TV programmes are paid for advertising so all prices are 10% or more higher to pay for your "free" TV.

he can command those prices because he because of how the established hollywood system and traditional media built him up over the last few decades. i hope you can see that. please.

wait. you actually think he commands 20 grand a night because of his podcast. like i said. delusional. :2 cents:

yes you did

In a thread complaining about hollywood account i said

that movie made a profit. you denied it. the end.

in your very idiosyncratic worldview worldview no one has ever made money from the traditional hollywood system. that is just simply false.

i love how you deliberately twist what i said

I talk about how he complained about Hollywood accounting causing clerks to "lose money" for the 6.5 years it was money losing film and you misrepresent that into a statement that it never made money every.


now your doing the same thing again

I address your bullshit "he may be suffering now" by proving he is making MORE money now with his tours. And you try and misrepresent that into the statement that i am claiming he did it solely with the pod cast. And it had nothing to do with the base of fans he had.


He started with his small movie base, used that to do a Q&A tour to colleges for travel money and per Diem.

And built up to getting 20k per showing.


Here is the fact

more people have watched his story about a script that didn't even see the light of day

then have seen his movie clerks in the theaters.


that's a fact.

He made more money bitching about cop out on his speaking tour then he made from making that movie. (it one of the jokes he tells in the speaking tour).

that's a fact.

he makes more money talking about his failures than he ever made MAKING his successes.

This will happen in wider markets than porn. Will iTunes prices rise?

The problem with porn is the mindset of people. Some still think giving away the product is the best way to sell it, or sell the traffic to sectors who don't buy content or pay for it to be bought. Like Coke do when they spend on advertising. Which is the flaw in St23 argument, currently he pays $0 for the content getting him traffic. If the amount of pirated content falls, he might end up paying more for traffic. Because with fewer legal suppliers and no competition from pirates. The price might go up.

The selling price isn't always governed by the cost, it is always governed by the willingness to pay. Can he compete in a higher priced market place?
SOPA isn't dead Damian, it's shelved. There's an election coming up and people are listening to voters. After the election expect SOPA to be resurrected.

hollywood made him famous and thus able to get the money he makes now on tour. fact.

So your claiming it had nothing to do with the network of fans he built up afterwards

so explain this Why didn't he start at the 20k level.



maybe 5k per show is from his hollywood career the rest is from his network of fans.

what level he start at then?

Yes now other trolls are after my title.

when kevin smith first started the tour he was booked to talk about his success as a guest lecture

he got paid shit all, he did it for free at first, paying the cost of hotel and transportation out of his own pocket.

he did because he wanted to give back.

his Q&A part was less than 15 minutes of the lecture


friends from one school would tell their friends at other schools to ask him questions

like the superman story



and it slowly morphed into nothing but Q&A no lecture at all.

his rates went up the more he stopped teaching from his Hollywood successes and talked about the crazy failures he had.

The running joke he tells is that he makes more money from his failures then he does from what Hollywood pays him for his greatest success.

The maximum portion of his current speaking gigs that you could attribute to his Hollywood success would be 25%. Since most of those stories include lot of behind the scenes self deprecating humor about his experience That would be an insane stretch.

you are interesting because you have created an alternate file sharing based reality. it has it's own events, narrative and history. it's own heroes and villains. it's own internal logic. of course it is only very slightly tethered to objective reality, but don't let that stop you man!

it almost reminds me of the worlds created by some schizophrenic artists. you should write your worldview down in a book. would make interesting study for some psychology ph d student.

Hey thanks for bringing that up.

1) Tv is not free you either watch the commercials or pay per view or similar.
2) The cheaper it costs for you to watch TV the crappier the content
3) I have 1000 free channels I watch 2 (discovery 1 and 2) and they are part of a more expensive package with my cable operator, I do in fact pay "membership" to watch and my cable operator pays the disovery channel for royalties.
4)The biggest shows and movies appear on expensive TV first and on cheap TV stations years later...even years later they are paid for.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

so the guy who claims Kevin smith earns 20k per speaking engagement because hollywood made him famous enough to deserve such a fee

but simultaneously fails to explain why he wasn't getting paid 20k in the beginning

is accusing me me of making up an alternative reality

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

dont get yourself involved. hes batshit crazy and doesnt understand that pageviews and clicks are 2 different things. every sponsor counts click to signup ratio. Paul counts pageviews to signups as ratios. Who knows why. Hes just a looney toon.

