200 Ann Summers Parties.

So counter my points one by one or in one post.

This is to Mike.

Comparing Xhamster with the 2 companies I told you about is foolish.


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Yes I see what he means. At least Beate Uhste have shares and we know who they are. How does anyone compare a company like this.

http://xhamster.com/terms.php

When it says this on the search. http://www.companysearchesmadesimple...20media%20ltd/

Maybe Xhamster do make $110 million a year. But no one knows and the odds are slim.

True, and I'm really trying hard to find out how much they make. Also true that even though they get over 100mil visitors/day, they pay $2/1000 visitors that they don't bring in themselves..

Even so, comparing real stores to online porn is completely different. I guarantee that online porn sales for both big companies and affiliates would be huge even today if surfers had a quick and easy way to pay with cash..

Also, I do agree that the free porn module is killing the business and if I could still promote with censored images to a join page or just join/landing pages alone along with good selling text I would. But every single day I have to keep up on what's new so that I'm not relying on saved money to cover expenses..

Comparing the returns on 1000 uniques is the way to the answer. We hear 1-500 clicks on a banner lots of times. If very unique clicked once on a banner that would be $70 per 1000 people per month or what ever people want to say a unique is.

We all know the real figure is more likely to be 1-10 uniques clicking on a banner. "Which brings it down to $7 per 1000 people per month. As no one will tell us what the return is on uniques we have to go by Pimproll's Tube stats. They were so awful they are giving up the idea of selling porn site memberships and selling the traffic.

typical of traffic or just their traffic and Tube?

Why is it completely different? This has been the cry for years. Shops and Internet are only a delivery vehicle. Nothing more.

Wishing for something you don't have and unlikely to have is my job. I wish for the ban of all online porn. Neither will happen.

I knew it killed magazines sales, saw it hurting video and cable. Still never imagined that sites like Porn.com and PH would be giving away the milk to sell some people a cookie. And then be lauded as great.

The problem is the trend and no one has told us that yet.

Are the returns per 1,000 the same today as they were last year? We all know surfers are not a bottomless pit. We compensated for poorer ratios with more traffic. Then hit the wall of the new good traffic that keeping up with the losses. Is that repeating itself?

You keep banging on about this but where is your proof?

What about the growth of Mens Mags that with better photography and better looking girls, articles appealing to men, did not they blow the tired boring porn mags out of the water?


I see the mags are still for sale.

http://www.thedrum.co.uk/uploads/new...aster.nuts.jpg


http://www.theoryhead.com/gender/ger-max.jpg
http://www.gomonews.com/wp-content/u...vril_maxim.jpg

Better photography and Girls

True, quality sells. Try and put some into your work.

Mike, while out walking I was thinking about your post and if there's a way to make a mathematical equation on the value of online Tube porn and therefore online porn.]

Taking A as being the numbers of surfers, B the conversion rate of surfer to link clicks, C the value of the traffic. Maybe someone with a more analytical mind would have different ideas of what to factor in, still is it possible?

So many talk about the millions of surfers, ultimately millions of surfers cost money if they don't turn into millions of $$$$. With Pornhub we had Fabian saying he has 20 million a day. The same 20 million or a mix of the same 100 million? Can't be 20 million new people every day.

Taking Pimproll's stats and the price of traffic. 20 million wouldn't make a lot of money. It will make some but not a lot. Is their traffic typical of today? No one questioned the conversion to banner hits and not one questioned the conversions on the join page.

At that rate PH have to be doing a lot better. Still is it possible to make the calculation based on the evidence we have. Because pointing at a company and saying "They do well, because they have loads of traffic." Is a far worse way of calculating, which is ST23's and so many others reasoning.

Good lord, this stupidity is now officially almost too painful to read.

So fuck off and don't read it.

I stopped watching comedy central and just read what Paul has to say for a good laugh :thumbsup

like listening to a retard in a line up at the grocery store explain in detail his plan to discover free energy.

I can't help it. Its like watching a drunk 3rd grader attempt to solve a calculus problem. Its painful to watch, but amusing for some reason.

