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ArsewithClass · 12-14-2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Potential

Again, I am not arguing against any digital products at all, I am talking about an alternative that is not being addressed. I am sure there will always be some sort of a market for all kinds of digital stuff, but there is a market out there that does not buy that stuff, that will and does buy true collectibles.

If I am correct, currency is only worth what we set it at. Therefore, if a price was placed on a collection of cards, which included a single photo from each set of the models collections, a prize win of a set figure placed on the whole collection, in turn, would give a reason for people to purchase every card.

I suppose this could only work on a model, photographer or program with all rights to that one model. Maybe each program or photographer could actually do this for their content.

The cards could be also be placed into niches, hardcore, glamour, softcore, etc etc.

lol, if the prize was like 100k, then see those wives telling the husbands to go & buy their favourite models cards

Max Potential · 12-14-2011, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

By far here biggest seller was 8x10 autographed pictures.

8x10s are a huge seller, especially because there are so many storage products out there to keep these things in.

For example (picked at random off of ebay real quick);

http://www.ebay.com/itm/25-BCW-8-x-1...em5d2ec8 9bfa

Max Potential · 12-14-2011, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

If I am correct, currency is only worth what we set it at. Therefore, if a price was placed on a collection of cards, which included a single photo from each set of the models collections, a prize win of a set figure placed on the whole collection, in turn, would give a reason for people to purchase every card.

I suppose this could only work on a model, photographer or program with all rights to that one model. Maybe each program or photographer could actually do this for their content.

The cards could be also be placed into niches, hardcore, glamour, softcore, etc etc.

lol, if the prize was like 100k, then see those wives telling the husbands to go & buy their favourite models cards

You kind of lost me on this one, but I think you are getting the gist. Imagine if you spent 10k on digital porn over the last 10 years. You would only have a bunch of digital photos and videos sitting on your computer to show for it, with very little chance to ever recoup your investment. But if you had put that 10k into 8x10 photos, trading cards, autographs, etc. There is a market out there for it. Some might be worth less than you paid, some might be worth considerably more with a lot of things depending. But the point is, the 10k in tangible items retains a value, the digital shit does not.

Back in the day I collected Hustler & Penthouse mags. I have no idea what I spent over the course, but gathered many hundreds of them. I sold the lot for $1000 one day to a collector. Had it been all digital that I had paid for over the course, I would have gotten $0 (although to be fair had I it in digital form, I might have gotten $5 for putting in on a CD for someone)

ArsewithClass · 12-14-2011, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Potential

You kind of lost me on this one, but I think you are getting the gist. Imagine if you spent 10k on digital porn over the last 10 years. You would only have a bunch of digital photos and videos sitting on your computer to show for it, with very little chance to ever recoup your investment. But if you had put that 10k into 8x10 photos, trading cards, autographs, etc. There is a market out there for it. Some might be worth less than you paid, some might be worth considerably more with a lot of things depending. But the point is, the 10k in tangible items retains a value, the digital shit does not.

We already do 8x10 photos from our studio. We have a high street studio here in the UK, 8x10 canvas prints also... I was wondering about offering the magnetic prints, I have the paper but haven't used it as yet.

Drop me an email & I can send you a print by post if you like

justinsain · 12-14-2011, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Potential

Now imagine if you sold the cards off a web site with a whole bunch of others. Now over the course there is a whole bunch of collectors that have acquired these things. Now when she shows up at a show, shitloads of them show up with their cards to be signed.

I've seen it happen time and again with the Benchwarmer girls. The cards are sold and traded all over the place, then when a girl shows up at a show, guys are all over her with their cards to be signed. She gets paid to be on the card to begin with, or just for her photo shoot to begin with, but at the show she makes bank, and they collectors are back on the sites looking for more cards later. Its part of the nature of the beast with trading cards as a collectible in general.

She didn't sell her cards there because the market was not prepped for them to begin with, but the collectors who were brought them with.

She and they had the official Playboy Playmate trading card which was sold by Playboy. Glamourcon is the biggest gathering of Playmates and a golden opportunity for collectors. When several thousand people pass her table and only three have an interest in trading cards it tells me that when the next show comes around it would be worthless to order another 100 trading cards. BTW I'm pretty sure her card is no longer available from Playboy which makes it even more collectable and I believe Playboy has discontinued the cards altogether which also says something about that side of the business and I think Hooters followed the same path.

Max Potential · 12-14-2011, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

We already do 8x10 photos from our studio. We have a high street studio here in the UK, 8x10 canvas prints also... I was wondering about offering the magnetic prints, I have the paper but haven't used it as yet.

Drop me an email & I can send you a print by post if you like

In my experience there is definately an 8x10 photograph collector market, the magnetic prints, probably less so, but I honestly have no idea. I do know that there is a very large card market that was enormous in the 90's, then died down as online porn grew and the market for cards got saturated. Then as digital become passe' we have seen the card market begin to grow again, but the problem is now there is that the market is not being seen or addressed by the producing industry, that is my whole point I guess. I am seeing more and more issues raised on these boards and others about how the online market seems to be dwindling and people are looking for ways to increase sales and revenues, I am just trying to tell you folks of ONE alternative that is not being addressed, for which there is indeed a market.

