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The rise in price will not happen over night but the quality of legal tubes is certain to decline. Content producers will have a better angle in selling their content again. BIg tubes will be on glass legs so to speak, basic laws of economy apply to everything and when you take the "safe and easy file sharing" out of the game, the price must go up.... |
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None of that is important any more though. Albums with themes? Come on, prog rock died for a reason. Mic-ing up drums? That's really not hard. And who cares about cover art when it's on an iPhone screen? The days of gatefold Yes albums are done with. Quote:
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How is charging 30% even vaguely similar? And google and ms aren't really in this game, are they? |
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SEO I can see but that's something anyone with a big site would be doing anyhow. I really don't see the tubes buying tons of traffic but if they are the legality of their videos wouldn't change any of that.
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Point: We have great conversions on PornerBros, even if we give content for free and stay legal.
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many tubes have programs like this now webmaster.drtuber.com |
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the one thing you keep ignoring is the record company take 95% of the money from the sale. so to make the same number you only have to get an audience 1/20th as big. That makes all the difference in the world, you don't have to get anywhere as close In fact you can make way more money, giving your shit away for free, using mega uploads advertising sharing programs then you could 1. It way easier to give away a song then it is to sell it 2. you don't have to give 95% to the record company. Quote:
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To see if their fans will fund them to the same level So far not one single artist has every gotten more from the record company. Now these people know how to do a crowdfunding campaign properly so that may be an anomaly |
would kreayshawn raise a million on kickstarter? doubt it.
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gideon stick to talking about music promotion it's more interesting then when you talk about fair use.
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Even though it didn't turn a profit until 6.5 years after it left the theaters. Quote:
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Okay, so this thread has deteroriated nicely I see....
Carry on. |
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now add the record companies piece and the artist together and then look at the number for sites last.fm you basically need 8140 people to add you daily playlist and listen to you at work to earn minimum wage. And that assuming that the playlist is so huge that they can't get thru it in a 8 hour work day. If they only have 2-3 hours that like 1/4 that number. |
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no denying the hollywood system made kevin smith a very wealthy and famous man. he may be suffering now, but his movies are awful lately. |
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his speaking tour nets him 20k a night before he records them sells the dvd/cd /smod cast. http://livefrombehind.com/ you can bet he will make more money from this one day showing that he made from any other movie he ever shot. |
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wait. you actually think he commands 20 grand a night because of his podcast. like i said. delusional. :2 cents:
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yes you did In a thread complaining about hollywood account i said Quote:
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that movie made a profit. you denied it. the end.
in your very idiosyncratic worldview worldview no one has ever made money from the traditional hollywood system. that is just simply false. |
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I talk about how he complained about Hollywood accounting causing clerks to "lose money" for the 6.5 years it was money losing film and you misrepresent that into a statement that it never made money every. now your doing the same thing again I address your bullshit "he may be suffering now" by proving he is making MORE money now with his tours. And you try and misrepresent that into the statement that i am claiming he did it solely with the pod cast. And it had nothing to do with the base of fans he had. He started with his small movie base, used that to do a Q&A tour to colleges for travel money and per Diem. And built up to getting 20k per showing. Here is the fact more people have watched his story about a script that didn't even see the light of day Quote:
that's a fact. He made more money bitching about cop out on his speaking tour then he made from making that movie. (it one of the jokes he tells in the speaking tour). that's a fact. he makes more money talking about his failures than he ever made MAKING his successes. |
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The problem with porn is the mindset of people. Some still think giving away the product is the best way to sell it, or sell the traffic to sectors who don't buy content or pay for it to be bought. Like Coke do when they spend on advertising. Which is the flaw in St23 argument, currently he pays $0 for the content getting him traffic. If the amount of pirated content falls, he might end up paying more for traffic. Because with fewer legal suppliers and no competition from pirates. The price might go up. The selling price isn't always governed by the cost, it is always governed by the willingness to pay. Can he compete in a higher priced market place? SOPA isn't dead Damian, it's shelved. There's an election coming up and people are listening to voters. After the election expect SOPA to be resurrected. |
hollywood made him famous and thus able to get the money he makes now on tour. fact.
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so explain this Why didn't he start at the 20k level. maybe 5k per show is from his hollywood career the rest is from his network of fans. |
what level he start at then?