Really... he used pageviews or join hits to signups? I would be really surprised if he used page views in any comparison.

I bet you five bucks you're wrong. Are we on?

Please don't debate with the fool. He puts his foot to often to be anything else.

We all know a huge number of us are on Cable or Satellite channels. That the cost of the ad space pays for the free channels or in the UK it's a license charge. That even the big movies on HBO are on channels that are charged on top of the normal Cable charge. Except him. his Mum pays the bills. :1orglaugh

I count uniques. On page views it shows how interesting the site is to the uniques if used along with the time spent on the site. On Tubes it's very interesting. No I never thought page views to compare to joins. Just used it to give an indication of the sites ability to keep traffic looking.

Supz is a fool if he thinks otherwise and just proved it.

Damian seems you are right, I never saw the latest news. Another act will come.

Whoopsy doopsy daisy. You were generating 8 sales from a 1/4 million uniques. On a tube that cost you how much to put up?

If that unused domain was redirecting to where you will be selling traffic, it would make more for the affiliate. Cutting you in means another person taking a slice. That will pay for your Tube.

Go find out why your join page was losing 99.66% of the people on it and you might make more.

You're just a sign of the times, people clutching straws.

i like pubes... :2 cents:

Funny stuff... it ultimately becomes a heated debate with the one guy who sucks at everything internet related, has never had traffic or sales and continually demonstrates that he knows nothing about either... and another lunatic who's not even in the business at all.

Which one are you?

What exactly do you do?

Except bump my thread or threads I post in and then allow me to bump them again?

You know who i am. I'm the one who outed you for being a liar after you denied even knowing who i was.

Besides what difference does it make? Does it make you less retarded to know what I do? Does it make you more correct in your impossibly flawed analogies and outright wrong analysis of things you know absolutely nothing about? You're just a washed up windbag, who's now living on multiple government pensions in his twilight years, trying to compensate for a life of less than mediocre success by incessantly posting about things you know nothing about ... never understanding that the only value you bring to any conversation is little more than perverse amusement, like watching you drive a speeding car through a crowded Sunday market mowing down pedestrians while you are babbling about the future of driving, driving rules, safe driving, drivers licenses and so on.

No one here thinks you're intelligent or have anything to offer apart from a couple of other equally retarded brits and a fist full of people who are new to the biz.

Not that anything I say will matter.. this whole board has been calling you a dipshit for many years now and you still don't get it or understand why.
:2 cents:

The fact that you believe they create sites, let alone join pages, without testing and perfecting and such is fucking amazing. Seriously man? Do you really believe the shit that you type?

You so clearly have absolutely no clue what the point of this hostedtube program is.

Go find out why you don't know how to make sales and you might make sense one day.

You know nothing about how much we made, the little evidence you do have you ignore.

No the whole of this board hasn't been calling me a dipshit. Just mostly loser trolls like you. Who I wasn't very impressed with what you had to offer. You didn't likeme, your assistant didn't like me, you thought I was a crap shooter. Yet you hung around me all day and then in the evening. Even when I turned the TV on to watch soccer you were to stupid to get the message. I'm not interested in your offer to shoot cheap sets of girls, to give you one of my shooters, cameras, lights, studio to earn pennies. And please. It's time you got the message AND FUCKED OFF BACK TO YOUR HOTEL. Or were you hanging on for more pasta? :1orglaugh

Being polite to Eva is a lame excuse, about as lame as you were flying girls from Russia where they worked on webcam. For me to shoot cheap sets of while you rent an apartment to put them up in. Because shooting solo girl is illegal in Russia and webcam is legal?

For someone who knows nothing. I knew you were not worth playing nice to.

I always get this "stream" sales on itunes and rhapsody, and I get 0,000086 dollars earning

I DON´T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH SO MUCH MONEY!

