Because nobody knew this was going on for at least a year, right?

Did Paul work on your magical join links or what?

I didn't say that you get no traffic, you do and we pay you for the referrals. I said that many people search the term "Nike" (a brand), nobody searches for "cam boy toys" or any variation because it is not a brand like you are trying to make it seem it is.

This issue meant that a small percentage of the users were sent F4F promo emails. In order for the user to not be attributed to you, they would have to purposely create a new account with new identity, with a new cc, a new address, AND get through our fraud department. It would be very difficult for our system to "steal" any customers and not pay you for them.

Hey, genius, this isn't about cam boy toys, this is about the white labels, all 3, that you stole my customers from. You can't come into a thread that has actual proof and lie your way out of it.

*Edit, camgirlssex.com has been indexed over 80,000 times and had a pr of 2, just down to 1.
camboyschat.com is on page 2 of google when searching for "cam boys" and was on page 1.

Not only that, what about every other white label owner out there trying to build a brand? What do you tell them, there brand isn't worth shit either?

back to the front page.

VS got caught with the cat in the bag :)) kitty kitty

A very sneaky way to steal from affiliates, after all, how many try to join their own stuff? As far as I understand, joining yourself is allowed with some sponsors, as long as you tell them after the test is done and the sale is removed/cancelled. Sextronix comes to mind as one who allows its webmasters to test join anytime and for any reason, as long as you tell them afterwards.

Great work Failed.

You should get a MEDAL!

Like Samuel Clemens, I don't lie, I have no use for it. If you want to continue to slander me, have the balls to say it to me in person. A lot of my old accounts are still contacting me for help. Because I helped them! Like you yourself have said!

I worked with you to make an improvment in the WL, that's the only thing we have worked together on, You were not my account, so if you want to call me names for that,. bring it asshole! I see a big future for someone that calls people that work with them names!!!

I'm done with you, putting you on ignore. I have a problem being attacked by someone that I helped and even admitted to me helping you. What a fucking asshat!

what he said was your brand is not important to them, so they sent emails to your customers under their own brand to strengthen their own brand name. its not right, but that is what he said - twice. lol

MORE/EDIT: it would be like me requiring PornCMS customers to keep a PornCMS logo in the header of their sites and our brand name in their titles, emails, and all site branding. its a pretty fucked up way to do business, but in their mind, they are the sponsor and you are just an affiliate. they don't see you as a reseller.
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So you never said that piracy sites were affiliates and then changed it to VS bought space?

So you now admit VS buy advertising on piracy sites giving away recorded porn. Nice when V.

I have no part in this at all, but do find it peculiar that if one, for example you, would work for an affiliate program, being the big name announced on the board (having one of the most royal email addresses I've ever seen!) and stuff, then I find it a bit disturbing that one would care if one was your account or not.

Take TopBucks for example, Sly is my account manager. Should I ever need to ask Kristin something, she WILL respond and she WILL solve my problem. Same as Nastydollars, whomever I happen to contact, WILL help me out, being their account or not.

To even bring that up as an argument, that "I only help if you're my account, those are the only ones I care for" is a strange way to perceive one owns job, reputation and most importantly the firm or brand one is working for.

Now, you mentioned that you DID in fact help out, so noted. From the affiliate point of view, I would say that's what I would expect you to (given that what was asked for was reasonable and beneficial to both).

Not here to criticize you or how you work, and most importantly not interested to pick a fight. I just find it very peculiar how one would bring up such a thing, to tell an affiliate "I don't have to do this for you, because you are not my account".

Vendzilla has me on ignore, consider the debt paid VS :thumbsup

To be honest, I'm not here looking for money. I didn't even expect the gift card. I just want to move on from this company and their dishonest ways of doing business. The only thing I wanted from this thread was to bring all of the information I had to other affiliates. Which I think has been done, so I'm satisfied.

