Anything and everything "could" be the result of magical unicorns descending from the Heavens and making it so.

See how that works?

You just negated your own arguments.

Oh... wait. You're part of the "elite"?

All those aerial shots are interesting. No telling what they were up to. You could say they were building a runway in case their "god" ever did appear, or they were trying to welcome their god. But on the other hand, how could they possibly know of aircraft or that one may need a runway? Such primitive people would not know such a thing.

Curious things for sure.

He is always an attention pathetic whore. Probably still trying to get his brain around why programs want to manually approve affiliates.

Odd little artifacts. For all the things that can be explained, you have little items like this that don't make any sense.

Religion is bullshit. But if aliens did come to earth (who knows), it is possible all religion is based on their visit. And while it may be bullshit in terms of how it is meant to control people, maybe a long time ago the basics of it were not bullshit. No way to tell.

What should they have left behind, cola cans?

Possible runways, aircraft artifacts, drawings... perhaps those are the traces and we just choose to ignore them.

Take Jesus for example and lets pretend he is real and everything said about him is the truth. Suppose he does come back like they say he will. Imagine he shows up in New York or California and starts telling people he is the son of God, walking around wearing lord knows what. People would not believe him no matter what. They would probably arrest him after he failed to produce an ID of any kind and he would be locked away. Yea, but he's Jesus you say, he wouldn't allow that to happen. Keep in mind, Jesus allowed himself to be crucified so sitting in a jail cell would be nothing for the guy. And then what if he really did convince people he was really Jesus, performing miracles and all of that. Do you know how fast the US Government ( or any government) would seize him? NO WAY would they allow him to see the light of day. It would disrupt the entire world. Proof of his existence would never, ever be allowed.

The same sort of information would apply to aliens. It would shatter all belief in religion and those who are in control would lose all control. God Inc would cease to exist. That information, assuming it exists, would never, ever, see the light of day. Unless they came down and everyone could see them with their own eyes, we'll never know about them.

OMG of course WE build the pyramids. Humans can do anything, when determined. USA could land on the moon I think like 9 years after JFK set that goal. With good leaders we can do amazing stuff. It sucks there is so few of such leaders, I wish we had now leaders who could inspire people and who would set better goal than 2% economic growth, that is the real crisis.
There is no doubt that civilizations in past also sometimes had great leaders and therefore they were able to create amazing things. Evidence of alien visits is more in texts, not so much in buildings. Yes they can amaze us and some of those blocks of stone (those used in pyramids are quite small compared to the biggest ones) we do not know how could have been moved, but is just no evidence. Great wall of China is by far more great building than pyramids and no one says aliens built it.
For me evidence are those stories in texts about flying machines old more than thousand year, that is I think much harder to explain. Some say aliens are the craziest idea, well I think opposite, it is the most simple one, only you just have to accept that there are other civilization like we are out there. There is no reason not to be. It is not so long we in Europe had no idea that whole other continents with their own civilizations exists and I think it is pretty much the same case now, except now there is not ocean between us, but space.

Since you can't prove either statement to be either true or false, you're talking about personal faith, not science or fact.

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Again, you dodge the simple fact that you cannot prove the unicorns and aliens exist or not. You are talking about your own personal faith in the matter and not provable fact.

I suspect you know this being that you continually deflect the discussion to broader conspiracies while unilaterally and unconvincingly, proclaiming yourself to be correct.

I am not the one making absurd claim after absurd claim and proclaiming them to be fact in the absence of incontrovertible proof.

You are.

Seems however, that you're a bit closer to admitting how ignorant and insane you sound.

What is not about faith? Its 2012 and in the most advanced countries on this planet there are people who does not "believe" in evolution... Those people are far more crazy than those who believe aliens visited and exactly the same crazy as those who thinks that aliens altered our DNA :)

If we are to take those sightings as the truth, and they may or may not be, but lets say they are, then that is exactly what I'm talking about. Such information MUST be regarded as rumors, hoaxes, and stories from crazy people. The real truth, assuming there is one, will never be told.

so, all this time while I thought I was making decisions, and going down my own path, choosing who I would like to listen to and who I will ignore, I was actually just doing what the queen was telling me to do?

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Isn't there some stats about the pyramids somewhere that says they needed to be placing a block in place every 4 minutes night and day never ending for 20 years straight?


I found that sort of precision impressive

I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution, but to be fair, everyone used to believe the world was flat. Evolution is only a theory. The "missing link" has still not be found. Maybe it never will be. So to not believe it is understandable.

However, to not believe in evolution because you believe a magical man in the sky created everything, gave us a book to live by, looks after us, and judges us when we die, is ridiculous.

But really, who knows? Wouldn't it be something if we find out in 200 years that evolution isn't the reason, and it's something that today we have not even thought of yet? That's how shit works.