Thanks, I will gladly zip you an email, I'd love to see your product, what's your email, I dont see it in your sig.

Max Potential · 12-14-2011, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

She and they had the official Playboy Playmate trading card which was sold by Playboy. Glamourcon is the biggest gathering of Playmates and a golden opportunity for collectors. When several thousand people pass her table and only three have an interest in trading cards it tells me that when the next show comes around it would be worthless to order another 100 trading cards. BTW I'm pretty sure her card is no longer available from Playboy which makes it even more collectable and I believe Playboy has discontinued the cards altogether which also says something about that side of the business and I think Hooters followed the same path.

I think the key to that equation would be to make sure the collectors are able to get the cards BEFORE the show, not during. You might find that more people might even attend these shows only because they have the cards and want to get them signed, not the other way around. I've gone to many a strip club over the years only because I had a card already I wanted signed whereas otherwise I would not have gone at all. I have heard that same thing many times before from others.

Playboy cards are now done exclusively through Stellar Collectibles, I don't think Playboy themselves are involved in the card production process at all.

justinsain · 12-14-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Potential

I think the key to that equation would be to make sure the collectors are able to get the cards BEFORE the show, not during. You might find that more people might even attend these shows only because they have the cards and want to get them signed, not the other way around. I've gone to many a strip club over the years only because I had a card already I wanted signed whereas otherwise I would not have gone at all. I have heard that same thing many times before from others.

Playboy cards are now done exclusively through Stellar Collectibles, I don't think Playboy themselves are involved in the card production process at all.

She was a playmate in the 90s and we did the shows in 2005, It was her first public appearance since becoming a Playmate so collectors had ample time to acquire the card and hope for the day it could be signed. She also had cards on hand for those that were caught without one. I don't see availability as the problem.

Max Potential · 12-14-2011, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

She was a playmate in the 90s and we did the shows in 2005, It was her first public appearance since becoming a Playmate so collectors had ample time to acquire the card and hope for the day it could be signed. She also had cards on hand for those that were caught without one. I don't see availability as the problem.

Waiting 5+ years to have her attend the show might have played a role and was anyone marketing to the card collectors that she was going to be there? I would say look at the guys from AdultTradingCardCompany.com (Their domain name cracks me up) as an example and check out their videos they posted on YouTube. They produced the cards for the girls/guys and then marketed the fact that the girls were going to be at the shows and they had/are having success and are growing. They're definitely smaller players in the game, but with no real competition they are taking things by storm. Its a matter of synergy between the collectors in the market and the producers of the product.

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CarlosTheGaucho · 12-15-2011, 08:56 AM

Since the need for a quick jackoff is very easy to get these days if you're into regular stuff the only thing getting the same demand is fucking.

So the closer you can get to the real experience, the more interactive you can get or the more real sex you can promise the more mass appeal you're able to achieve.

Of course there will always be a place for niche porn that's not that easy to substitute and that appeals to its target group.

It's always the need for sex in general vs. the need for kink that's hard to satisfy in the real world.

ilnjscb · 12-15-2011, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Since the need for a quick jackoff is very easy to get these days if you're into regular stuff the only thing getting the same demand is fucking.

So the closer you can get to the real experience, the more interactive you can get or the more real sex you can promise the more mass appeal you're able to achieve.

Of course there will always be a place for niche porn that's not that easy to substitute and that appeals to its target group.

It's always the need for sex in general vs. the need for kink that's hard to satisfy in the real world.

true. As for trading cards, that is small population v. the porn viewers. That market would saturate in 10 minutes. Before visual, literature sold well. Then visual became the medium. Now, interactive is becoming the medium.

FlexxAeon · 12-15-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Since the need for a quick jackoff is very easy to get these days if you're into regular stuff the only thing getting the same demand is fucking.

So the closer you can get to the real experience, the more interactive you can get or the more real sex you can promise the more mass appeal you're able to achieve.

Of course there will always be a place for niche porn that's not that easy to substitute and that appeals to its target group.

It's always the need for sex in general vs. the need for kink that's hard to satisfy in the real world.

i was purposely NOT trying to say this

for most of us, porn is a substitute for sex.... we don't watch porn for the sake of watching porn. we watch it because we're not getting laid at the time (if at all)

thanks to the abundance and availability of porn images and videos, it has lost it's value. i personally don't care how niche you get, a consumer who isn't a rabid fan can easily find something close to what you're supplying, your potential sale is gone with the wad they shot.

super specific niches and novelty items aren't going to make things better. we are in need of a paradigm shift

CarlosTheGaucho · 12-15-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

i was purposely NOT trying to say this

for most of us, porn is a substitute for sex.... we don't watch porn for the sake of watching porn. we watch it because we're not getting laid at the time (if at all)

thanks to the abundance and availability of porn images and videos, it has lost it's value. i personally don't care how niche you get, a consumer who isn't a rabid fan can easily find something close to what you're supplying, your potential sale is gone with the wad they shot.

super specific niches and novelty items aren't going to make things better. we are in need of a paradigm shift

I couldn't focus on marketing a particular niche anyway since I'm hopelessly "normal" in kink or fetish and could never spend too much time trying to market something that doesn't turn me on as a customer.

