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  • Elli
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    • Apr 2003
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    #51
    Originally posted by RawAlex
    The reality is that these shows are popular with the masses. A larger percentage of the population prefers seeing people make asses out of themselves rather than watching shows that make you think.

    A perfect example is CSI. A fairly smart show, it has always been top 10 material. However, when Grey's Anatomy moved into the same timeslot last season, ratings dropped. People prefered the almost mental soap opera to the procedural drama of CSI. The reply? CSI started a huge story arc about a personal relationship between two of the members of the cast and spun it hard as hell, pure soap. The end result? Ratings to start this season are above those of Grey's.

    People prefered the soapy aspects of the show over the intelligent parts of the show, apparently.

    You will never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. The networks know it.
    Calling CSI intelligent? Please. When they start up the funky rock music to make forensics seem interesting and cool, you know you're in for a long ride. I would call the original Law & Order intelligent and interesting and challenging with great story arcs and solid episodes. But CSI is just pretty people getting killed. The viewer doesn't even get to guess at the crime because often they show the killer in the first minutes of the show!
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    • Angie77
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      • Aug 2007
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      #52
      I'm really tired of reality shows.
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      • Bryan G
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        • Aug 2005
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        #53
        The Office-UK version
        only lasted two seasons, by far the funniest show Ive ever seen!
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        • bronco67
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          • Dec 2006
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          #54
          Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
          Just saw the early predictions for shows to be cancelled shortly and Journeyman is on the list. This comes after years when Arrested Development, Rome, and other great shows were cancelled. Of course the ratings winners are shows like Dancing with the Stars, Survivor, Big Brother and other shows that take no intellect to watch.

          TV continues to head down the shitter. Probably replace Journeyman with another fucking reality show.
          Ok, there are lots of dumb shows for the masses...I'll give you that. You're right, those shows are great and should have survived...BUT

          TV is better than ever. As well as having some real shit to deal with on TV(some of which I enjoy) there way too many really good shows to keep track of. I can't remember a time when there was so much scripted TV programming that rivaled a good movie. My DVR works overtime.

          Lately when I hear a show is really good, I just ignore because I can't add anything else to my TV watching schedule. I'd love to watch Friday Night Lights, but I just can't fit another show in.

          Current favorites are:

          Lost (last season finale was just fucking amazing)

          24 (has slipped in the last season, but it's overall awesomeness can't be disputed)

          Brotherhood

          Dexter

          Weeds (has really grown on me...pun not intended)

          The Shield

          House

          The Office

          Battlestar Galactica (the best show nobody knows about)

          Some great ones I miss:

          Rome

          Freaks and geeks

          Firefly
          Last edited by bronco67; 10-10-2007, 09:14 AM.

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          • RawAlex
            So Fucking Banned
            • Oct 2003
            • 9465

            #55
            Originally posted by Elli
            Calling CSI intelligent? Please. When they start up the funky rock music to make forensics seem interesting and cool, you know you're in for a long ride. I would call the original Law & Order intelligent and interesting and challenging with great story arcs and solid episodes. But CSI is just pretty people getting killed. The viewer doesn't even get to guess at the crime because often they show the killer in the first minutes of the show!
            Compared with Survivor or Deal or No Deal, CSI is fucking Einstein work. It actually requires people to pay attention for more than 10 seconds, which is beyond most stuff out there. If you drew a line with "get me out of here I am a celebrity" at one end and 'law and order" at the other, CSI would be almost on top of L&O.

            Why would something like Grey's Anatomy be more popular?

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            • JayDeeZee
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              • Aug 2006
              • 3595

              #56
              Originally posted by Martin3
              Reality TV targets dumb people. Dumb people are easier to pursued. TV is all about selling advertising. Advertisers prefer to sell to people that will believe and buy their bullshit. You can figure out the rest.
              It's not like that at all. I spent 4 yrs in TV advertising.

              Ad agencies don't give a shit what the show is. The only things that matter are GRP's (gross Rating Points) and CPR (cost per rating)

              These shows are getting cancelled because the cost of production is greater than the ad revenue.

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              • JayDeeZee
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                • Aug 2006
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                #57
                Originally posted by RawAlex
                Compared with Survivor or Deal or No Deal, CSI is fucking Einstein work. It actually requires people to pay attention for more than 10 seconds, which is beyond most stuff out there. If you drew a line with "get me out of here I am a celebrity" at one end and 'law and order" at the other, CSI would be almost on top of L&O.

