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NoCarrier · 02-05-2003, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by wonton
I have only three things to say about Powell's "Evidence":

Bullshit
Bullshit
Bullshit

Back in Auguest they tried to make a case for invasion on the premise that Saddam had kicked out inspectors way back in 1998 and now needed to be dealt with. That didn't stick. So then the US aggressively lobbied for a new resolution calling for a return of inspectors, thinking that Saddam would not let them back in the country. He did. So then they said that Iraq was not complying with inpections. That didn't stick. Then they said that even if Iraq is complying, Iraq must bear the burden of proof and prove they have no WMD. That didn't stick. So now they are finally saying "Hey look! There's Al-Qaeda!".

Can you spell BULLSHIT?

If the terrorist angle doesn't stick the next thing the administration will say is that Saddam forced the two McDonalds in Baghdad to stop offering Big Macs. Fuck, let's invade!!!

Bulllshit. We want the oil and want to control the region. That's it. That's all.

You are the kind of idiotic septic people that won't believe anything even if we show you the facts. You read a couple of editorials and that makes you an international analyst.

Saddam Hussein would launch an attack with his WMD and you would still not believe it.

I usually respect everyone's opinion, and never try to use insults wich usually kills any arguments in a discussion, but you are truly an idiot.

sexysphere · 02-05-2003, 01:24 PM

War is not the solution, USA hasnt really fuond anything from now.

ChrisH · 02-05-2003, 01:24 PM

What is VERY interesting to note is that until 8 or 9 months ago Powell was against any millitary action in Iraq. His view has changed quickly in the last few months starting with Iraqs bullshit disclosure.

Like I said before, if the inspectors were kidnapped tomorrow. Most of the world would deny it and blame the US.

ChrisH · 02-05-2003, 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by sexysphere
War is not the solution, USA hasnt really fuond anything from now.

Kind of hard to find things when they are moving them around the country on trucks.

But you don't beleive that so what's the point.

drew · 02-05-2003, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by sexysphere
War is not the solution, USA hasnt really fuond anything from now.

You are from France

wonton · 02-05-2003, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier

You are the kind of idiotic septical people that won't believe anything even if we show you the facts. You read a couple of editorials and that makes you an international analyst.

Saddam Hussein would launch an attack with his WMD and you would still not believe it.

I usually respect everyone's opinion, and never try to use insults wich usually kills any arguments in a discussion, but you are truly an idiot.

Wrong! The difference is that I am informed. You are clearly not. Anyone who gets their geopolitical information from CNN or ABC 30 second soundbits does not have a clue what is really going on. You are being lied to and if you want to believe those lies that is your problem. You are like the Soviet citizen circa 1973 who proudly waves a copy of the state run newspaper, Pravda, and proclaims it to be truth. Entire populations CAN be duped by the powers that be. It has happened all throughout history and is happening again today.

Spend at least two solid years reading every book you can find on the CIA, NSA, Wall Street, the media and the military. Until you do that, you, like so many others, are just lemmings blindly following the leader and heading toward the cliff.

Government, Media and Military are ONE in this country. The only difference between America 2003 and the Soviet Union circa 1973 is that at least the Soviets knew the government was producing the news. Most Americans don't even get that much.

Big Monkie · 02-05-2003, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Ace-Ace
It's called track record. The US has a near flawless track record about presenting truthful information regarding these matters.

You cant possibly be serious. Politicians (bush, saddam, clinton, etc) would lie about their mommas if they thought it would benefit them. Not to mention cia operatives. Are you really that gullible? Do you remember when they said they had irrefutable evidence about bin laden/9-11? But they couldnt show us? Then when other countries demanded to see it, turned out it was a bunch of circumstantial stuff that wouldnt hold up 10 minutes in a court of law. Why do you think they announced the secret military tribunals instead of actual courts of law? Is it because they really dont have real substantial evidence? I dunno, but neither do you. I never said it was a lie, i dont really know and you dont either. I was simply saying there is plenty of room to doubt. Still, if a bunch of politicians start saying they know things but cant say, then when they do say its not verifiable, well........... But hey, you go right ahead and swallow whatever bush and his handlers say. Lets kill tens of thousands of innocent people to get one man and present only highly questionable evidence to justify it. Sure, thats gonna stop terrorism. Just trust the politicians. Really.

directfiesta · 02-05-2003, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by Ace-Ace
(depite you being one of those anti-American conpiracists...from what I can tell).