But, Vendzilla comes in and calls me a drama queen, the VS reps come in and flat out lie about the damage they've done to affiliates, and it makes me angry to see that a company and it's reps past and present, still continue their dishonesty after proof has been presented. They use my lowest performing domain as an example to show how this wasn't damaging from their point of view. Well forget my domains, what about everyone else's? That's what this is about, all the white labels they stole from, ALL.

Anyway, I hope they keep coming here and bumping the thread. If I owned VS I would tell Jeff and even contact Vendzilla and let them know the best thing they could do is just shut the hell up. Thankfully, they don't :)

seriously learn to fucking read.

It probably has a lot to do with why he's no longer working for them anymore. Remember, it was only a week or so ago that his ass was fired. :1orglaugh

yea i dont know how deep or far this goes, but it could be the latest major scam uncovered in porn. this time of course the scam was on the affiliates not customers. i hope it keeps getting bumped and i hope other WL affiliates for VS and other companies check their stats. VS makes a shitload of money. there was no reason to steal from affiliates.
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WTF is your point? He wasn't my account and I worked with him, does this escape you? Need hooked on phonics or something? He's a whiny bitch that if he didn't get his email answered at 9 pm, he posted on GFY about it at 9:05 pm.

This is the Vendzilla and Video Secrets mentality. Bring an issue to light that other affiliates should be aware of and you're "a whiny bitch."

Good luck finding a job :thumbsup

a few points were made.

1. Failed tried to point out this "Oopps E Daisy" problem a few months back and nothing happend.

2. Once he pointed out the problem on gfy..suddenly not only do the parites resposible reply but they come up with a great excuse why this happend and then send Failed a $250 gift card as a STFU thank you note

3. You got pissy and acted like you were doing a favour for helping out an affiliate that wasnt actually making YOU money ..then call him a whiney bitch for?..for poitning out VS is in theory taking affiliate join emails to send out freebies in an attempt to hijack future earnings from the affiliate.

4. you got fired.

just sayin:2 cents:

EDIT..you got fired and got pissy at Failed because in reality if he didnt expose this problem here and you didnt open your mouth about it..you would probably still have a job...in your eyes..Failed is the reason you wont be getting a paycheck on friday ;)

I'll weigh in on a few things.

1. "Cam Boy Toy" is a brand, people do google strange domains
2. I appreciate that you feel the affiliate is being dramatic, but it's a pretty serious error. At best, it shows a major failure to do some basic testing before you made a system live to people, at worst deliberate fraud.
3. At this point, you're expecting us to "trust" the way you say your system works, and people getting credit for joins with no links on them, etc. This would be more believable if you had been quicker to respond to the affiliate's initial problem e-mails.
4. When you fuck up, don't belittle your affiliate. It's unbecoming.
5. We're evaluating white labels, and Failed has given me some things to consider, and some tests to run on all of our partners before we select one. I believe this was his goal.

Bugs happen, but "bugs" are also used to cover a lot of "fraud" so the suspicion is fair.

Failed went to the boards before contacting the program.

He has a history of it.

He's just here for the drama, business is not conducted that way.

The problem he went to the forums last month was taken care of. It was explained to him. This is a new one, try to keep up. He waited 5 minutes after he sent the email before whinning to GFY. That was about commisions, try to keep up asshole. He didn't even bother contacting the program this time.,

I have emails dating back to January about this situation. Keep lying and making yourself and the program that use to employ you look bad.

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Well said.

And 3 or 4 months ago I remember him sitting here and vehemently defending VS when many affiliates were trashing them. As I recall he was claiming that he was making good money with VS. It's ridiculous to say that he is out to get VS for no reason because that's just not true based on the evidence and common sense. It's almost never good in the short term for an affiliate to break relations with a sponsor who is performing. It's not something that most of us do lightly because it can severly hurt us in the short term. However it's just like anything else in that once you catch someone being shady or cheating chances are they will do it again so you have to. You learn that with experience.