Actually, just got two really batshit crazy ideas how to sell sex in a way that i can't remind seeing anywhere else, just need to review how crazy they are.

ilnjscb · 12-15-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

i was purposely NOT trying to say this

for most of us, porn is a substitute for sex.... we don't watch porn for the sake of watching porn. we watch it because we're not getting laid at the time (if at all)

thanks to the abundance and availability of porn images and videos, it has lost it's value. i personally don't care how niche you get, a consumer who isn't a rabid fan can easily find something close to what you're supplying, your potential sale is gone with the wad they shot.

super specific niches and novelty items aren't going to make things better. we are in need of a paradigm shift

It has to be interactive - that is the only thing left other than robots or sensory implantations

FlexxAeon · 12-15-2011, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

It has to be interactive - that is the only thing left other than robots or sensory implantations

interactive - i agree. but just for disambiguation, i think of it not only in the 'tech' sense but in the actual definition of the term.

we have to stop thinking in terms of selling subscriptions or dvd's or trading cards or whatever. that shit is old, and unless the government locks it down, the internet and "user generation" will continue eating it up.

i know in a lot of cases that spells doom for the smaller players, but that's just how it is.

step the game up or be prepared for your exit. 'adapt or die'

Cherry7 · 12-15-2011, 03:42 PM

Interactive porn

FlexxAeon · 12-15-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

Interactive porn

i dont wanna take a test i want to FUCK!

simmeon · 12-15-2011, 03:49 PM

What the hell... porn pokemon cards about. ROFL

Max Potential · 12-15-2011, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

i dont wanna take a test i want to FUCK!

Fucking is one thing (if money is involved in the fucking process, that is just plain ole prostitution), spending money for porn is something completely different. Personally I want to know there is a return on my porn investment in the future.

Max Potential · 12-15-2011, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by simmeon

What the hell... porn pokemon cards about. ROFL

Not quite... http://adulttradingcards.com/shop/

FlexxAeon · 12-15-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Potential

Fucking is one thing (if money is involved in the fucking process, that is just plain ole prostitution), spending money for porn is something completely different. Personally I want to know there is a return on my porn investment in the future.

yes money for sex = prostitution. but let's be real here...spending money on porn is not all that different. would you rather be having sex with that chick or whacking it to her picture? the overwhelming majority of viewers will answer the former. and if they COULD pay to do it, a good chunk of them WOULD. but for so many reasons and factors, it's not possible.

for the majority....the people who we AREN'T converting, porn is and aid for masturbation, and masturbation is a substitute for sex. period. it damn sure isn't an "investment" to them.

ArsewithClass · 12-15-2011, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Potential

Not quite... http://adulttradingcards.com/shop/

Exactly what I was thinking

This could be worth a bomb shell especially with exclusive content that is very undersold! I wouldn't mind an investor as I haven't got the million to set this up

ArsewithClass · 12-15-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

yes money for sex = prostitution. but let's be real here...spending money on porn is not all that different. would you rather be having sex with that chick or whacking it to her picture? the overwhelming majority of viewers will answer the former. and if they COULD pay to do it, a good chunk of them WOULD. but for so many reasons and factors, it's not possible.

for the majority....the people who we AREN'T converting, porn is and aid for masturbation, and masturbation is a substitute for sex. period. it damn sure isn't an "investment" to them.

Absolutely agreed... hence my first posts... but a collection of cards, especially is it was collectable would work (especially) for larger companies...

I am thinking that with my hundreds & hundreds of sets of niche photos, a collection of 1 card per set, with a winning prize draw would actually work... Problem is the amount of money needed to spend on advertising especially as it is included in the gambling rules if there was a prize draw

Max Potential · 12-15-2011, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

Absolutely agreed... hence my first posts... but a collection of cards, especially is it was collectable would work (especially) for larger companies...

I am thinking that with my hundreds & hundreds of sets of niche photos, a collection of 1 card per set, with a winning prize draw would actually work... Problem is the amount of money needed to spend on advertising especially as it is included in the gambling rules if there was a prize draw

I would say you might want to just start simple, produce a few cards, it's pretty cheap, really, and offer them for sale to your existing members, or even allow just visitors to purchase them, and see what happens. I don't think you need a contest, drawings or the like at all, but I could be wrong.

VIXEN ESCORTS · 12-15-2011, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DVTimes

Is porn out of date?

I think softwear based porn could be the way to go.

Mabe rather than download pics or vids, people download a prog, and download different girls (paying for each). It could be interactive softwear. So rather than watch a film, it could be a game. say strip poker. or better still some sort of adventer game, where the prise is to see the girl nude. or interact with her or somthing.

this could be pc or phone based.

Softwear ? Is that like really cushioned trainers ? GREAT Idea, so instead of downloading pics and vids we should download a prog that lets us download pics and vids !!!

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