                Why would something like Grey's Anatomy be more popular?
                Let's talk ratings for a second. You can't compare ratings of CSI to Grey's unless you are looking at demos.

                (it's been a few years since I pulled numbers)

                On the Adults 25-54 demo, yes CSI does better

                But...

                on the W 25-54 demo Grey's does better and on W 18-34 it blows CSI out of the water

                Many major advertisers target Women over everyone else because they have more purchasing power.

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                • Varius
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                  • Jun 2004
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                  #58
                  Luckily what i currently watch hasn't been cancelled yet:

                  House
                  Dexter
                  Californication
                  Burn Notice
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                  • Elli
                    Reach for those stars!
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 17991

                    #59
                    Originally posted by RawAlex
                    Compared with Survivor or Deal or No Deal, CSI is fucking Einstein work. It actually requires people to pay attention for more than 10 seconds, which is beyond most stuff out there. If you drew a line with "get me out of here I am a celebrity" at one end and 'law and order" at the other, CSI would be almost on top of L&O.

                    Why would something like Grey's Anatomy be more popular?
                    Point taken. But saying CSI is more challenging/interesting/intellectual than L&O is still inaccurate.

                    Regarding the soap aspect of things, nobody mentioned NYPD Blue or ER? I loved the first few seasons of ER. I can't believe it's still going.
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                    • Shagbunny
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                      • Oct 2007
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                      as long as they leave fucking Dexter alone...
                      amen to that, best show right now

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                      • fuzzylogic
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                        • Jun 2004
                        • 4796

                        #61
                        Originally posted by Skillz Unlimited
                        It's called mindless entertainment. They want us to watch that crap to keep from thinking too much. When we start thinking too much, then the government has issues. Crazy thing is my woman loves that stuff. That in itself is scary.
                        .. that u choose a wife like that? sure is.
                        i hope she is at least a good breeder.

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                        • Snake Doctor
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                          • Mar 2001
                          • 13449

                          #62
                          Originally posted by JayDeeZee
                          It's not like that at all. I spent 4 yrs in TV advertising.

                          Ad agencies don't give a shit what the show is. The only things that matter are GRP's (gross Rating Points) and CPR (cost per rating)

                          These shows are getting cancelled because the cost of production is greater than the ad revenue.
                          There's more to it than just gross ratings point though, there are also demographic factors to consider.

                          For instance The West Wing wasn't as highly rated as alot of other shows, but the top demographic for that show was people who made over 80K per year. That's a coveted demographic.

                          Same thing with CNBC, their ratings aren't that high, but the ads are expensive, because it's such a targeted and affluent audience.
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                          • Snake Doctor
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                            • Mar 2001
                            • 13449

                            #63
                            Originally posted by Martin3
                            Reality TV targets dumb people. Dumb people are easier to pursued. TV is all about selling advertising. Advertisers prefer to sell to people that will believe and buy their bullshit. You can figure out the rest.


                            On Rome, it was never meant to be more then one season. They only made the second season because of how well the first one did and the out cry from fans. There really isn't much more to tell in that story line.
                            Actually there's alot more to Roman history than what was shown on that show....BUT, they would need a new cast literally every year (if not more often) because you couldn't have Titus Pullo and Lucius Vorenus living through 300 years of Roman history.

                            Maybe they figured the cast/characters were a bigger part of the draw than the storyline?
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                            • Thomas N
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                              • Aug 2001
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                              #64
                              First thing I said when i saw a preview for Journeyman is that it looked great and would never make it half a season. I no longer bother trying, all the intriguing shows are doomed to cancellation within 12 episodes.

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                              • Nismo
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                                • May 2002
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                                #65
                                The only show that I can't miss these days is "its always sunny in Philadelphia". Those guys are comedic geniuses.
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                                • Thomas N
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                                  • Aug 2001
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                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by Elli
                                  Calling CSI intelligent? Please. When they start up the funky rock music to make forensics seem interesting and cool, you know you're in for a long ride.
                                  Thats not even the worst part of CSI. Well, the worst part is the acting. Especially CSI New York, I've never seen worse acting anywhere. But besides that, it is so unrealistic it is just unintentional comedy. At every hostage scene, theres a full swat team ready to storm the building, but they hang back a little and let the CSI LAB TECH lead the assault! hahaha yea right. And the CSI lab techs are all fluent skydivers, deep sea divers, able to rapel the statue of liberty, etc etc... its so absurd its actually funny.

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                                  • GrouchyAdmin
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                                    • Apr 2006
                                    • 12085

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by Elli
                                    Calling CSI intelligent?