But even if I dismissed this incident and all the past things I have heard about VS based on the responses of the VS reps and yourself I wouldn't be caught dead promoting VS as an affiliate.

Thats your desicion, I don't have any issues with them. You would think I would

I do have issues with those that attack openly without talking to the program first. He has a history of this, last time was because of somethng in the TOS he didn't understand. End result, he makes money with the program. I've seen his stats, yet shows all the disrepect I would expect of a 3rd grader that ran short of his Ritalin medications.

Thanks for make this public, I'm gonna check the other sponsors too that I'm using with WL. Great work.

You lied about pirates being affiliates and then it was bought space, probably lied about the time running out as well. So why should anyone believe you when you say you or VS did not know about this?

And it's up to a program to make sure their affiliates are getting the money they have worked for. If this were me everyone would be flaming and rightly so.

Oh Vendzilla, enough with the lies. I was in contact with the program about these issues since January. I thought I was being lied to so I did some investigating on my own which then proved I was being lied to. After I had proof and knew Video Secrets was flat out lying to me, I brought it to the boards to warn other affiliates and expose the lie.

You keep saying that going to the boards makes me a whiny little bitch, a drama queen, and that this is no way to do business. What is a good way of doing business? Lying to affiliates, stealing from affiliates, and expecting them not to open their mouths and warn other affiliates?

Call me all the names you want, just keep doing it in this thread so it gets back to page 1. I'm happy to accept all of your insults as long as 1 more affiliate gets to read this thread.

This is exactly right. You even warned me about them, lol. But, I was making decent money with them and thought they were on the up and up now. When I thought I was being lied to I did some investigating and everything changed. Now, here we are.

Part of me wishes I listened to you, but part of me is glad that I had the opportunity to stay around and maybe help some others.

this thread shouldn't die this quickly

Am i right in thinking this thread is about people who sign up under a white label get emails afterwards without the white label's name attached? And VS are saying that even though this happens those members still get credited to the webmaster who sent them?

I'll give you the highlights:
- Video Secrets reps tell me that white label customers aren't targeted by their main site Flirt4Free

- After some back and forth emails I do more testing on my own and find out that immediately after a customer signs up to your white label they are targeted with free credits from Flirt4Free

- Haven been fed enough bullshit and lies I bring it to the boards so that other affiliates are aware of this underhanded way of doing business

- Another Video Secrets rep makes up a nice long post that's pure bullshit

- I check my stats and notice that white label customers would sign up for free on my white labels and as quickly as 11 minutes later make their first purchase on Flirt4Free and that this has been going on for at least a year, perhaps years

- Video Secrets rep tries to say it's not a branding issue

- Video Secrets rep makes belittling comments to its affiliate(s)

- Video Secrets rep disappears from board and has yet to answer the questions in the thread

if it wasnt for us assholes you old dusty pieces of shit would never learn how to swim:winkwink:



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how come it's always a rogue programer or employee or whatever in question who hast to look at the problem and it's always that program rips off an affiliate not the other way around...?

Have you at least confirmed since Brad's post that they've fixed the issue? Obviously they still need to address why it went on for years per what you've seen, but has it been confirmed that it no longer happens?

there is a direct relationship between the size of a company and its willingness to fuck over anybody involved with it. small companies / solo proprietors dont spend hours in board rooms looking for ways to squeeze an extra dollar out of a business partner or customer.
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you are losing branding, not sales correct?

No idea, I haven't done any additional testing and I don't plan on doing any. It's up to the affiliates that remain with the program to do so.

Branding, traffic, rankings, social sharing, promotions to start. Then there were emails sent out that had no affiliate links in them (the ones without free credit offers) which would be impossible to track and know for certain if sales were lost.

*Edit, there are also free sign ups that occurred on white labels with no credit card information entered that never appeared in our stats. These free sign ups not only didn't show up, they were targeted with Flirt4Free emails directly after signing up. And here again, no way of tracking if sales were lost or not.