Filesharing sites - closure will make little difference to porn sales

[longdongsilver]

Filesharing sites - closure will make little difference to porn sales.

I'm glad they are closing down but mostly they are used for warez, mainstream movies and series.

If you ask 100 people in the street how they access their porn then 90 will quote one of the large tube sites.

So if all filesharing sites are closed for good then i guess maybe a 10% increase in porn sales max.

Go ahead and ask, i do all of the time. Always the tubes are mentioned. I have yet to ask anyone who answers filesonic or megupload etc. Always youjizz, pornhub, redtube, youporn etc etc.

It's a good start but not of much help really.

[DWB]

I don't disagree with that.

Literally ALL of my friends get their porn from tubes, as do I. Don't think closing file lockers will have a big impact on porn, but if they all close down it may have some impact, though probably small.

In addition to all the free porn out there you still have the economy to deal with in addition to the amount of legal free porn that's out there that won't go away. Piracy is just a spoke in the wheel.

[raymor]

Originally Posted by longdongsilver

If you ask 100 people in the street how they access their porn then 90 will quote one of the large tube sites.

So if all filesharing sites are closed for good then i guess maybe a 10% increase in porn sales max.

Go ahead and ask, i do all of the time.

Probably true. Also:

a) a 10% increase in your revenue for the next five years is what, $50,000 total? I don't mind an extra $50,000.

b) Do you think the guys at pornhub have taken notice that days after the megaupload bust, two people just got sentenced to prison for running a "file sharing" site with rampant copyright violations? I bet the big tubes are busy making sure they aren't next, pricing content.

[Slappin Fish]

I searched all the major tubes for Thai and S.E Asia content, apart from sponsor uploaded promo vids there was some amateur content... but no more than a dozen pirated scenes.

On Cyberlockers I found pretty much complete scenes from every site I could think of.

Those with a fetish for asian (or any other niche) won't be satisfied long with a dozen videos on tubes. If they can't download it, they'll buy it.

[CPAK]

Filesharing porn = Full HD quality , no ads porn
Tube porn = Poor quality, with tons of ads

On tube sites people still have some little motivation to buy an access to the paysites.

[SmutHammer]

It does make a difference, reason being is that, tubes will now get their shit together and go legit.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

It does make a difference, reason being is that, tubes will now get their shit together and go legit.

Either that or the odds are soon enough they'll be joining Fat Bastard in prison.

[Phoenix]

tube quality is garbage though...i just look at our product to compare and they dont at all.

People will pay for quality.
This is a marketable meme right now. The File stealing sites are going down. Come get Legallly obtained Videos etc etc
the public is reading the news

[Dirty Dane]

You ask 100 random people in the street all the time if they surf porn tubes or visit filesharing sites? I'm impressed

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

You ask 100 random people in the street all the time if they surf porn tubes or visit filesharing sites? I'm impressed

And the top answer was? Paulmarkhamteens.com



Well actually it wasn't. But it shows where the traffic is.

[Splum]

LOL keep dreaming, closing down lockers and cloud services will have ZERO positive effect on sales, as a matter of fact I will bet your sales continue to slowly decline like they have been fore years.

[MakingItPay]

So what? Would be nice to create content that isn't immediately stolen and shared. This is a very welcome turn of events for content creators. I know it sucks for thieves, but they will be okay I think.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by MakingItPay

So what? Would be nice to create content that isn't immediately stolen and shared. This is a very welcome turn of events for content creators. I know it sucks for thieves, but they will be okay I think.

LOL "make content" you guys buy it from other people and even when you do create "art" it is overvalued as you think you should charge 19.95 a month, really? LOL

[klinton]

Originally Posted by raymor

b) Do you think the guys at pornhub have taken notice that days after the megaupload bust, two people just got sentenced to prison for running a "file sharing" site with rampant copyright violations? I bet the big tubes are busy making sure they aren't next, pricing content.

it may be true, I got some email from tube that I submitted to with request for proof that content is not stolen....
this is the first email like that for me ;]

[MakingItPay]

I can charge what the market will handle. The marketplace determines the price. I don't buy content The market is stronger when you can't get what you are selling for free. Simple economics. I know this is a sad day for users of file lockers. You are allowed to mourn and I can celebrate a little victory in the battle for ownership of what I create. LOL

[mafia_man]

The difference between tubes and lockers is that when you sign up for a tube you aren't getting content from almost every site on the internet.

It's also a different type of customer. If you're using a locker then you are patient enough to wait for the download. Tubes differ as being more on demand than lockers. Locker users tend to want high quality porn and are willing to wait. They're collectors and ripping tube FLVs is unlikely to suffice.

Finally so what if locker users move to tubes. Tubes never offered really offered pirated content to premium users, they offer licensed stuff and as long as the license is being paid then so what. Also the more locker users than become free users at tubes is likely to cripple their bandwidth. Ad revenue doesn't cover tubes bandwidth bills. Sale rates on premium tubes are shit.

[Barefootsies]

While some are closing, it would appear many others are staying online. They are just blocking out certain countries access. Whoopie fucking doo. Get yourself a VPN and it appears that 'some' (not all) are still available.