You live on government pensions - not millions you put in the bank
You've been broke and begged for money on this very forum
You're wife had to stop shooting and take a job cleaning to support you
Once the industry matured, you were left behind and failed
You've said your best year was 70k or so profit
I've been to your shitty studio
I've been to your little house
We've all watched every venture/site you have fail except your content store

No one here is thinking "wow, Paul is brilliant and he must be a millionaire"

People are thinking "wow, this guy is so dumb, every word he types brings down the collective IQ of the entire industry"

:2 cents:

streaming music can pay chicken feed because it per listen not per purchase.

Maximizing streaming service playlist is an incredibly easy way for an independent artist to make money.

8000 people adding a song to the playlist and listening to in at work is not hard to do.

why because once you got them they stick around for a long time.

150 Paul Markham stories

It's the same story, he just says it 150 times.

no you stupid cunt the whole board has been calling you a dipshit

do you not read any of the replies fuckhead ? go on have a look grandpa. put your glasses on or something because how the fuck you could log in here day after day and not think you are the joke of the board is beyond belief




christ you are so fucked in the head it is actually quite sad

:2 cents:

So the ratio on that join page is good?

I do have a clue what the tube's about. Giving away more free porn to generate money on traffic. Not a lot but it seems that's all that's left after you clever guys took over porn. Yes I lasted 35 years and 3 years after stopping work by not knowing how to generate sales. If PR knew, they wouldn't be selling traffic to others.

Seriously do you believe the shit you type. Or do you think porn has done better since all you bright sparks took over?

Not you and squealer as prior to online porn you had to have some brains to make it in porn.

:1orglaugh

So to get back to the thread and ignore the little trolls.

Paul Markham - There is nothing wrong with the tube model.

True or not?

In business it's easy to gauge the success of a tool like Tubes and its effect on the industry, so I will apply the same test.

(A) Have the introduction of porn Tubes led to more money spent for online porn? The answer is a clear no. Since 2008 we have seen more sites close, cut out affiliates, look for ways to not pay affiliates, for affiliates, designers and others leave the business. No doubt for a few Tubes have been good, but for the industry as a whole they have been bad. Soon for those that benefit from them will feel the squeeze.

[(B) Have Tubes led to more traffic online? Yes. Still traffic doesn't = $$$$ sales do. so the extra traffic has to add extra sales. It also has to first replace the sales of people who are now consuming for free that were buying. There is no evidence Tubes did this and lots of indications they haven't.

(C) Have Tubes led to more free content online? Yes and there's no disputing with this.

(D) Have Tubes led to more piracy? Yes.

(E) Have Tubes allowed some sectors of adult to profit for free or limited costs? Yes, the traffic sectors, Dating and Webcam sites are buying traffic at a fraction of the real price. They don't pay for the content that draws the surfers to their adverts and if they had to they couldn't afford the traffic. A fool recently compared the advertising of Coke on NBC. For a 30 sec slot of advertising during the Superbowl the price is $3,500,000 plus the price of making the advert. This goes a little way to pay for the Superbowl. With all the stopping and starting the advertisers pay for the content.

(F) Are Tubes easy to put up? Yes and this is the problem. The easier it is, the more who can do iit and the lower the bar is set. Pimproll have made it so easy any fool can do it. Whether any fool is going to make much money doing doing it, is still to be decided. So far it looks like they will be sending traffic for PR to take a slice out of before selling it onwards. Long term will tell whether this plan works for those participating. All we do know is selling memberships off this traffic doesn't work very well.

So now ST23 put the case for Tubes and the benefits they have brought the industry. Or anyone else and please no stupid one line replies of abuse. I know that's the level of some, but there must be some intelligent repliers here.

So the case for Tubes.

(A) They are dead easy to put up or get someone else's pre-made Tube and use that.

(B) Dead easy to submit content to.

(C) Dead easy to say an unknown uploader uploaded pirated content.

(D) Allows you to give away tons of free porn for very little cost and sell ad space or traffic.

(E) FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IT'S THE ONLY GAME LEFT IN TOWN. :thumbsup

Now that will be a nice in for all the trolls to tell me how they are making $1,000s everyday by blogging or their Tubes convert 1-100. And not provide a link or a clue if it's true. :1orglaugh

I rest my case.

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