Not saying it is, but what if that is true?

The illusion of choice is all you would ever need. Living within the confines created for you to make you believe you have a choice, isn't really a choice.

George Carlin has a funny skit where at the end he says the only real choice we have is "paper or plastic."

Slave labor is a hellova work force.

when level of education do you have? seriously?

Pyramids are massive, I could believe a stat like that, We are all pretty lazy compared to people that didn't have technology to help them. but if you watched the video at the start of the thread with 1 old dude lifting and standing a 21,000 lb stone by himself with wood and sand, it's pretty easy to believe that 5,000 slaves could move and place 1 every 4 minutes, in teams of 14 salves, or workers, that's 357 teams, each placing a stone a day.

the first think a person did when they came into power back then was order the construction of their final resting place, so that it would be ready when they died.

True, Jack knows the truth.

http://static.thepioneerwoman.com/en...8/thetruth.jpg

incorrect, we are all capable of individual thought. We may have to stand on the shoulders of giants to do so but the thoughts are still our own.

The government or 'elite' that you speak of have nothing to do with invention, they are almost always created by regular people, just like the rest of us. That being said, the control you are speaking of is nothing more than a figment of your imagination.

If you regard control as leaders taxing us on these ideas and innovations than most of us would agree with you, but you are reaching when you take it any farther than that.

what's that have to do with it, 5,000 slaves can also shovel a lot of dirt, you build a level, then you raise the land around it, you build another level, then raise the land around it, repeat a couple hundred times, then you laugh at the guys who have to drag away all the sand they used to raise the land. Shoveling sand isn't that hard, and building a ramp out of sand that is several hundred feet, or even several thousand feet long so that it is a very slight grade, isn't that much work for a few thousand people. A bunch of dudes with logs can pound the air out of sand mixed with a bit of water and hay and make a road as hard as concrete.

there was a post a few pages ago stating that the most boring answer is usually the correct one, or something to that effect. Ancient building techniques we pretty boring as well, they just don't make sense to us because they were harder than calling for a crane. or buying a diamond tipped chop saw.

Glen only watches Dawg the bounty Hunter, and I home schooled him, so you are way off!

The whole Alien and Pyramid thing I am happy to talk about for days, it's exciting stuff, and I love to learn how people did shit thousands of years ago. But the whole who controls what I do, and my thoughts aren't really my own issue, I'm perfectly fine with feeling like I do what I want (I have good morals so what I want to do doesn't really get me in any trouble) and I am also fine with you thinking I do whatever the Queen wants me to, I don't think it is worth wasting any time on. I'd rather concentrate on something I / errr the Queen / care about

you are lying, but pretending it's true, get your money back.

spent too much time in public schools? as opposed to what? not spending any time in any school? You are saying your tidbits that you have picked up from youtube and alternative websites is more fact based than what they teach?

Have some news for you.. those 'elite'? They went to schools too. They read the news like everyone else too. They read a lot of the same books as we do as well (well not you, you don't seem to read books). If that is true, how can they be any different than the rest of us? If they are so different than the rest of us what about their families? Are all politicians family members rich billionaires too? That's a lot of families.. that's a lot of people..

who said anything about them caring about us? I don't care about them really, i just don't know them so why would i? It would be odd for me to expect that from them in return.

so hemingway didn't write the old man in the sea?

I didn't miss your point, I am pretty sure I acknowledged it, and and completely fine with your point, I just said that I really don't care, and hoped we could get back to talking about Aliens and Pyramids, cause they are far more interesting.

another cool thing is they find very old caves that look like they were mined for gold...straight cuts into rock etc
everyone wants to agree that that is what was going on there, as it looks like it.

however, it was 150,000 years ago...so......we won't talk about that.

I suspect this isnt our first shot at the modern era...if rome had not fallen we would probably be on the moon by now..living there.

even the metal skyskrapers in newyork wil be just piles of red dirt in 50,000 years.

Same goes for YOUR sources :1orglaugh

Why would you believe THEM?

Because they contradict the other sources?
Because you CHOOSE to believe them?

Okay, so you decide who's elite. Interesting.

Who is elite and who isn't?
Can I fire random names at you and you can tell me?

And does this include names nobody has ever heard of or just well known names?

he is probably referring to the banking families
rothschilds...rockefellers etc

you can't even understand very simple questions.

If they had some amazing technology, why did they only build pyramids and not a scyscraper? Pyramids are the simplest possible design if you wanted to build up.

