I have no fucking idea what the fuck you are babbling about. If you read through my posts you will find I am totally AGAINST piracy, and TUBE SITES, legal or otherwise, so again... I have no fucking idea what you are trying to say, or why you would suggest I am pro-piracy in any fucking way.

This bill will be sold as an anti-piracy bill, and by doing so, incorrectly, it WILL fuck with net neutrality - guaranteed!

Come back in a year and bump this thread. Let's see how it turns out. :2 cents:

Bookmarked and in my diary.

Hey Robbie- I represent the Fender guitar company (or whatever guitar you happen to be holding in your avatar). We object to the dilution and damaging use of our trademark being used in association with that dirty whore in your photo LOL. This is your notice that your site has been reported to the Justice Department and your website is being shut down remotely via your DNS. For the next month while your website is shut down pending a review of the situation, sorry but you will be losing money every minute. BTW, once it is determined we were just fucking with you and we have no case, you are prevented via this law from seeking monetary compensation for our specious claim. GFY-

LOL, it never ceases to amaze me that the bottom dregs of society and sleazy porn merchants on here (at least in the minds of many conservatives) whom those same conservatives would LOVE to get a chance to shut down (.xxx anyone??) are actually in favor of censorship, and even funnier that they actually think Eric Holder is going to hold a press conference and publicly declare his support for claudiamarie.com or some other skanky site and take legal action (which is the requirement, this law does not allow you to personally sue, it has to be handled by the JD). These imbeciles actually believe that this law is for them and not for Time Warner and Disney. Jesus. Fucking delusional. LOL

I am against censorship. Unless we are censoring stolen material. If we aren't talking about stolen material, then cool. Thank goodness it is for Disney. Hopefully it will also allow other content producer's control of their property as a side effect. If the bill allows asshats the ability to shut down businesses on a whim, then don't pass it. I have a hard time believing that would be the case. I am against shutting down law abiding sites at the request of some schmuck. I am also against the protection of schmucks that steal material and post and share without fear of any reprisals.

Couple things Paul.

1) since we were one of the few that publically declared we were suspending their account, why do you have a hardon for me? Is it my smile?

2) How do you think I can take that link to our site down, do you have magical beans from the old country that can help?

3) Why are you for censorship? Because if the government gets it's hooks in this, that's exactly what will happen as seen with the patriot act

The government is drooling to get a hold of the internet and tax and regulate it, good bye freedoms

Yes, they are. But if we were arguing taxing the internet I would have a completely different position. Which freedom are we afraid we are going to lose with this bill?

Wrong. They never would do that. I bought that Fender Jeff Beck Custom Shop autographed Strat and the folks at Fender know me very well. :) And they don't even give it a single thought. It's nothing but great advertisement for them.

By your theory...nobody could even PLAY a guitar onstage. lol

And that pic and avatar by the way are from my BAND website (you know...music) This law would have zero effect on that. ZERO.

I see what you're trying to say. But it just doesn't work that way.

The "freedom" to blatantly steal and monetize other people's work. :1orglaugh

No Taxes without representation, except it's the representation thats adding all the taxes, the way the average person gets taxed these days is crazy, but that aside, I'm more afraid of losing more rights.

Think of it this way, put a bunch of politicians in charge of the internet, they will group together and start up censorship, next thing you know, you'll show up to GFY and get redirected to a military recruitment site.

People lose their homes because someone wants to build a strip mall, if you flush your toilet when the police show up at your frint door, they can break down the door with guns out, and the list goes on

LOL, I think you are taking me too literally. It might not work that way in that specific case if you are friends with them so let me put it another way.

You stole my content robie.

I am filing with the DOJ

Prove I am lying.

Meanwhile your site might be shut down and if it's found out that I was lying this law specifically prevents you from suing me for damages.

This bill puts the impetus on YOU to prove you are innocent. You are guilty as charged until you prove otherwise, got it?

Just curious. What part of this bill did you like? I mean the specific section and subsection. Cause you read it right??

Just asking because I read the whole bill. Every word, and I can tell you it's not what you think it is LOL. Do you know it has a subsection regarding the military? Like sites that threaten military secrets e.g. wikileaks type sites? This gives the government the ability to classify your site as threatening national security. When are people going to learn that the laws passed often have a lot of other stuff slipped into them. You do know that the law consists of the entire text of a bill, and not just the title right?

Look, I get people here are pissed off at the tubes, thats fine. i get it, but this bill does not address the problems you think it does in the way that you think it does. I also understand that people are so beat down they accept any solution, even if it is a bad one. There is a lot of that going around and this bill wont be the last example of that coming down the pike.

Dont get me wrong. I really dont care. Let it pass. lobby for it. America is fucked anyway so in a perverse way it's kind of amusing watching it go down the tubes, you wont get a fight from me about it. Just dont come crying to me when there are unintended consequences. Unintended by you that is, the feds clearly "intend" this to be something other than what it seems, but then again, like i said i could give a fuck. I just think it's amusing how easily people beg for their own demise. It interests me from a sociological perspective the obtuseness of people in general and Americans especially.

