyflip · 05-17-2013, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NETbilling

Actually most big programs (and many smaller ones these days as well) have their own merchant accounts and use third party processors to cascade to if declined by their own merchant account bank.
You don't actually see this many times because when having their own merchant account and using a gateway such as ours the merchant has the option ( and most often does) host their own secure payment form so the customer never has to leave their site and complete customization is possible this way as well.

Any other questions?

Thank you, Mitch Farber

As a small site owner, the monthly minimums used to be too much. What are the requirements these days?

NETbilling · 05-17-2013, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyflip

As a small site owner, the monthly minimums used to be too much. What are the requirements these days?

Hi,

If you are located in the US, we can setup start ups. If you are outside of the US, 10k per month.
Would you like more information?

SwirlsGirl · 05-17-2013, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bman

What do you think the reasoning is behind this? Just so much scrubbing from CCBILL? or have you tried anybody else ie Zombaio?

Whats your percentage of traffic coming from Affilates?

We can only speculate what the reason is for the disparity, but I just wanted to confirm what the op of the thread found to be true, and that is that since we stopped using ccbill as primary biller we are seeing much better results and much small intervals between no sales periods

In fact for one other area of our operations we removed ccbill entirely and the results are spellbinding....

Sales have shot into the stratosphere with no more 0 sales days or 3-4 day sales holes either and all we did was remove ccbill as the biller no extra traffic, no advertising...there I said it...

Make of the info what you wish not trying to throw anyone under the bus...just stating the facts as they relate to us.

04-05-2012, 08:59 AM	#1
MikeFlirt Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 42	Verotel VS CCBill A-B Test Hello! I'm Mike from The Art of Blowjob, the lucky guy who gets all of those blowjobs. I know, I know! I just wanted to share with you that we've been doing a lot of A-B testing and taking a good hard look at our stats and we've come up with a pretty great system for having great conversions. Hard work pays off! We're finishing up our CCBill affiliate area, but we've also been getting really incredible sales with Verotel, so we'd love for you to give it a try. You can send me an e-mail if you'd like to see for yourself. I'd love to help you make money while we share our beautiful porn. The Art of Blowjob is a great seller and all our little tweaks have only gone to show that! __________________ Mike Content Producer and affiliates manager for http://theartofblowjob.com/ Messenger : [email protected] I don't use ICQ

04-05-2012, 10:35 AM	#3
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04-06-2012, 12:16 AM	#21
Jakez Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oddfuturewolfgangkillthemall!!!!!!! Posts: 5,656	Nice info. I never understood why people won't promote a program ran on Verotel, they always converted just fine for me and never missed a payment over at least 6-7 years. __________________ [email protected] - jakezdumb - 573689400 Killuminati

04-06-2012, 01:06 AM	#22
femdomdestiny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,176	exactly. But there is another problem. I have excel file with all my sponsors. There are many verotel sites but almost all of them don't have promo content or it is years old. __________________ Femdom Destiny -------------------------------------------- ICQ: 463-630-426 email: webmaster(at)femdomdestiny.com

04-06-2012, 06:05 AM	#23
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04-05-2012, 09:45 AM	#2
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	Hey Mike Flirt, great idea, and thanks for sharing your results... just curious to know if I am reading the stats correctly...your stats are telling me that you made 2 1/2 the conversions with verotel then you did with other biller? Or in other words if you make $1500.00 with 600 visitors with one biller....that you could very well make $3000.00 with another biller same traffic?? Is there a problem with my reasoning or assesment here? Thanks

04-05-2012, 11:58 AM	#5
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Did you send the same amount of traffic to both billers? If so, I am blown away that Verotel outperformed CCbill by that much. That would speak volumes of the current state of CCbill if it's true.

04-05-2012, 12:00 PM	#7
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	interesting. thanks for the share.

04-05-2012, 12:11 PM	#9
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	If CCBill is so terrible, why is it that many of the world's biggest sites use them exclusively? If I know anything about rich people is that they usually take care of their nickels, so why would Met Art, FTV Girls, X-Art, etc use CCBill as their ONLY biller, if there was even a chance of them losing mountains of money to do so?

04-05-2012, 03:04 PM	#14
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	Maybe someone has to cover the chargebacks generated by uploaded.to. Might as well be the losers who own paysites or are affiliates. Your 15% goes to good use - to help put you out of business. ....I used to be a big CCbill fan.

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u-Bob there's no $$$ in porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: icq: 195./568.-230 (btw: not getting offline msgs) Posts: 33,063	Tip: put Verotel in the cascade and let someone other than Verotel handle the affiliate side of things because unless Verotel actually starts providing the info they are required to provide by law, I'm not touching any Verotel based program with a 10foot pole. For those in the EU it's a VAT disaster waiting to happen.

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BNMedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 433	I've been trying Verotel at the top of my cascade for my sites with decent results, although sales overall haven't been exactly booming with any biller. I'm using rules within NATS so that all affiliate referrals will get a CCBill join page but type-in traffic will reach a different cascade. Currently Verotel - CCBill, but I'm soon adding Epoch and SegPay to try in the cascade also. __________________ --------------------------------------------------------- Webmaster of www.kinkykicks.net - Your 1 stop resource for ballbusting and cruel sexual femdom. Join our affiliate program at www.cash4kicks.com

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04-04-2013, 11:41 AM	#35
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	I did a split test between CCBILL and Epoch, well over 300 sales during the test. I fully expected Epoch to convert better BUT the results were literally a dead heat. That test was enough for me, it put to rest for me the doubts I had about using CCBILL as primary over Epoch. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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crnidario Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: https:// Posts: 30	I’m owner of few free tube sites with daily traffic of 200k unique visits. I want to use that traffic and start my first adult pay site. I did lot on my pay site and now is time to choose payment processor. As this is something new for me I need a little help. I have noticed that many of big sites such as Mofos, Brazzers, …….use 2 and 3 payment processors (Epoch, CCbil, Verotel). Why they do that? I suppose that they got some advantages? What kind advantages? Should I use just one processor or I need to have 2 or more processors.

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05-17-2013, 02:59 PM	#45
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	It's unanimous we did the test and are seeing much better results with verotel processing our membership sales. Also for the record we removed ccbill as biller for some of our other goods and services and without adding any new traffic or advertising, we saw sales quadruple simply by removing ccbill as biller. No reason to fabricate this statement and nothing to gain by posting the truth.