If I wish to document my self a little bit more, instead of just blindly accepting what is said as truth, do I also become a " anti-american conSpiracists" ?????

Mr.Fiction · 02-05-2003, 01:32 PM

Everyone accepts that the LA and NY police departments regularly make up and plant evidence and lie to get convictions, but suddenly some people are willing to believe anything and everything that the federal government says.

Interesting situation, no matter which side of the issue you are on.

drew · 02-05-2003, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by wonton

Wrong! The difference is that I am informed. You are clearly not. Anyone who gets their geopolitical information from CNN or ABC 30 second soundbits does not have a clue what is really going on. You are being lied to and if you want to believe those lies that is your problem. You are like the Soviet citizen circa 1973 who proudly waves a copy of the state run newspaper, Pravda, and proclaims it to be truth. Entire populations CAN be duped by the powers that be. It has happened all throughout history and is happening again today.

Spend at least two solid years reading every book you can find on the CIA, NSA, Wall Street, the media and the military. Until you do that, you, like so many others, are just lemmings blindly following the leader and heading toward the cliff.

Government, Media and Military are ONE in this country. The only difference between America 2003 and the Soviet Union circa 1973 is that at least the Soviets knew the government was producing the news. Most Americans don't even get that much.

Yes you are informed, and I am King of England

wonton · 02-05-2003, 01:35 PM

And as for "Terrorist Cells"...

Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Canada, Italy, Spain, UK and the United States have all been found to have active Al-Qaeda cells within their borders. Should the US invade itself and these other countries as well?

Yeeehaaa! Bombs Away!!

scooby doo as scooby does · 02-05-2003, 01:36 PM

What struck me about that report was that, despite the 'facts' (at least 1 or 2 were outright lies), despite the photos (a couple of many thousands prolly), despite the 'conversations' (again, prolly one or two of hundreds), he still couldn't point to anything specific.

It's all rumour, speculation and scaremongering for the couch potatoes. He still didn't actually report anything solid, nothing, nada!

OneHungLo · 02-05-2003, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by wonton
Bulllshit. We want the oil and want to control the region. That's it. That's all.

Jesus christ... do you really belive we are gonna roll in there and take all that oil?? You think Europe, Russia ect. wont get their fair share of this? get off the fucking oil bullshit.

Saddam is 21st century Hitler who rapes and tortures his own people. Could the people who post here that are against any attack against iraq atleast post some reasons why this guy should not be assasinated???

NoCarrier · 02-05-2003, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton
And as for "Terrorist Cells"...

Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Canada, Italy, Spain, UK and the United States have all been found to have active Al-Qaeda cells within their borders. Should the US invade itself and these other countries as well?

Yeeehaaa! Bombs Away!!

Do you seriously think that those countries would provide WMD to terrorist cells? Get your facts straight.

scooby doo as scooby does · 02-05-2003, 01:42 PM

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Saddam is 21st century Hitler who rapes and tortures his own people. Could the people who post here that are against any attack against iraq atleast post some reasons why this guy should not be assasinated???

I'm against the war. The USA/Inspectors have come up with jack-shit so far.

I am for Saddam, and (especially) that Uday son being assassinated.

They are not the same thing. In the former, 100's of thousands of innocents will die.

wonton · 02-05-2003, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier

Do you seriously think that those countries would provide WMD to terrorist cells? Get your facts straight.

Uhhh. Excuse me... Who do you think sold Iraq Anthrax, Ricin, Botulism, Sarin gas and a whole host of other chemical and biological agents? Who? Who?

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT'S WHO!!!

I suggest you look that up on the archives of ANY major news organization such as CNN, MSNBC, The New Yorks times. Even these media outlets at least admit as much.

It is YOU my lemming friend who needs to get his facts straight.

Big Monkie · 02-05-2003, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

If I wish to document my self a little bit more, instead of just blindly accepting what is said as truth, do I also become a " anti-american conSpiracists" ?????

Obviously you do. Bush has repeatedly said you are either with us or against us. And you know what he really means.

scooby doo as scooby does · 02-05-2003, 01:46 PM

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Bush has repeatedly said you are either with us or against us.

That's what Hitler said. (Not that I'm comparing a war-mad president to a madman).

wonton · 02-05-2003, 01:46 PM

And it is truly amazing how the American people can so easily fall under the illusion of Orwellian newspeak.

"Topple the Iraqi leader" really means "Invade a nation, kill 500,000 civlians and steal that nation's oil".

directfiesta · 02-05-2003, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by OneHungLo

post some reasons why this guy should not be assasinated???

