is porn out of date?

I don't want to be rude, but that has to be an older idea than pic posts. I remember porn software 10+ years ago.

"Valerie" virtual sex game circa 1991. In other words the interactive has been here for decades, so nothing new.

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yes

but today the grafics are vid quality, plus with phones you have touch screen and balace thing and vr of sorts.

I could see some kind of porn/sex MMO taking off in the future but there would have to be significant technological improvements to what is current out there. Right now everything just looks crude, silly and hard to take seriously.

No it's not out of date!? If it's not broke, don't try to fix it.....

You can try make money with the gimmicks & people shall want them. But dvd, online films, magazines & even old videos shall always sell & always be watched by many

Why would you want to try change it??? Porn will always sell... ahhh, Unless you are trying to find something else to sell because you can't make decent porn

piss off you spamming shit

go off and pimp your filthy wife for unprotected sex with strangers

no one is interested in a pimp that pimps his wife

your filth - ----

i dont know about 'software' but yes....

pictures and videos as the 'product' is old and (in my humble opinion) growing more and getting more ancient (by leaps and bounds) by the day

thats it.

plus its harder to pirate

you see you need stuff that cannot be uploaded to tubes.

once you have that then you have somthing that will sell.

Spamming??? You have my links in your sig, you complete prize idiot



Go & spend some time in kindergarten if you can't communicate in an adult forum


If you want to call me a pimp, that's your prerogative, but considering you hire girls that are escorts also, you're acting like a dickhead

& for you to call me filth, you actually stink you fucking dirty skanky twat




You can't hold a camera steady & you film shit porn... this is the reason why you want to see if you can do something else

i see your point but i think it's bigger than tubes and/or avoiding them

? What are you on about ?

A porn product that cannot be uploaded to tubes, then it can sell. Just because porn is on a tube, it can be used to sell the porn...


You start a tube thread or a thread saying porn doesn't sell every week!


My porn sites & everyone elses sell.... It's either, only you with the problem if you think you need something else to sell, or, you need a thread so you can advertise my links in your sig

to be honest, DVconman hasn't got a point. He keeps referring to what I said in the first place, he's trying to find something else to sell because his content is pretty poor standard.

I think the nearest to new style porn would be the interactive dildos & wank machines that you use with live cam.... it's all part and parcel of the future but even this product has it's pitfalls with the problem of having your hands doing all sorts of things like controlling everything.

Maybe the only next step other than a good old fashioned porn film is interactive mind porn, similar to the live cam with dildos and wank hands, but with sensors connecting to the brain.

Plug in porn


I'm sticking to filming decent gangbang, creampie, facial & spunk session content though

porn tubes are the ultimate in technology and are all that is needed for 90% of people.

wow strip poker you say

You are damn right though... if it isn't porn, those poker sites are making a fortune

I know I for sure don't play on the same levels as most of the guys here on gfy do, nor do I come at adult stuff in the same way at all. But why/whatever happened to the idea of selling collectible porn and why is it that the adult entertainment industry as a whole seems to have bailed on it? Why not take some of the photographs that you content producers shoot and make them available as a physical collectible to visitors/members of your sites or just collectors in general? Much less why not sell them autographs of some of these up and coming stars/models, even personalized. The cost of production on stuff like this is almost nominal anymore if you produce even small quantities, and the return/profit margin could be quite large.

Actual tangible, physical things that these guys you are trying to constantly get to pay you money might be more had/kept if they actually had something to show for it as time went on. I know Playboy is still doing it and making bank and now the Japanese are doing it big time with their Juicy Honey and Milky Angel products, and Benchwarmer, don't even get me started (remember, this is the guy that was recently on Millionaire Matchmaker). Why not some of these other big companies, or even the smaller content producers. There really is a market there, and as I see it, it is starting to grow again, not get smaller.

I know I personally have never paid for a single bit of porn on a pay site, ever. And I honestly don't know why I would ever need or want to when there is SO MUCH out there for free. Pretty much any girl that has a name has her pictures splattered all over the web in free pics, or on tubes for free also. I know there is also somewhat of a 'black market' for printed photographs and I also know that new companies like AdultTradingCardCompany.com are starting to emerge and their products are being pimped pretty well. But the adult market at large seems so untapped.

I am not trying to rile up anything at all nor create any kind of controversy at all either, its just an honest question that I pose.

I have been dealing with the collectibles market for a long time now. It started for me looking for new ideas/places to expand my own art into (Now I sometimes sell more dollar value in pictures of my art on collectible cards, than I do for the original paintings themselves). I discovered what are called non-sport trading cards first, which led then to the discovery of the adult trading cards. Since then I have met and discussed this with many hundreds, if not literally thousands of people. Most of the adult card collectors I have discussed it with think that it is because online porn has replaced this, but are still baffled as to why modern companies are not taking advantage of the concept of 'printing money' and producing porn collectibles at large. Most of the guys I know that 'collect' porn, do it with tangible products, and get their online porn for free too.

Anyway, I don't mean to interrupt your convo here, just thought I would pose the question as it seemed like it might be an appropriate place. I'd really love some intelligent thoughts.