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::breathes::

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Objection your honor: speculation

And again: who makes that list. Who is deemed elite and who isn't?
Neither you or he answered my question as to who is deemed elite and by whom.

they actually drilled the holes by hand and then inserted some local wood in the holes and then they poured water over the wood in the holes, the wood would become saturated with the water and the pressure would split the rock...they told us this at the old stone quarry in Asuan in Egypt....as for transport it was done by the river nile...they would roll the huge stones over logs, some logs got crushed to powder because of the immense weight of the granite stones, then they were floated up the nile....

as for how they built the pyramids they would build the 1st floor of rocks and then cover the whole thing with sand and then build another floor...when they reached the top of the pyramid they had one giant motherfucker of a sand pile they just took away and the pyramid would reveal itself from underneath....

as for cutting the rock with laser like precision without any tools they used my penis :) ok they have no idea how it was done..........

this guy for real?

lol

Person A believes our thinking is controlled and/or limited by "the elite".
Person B believes we are free to think of anything we want.

Which persons thinking is really limited? :1orglaugh

Back to the aliens and planets discussion.. what about the amount of time it takes light to reach Earth? If we are looking at planets and galaxies that are thousands of lightyears away, doesn't that mean what we see today is something that happened thousands of years ago? We don't really know the current state of these places. Not only would they be different before we even attempted to reach them, but by the time we did reach them they would be even that much more different.

I'm starting to question that myself. This guy is almost too ignorant, brainless and proud of that to be real.

Yeah...it's starting to smell an awfull lot of troll in here.

If he's not a troll, I pity the fool more than BA pities Murdoch.

Yes there is life in the Universe. Odds are many types of life. For life forms to evolved along the same lines as humans and animals inhabiting Earth would need a repeat of the exact same events, chemicals, atoms, etc. The odds on that suddenly make it a far more less likely occurrence.

Atmosphere, gravity, evolution, food, land, sea, etc. on Earth may be unique to the Earth, scientists accept this. So there's a problem when an alien life form lands on Earth.

They also accept there's a problem flying life forms around our Solar system, let alone our Galaxy. Zero gravity isn't something we could cope with for long and if we did, when we landed on another planet, we would have to cope with the gravity there. Things like Space suits can't protect against gravity. Maybe a space traveler will be bouncing around in a lower gravity, or squashed lik a bug against a wind shield with a too high gravity.

Then there's the problem of getting a life form from A-B. Stop thinking in terms of getting a man on the moon and start thinking of something 100,000 times greater. Food, air, fuel, equipment, gravity, etc.

These rules not only apply to us, they apply to every living creature in the Universe. They will have evolved over millions of years for life on their planet, not for space travel or living on another planet.

Is it possible? Yes. But the odds are extreme in such numbers to make it 0.0001% possible with other life forms.

The odds are if we were ever visited by a craft from another galaxy it would be 100% machine. Like what we are doing with Mars. For that the odds plummet to something probable.

I watch to much mid day TV. :1orglaugh

Well the truth hasn't been suppressed. They have dug up the bones and can see there were 1,000s of workers constructing the pyramids. During certain times of the year when they weren't needed on the farms. The skeletons show evidence of extreme labor.

So if these "Aliens" did it. Why did they need humans to tug the stones up the ramps?

This is repeated in all the structures you point at as evidence. The S. American structures, Stone Henge and others. There's huge evidence of the people living around these structures during the building of them. The early pyramids and the last ones, span a long period.

So the aliens hung around for 2,000 years, visited all those places you claim and left no evidence. :upsidedow

Amazing what you find on Wikipedia.

damn what movie was this? i need to watch it again, salt water killed them?

ah i remember, alien nation, post edited :)

And you claim you're not doing the exact same thing? :1orglaugh

Fuck you must be fucking stupid if you're not a troll.

I firmly believe that there was an ancient civilization here on Earth that made all those monuments and pyramids. Be it an alien race or ancient humans, I wouldn't know.

We know who built the Great Pyramid: the pharaoh Khufu, who ruled Egypt about 2547-2524 B.C. And we know who supervised its construction: Khufu's brother, Hemienu. The pharaoh's right-hand man, Hemienu was "overseer of all construction projects of the king" and his tomb is one of the largest in a cemetery adjacent to the pyramid.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/imhotep.htm

http://www.archaeology.org/0705/etc/pyramid.html

That guy is not trolling. Like most people in this business, he has serious issues with authority and conformity. Like most in this business, he's most likely unemployable and probably never held any job for more than 6 months. He rationalizes his diminished and troubled emotional state as all like him do, by continually stating, supporting an affirming his belief that his dysfunction as a person is actually a great gift that sets him apart (and notably above) all others and then safely reasos that everyone else must have the problem (and notably beneath him). This is the safe emotional cacoon that he's constructed for himself, so that he may never have to address his own emotional issues and distorted world view. Reality is a scary thing for most to confront, particularly when living many years in the warm comfort of delusion.

Friends, this post is GOLD, even if posted by Markham. Finally someone who understand the basics of space travel