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he got paid shit all, he did it for free at first, paying the cost of hotel and transportation out of his own pocket. he did because he wanted to give back. his Q&A part was less than 15 minutes of the lecture friends from one school would tell their friends at other schools to ask him questions like the superman story and it slowly morphed into nothing but Q&A no lecture at all. his rates went up the more he stopped teaching from his Hollywood successes and talked about the crazy failures he had. The running joke he tells is that he makes more money from his failures then he does from what Hollywood pays him for his greatest success. The maximum portion of his current speaking gigs that you could attribute to his Hollywood success would be 25%. Since most of those stories include lot of behind the scenes self deprecating humor about his experience That would be an insane stretch. |
you are interesting because you have created an alternate file sharing based reality. it has it's own events, narrative and history. it's own heroes and villains. it's own internal logic. of course it is only very slightly tethered to objective reality, but don't let that stop you man!
it almost reminds me of the worlds created by some schizophrenic artists. you should write your worldview down in a book. would make interesting study for some psychology ph d student. |
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1) Tv is not free you either watch the commercials or pay per view or similar. 2) The cheaper it costs for you to watch TV the crappier the content 3) I have 1000 free channels I watch 2 (discovery 1 and 2) and they are part of a more expensive package with my cable operator, I do in fact pay "membership" to watch and my cable operator pays the disovery channel for royalties. 4)The biggest shows and movies appear on expensive TV first and on cheap TV stations years later...even years later they are paid for. |
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so the guy who claims Kevin smith earns 20k per speaking engagement because hollywood made him famous enough to deserve such a fee but simultaneously fails to explain why he wasn't getting paid 20k in the beginning is accusing me me of making up an alternative reality :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh |
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We all know a huge number of us are on Cable or Satellite channels. That the cost of the ad space pays for the free channels or in the UK it's a license charge. That even the big movies on HBO are on channels that are charged on top of the normal Cable charge. Except him. his Mum pays the bills. :1orglaugh |
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Supz is a fool if he thinks otherwise and just proved it. Damian seems you are right, I never saw the latest news. Another act will come. Quote:
If that unused domain was redirecting to where you will be selling traffic, it would make more for the affiliate. Cutting you in means another person taking a slice. That will pay for your Tube. Go find out why your join page was losing 99.66% of the people on it and you might make more. You're just a sign of the times, people clutching straws. |
i like pubes... :2 cents:
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Funny stuff... it ultimately becomes a heated debate with the one guy who sucks at everything internet related, has never had traffic or sales and continually demonstrates that he knows nothing about either... and another lunatic who's not even in the business at all.
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What exactly do you do? Except bump my thread or threads I post in and then allow me to bump them again? |
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Besides what difference does it make? Does it make you less retarded to know what I do? Does it make you more correct in your impossibly flawed analogies and outright wrong analysis of things you know absolutely nothing about? You're just a washed up windbag, who's now living on multiple government pensions in his twilight years, trying to compensate for a life of less than mediocre success by incessantly posting about things you know nothing about ... never understanding that the only value you bring to any conversation is little more than perverse amusement, like watching you drive a speeding car through a crowded Sunday market mowing down pedestrians while you are babbling about the future of driving, driving rules, safe driving, drivers licenses and so on. No one here thinks you're intelligent or have anything to offer apart from a couple of other equally retarded brits and a fist full of people who are new to the biz. Not that anything I say will matter.. this whole board has been calling you a dipshit for many years now and you still don't get it or understand why. :2 cents: |
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You so clearly have absolutely no clue what the point of this hostedtube program is. Go find out why you don't know how to make sales and you might make sense one day. |
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No the whole of this board hasn't been calling me a dipshit. Just mostly loser trolls like you. Who I wasn't very impressed with what you had to offer. You didn't likeme, your assistant didn't like me, you thought I was a crap shooter. Yet you hung around me all day and then in the evening. Even when I turned the TV on to watch soccer you were to stupid to get the message. I'm not interested in your offer to shoot cheap sets of girls, to give you one of my shooters, cameras, lights, studio to earn pennies. And please. It's time you got the message AND FUCKED OFF BACK TO YOUR HOTEL. Or were you hanging on for more pasta? :1orglaugh Being polite to Eva is a lame excuse, about as lame as you were flying girls from Russia where they worked on webcam. For me to shoot cheap sets of while you rent an apartment to put them up in. Because shooting solo girl is illegal in Russia and webcam is legal? For someone who knows nothing. I knew you were not worth playing nice to. |
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I DONīT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH SO MUCH MONEY! |
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You've been broke and begged for money on this very forum You're wife had to stop shooting and take a job cleaning to support you Once the industry matured, you were left behind and failed You've said your best year was 70k or so profit I've been to your shitty studio I've been to your little house We've all watched every venture/site you have fail except your content store No one here is thinking "wow, Paul is brilliant and he must be a millionaire" People are thinking "wow, this guy is so dumb, every word he types brings down the collective IQ of the entire industry" :2 cents: |
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streaming music can pay chicken feed because it per listen not per purchase. Maximizing streaming service playlist is an incredibly easy way for an independent artist to make money. 8000 people adding a song to the playlist and listening to in at work is not hard to do. why because once you got them they stick around for a long time. |
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