I don't "beg" for anything. And I also can't "let it pass" or "lobby for it". I'm not in the govt.

I'm just a guy who has skin in the game and has watched piracy destroy our industry because of an outdated DMCA law. I want a copyright law that changes that.

You can sit back and type that it is "amusing" to you as if you are a wise God-like figure sitting back in amusement at our follies. heh-heh
That's what that always sounds like to me when somebody that something or someone "amuses" them. :1orglaugh

I'll say it again: EVERY pirate and thief is against this type of law. Is it because they are fighting for some kind of imaginary virtual "freedom" that was just started a few years ago?

No.

I will be just as free online as I am now. And pirates will be hurt.

That's just my opinion. Mine is based on my own thoughts and experience. Yours is based on your own.

In the end it doesn't matter what I think. It doesn't matter what you think. Either this law will pass or another one that is similar will pass. And the law will have to pass constitutional muster. And there's nothing that me, you, or any other pornographer will have any say in.

The fact is...as I said already, the govt. can step in on us RIGHT NOW if they decide to pressure credit card companies to all stop processing adult.
And RIGHT NOW the govt. can come in and seize your website...and everything you own...and throw you in jail, even though you've done nothing wrong. Ask Max Hardcore.

This new law is aimed at piracy. Can it be turned on us? Of course it can. Does it matter? Not if something doesn't change...there won't be many of us left in business to go after if the old DMCA law isn't changed.

They are sending you free traffic or you're be economical with the truth. Suspended or closed?

To be fair to you, you're not the only one advertising there Live Jasmin do along with others. This is the link they use, can you prove that since the site was reveal to you they have not changed the link flirt4free.com/live/girls/?mp_code=a6s9h
No I find it amazing they waste money keeping a link there that sends you free traffic.

Because porn needs censorship. I saw the shit storm created in Denmark and Holland when censorship was stopped. Go read and be educated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Climax_Corporation

The creation of the content is illegal, the stopping of it's publication is censorship, are you saying we should have no censorship online? Well that's bullshit V. This board is censored and you post here, your webcams are censored and you do it or your bosses and you work for them.

I worked under heavy censorship while in the UK and the effect it had on my income was great. I made more money. You will still be able to advertise on sites giving away free porn, the costs might rise, you might have to support the sites having to buy content. But you'll still be able to advertise.

And that is the real hub of the anti brigade. The recent show in Prague had piracy sites with ads selling traffic and representatives there. I assume they are now at all shows. GTS list of sites to advertise on just one site supporting piracy, along with Juicy and many others here?

Piracy is big business. This law is designed not to censor the Internet like the rest of the offline world is, it's designed to stop piracy and the loss of billions of dollars.

Because we are clearly unable to self regulate. Because companies like yours are doing as they please and funding the theft of other people products. Your solution is more piracy?

Then give me a free plug in to your live shows. Or is that too much freedom? :1orglaugh

As for taxing your income. So are you now implying you dodge paying taxes with your online income?

Grow a back bone.

What it will do is stop people outside the US steal work from US based companies and sell it without giving money to the creator. It's an attempt to get pirates off the backs of creators of products. So the US creators can sell the product ad be taxed by the US Government.

This will result in more money flowing into the USA, more jobs, more investment, more profit and yes more tax revenues. It might mean less tax revenues for you personally. Because the US can repay some of the massive debt is racked up trying to keep your taxes down.

Today some of the tax you pay is to cover the lost revenue due to pirates outside the US. Or do you think the lost revenue isn't having an effect on your taxes?

Can you tell me where that's wrong?

By looking at piracy sites and advertising sites we can clearly see what big business it is. And it is for your company.

Before I take time to go and surf all the piracy sites trying to pull up more ads from your company. Maybe you would like to list them. To show clearly what side of the fence you're on. Because if we pull up a lot of the sites you have in your sig, you might just end up looking like an extreme funding source of piracy.

Fucking funniest thing you've written for ages.

Let's cut the BS about censorship and closing down online porn or any of the rest of the misleading BS.

Piracy is big business for those doing it or supporting it.

forumophilia.com/index.php run by our good friend papillon???

planetsuzy.org/ covered in ads. I'm being Geo targeted

orgybb.org supporting a file hoster who pays uploaders.

intporn.com/forums/ with Venzilla's company advertising on it.

forum.dumpstersluts.com/ more ads Cams.com, wiveson.com and mylesbogf.com

bbsex.org JuicyAds.com seems connected or was.

amateurpile.com ads from ero-adverttising to fuckforfreetonight.com

fritchy.com ads from datefree.com

This site fully accepts censorship, of content from sites that might sue them???? pornbb.org/viewtopic.php?t=43861

And as I go on the picture is clear. Lots of people have their nose in the trough of free porn. From here, some are advertising, some run them and maybe some submit pirated content to the file hosting companies that pay them. Then spend a lot of time going around these free boards promoting their pirated content.

