Losing our rights and freedoms under the guise of necessary protection, is always a slippery slope. Our privacies and freedoms are reduced on a daily basis. It is happening slowly, with one new law at a time, but it is happening.

I see one problem with this, If they block pirate sites from the US People who live in the US wont see their content on the pirate sites anymore but it will still be there sitting on the internet on a server in some other country. It kinda defeats the whole idea of policing your own content.

This has very little to do with "piracy," it's just sold that way for people not paying attention.

SOPA, and the expansion of CFAA amount to an all out war on Internet freedom by the federal government. They are losing the propaganda war, and they need to start heavily censoring the Internet now. Get ready..

Very similar legislation is being worked on, or is already being implemented, in most Western countries.

Dream on. For a very very tiny few it might mean more money. Unless it brings down the free tubes and their advertising supporters, doubt it though.

99% or something close to that is porn with little generic value, uniqueness or real pull. The people who go to a piracy site to DL a lot of CM and don't want anyone else will coe to you. both of them :winkwink:

The rest will go onto pornhub and download a free movie of any big titted milf.

As for new porn. I don't remember the exact year, let's say 2000, I last read AVN and the figures for new releases in the US. It was 15,000 titles. Assuming a man watches 90 minutes a day. that will take him 41 years to plow through the content of 2000. By the time he finishes the online stuff of 200 he will be in his box pushing up daisies. :winkwink: :winkwink:

Yes I know what you're going to say. Still every unseen scene is a "new" scene to that consumer. It could be my stuff from 200, but if he didn't see it, it's new to him. Don't come up with the HD argument, Tubes prove it invalid.

Newsgroups, then TGPs started us on this roller coaster and I think you were on the driving seat then. Now free will kill you and I hope Dating and Webcams. Then paysites might just come back. :1orglaugh

Did you live over in SA

No dreaming involved. People want the newest updates and the newest porn. If they can't get if free...they will pay. Always have and always will.

How much content from your sites can I pirate and sell via out stores?

Or will you think my "freedom" is bullshit, if I pirate from you?

How much of yours can I steal before you call the police?

The problem is people saying one thing and doing the absolute opposite.

Don't flatter yourself or porn. This law is about big businesses protecting their property. Not this Ma & Pa industry. OK little extreme, still Microsoft and that level lose more in a day than the entire porn industry does in a month. And that's who it's going to get passed for.

Porn will have to suck it up and adapt to the new laws.

The piracy sites are largely supported by advertisers who want US traffic. It will hurt their advertising revenue. By a lot.

When the EU follows it will be goodbye piracy sites that live off advertising.

This law is going through, or one like it. It's to protect proper business like Microsoft and industries like software in the US and US tax revenues. So get used to it. All your crying and moaning counts for nothing. No one's listening to you. Or the mainstream piracy sites. do you think they listen to muggers and bank robbers when they pass a law for mugging and bank robbery? Get real people.

The effect on sites that advertise to get US surfers will be immense.

How will it change the way we live? Well if you don't use other peoples content to make money, or to get something for free that you shouldn't have. Not much. If you do and I suspect many of the anti bill people do. Then it will effect you.

I doubt it will turn the clock back, too much money has been spent to make porn free. Legal free Tube sites like pornhub, which will go legal, will make millions in advertising revenues. Less places to advertise = charge more money.

So maybe sites that advertise on piracy sites will have to spend more. Or will they spend the same in less places?

Manwin could be behind this bill. :1orglaugh

Censorship is what makes us money. Banning or limiting porn in some countries actually opens the doors to serious webmasters and AVS sites who could make millions from legit porn buyers that way.

Forbidden fruits taste the best!

I am fully for stronger copyright protections, and I'm totally against piracy, but without reading a final draft of this bill (which doesn't exist yet) this thread is all about speculation and assumption.

These new proposed bills will effect porn, but that is not what I believe the underlying purpose is. I'm not optimistic about any of this at all. It smells a lot like censorship to me - artistic and more importantly, political.

I think that all creative people in all industries are already being censored by piracy.

How many great songwriters, musicians, film makers, artists, etc are lost to us because they can no longer make a living from their work?

That's not me just speculating either. In the porn biz I have a friend who is sitting on hundreds of hardcore scenes he has been shooting because he knows that the minute he releases any of it, it will be pirated and worthless.

A strong anti-piracy law and he could move forward with his work.