In most paysites, especially solo models, you find they do live cam dedicated free to their members, also, as Natalie does, lots of solo models do fansigns & offer dvd's in the members areas. We have loads of downloadable photos, although, only recently, Paul Markham has mentioned that online stores are worthwhile, therefore, our content including some unseen footage, older & new, shall be available soon. That is as they say, good old fashioned porn, like the doublepenetration german films from the 80s

Now, hearing this, an extra push for an online store, maybe discount for members to our paysites

look fool

you keep hyjacking myt threads

clearly its spam

why?

i think your a prat. so why post in my threads?

you do it as i am forced to tell you to sod off, and that your a sick bit of crap that gets baned from forums, who pimps his wife for unprotecterd sex with strangers for a few pounds, who runs 7 or so sites with only one or two models, that you tried to sell but no one wanted, that you said only got 4 sales in the good times, that no one wants to promote, that when you poist a pic of your wife people call her a dog, so you then keep posting your crappy pics.

why not just not post in my threads

we all know you just want to hyjack them.

so please do not even reply. just go away.

bye bye moron

but of course you will reply as you hope to get your sig in.

no one wants to promote your sites

we all know your a sick pimp. its sick you pimp your wife. its sick you make her do it unprotected. now piss off you and your protetute wife.

ps

you have no idea what your talking about. you even thought i removed a pic when i had hotlink protection on it.

I believe this entire post is spam, you disgusting cunt. Post some more CNN links, faggot.

I think maybe you are missing my point, and it may be that because I've been dealing with this for a while now I am able to understand the pieces of the puzzle a little better, at least from the collectible standpoint.

When I say collectibles, downloadable pictures definitely do not count, nor would fansigns or dvd, vhs videos or otherwise. Collectibles, at least in the market that I know, would be things in which they make collectible 'Storage Products'. ONE of the main reasons that baseball cards (and nonsport cards and adult cards for that matter) are so popular as a collectible (and comics too) is because there is a MASSIVE industry behind them that product collectible storage products specifically for these type of items. You would be amazed at the array of types of things that are manufactured to store trading card size items (exactly 2.5" x 3.5") in, as well as photographs too. There are archival storage pages made for everysize paper/cardboard collectible you can imagine, from postage stamp size to 8.5x11 letter paper size and probably 25 different sizes in between. There are also even large storage items for larger things like large prints and posters. But my original point is, why is this industry not 'Printing Money' to fill all these things?

This thread is full of fuck.

i think you mean bbc and daily mail links.

So maybe having original hardprints available by post? or more so, large quality downloadable formats photos. I can imagine this kind of thing being less popular as it is the porn industry. Most wives would have something to say about it for a start. Collections of trading cards are available, I have seen such like in adult shops, but for different sizes, I don't personally see it being worthy... I maybe wrong

Nothing that is downloadable and print yourself is going to ever be considered a collectible. A collectible is something that has value, that you can potentially resell in the future, hopefully for more money than you paid.

Why would wives have a problem with you spending $100 on something that you might be able to sell again in the future to someone else, as opposed to a bunch of pictures that you spent a $100 on that you can never do anything else with except jerk off too? At least if you have a tangible item, there is the potential to resell it in the future.

Playboy had a lot of collectable items for the Playmates and they were mildly successful only because mainstream generally accepts Playboy.

Football and Baseball trading cards are widely collected because its acceptable.

Porn Stars are not accepted mainstream so collecting items would generally be kept underground therefor it will never reach the level of mainstream collectables.

I agree, but It does not have to reach the level of mainstream collectibles in order to be considerably profitable The existing purveyors now only still continue to produce because it is profitable. The pictures and videos that are downloaded by all your paysites are generally kept underground on the machines that store them too. And again, the tangible product retains a potential resale value, whereas the downloaded pictures or videos, do not.

What you need is somthing like www.totemcash.com in that once people buy the softwear, it keeps making money as people want to get different girls.

have somthing like that and you keep making cash.

while dating sites sold, many dating sites are now free. even webcan sites are free.

porn in on tubes.

so you need somthing that people are happy to buy.

I dont know enough about that market to speculate. My point is that there is an open market that no major players, other than a small few at current, are taking advantage of. Printing Money Instead of dead presidents, print Live Pussy, very simple equation.

porn is free

porn tubes made sure of that

we know that porn tubes make no or almost no sales considering a vid can be seen thousands of times.

i know sites that have uploaded all there films to tubes. they say some still join as they want to save the films. but to me thats last chance saloon.

you need a 'real' product to sell.

isomthing people feel is real, not that can be copied free.

its like music.

people loved records as they were real. these days mp3's have no value.

This is what I was saying, although, I suppose Ben Dover has done similar here in the UK with hats, clothing & keyrings.

Which is where high street dvds, knickers & clothing worn on live cam... this is the nearest to tangible items in the porn world other than a brand such as PB with it's clothes, keyrings, you name it, they sell it

THAT is exactly my point. PRINT money, don't just digitize it.