Because you will replace him by worse. like you did in Chile ...
Your man: Pinochet!
Panama: Noriega
Nicaragua: Somoza

All great defensors of freedom ... lol

Sly_RJ · 02-05-2003, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Everyone accepts that the LA and NY police departments regularly make up and plant evidence and lie to get convictions, but suddenly some people are willing to believe anything and everything that the federal government says.

Interesting situation, no matter which side of the issue you are on.

Then there are those who refuse to consider any other possibilities, even when "facts" are presented before them. As you mentioned, interesting.

What I find more interesting is watching the opinions of several world leaders, and even members of this board, change over the past few months, weeks, and even hours. It's obvious people are not just staring at the TV screen and repeating what's said, they ARE actually thinking. If they weren't thinking, why would their opinions change so suddenly?

directfiesta · 02-05-2003, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by Big Monkie

Obviously you do. Bush has repeatedly said you are either with us or against us. And you know what he really means.

OK, lets all get lobotomy and follow Bush ...

Mr.Fiction · 02-05-2003, 01:50 PM

US claim dismissed by Blix

The chief UN weapons inspector yesterday dismissed what has been billed as a central claim of the speech the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, will make today to the UN security council.

Hans Blix said there was no evidence of mobile biological weapons laboratories or of Iraq trying to foil inspectors by moving equipment before his teams arrived.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...889135,00.html

Who to believe?

drew · 02-05-2003, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton

Uhhh. Excuse me... Who do you think sold Iraq Anthrax, Ricin, Botulism, Sarin gas and a whole host of other chemical and biological agents? Who? Who?

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT'S WHO!!!

I suggest you look that up on the archives of ANY major news organization such as CNN, MSNBC, The New Yorks times. Even these media outlets at least admit as much.

It is YOU my lemming friend who needs to get his facts straight.

Dont try to sound so important

directfiesta · 02-05-2003, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by Big Monkie

Obviously you do. Bush has repeatedly said you are either with us or against us. And you know what he really means.

This could also be said by Sadam Hussein....

Those words are of a dictator ...

Big Monkie · 02-05-2003, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by OneHungLo

Could the people who post here that are against any attack against iraq atleast post some reasons why this guy should not be assasinated???

If you would pay attention you might realize we arent talking about assasinating him. We are talking about INVADING and OCCUPYING an entire country, probably killing 10s of thousands of (relatively) innocent people. Then installing a puppet govt etc. All under the foolish notion (even if they arent lying) of fighting terrorism. But what nobody, especially bush, is talking about is how saddam (not to mention bin laden) got to be such problems. Can you say reagan/bush/cia boys and girls?

NoCarrier · 02-05-2003, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton

Uhhh. Excuse me... Who do you think sold Iraq Anthrax, Ricin, Botulism, Sarin gas and a whole host of other chemical and biological agents? Who? Who?

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT'S WHO!!!

I suggest you look that up on the archives of ANY major news organization such as CNN, MSNBC, The New Yorks times. Even these media outlets at least admit as much.

It is YOU my lemming friend who needs to get his facts straight.

YAWN!

I didn't ask you who made or sold anything to Iraq. You were asking a dumb question about why aren't we bombing other countries that have terrorists cells. I am asking you again, do you think that those countries would knowingly provide WMD by their government to those terrorists cells?

Who's the lemming now?

You of course.

drew · 02-05-2003, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

This could also be said by Sadam Hussein....

Those words are of a dictator ...

Just get over it, war is coming and there is nothing you can do about it. All this talk will not change a thing.

kenny · 02-05-2003, 02:03 PM

I think we should just leave Iraq alone. All that fake information was clearly a part of the top secert US plan to fool the world and take all the oil. Sadam is all about peace just follow up on his history. A guy like Sadam wouldnt associate with a terror organization such as Al Queda. This entire situation is nothing more then the secert evil american plan to take all the oil in the world. The whole world is being fooled by their fake ridiculous notions of threats from biological/chemical terror. I mean seriously why should they be concerned with that?

OneHungLo · 02-05-2003, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Big Monkie

If you would pay attention you might realize we arent talking about assasinating him. We are talking about INVADING and OCCUPYING an entire country, probably killing 10s of thousands of (relatively) innocent people. Then installing a puppet govt etc. All under the foolish notion (even if they arent lying) of fighting terrorism. But what nobody, especially bush, is talking about is how saddam (not to mention bin laden) got to be such problems. Can you say reagan/bush/cia boys and girls?