Pink Floyd sat in a studio for months, after rehearsing and trying out songs at home. It took time and the end result is a piece of musical history. Only a small part because this wasn't a one off. Bands and musicians had time to create great albums. Beatles, Who, Genesis, Zeppelin and many many more. Today they don't have the time or budget.

Sgt Pepper took over 12 months and Tommy took 8 months. They also had an advantage you could release only singles not attached to a full album. Pete Townsend threw together I can see for miles because they needed something to throw out there while creating Tommy.
Also record companies grew talent, it wasnt expected your first record to be a huge success.

I don't really understand these music industry/porn industry comparisons.

Porn is nowhere near as redeeming as music, and no one takes 8 months to film a porn video. Even if they did, what would be the point?

As far as piracy and revenue goes... a band can come together today, write some great tunes, GIVE THEM ALL AWAY FOR FREE, INTENTIONALLY, and still make bank performing live in venues around the world.

That's not how porn works, so the comparison is just not really valid.

Google Warns Lawmakers That Online Piracy Bill Could Depress Investment

Google Inc warned U.S. lawmakers on Wednesday that proposed legislation to crack down on foreign websites selling pirated U.S. movies, music or other counterfeit goods goes too far and could depress investment.

The legislation has pit Internet giants, consumer groups and first amendment advocates against the U.S. copyright industries, including Hollywood studios and record labels, who have long argued for tougher protection.

A U.S. House of Representatives bill would allow a private party to go straight to a website's advertising and payment providers and request they sever ties.

"A corporation, a copyright 'troll,' or anyone with an axe to grind could send a notice... without first involving law enforcement or triggering any judicial process," Google policy counsel Katherine Oyama told a House Judiciary Committee hearing.

She urged lawmakers to instead work on legislation that cuts off revenue to rogue sites via the courts and avoids the "collateral damage" built into the current form of the bill.

more here...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...ref=technology

What do you expect Google to say?

Copying and pasting something from a company that this bill could potentially hurt their income doesn't mean anything.

Meanwhile...thousands of businesses from various industries are having their livelihoods destroyed, laying off employees, and in some cases shutting down.

Some of that revenue is generated by google listing pirate sites high in the rankings.
I wish they would police that, but that is censorship right?

Do you think for a second these lawmakers are going to pass up an opportunity to slip in some collateral damage and overkill?

The ideal of the bill at heart might be a good one, but as said before.. the devil is in the details.. they will fuck us the first chance they get by slipping in some extra yardage.

Even if people agree with the general tone of it, surely they must know the overall affect will be a negative one?

I VOTE FUCK CENSORSHIP, we worked too hard to get our wee bit of freedoms.

Censorship is bad. Stopping pirates is not censorship, it is law enforcement. If you produce things that get taken from you and shared against your will, and you don't earn money on piracy, then you will appreciate anything the government can do in your favor.

I don't think anyone is arguing with you.

The concern is how the bills are ultimately written and implemented.

You know, don't throw the baby out with the bath water, etc.

copyright is anti-american anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberta...pitalist_views

The Molinari Institute notes that Thomas Jefferson was against copyright and cites many other libertarians who opposed it.

If we have right to use three things separately, I see nothing in reason or in the law, which forbids our using them all together. A man has a right to use a saw, an axe, a plane, separately; may he not combine their uses on the same piece of wood? He has a right to use his knife to cut his meat, a fork to hold it; may a patentee take from him the right to combine their use on the same subject?

If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.

Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it.

He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.

That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation.

Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property.

– Thomas Jefferson

you can do that already without this internet-kill bill

It's amazing how many people on here who seem to think this is actually a good idea. Open your fucking minds people!

Really?

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No. He's just another guy talking with no experience.

First off...it doesn't matter what I think. Or what you think.

Second...keep in mind that ALL pirates and thieves are 100% against this kind of law as well.
Meanwhile, you have major mainstream companies backing this bill 100% because they are tired of having their product stolen and monetized. And you also have experienced, successful content producers and paysite owners on GFY telling you that they are in favor of a new law to stop piracy as well.

Maybe you should open your mind? Because the current status quo is damn sure the worst thing that's ever happened to our industry.

Maybe you should open your mind as well, you seem to suffer from tunnel vision
"more regulations and i will be rich RICH RICHHHHH"

But if this bill passes the other bills will pass as well and realy change the internet as we know it.

people below 18 years of age will be jailed if they use google.
All this people will find something else to do and will not buy your stuff after they turn 18 since they now have some other form to enjoy their time instead of sit behind their pc al day long.