I brought a Playboy Playmate to Glamourcon ( biggest pin-up convention ) in Chicago and LA. Two days at both events and it was her first appearence so the autograph collectors were all over her. She signed a total of 3 Playmate trading cards and sold zero of the ones she had on hand. She signed about 5 Playboy hard bound books that contained all the Playmates. In the past six years she has been contacted zero times concerning such collectables. She does well selling autographed pictures and a DVD.

Speaking from personal experience there just isn't that much interest or at least in her case and I would imagine it would be less for porn stars for the reasons I made in my first post.

The key is something COLLECTIBLE, something that they will keep coming back for MORE and MORE of. They will not keep coming back for more and more hats, clothing, keyrings or otherwise. They might buy 1, or even 2 of each, but if you want to keep them coming back for more, it has to be something COLLECTIBLE, not JUST tangible

but idealy somthing that you can flog on the net with ease.

softear is ideal.

of course iphone aps would be the king, but appel do not alow porn.

porn aps are were to go.

dvd's were good for that. the idea being they bought one, liked it, then wanted the rest (i refer to porn dvd's).

but these days those collectors are turning to porn tubes.

sure we still have some who will buy porn dvd's but thats reducing.

Again my point, people do collect autographs, in our experience mostly on 8x10 photos or collectible trading cards. The 3 cards she signed, did she have them or did people bring them with for her to sign?

I bet if she/they offered those cards on some of the more popular web sites she was on they would sell.

I know we get people at our ATC site all the time looking for Playboy cards/autographs. We've never dealt with PB much as a focus, but may in the future if we dont sell the site as the demand is certainly there. What is her site, I bet if she offered autographed trading cards, especially personalized, on her site and keyworded them to appear when people searched for 'adult trading cards' or 'playboy autograph' she would see sales.

CDs & DVDs are not really considered collectibles in the real sense, meaning that they have no real future resale value. Yes people do 'collect' them, I've collected many music CDs over the years, but not as a real collectible with the potential of ever being able to resell them, much less at a profit.

You can drive home the digital stuff as much as you want, and I agree there will always be a market for digital/online stuff I'm sure. I am just talking about a market that is not having the needs addressed currently, where there is low cost and a long term collector base and potential large profit. You can have 1000 cards printed now for less than $100, sell those cards off a web site for $1 each plus shipping, profit $900 (sell them for $5 each and $4400 profit). Again, simple math. No they might not all sell overnight (though depending on the traffic claims on some of the sites here they might) Do 1 for each girl on your site, or do 12 different ones for each girl on your site, one per month and keep them coming back each month for the next one....returning customers.

years ago i sugested rather than websites putiing content in a mebers area, they should put it onto dvd each month, and people would subscribe to it.

but then servers came down in price.

Even though live cam & paysites may not be tangible & collectable, if the content is new & has variety, then both are products or payments that are ongoing & people want to come back for.




BTW DV.. your sig is breaking the banned rules.. only 3 lines are allowed

See my sig for proper linage & a non rule breaking look.

those things people buy for there own pleaser, not to re-sell.

i mean people do not buy say the dvd collection of family guy in the plan to re-sell years later.

in a few years dvd will be a dead format.

Again, I am not arguing against any digital products at all, I am talking about an alternative that is not being addressed. I am sure there will always be some sort of a market for all kinds of digital stuff, but there is a market out there that does not buy that stuff, that will and does buy true collectibles.

I agree 100%

I am only talking about collectibles that do have tangible trade/resale value for the future.

All three she signed were brought by the customer and she charged for the signature. She had trading cards for sale but sold none. By far here biggest seller was 8x10 autographed pictures.

But people could also just copy the dvd too, removes the authentic quality of it being a collectible. Nothing I can think of will ever make a digital asset a collectible product it the true sense of a conventional collectible.

Now imagine if you sold the cards off a web site with a whole bunch of others. Now over the course there is a whole bunch of collectors that have acquired these things. Now when she shows up at a show, shitloads of them show up with their cards to be signed.

I've seen it happen time and again with the Benchwarmer girls. The cards are sold and traded all over the place, then when a girl shows up at a show, guys are all over her with their cards to be signed. She gets paid to be on the card to begin with, or just for her photo shoot to begin with, but at the show she makes bank, and they collectors are back on the sites looking for more cards later. Its part of the nature of the beast with trading cards as a collectible in general.

She didn't sell her cards there because the market was not prepped for them to begin with, but the collectors who were brought them with.

true

but the idea being that people only had access to the months content they had subscribed to, unless they purchased the back catalage.

it also meant you had the real addresses of those who subsribed, making it less likly that they would upload in fear they got court.

the idea being that each dvd could include a pic or two (as in a real photograph). that only that person would have.

Again, I am not arguing at all against anything digital, I am only talking about an alternative product that is not being seen or addressed by the 'adult entertainment industry' as a whole. Digital will always be there, its here, its everywhere. I am talking about something that is missing. Again, Print Money, instead of dead presidents, use Live Pussy, Tits, Ass, whatever.