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                                    • Elli
                                      Reach for those stars!
                                      • Apr 2003
                                      • 17991

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by SwordFish
                                      Thats not even the worst part of CSI. Well, the worst part is the acting. Especially CSI New York, I've never seen worse acting anywhere. But besides that, it is so unrealistic it is just unintentional comedy. At every hostage scene, theres a full swat team ready to storm the building, but they hang back a little and let the CSI LAB TECH lead the assault! hahaha yea right. And the CSI lab techs are all fluent skydivers, deep sea divers, able to rapel the statue of liberty, etc etc... its so absurd its actually funny.
                                      So true And everyone on the show is so unbelievably beautiful with soft hair lights on everywhere, it's distracting! I mean, I know Miami is a pretty place with pretty people, but even the scientists and cops are model material? Come on! Gimme Lenny Brisco or Adam Schiff any day
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                                      • JayDeeZee
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                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by Lenny2
                                        There's more to it than just gross ratings point though, there are also demographic factors to consider.

                                        For instance The West Wing wasn't as highly rated as alot of other shows, but the top demographic for that show was people who made over 80K per year. That's a coveted demographic.

                                        Same thing with CNBC, their ratings aren't that high, but the ads are expensive, because it's such a targeted and affluent audience.
                                        The target audience is part of the calculation of your rating point.

                                        Every station prices each show on the demo that perfoms the best.

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                                        • loreen
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                                          • May 2004
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                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                                          as long as they leave fucking Dexter alone...
                                          I love it
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                                          • gideongallery
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                                            • Aug 2003
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                                            #71
                                            best new show is pushing daisies
                                            it is so going to get cancelled
                                            it like big fish combined with monk
                                            a gitchy show which has murder solved each eps

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                                            • gideongallery
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                                              • Aug 2003
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                                              #72
                                              good news for journey man fans

                                              http://www.eztvefnet.org/index.php?m...&show_news=940

                                              it looks like it got an order of 1/2 a season

                                              “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                                              • Shagbunny
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                                                • Oct 2007
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                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by ucv.karl
                                                Remember HBO cancelled Deadwood and Carinvale. Both of these shows where way better than John from Cinci. I wanted to like John from Cinci, but it was all over the place. The narrative was so convoluted/complex; it was difficult to pull anything out of that show. It probably should have been canceled.

                                                The only show I am watching now is Californication.
                                                Just got into Californication recently, 3 episodes in and I'm loving it

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                                                • Az A Bay Bay
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                                                  #74
                                                  ya huh....

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                                                  • Az A Bay Bay
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                                                    #75
                                                    way tO many "(

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                                                    • pocketkangaroo
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                                                      • Jan 2005
                                                      • 8452

                                                      #76
                                                      Looks like Journeyman and Life are out the door. Sad because Journeyman was getting real good.

                                                      http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethe...ves-journ.html

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                                                      • Snake Doctor
                                                        I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                        • Mar 2001
                                                        • 13449

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                                                        Looks like Journeyman and Life are out the door. Sad because Journeyman was getting real good.

                                                        http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethe...ves-journ.html
                                                        Well they said nothing is final yet.

                                                        Would suck though, tonight's episode was the best one yet.

                                                        Also sucks that they don't care about DVR viewers or online viewers. If they're gonna be like that they shouldn't offer the show for free online, then people would find a way to watch it on TV.
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                                                        • pocketkangaroo
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                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                                                          Well they said nothing is final yet.

                                                          Would suck though, tonight's episode was the best one yet.

                                                          Also sucks that they don't care about DVR viewers or online viewers. If they're gonna be like that they shouldn't offer the show for free online, then people would find a way to watch it on TV.
                                                          Tonight was great, and next week looks to be a huge episode.

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                                                          • bhutocracy
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                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                            • 10218

                                                            #79
                                                            Lost, Heroes, Weeds, Californication & The Shield keep me going.

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                                                            • zabijaq
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • Jun 2006
                                                              • 956

                                                              #80
                                                              As You've wrote: TV is Made for Idiots these Days

                                                              That's the only purpose of TV.

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                                                              • Snake Doctor
                                                                I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                • Mar 2001
                                                                • 13449

                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                                                                Tonight was great, and next week looks to be a huge episode.
                                                                Yeah at first I thought they had a cool new angle with his brother believing him and helping out....but now that got all twisted to hell and he appears to be in deep doo-doo next week.
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                                                                • Snake Doctor
                                                                  I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                                  • 13449

                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                  Lost, Heroes, Weeds, Californication & The Shield keep me going.
                                                                  Heroes really sucked this year up until about 2 episodes ago...then it seemed like the story line finally got traction.