People who lie on the internet for example lie about their age on facebook or lie about a video on youtube will be fined or cut off from the internet.

A lot of people will not look at your porn anymore.

For example loosing their very own USA based websites many people from outside the USA will avoid US websites because no one is gonna read your terms of services to read and make sure they are not in violation of your terms of use and loose their internet websites and or fined/put in jail for breaching yuor terms of use.

Seriously how many hits does your terms of use get?
anywhere near the amount of visitors at your website?

Instead of blaming everyone else you may want to protect your content by using watermarks or with media licensing for example DRM licensing http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...g/default.mspx

yes maybe crappy old geocities looking tgps will maybe start to make sales again. fuck the inetrnet.

After 9/11 the government should have focused like a laser on getting Bin Laden, disrupting Afghanistan, and rebuilding the World Trade Center.

Isn't that we all really wanted?

What happened instead? Waterboarding, wiretapping, body scanners, an unfunded war in Iraq, etc....

Is that what we wanted, as a people?

Now the government is going to "fix" our online piracy problem?

How do you suppose that's going to work out for us?

you need laws. laws keep order. Its unfortunate but mans nature isnt pure for the most part.

Currently, money makes the laws, not the people.

Did you profit from the war in Iraq? A lot of money was made by a lot of people. Track back who really wanted that war, and follow the money.

This will be the case with these new internet bills too. They will "protect our freedoms" directly into the corporate coffers. They will "protect our freedoms" directly into a more restricted internet.

Would you rather have true net-neutrality, along with some bad apples - or no net-neutrality, to "protect our freedoms" ?

love threads like this. shows that most small government libertarians are libertarian except when an issue might touch their pocketbook, then they happily endorse the most odious and stupid authoritarian laws.

I'm already rich (all of it earned in this business).

I led the industry in protecting my content when others said it couldn't be done.

As for tunnel vision...I not only see the big picture, but I'm 100 steps ahead of the game at all times.

Dude...the DMCA is an outdated law that was passed before a lot of technology existed. If you can't see with your own eyes what has happened over the last few years...then maybe YOU are the one with tunnel vision.

Iraq and our corrupt govt. have nothing to do with this. Neither does any politician claiming to want to "protect our freedom"

Stealing is NOT "freedom" . We need a law NOW to stop the blatant stealing and give some teeth to it so nobody even thinks about doing it.

This is about MONEY. Not freedom.

Giving the government any control of the internet will result in more regulations for US webmasters, which means more cost to do business, a new department that will cost millions , if not billions of dollars to run on the taxes collected by those that make a living on it.
If you look at what the supreme court is dealing with over the federal government expanding it's power with the new healthcare law, it's all about expantion of their power, which means less freedom of it's citizens.
I like what freedoms we have left, we've lost so many in my life time.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...724779286.html

Like the new healthcare law or not, this is about the federal government growing in places where it's not suppose to.

what are you moaning about nobody is going to steal anything from Claudia-Marie.Com
nobody in there right mind who fap to that horrible so called porn

Are you trying to make an argument while standing in the woods with your junk out? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

So creative people who are calling for this law think it will depress them creating more?

Where is the investment coming from that needs piracy to be left alone?

As for the other part of letting it go to court. Well by the time it gets into court, the other side fight and delay it, then appeal. Yes that's the best route. :1orglaugh

The penalty for false accusations needs to tough. Then copyright trolls (are these people sending out legal DMCA's" and stopping people pirating their wares) will be in trouble.

I recently did a favor for a friend in finding his some "traffic" sources from online porn. I get contacted by a few brokers who were selling ads.

Mostly on piracy sites. Many already had banners from well known people here, some are owned by people on GFY.

Online porn = Piracy.

for a lot of people. Vendzilla doesn't want to lose his freedom to advertise on piracy sites. doesn't want te pirates to lose their freedom to steal content to get traffic to earn money from him so he can sell his webcam sites.

Would Vendzilla feel the same if I hacked into the account and redirected all his traffic from a piracy site to mine?

Would Vendzilla feel the same if I hacked into his webcam sites and redirected all the live shows to my site?

No he'd be on me in a flash. He doesn't give a shit about freedom. Unless it his and not mine to take from him. And he's just one of many countless piracy supporters.

When he,Frank21, BFT3K, nextri and the rest of the piracy supporters. Open their sites and wares for me to download for free. I will think better of them. I'll pass away before they give that "freedom" away. :1orglaugh