I am aware, i should have worded that differently but in any case if he isn't taken out thousands of those innocent people you are referring to will be murdered raped and tortured on a regular basis.

You don't think he will be able to build a nuke within 5 years if he is allowed to stay in power? Lets say he does get some and launches an attack on a neighboring country and turns this world upside down. The what will ya say then? oh shit ...we shoulda, coulda, woulda...by then its too late

Big Monkie · 02-05-2003, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier

Do you seriously think that those countries would provide WMD to terrorist cells? Get your facts straight.

You need to get YOUR facts straight. Its documented and well known that the usa/cia armed both saddam and bin laden when it seemed to be in their best interests. That includes gas that iraq used against iran. Why do you think the usa took out/censored 8000 pages from the 12000 page report iraq submitted to the un? Fortunately there was another copy and turns out those pages contained the names of numerous western corporations who were instrumental in their supply. Including haliburton, chaired by DICK CHENEY. Reminds one of how prescott bush (jrs grandpappy) got caught dealing with the nazis circa ww2. This kind of stuff doesnt make you at least a little suspicious?
By the way, after removing the 8000 pages of that report, the bush administration then announced the report was incomplete!

wonton · 02-05-2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier

YAWN!

I didn't ask you who made or sold anything to Iraq. You were asking a dumb question about why aren't we bombing other countries that have terrorists cells. I am asking you again, do you think that those countries would knowingly provide WMD by their government to those terrorists cells?

Who's the lemming now?

You of course.

Yes . Pakistan already has and we did not invade them since they are "supposedly" our allies. Pakistan sold chemical and biological agenst to the Taliban and Pakistani nuclear scientists were discovered to have given "dirty bomb" technology directly to Al-Qaeda.

So the anwer to your question is YES!

As for the US and their allegations against Iraq - the US supplied almost 90% of Saddam's WMD even as recently as the last 24 months!!!

We Armed Saddam!

Ace-Ace · 02-05-2003, 02:13 PM

My opinions and views seem to change a bit with each piece of "evidence" I see. And that does NOT consist of posts at "Guardian Unlimited" or by members of this board. There truely is a lack of knowledge by people on this board. You might want to educate yourselves on exactly what is at hand here, and what has happened in the past. You're blindly accepting "conSpiracist" theories that the US Government are the bad guys, and are "on the prowl to go get us some oil!!".

You can think what you want, but you're mixing two completely separate issues. The UN has pretty much come to an agreement that this is not about OIL or any of that (again, think what you want...the UN are a very intelligent group of people, it's not one huge conspiracy compromised of 180+ nations), it's about slowly removing the threat of terrorism.

Aside from regular retaliation bombings of Iraqi missile sites, the UN was not at all active in military action towards any of these countries. If you think that OIL is the main cause if this dispute, then why weren't we taking military action in 1994, 95, 96, 96, 97, 98, 99, 00? Because that IS NOT the issue. The issue is terrorism. The terrorist activities throughout the middle east, as well as the attacks on the US in September are simply the "last straw" for lack of better terminology. Steps are being taken to stop terrorism, and making sure WMD do not get in the hands of these people is one of these steps.

It is now proven, and factual that some of the higher ranking Al-Qaeda officers found refuge in Iraq (ohhh wait, nevermind, I guess the US Government fabricated those tapes, nevermind, my bad). Iraq is obviously in support of the Al-Qaeda network and WILL NOT hesitate to provide them with the necessary resources to carry out terrorist activites. Believe what you want, but the track record proves it all: Iraq will build lie upon lie to by themselves time and hopefully get out of the predicament they're currently in.

Big Monkie · 02-05-2003, 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by Yo Adrian

You're against war because you could lose $35? lol

Its about as good as any of the reasons we are being given.

mpegposter · 02-05-2003, 02:17 PM

http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2002/11/iraq2.shtml

Fletch XXX · 02-05-2003, 02:18 PM

Texas is the reason that the presidents dead!

Ace-Ace · 02-05-2003, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by mpegposter
http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2002/11/iraq2.shtml

Funny.

mpegposter · 02-05-2003, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by Ace-Ace
Funny.

It really got on my tits.

wonton · 02-05-2003, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by Ace-Ace
My opinions and views seem to change a bit with each piece of "evidence" I see. And that does NOT consist of posts at "Guardian Unlimited" or by members of this board. There truely is a lack of knowledge by people on this board. You might want to educate yourselves on exactly what is at hand here, and what has happened in the past. You're blindly accepting "conSpiracist" theories that the US Government are the bad guys, and are "on the prowl to go get us some oil!!".

