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no one cares.

More brilliant analysis from the only active poster here that's calling "abject failure", "retirement"

the big tubes make more in a day then you did in your life. the end.

And the porn moguls made more in a year than any big porn tube ever made.

And we made more in a day than you made in a month. So your point is?

The big Tubes have devastated porn. We're 2 of the lucky ones, we didn't spend all we earned so we could impress losers, we put money into things that would make a long term return and now I can sit here and tell you how you geniuses fucked up a whole industry with your stupidity.

No one cares what a little loser like you has to say. I annoy people, which is more than you will ever achieve. You're not important enough. You, Squawker, Jokes and a lot of other nobodies.

Thanks for the bumps guys and the stupid say nothing replies.

Where is ST23 with an intelligent reply? His thread is going nowhere with the idiots replying to me.

you live of states benefits. fuck off. no one believes anything you say. you are a self-centered narcissist and compulsive bullshitter.

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30 years in porn and here you are paul

broke, clueless and bragging about annoying people

yep, you are a real fuckwit man

Why the hate for Paul?

He is both a gentleman and a scholar who is doing this board (and this industry) a great service with his insights.

there is one person

he believes it himself

PM still a FI

I have no idea why. I'm obviously a tired old broken man living on State Benefits, who has to send his wife out to work washing other people's toilets. Never made any money in porn, offline or online. And now take in lodgers in our little cottage out in the fields to help buy food. Which fortunately here in the Third World is very cheap.

My ideas never have worked, never will work and far from being a scholar I'm an idiot and a troll instead of a gentleman.

So why do these wonderful mega successful people hate me so much? I'm too stupid to work that out.

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Fucking lol. The gravestone in your avatar doesn't seem to help you spot when someone's taking the piss.

The words in my post don't tell you I'm taking the piss?

You need pictures to show you, so here's one.

Oh fuck it what's the point?

Why do people bother trying to argue with Markham ?

He invented internet porn and even the amazing magic join links.

Now we have those who couldn't make it in porn commenting. Tell them why your Tube was so good you, with all your knowledge, gave it up for peanuts?

Also why you sold your sites? :1orglaugh

Where's st23?

I'm here. I got bored on the 20th wall of text and told you I'd cover one point at a time. :thumbsup

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The irony never ends.

Another bump for you Paul... oh wait it's not your thread.

Tube Traffic from one of the biggest tube sites is converting at less then 1:500 for a site that I am managing.

It actually blew me away when I saw those stats starting to come in.

Tell that to xhamster..

= I knew by the 20th post I was losing.

You never get bored in a debate you can win.

What are the conversion rates on consumers to clicks? Pimproll was doing 1-19 to get a click. I suppose yours were similar. Still anything that 99.5% of qualified people is pretty shitty. They liked porn, liked the sample enough to look for the link and click it and 00.5% actually spent $30. And you think that's so good you got blown away!!!!!!

Have you seen their accounts? Go look at Ann Summers and Beate Uhste for what they still mange to do. I doubt if you know who owns Xhamster or if they have published accounts.

So everyone is now happy to have the Pimproll Tube sending their traffic via PR to a traffic seller. St PR can get 50% of the money. Good stuff guys.

So just one query. Will the payouts be monthly, set at a minimum and how? Seems to me it's a lot of work to send out payments for $10-20 a month, or people will have to wait till it builds up to $100 and might be waiting 6 months for their $100.

Maybe Beaner should tell us more about the Tube he manages doing 1-500. PR need some help on this.

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xhamster.com will make more money when/if they sell the domain alone..

And where did you get that information from?

I asked you if you had seen Xhamsters accounts. You ignored it. Now you say the domain is worth more than Ann Summers and Beate Uhste turn over or make in a year, 10 years or a month?

Look at these figures and forget the propaganda you've been fed for the last 12 years. Look at the number of shops and the turn over. Then calculate this is the turn over of most decent porn shops or even just the top tier. Their figures are from a group of shops, some good some not so good.

Then multiply it by 1,000s imagine the number of porn shops around the world. Some countries with 1,000s some with 100s.

Now think no free porn well very very little, so people had to buy to enjoy. Imagine what the turnovers were in 1995 or even later of every porn shop in the world.

And you offer a company who runs a free tube site, cams and a few other things as a comparison. With absolutely no evidence, no information, nothing but propaganda that online porn was a boom for porn.

Think one magazine selling 200,000 copies at $5 every month. $12 million turn over on one magazine title. There's another market online porn all but wiped out. Damian with absolutely no evidence, in fact he will say there's no evidence. will tell you it's BS. How he knows with no evidence is beyond me. I at least talked to editors and porn shop owners.