Time will tell on how all of this shakes out in the end.

[porno jew]

seaporn.org

[MakingItPay]

Every little extra step it takes to see stolen goods is nice. Most people aren't savvy enough to know what VPN is. Their market just got smaller. And this little trend is only days old. I like it.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by CPAK

Filesharing porn = Full HD quality , no ads porn
Tube porn = Poor quality, with tons of ads

On tube sites people still have some little motivation to buy an access to the paysites.

The surfer in me says that video quality doesn't matter --as long as its somewhat viewable.

Quality of the girl and what happens in the scene matters 10 times more. I'll watch a crappy video of a hot girl in a good scene, as opposed to hi res, crystal clear, run of the mill junk that most porn is.

[iSpyCams]

Pretty sure tube uploaders are getting their stuff from file lockers. So, it will make a difference maybe just not right away.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by bronco67

The surfer in me says that video quality doesn't matter --as long as its somewhat viewable.

Quality of the girl and what happens in the scene matters 10 times more.

That does not speak for all surfers however, myself included.

If I see a scene I like on some tube doing a random search, I will actually seek out where that content came from. Which is why watermarks are so important. Sadly, you can't find the scene that is 'hitting the spot' 90% of the time. Which result in lost sales for whomever the producer was.

Perhaps in mainstream porn you can jerk off to any teen skeezer and dick and balls flying in the scene. But more often than not with fetish as an example, you want to see more of a girl and will assume there is more on the source site.

If something hits the spot, you want more of that. Not just a bunch of random stuff. Perhaps it is something that comes with niches, fetish, or age. But general porn just does not hit the spot like when you are 18.

[MarkDeus]

Originally Posted by CPAK

Filesharing porn = Full HD quality , no ads porn
Tube porn = Poor quality, with tons of ads

On tube sites people still have some little motivation to buy an access to the paysites.

You have to think "impulsive", which is reflected in 99% of guys(invented statistic, but you know where I'm going"). When a guy has to jerk off, he won't wait 20minutes or more downloading an HD vid from a file locker. he wants to do it now.

That's where tubes provide.


As for the rest of you. Try not to hit tubes indiscriminately. Some of them are legit. *cough* Pornerbros *cough*

[martinsc]

Can't wait to see what happens next... besides the fucking up of our biz, I'm really interested to see what will happen ...
will a new file sharing system rise? will torrents pick up? newsgroups?

[The Ghost]

File hosts are a HUGE source for stolen tube movies. I see a direct correlation between the movies of ours that are on file hosts and what show up on tubes.


Cut off the source, cut down on theft. Pretty simple if you ask me.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Splum

LOL keep dreaming, closing down lockers and cloud services will have ZERO positive effect on sales, as a matter of fact I will bet your sales continue to slowly decline like they have been fore years.

Originally Posted by Splum

LOL "make content" you guys buy it from other people and even when you do create "art" it is overvalued as you think you should charge 19.95 a month, really? LOL

You're singing my song. The hard truth is 90%, I just made it up like PB, of sites have nothing but conveyor belt porn. Little imagination, budget or skills used. Porn buyers are repeat buyers, well they should be, they've joined sites before and found what's inside might be wide screen HD, still it's still trash. Tubes offer something else, click and browse till you find the stuff you like. Jerk off and go. Surfers choose Tubes for more reasons than it being free.

Those who will really benefit from a closure of file lockers, are the guys with something worth buying that a crappy flv won't suffice or supply the same or similar.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

While some are closing, it would appear many others are staying online. They are just blocking out certain countries access. Whoopie fucking doo. Get yourself a VPN and it appears that 'some' (not all) are still available.

Time will tell on how all of this shakes out in the end.

Blocking US traffic will hurt them a lot.

Originally Posted by bronco67

The surfer in me says that video quality doesn't matter --as long as its somewhat viewable.

Quality of the girl and what happens in the scene matters 10 times more. I'll watch a crappy video of a hot girl in a good scene, as opposed to hi res, crystal clear, run of the mill junk that most porn is.

And a high res quality scene will get members in and keep them in.

Originally Posted by PornerBros

You have to think "impulsive", which is reflected in 99% of guys(invented statistic, but you know where I'm going"). When a guy has to jerk off, he won't wait 20minutes or more downloading an HD vid from a file locker. he wants to do it now.

That's where tubes provide.

As for the rest of you. Try not to hit tubes indiscriminately. Some of them are legit. *cough* Pornerbros *cough*

The porn buyer isn't some aimless person strolling down a street once every 5 weeks. He's a guy who likes jerking off to his favorite niche/style. He might find a sample he likes free on a Tube, jerk off. Then go to a file locker to download the whole site. While he's watching the football on TV.

It's like a wine drinker, he doesn't just decide he would like a bottle of wine tonight and go to the shops. He has a selection at home for when he wants a bottle.

Your guy isn't going to get pass a Tube site these days. That's why Tube convert so badly. 500 enjoy, 1 clicks and buys. So 99.5% of your guys on Tubes, don't go any further.

I would suspect it's far far higher. Maybe 95% don't click a link. That stat came from PR tube stats, the general picture was 1-19/20 were clicking the links, where the sales ratio was poor.