You can think what you want, but you're mixing two completely separate issues. The UN has pretty much come to an agreement that this is not about OIL or any of that (again, think what you want...the UN are a very intelligent group of people, it's not one huge conspiracy compromised of 180+ nations), it's about slowly removing the threat of terrorism.

Aside from regular retaliation bombings of Iraqi missile sites, the UN was not at all active in military action towards any of these countries. If you think that OIL is the main cause if this dispute, then why weren't we taking military action in 1994, 95, 96, 96, 97, 98, 99, 00? Because that IS NOT the issue. The issue is terrorism. The terrorist activities throughout the middle east, as well as the attacks on the US in September are simply the "last straw" for lack of better terminology. Steps are being taken to stop terrorism, and making sure WMD do not get in the hands of these people is one of these steps.

It is now proven, and factual that some of the higher ranking Al-Quada officers found refuge in Iraq (ohhh wait, nevermind, I guess the US Government fabricated those tapes, nevermind, my bad). Iraq is obviously in support of the Al-Quada network and WILL NOT hesitate to provide them with the necessary resources to carry out terrorist activites. Believe what you want, but the track record proves it all: Iraq will build lie upon lie to by themselves time and hopefully get out of the predicament they're currently in.

First of all, it's "Al Qaeda" not "Al Quada". And secondly, Al Qaeda is a CIA creation.

directfiesta · 02-05-2003, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by drew

Just get over it, war is coming and there is nothing you can do about it. All this talk will not change a thing.

don't like it but in agreement....

iroc409 · 02-05-2003, 02:25 PM

yeah, i was driving down the main street of the city i live in, and i saw a bunch of anti-war protesters on the side of the road. ok, there were only 4 of them. had i saw them sooner, i'd have run them over. at least bumped them...

get a haricut, hippies!

kenny · 02-05-2003, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by wonton

First of all, it's "Al Qaeda" not "Al Quada". And secondly, Al Qaeda is a CIA creation.

Wow I always thought U followed Q but your right!

Ace-Ace · 02-05-2003, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by wonton

First of all, it's "Al Qaeda" not "Al Quada". And secondly, Al Qaeda is a CIA creation.

Corrected. CAI creation eh?

wonton · 02-05-2003, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Ace-Ace
Corrected. CAI creation eh?

Yes. Buy this tape. It will change the way you look at the world.

THE TRUTH & LIES OF 9/11

Ace-Ace · 02-05-2003, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by wonton

Yes. Buy this tape. It will change the way you look at the world.

THE TRUTH & LIES OF 9/11

Not too interested in wasting money and supporting uneducated conspiracists.

kenny · 02-05-2003, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Ace-Ace
Corrected. CIA creation eh?

Yeah, its all a part of the top secert plan to take all the oil in the world

wonton · 02-05-2003, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by Ace-Ace
Not too interested in wasting money and supporting uneducated conspiracists.

In other words you are not brave enough to risk challenging your worldview. Fair enough!

twistyneck · 02-05-2003, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by pornjudge

I will say this once more time - USA are after Iraqi oil & they want to control the price of oil in the middle east & europe.... Bush & Powell are the terrorist......

It has nothing to do with oil. It has to do with the recovery of alien technology. If Saddam Hussein can back engineer it before we can stop him, the world might be his. Try doing a little research before you shoot off your mouth.

http://english.pravda.ru/main/2003/01/31/42821.html

Ace-Ace · 02-05-2003, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by wonton

In other words you are not brave enough to risk challenging your worldview. Fair enough!

I'm a psychologist major, so I've learned to put myself in the idle position, and consider all view points, look at the pro's and con's of each, and take everything into consideration. I've thought a lot about all possible routes as far as this situation goes. I've 'challenged the worldview' in my own mind...yet the facts remain the same and the overall way things work is still pretty obvious.

jojojo · 02-05-2003, 02:35 PM

Fucking bomb Iraq already - I am tired of reading these stupid news articles on Yahoo and threads about this douche bag.