                                                                  What's pissing me off though is that they're saying there's only 2 episodes left. That would be a grand total of 11 episodes.
                                                                  That's what they're calling a season now?

                                                                  I thought that Lost was giving us the shaft by only having 18 episodes, but that's generous compared to Heroes apparently.
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                                                                  • aico
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                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                    • 14748

                                                                    #83
                                                                    What? you don't like Tila Tequila? c'mon that's quality entertainment. Ex-stripper turned oxy-cotin addict who fucks guys and girls, you can't ask for better quality entertainment.

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                                                                    • CDSmith
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                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                      • 51460

                                                                      #84
                                                                      Originally posted by zabijaq
                                                                      As You've wrote: TV is Made for Idiots these Days

                                                                      That's the only purpose of TV.
                                                                      Look at the size of the trailer parks on the fringes of most large N American cities.

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                                                                      Wife swap? Give me a fucking break. That survives, yet so many actually great series get cancelled after a handful of episodes.

                                                                      As with everything in life, mindless idiots are the ones empowered as the decision makers.
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                                                                      • TTiger
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                                                                        #85
                                                                        i miss Rome so much
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                                                                        • Darrell
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                                                                          #86
                                                                          I still can't believe Firefly was canceled

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                                                                          • MaxCandy
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                                                                            #87
                                                                            I still miss the west wing
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                                                                            • NOTR
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                                                                              • Aug 2001
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                                                                              #88
                                                                              Anyone remember Boomtown? That's one show that I miss. Bought it on DVD and was instantly hooked. I still love all the L&O, the cast seems to be changing quite a bit.

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                                                                              • xmas13
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                                                                                #89
                                                                                Welcome to idiocracy

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                                                                                • Bdiddy
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                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Fuck TV... 2cents
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                                                                                  • Snake Doctor
                                                                                    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                    • Mar 2001
                                                                                    • 13449

                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by MaxCandy
                                                                                    I still miss the west wing
                                                                                    Yeah that was the best show of all time IMO.

                                                                                    They even had some suprisingly good episodes/storylines after Sorkin left....although Sorkin's writing was still the best.

                                                                                    They could have milked that show for a few more seasons with Jimmy Smits and Alan Alda as the new principle characters.

                                                                                    Oh well.
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                                                                                    • OG LennyT
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                                                                                      • Jun 2003
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                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      I DVR

                                                                                      2 1/2 Men and The Big Bang Theory - good shows
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                                                                                      • cool1
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                                                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                                                        • 24939

                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        I do not watch tv much anymore, but do break down and change the tv channel from Teletoon ( my kids fave channel) to which ever channel has House on.

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                                                                                        • TTiger
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                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          actually im watching : HBO - the wire season 4


                                                                                          the 4400 season 4

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                                                                                          • Just Mike
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                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            i heard DEXTER was already picked up for season 3

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                                                                                            • Rochard
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                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                                                                                              Just saw the early predictions for shows to be cancelled shortly and Journeyman is on the list. This comes after years when Arrested Development, Rome, and other great shows were cancelled. Of course the ratings winners are shows like Dancing with the Stars, Survivor, Big Brother and other shows that take no intellect to watch.

                                                                                              TV continues to head down the shitter. Probably replace Journeyman with another fucking reality show.
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                                                                                              • stev0
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                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                I hear your pain, reality tv is brutal.

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                                                                                                • Axeman
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                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  Originally posted by OG LennyT
                                                                                                  I DVR

                                                                                                  2 1/2 Men and The Big Bang Theory - good shows
                                                                                                  Agreed. The Big Bang Theory has really been a nice surprise this year.

                                                                                                  I also dvr, 30 Rock, The Office and Scrubs. And for 10 weeks a year Curb Your Enthusiasm is a must.
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                                                                                                  • uno
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                                                                                                    • Dec 2002
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                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Zuss
                                                                                                    Does anyone remember "Space- above and beyond" on fox? That was a great show. The guy responsible for canceling that show should rott in hell!
                                                                                                    Fox has a LONG history of cancelling good/great shows.

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                                                                                                    • uno
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                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                                                                                                      I loved Six Feet Under.

                                                                                                      I think it's tough to put HBO and Showtime in the mix. They almost always put out intelligent original programming. Their target market is someone who will pay for quality television.
                                                                                                      The fuckers at showtime cancelled Dead Like Me way too soon. At least the guy behind it is doing Pushing Daisies now.
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