Every time you talk, you just reinforce the point that you know absolutely nothing about traffic or business online for that matter and lack even the most basic common sense of a young adult. You keep trying to paint a black and white picture of what are actually fairly complex and multifaceted problems which you so clearly understand nothing about. For example, as has been pointed out to you many many times... all traffic is not equal. All sites traffic is not equal. One sites traffic is not the same as another sites traffic. All visitors looking for certain content types are not equal. All site visitors are not equal (not to mention a good % not even of legal age to own a credit card). A new visitor is not the same as a returning visitor. etc etc etc etc etc... but you can't seem to wrap your little pea brain around these obvious facts which everyone understands to be self evident.

There are countless factors that account for declining conversions over the years. Of course, you just fixate on one, because you need to blame something that everyone can agree on to account for your spectacular crash and burn and forced retirement from adult.

You're little more than a narcissistic megalomaniac with a low IQ. You need to be heard.. but won't listen. You need to be understood, but refuse to understand. You need to lecture, but won't be lectured. You need to teach, but can't be taught. That's why you are a failure. That's why you are sitting on 30 years of content that you can't make shit with other than random content sales by people who are looking for cheap filler content for throwaway sites.


But hey, who am i? Maybe you can explain to Roald that there's no money in free porn... i'm sure he's well aware of that fact and will get on board with you. Maybe ask him why you can't make any money from the terabytes of porn in your possession and he can make so much money from other peoples free content. ... actually, keep living off the government and on a budget. Why tempt fate by for once, not being an arrogant dickhead that thinks he knows everything and actually start making real money in porn?

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Keep saying my name Paul. Nobody knows shit about me but the all know I understand traffic, conversions and the intricacies of a site better than you.

Instructions a first grader would understand.

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You're spot on, no one knows shit about you. I was good at shooting and selling porn, never had to learn how to dump 1,000s onto a free site to get 1 to buy. Good for you.

ST23 stop making excuses for losing the debate, it's starting to sound weak. You can answer 1 at a time if you like. With single line rebuttals. You're just scared.

paul one simple question: back when you were trying to start your failed tgps and paysites why did you think those ratios normal, or something to be desired?

(A) Did the introduction of porn Tubes led to more money spent for online porn?
The answer is a clear no. Since 2008 we have seen more sites close, cut out affiliates, look for ways to not pay affiliates. Then site owners, sponsors, affiliates, designers and others leave the business. No doubt for a few, Tubes have been good, for the industry as a whole they have been bad.

One point, no wall of text. How long will we wait and will it be a rebuttal or refusal?

Most sites that closed had no business being open in the first place. Run by dinosaurs only a little luckier than you that started when you could put shit content on a shit site and get sales. Now you actually have to keep your customer happy, just like any other maturing business.

It led to more money spend on advertising....

I know that there are much better ways to market porn than tubes and massive traffic, which is why I mostly do niche/micro niche blogging to compete with tubes to get people that are really into their niche or to catch them with thousands of longtails (I didn't mention this before, but it's any search of say 4 or more keywords) before they get on a tube..

I just like to argue random bs because that's how I learn :winkwink:

in the early 20th century there were hundreds of small car manufacturers and many did good business. but only a few managed to develop and grow while others fell behind and died.

today there are less car companies than ever who sell more cars than ever.

even though public transportation is better than ever too.

and sometimes cars get stolen or people dont buy a ticket for the bus

Any support for this claim?

No?

haha.. who'd have guessed?!

Do you have any idea at all what spending is for online porn in the year 2012? 1998? Of course not. You're just making shit up to rationalize your own failure.

It's going to be a funny day when Paul realizes tubes are the same as magazines.

Both rely on selling subscriptions and advertising to survive.

unlike others i'll refrain from adding personal insults but i agree that you're just pulling this out of your rear end :winkwink:

More advertising withing the industry doesn't = more money in the industry. Especially if you give away the mainstay of the porn industry for free.

All the sites closing will be happy to hear that. Still does it mean more money being spent online?

(A) Did the introduction of porn Tubes led to more money spent for online porn?

So every one making less money in 2012 is doing so because they are not good enough. Where has the money they were spending gone to?

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This thread is amusing.

And your evidence is?

In truth Mike no one but the big card processors know if there's more money spent on online porn today than in 2007/8. All we have is indicators.