Saddam and his homies

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scooby doo as scooby does Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: A deep dark place. Posts: 314	What struck me about that report was that, despite the 'facts' (at least 1 or 2 were outright lies), despite the photos (a couple of many thousands prolly), despite the 'conversations' (again, prolly one or two of hundreds), he still couldn't point to anything specific. It's all rumour, speculation and scaremongering for the couch potatoes. He still didn't actually report anything solid, nothing, nada! __________________ In 1904, Charles Newman-Berry connected two abacus's together using specially enhanced GrapeVine thus inventing the first Internet connection. NEWMAN-BERRY CASH Paying webmaster since 1904

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Ace-Ace Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dayton, OH, USA Posts: 1,863	My opinions and views seem to change a bit with each piece of "evidence" I see. And that does NOT consist of posts at "Guardian Unlimited" or by members of this board. There truely is a lack of knowledge by people on this board. You might want to educate yourselves on exactly what is at hand here, and what has happened in the past. You're blindly accepting "conSpiracist" theories that the US Government are the bad guys, and are "on the prowl to go get us some oil!!". You can think what you want, but you're mixing two completely separate issues. The UN has pretty much come to an agreement that this is not about OIL or any of that (again, think what you want...the UN are a very intelligent group of people, it's not one huge conspiracy compromised of 180+ nations), it's about slowly removing the threat of terrorism. Aside from regular retaliation bombings of Iraqi missile sites, the UN was not at all active in military action towards any of these countries. If you think that OIL is the main cause if this dispute, then why weren't we taking military action in 1994, 95, 96, 96, 97, 98, 99, 00? Because that IS NOT the issue. The issue is terrorism. The terrorist activities throughout the middle east, as well as the attacks on the US in September are simply the "last straw" for lack of better terminology. Steps are being taken to stop terrorism, and making sure WMD do not get in the hands of these people is one of these steps. It is now proven, and factual that some of the higher ranking Al-Qaeda officers found refuge in Iraq (ohhh wait, nevermind, I guess the US Government fabricated those tapes, nevermind, my bad). Iraq is obviously in support of the Al-Qaeda network and WILL NOT hesitate to provide them with the necessary resources to carry out terrorist activites. Believe what you want, but the track record proves it all: Iraq will build lie upon lie to by themselves time and hopefully get out of the predicament they're currently in. __________________ JamPlay.com - Online, video-based guitar lessons Last edited by Ace-Ace; 02-05-2003 at 02:28 PM..

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ChrisH Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,355	What is VERY interesting to note is that until 8 or 9 months ago Powell was against any millitary action in Iraq. His view has changed quickly in the last few months starting with Iraqs bullshit disclosure. Like I said before, if the inspectors were kidnapped tomorrow. Most of the world would deny it and blame the US.

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Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Everyone accepts that the LA and NY police departments regularly make up and plant evidence and lie to get convictions, but suddenly some people are willing to believe anything and everything that the federal government says. Interesting situation, no matter which side of the issue you are on.

02-05-2003, 01:35 PM	#61
wonton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 802	And as for "Terrorist Cells"... Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Canada, Italy, Spain, UK and the United States have all been found to have active Al-Qaeda cells within their borders. Should the US invade itself and these other countries as well? Yeeehaaa! Bombs Away!!

02-05-2003, 01:46 PM	#69
wonton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 802	And it is truly amazing how the American people can so easily fall under the illusion of Orwellian newspeak. "Topple the Iraqi leader" really means "Invade a nation, kill 500,000 civlians and steal that nation's oil".

02-05-2003, 01:50 PM	#73
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	US claim dismissed by Blix The chief UN weapons inspector yesterday dismissed what has been billed as a central claim of the speech the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, will make today to the UN security council. Hans Blix said there was no evidence of mobile biological weapons laboratories or of Iraq trying to foil inspectors by moving equipment before his teams arrived. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...889135,00.html Who to believe?

02-05-2003, 02:03 PM	#79
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	I think we should just leave Iraq alone. All that fake information was clearly a part of the top secert US plan to fool the world and take all the oil. Sadam is all about peace just follow up on his history. A guy like Sadam wouldnt associate with a terror organization such as Al Queda. This entire situation is nothing more then the secert evil american plan to take all the oil in the world. The whole world is being fooled by their fake ridiculous notions of threats from biological/chemical terror. I mean seriously why should they be concerned with that?

02-05-2003, 02:18 PM	#86
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Texas is the reason that the presidents dead!

02-05-2003, 02:35 PM	#100
jojojo Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,318	Fucking bomb Iraq already - I am tired of reading these stupid news articles on Yahoo and threads about this douche bag. Saddam and his homies __________________ Learn SEO - make $$ residually - icq me 333485092