Paul, you keep mentioning Beate Uhse...

besides being a retailer and making it impossible to compare that to a tube site, you should have a look at their numbers.

26% less revenue in the first 9 months of 2011 compared to the same timeframe in 2010

and they're happy to have their loss reduced to only 4.8 million Euro

their shares are at 29 euro cents

Don't let pesky facts spoil his fun, you meany.

NEWSFLASH:

Free porn always existed online. Was always freely available. Was always complained about.

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Yes, in 2011 they like most porn shops are on the decline. I did point it as an indication of what was made offline prior to online giving it away for free. Your point is?

Comparing retail with an advertising platform, good point. Are they just an advertising platform?

I'm pointing out the enormous amounts of money made prior to the rush to give it away for free. People are for ever comparing what the production end of porn makes and conveniently ignore they're comparing their retail sales, with a porn production companies figures. The 2 are not comparable.

However the quoting of Xhamster as a mega porn company wasn't started by me. Mike brought them up, I merely showed him a little part of the money made in porn prior to online porn. You will know of porn shops in Germany in prime locations, locations that cost a lot of money. This was repeated around the world, because of the turnover and profit.

Yes all pre recorded porn selling is today in decline. giving it away for free has devastated it.

I'm one of the lucky ones by being able to make enough in porn to retire. Many will not be so fortunate.

Yes Damian let's not let facts get in the way. As so few online porn companies have facts to base the propaganda on. Facts would leave us with so little to talk about.

I'm certain sure it won't stop you talking out of your arse though.

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Go and walk the jigsaw.

it is irrelevant what Beate Uhse ever made, they are in a different business

Sorry I thought they sold porn. My mistake.

So let's work with the facts.

26% less revenue in 3/4 of 2011 compared to 2010 3/4.

So is it conceivable that this is typical of offline porn?

You and I know how devastated the magazine business is, practically wiped out. Before 2010. So is it possible other offline sectors have suffered the same?

DVD production is according to some people who went to the last Berlin show is a shadow of previous years, you have been going for a few years. What's your observations?

Cable TV. I do know we get free channels or Private and a few others for a fraction of what it used to be. hotels don't seem to be as good a market as they used to be. I suspect premium phone lines are not the same either.

So has this decline meant an increase in online porn revenues recently? :1orglaugh

Damian, sit down so you stop talking and start contributing.

Dog - Walked
Jigsaw - Doing it slowly.
TV - Going to watch a favorite show of mine, on every day 3.00
Lunch - Eaten
Cooking - After Eva brings me some onions.
Book - Read starting a Dickens novel later.
Trolling - Never ending job :1orglaugh

for a good bunch of companies: yes

and lingerie and dildos are not porn

How many pages before I win a Mercedes? Will really help pad the $3.23 I make per year on my tube.

Agreed.

Not agreed, it's called diversification. Selling a singe item from each venue never was a good business model for most. My feelings are that these were always a sideline in the past.

I'm speaking from experience of porn shops in the 60s in Central London. A single shop would take a $1,000 in a day with no problems. Mark up was awesome. These were the days when criminals found porn shops lucrative enough to run, to bribe policemen and judges. They didn't sit around scared of a knock on the door, a new law being passed, or any of the little things that scare so many here.

In the 80s I was, with 2 employees, turning a lot of money. Selling mail order videos and I wasn't the only one. Magazine sets were worth $3,000 non exclusive, the prices never changed through the years. :(

And there were no end of magazines to sell to, because there were few shooters who could produce the goods. !st, 2nd, 3rd rights. Phone sex ads, covers, centre fold and then give it to Photorama to make even more money.

Production - Wholesale/distribution - Retail.

Today the Internet has wrapped it often under one company and we have the affiliates driving traffic past the shop windows. The biggest difference isn't the reach the Internet has. Because most of the countries that do buy, always did. The biggest difference is we give it away to get traffic which has always hurt sales in the porn industry. We just never saw it.

Today we know it for the truth. Because there's little else to take it from. Yes many people have seen the benefits of online porn and many have seen the harm. I've seen both and benefited and been harmed by both.

I suppose I got sick of the blabber based no concrete evidence, on propaganda and personal narrow views that online was a huge boost to porn. Try to get some offline people to agree to that.

I'm very happy, during the good years I put money into pensions. So now so long as I don't buy big flash cars, a big house or act like pimpin online guy to impress affiliates, we're fine for the rest of my life. Then my life insurance kicks in and Eva and our daughter are fine. The dog can go fend for himself.

I'll just stick around here trolling until it's gone. :thumbsup

Glad you're happy, has nothing to do with a new business model that you don't understand.

"What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?"

"What's that got to do with the pay for magazine sets in 1980?"

nonsense

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