Lots of good sites are suffering, not just the poor sites as ST claims. The problem is few will come onto a board and publicly announce it, it's all show. Tell people you're doing great and affiliates send traffic. Tell them you're doing bad and they don't.

Pimproll are trying to make money by giving away porn they paid for, to sell the traffic it generates. The prime porn domain of porn.com is now a Tube site. Because a Tube site makes more money that a paysite? Of course. Why is the question.

ST's answer is something that always happens, the weak get cut out. Now we are seeing the PR turning to running a Tube site. Were they one of the weak? Were those whooping over the returns on their traffic to that site strong or weak?

as good as yours - just that my numbers support my assumption

That's it, we're all relying on anecdotal evidence. Mine is from the closing and slowing down of boards, the cost of advertising on them, the number of shooters struggling to get work or left the business, the affiliates who are saying the good times are over, those who have given up and left, sites and sponsors saying it's not as good as it was.

When this is not met with complete disbelief;

I see an industry that isn't doing as well as in the past. In the past he would of been making some money. Today it's "rubbish traffic" which means people consuming porn and not buying. :Oh crap

My figures after over 3 years of being out of the business are better than any would of expected.

Get a life. Seriously

yes, you know best :)

Very funny and accurate.

Well Stocktrader is arguing that the more porn you give away for free, the more money is spent on porn. He's got no facts, no indications and absolutely no logic to that stance. If he were right, we should all be giving a lot mare away for free.

Does it take much sense to see the flaws in his argument?

Maybe Mercedes and BMW should give away more free cars, to sell more. :upsidedow

Wasn't my argument at all you senile old coot. :1orglaugh

I didn't even show titties on my sites from 2001-2007/8 when I sold out Paul. But yes, I think more free porn is the answer.

You say porn sales are down, now do like you want everyone else to do about common sense shit and PROVE IT.

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Maybe you should take your 30+ years of experience and all your content and FINALLY show everyone how its done?

What?

Oh... you can't?


Hmm....


weird.

I'm really sorry you can't sell uninspired pictures of a teen girl in a fake room filled with cheesy props for $3000 in 2012.

Hey look it's Christmas, see the tinsel and two presents?!

http://www.bargainbasementcontent.co...31e3b284660b11

Paul Markham - There is nothing wrong with the tube model. Seems it was.

So prove there's nothing wrong with giving away so much free porn the need to buy is reduced. If I have to prove the obvious, then it's a waste of time.

Those cheesy sets were selling for $3,000 in 1990 to 2007 that's why I can sit here and laugh at you. Who sold you site to sell traffic, because free porn meant more porn sales. :upsidedow :1orglaugh

So everyone should rush out, turn their sites into free tubes and see their income grow. :1orglaugh

Prove it.

You are absolutely a certified idiot. Nobody gives a shit that you can sell decades worth of work for $3000 a pop to people throwing up cookie cutter sites when getting credit cards by lying was easy business. I sold my basic services for $5000 a pop from 2001 to 2007 so I'm not even impressed, laugh away.

I sold nothing to sell traffic you donkey. I opened an offline business that I ran for three years and still own to this day. Free porn is irrelevant, there is nothing wrong with the tube model as said in my very first fucking post. There isn't, you not liking it won't change that.

There is nothing wrong with the tube model.

Cheers Paul.

So who placed an order pretending to be Paul? :1orglaugh

paul markham

no traffic

no sales

and unsellable shit 80's content

good stuff paul

8am here I will grab an iced coffee and see how much money I made in my sleep

you have a cup of tea and ponder how pathetic your situation is :1orglaugh

Note to self.

Don't argue with failures. They have to hang on to what's left.

Just quoting the post Paul skipped over because he realizes it's true... :2 cents:

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18749266&postcount=35

Says it all. http://www.handsfreeadult.com/special-offer/

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/st1.jpg

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/st2.jpg

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/st3.jpg

He's trying to con newbies he's a playa and making money. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Proof or ban.


Love how you screenshot something that is clearly linked in my signature btw.

Idiot. :thumbsup

Paul, those blurry 160x120 webcam images look better than any content you've ever shot. How does that feel? :1orglaugh