This is about money and the censorship argument or regulating online is a blind. If this law comes in many will have to change the way they do business. I strongly suspect some of the anti guys here are just profiting from piracy and don't care if creators and owners lose. They win and that's all that counts.

So if sex between 15 year olds is legal in a country, should it be allowed online?

If sex between two married people say a 12 year old guy and a 30 year old man is legal in the country it's filmed. Should it be uncensored online?

Should an illegal act, be allowed to be published online? The act is illegal, the publishing of it isn't. Because that would be censorship.

If you answer, No = censorship and you're a hypocrite.

If you answer, Yes = you're true to your words.

I went on an anti-apartheid marches in the 90s. Does that make me black?

You ignored my very direct question. So here it is again.

So if sex between 15 year olds is legal in a country, should it be allowed online?

If sex between two married people say a 12 year old guy and a 30 year old man is legal in the country it's filmed. Should it be uncensored online?

Should an illegal act, be allowed to be published online? The act is illegal, the publishing of it isn't. Because that would be censorship.

If you answer, No = censorship and you're a hypocrite.

If you answer, Yes = you're true to your words.

Or ignore the question and let us form our own opinions.

The question also goes for any others using the "censorship" angle to back their argument to not regulate piracy.

Grow a brain, you actual trust politicians?

Still waiting to hear how you can pull links off someone else s site? Going off on rants without a fucking clue

You've ignored mine 3 times. If I support anti-aparteid, am I black? If you refuse to answer this question it means you think I am black.

Who is arguing piracy shouldn't be illegal? Aside from GG, but he is mental. I don't see anyone saying piracy should be legal. I see a lot of people saying this bill is ridiculous.

"Internet giants including Yahoo, Google, Facebook and the Consumer Electronics Association have joined forces to oppose the legislation, which they say would give the government too much power to shut down Web sites accused of pirating or counterfeiting content."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...QZN_story.html

Are you saying they are all pirates?

LOL!

Obviously they are MAGIC links, doofus.

I trust them about the same I trust lying sponsors.

I find it illogical they would still have that advert there after you had banned them and not paid them. Seems more logical you are saying one thing and doing another.

If you really want to convince us, not just me, that you've banned that site. Server them with a DMCA and their hosts, to remove the banner and redirect all their traffic to Google.

Are you a supporter of the present laws to remove pirated content are you not? :1orglaugh

I see Damian is still avoiding a straight question.

Anyone else think he's a pirate?

No I don't think you're black, just a person earning from piracy and scared this act will harm your income.

I can't believe I got you to post that. Fucking lol.

http://forum.419eater.com/forum/albu...php?pic_id=101

Same question I have been asking to you over and over, how do I take down the links on someone elses site? You keep avoiding that same straight question, why?

You can't take it down and if they choose to send you free traffic they have to be another of the "rogue affiliates" we hear so much about.

And logic tells me and others, something else.

You denying it. Doesn't look good to others or convincing.

This situation is a clear indication of why the laws need to be a lot tougher than they are today. No one but he and people at VS know what's happening here. Who owns Intporn.com and where are they and if sued through the courts will it be like trying to grab mist?

What ever that's a long process. Much better to lodge a complaint that shows them to be pirates and crash the site. These guys that run Intporn can't even be bothered to take down a banner on their site.

Why screw around, shut them down and if they want to appeal, let them turn up in court. Because clearly they are not responsible enough to remove a banner, getting them to adhere to loose laws like copyright and DMCA is a joke.

Also dragging in advertisers and making them culpable to damages will make them a lot more cautious about who they allow to promote them.

Or do you think irresponsible people like these should have the responsibility of running a site. And a powerful medium like the Internet?

Freedom has to be deserved and not abused.

LOL at people who think this will help to protect their copyrights and in the result increase their revenue. If you think so then think twice.
Piracy will not magically disappear but in some percentage it may migrate to other forms like p2p or physical datastorage exchange like in it's old good times with only that difference that now datastorage is dirt cheap. What it will do is that legit websites including yours might be in huge troubles. That's only my humble opinion.

i don't like vendzilla but i agree it is very unfair that paul somehow expects video secrets to take a banner off some site they don't own.

Yes...LOL at all of us who work hard. :1orglaugh
We are all so damn dumb! LOL, LOL, LOL!

This is just hilarious! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Maybe when you actually produce porn...it won't seem so goddamn funny to you anymore.

I won't sign it because Obama and the gang will not let that happen.

Don't worry be happy:thumbsup:thumbsup

So I am thinking most people on GFY don't produce adult material anymore? Will it stop Piracy? The police don't stop crime, but they can keep it under control. Let's just do that, keep piracy under control. let it migrate, then we can deal with that. I agree that google won't let their buds in the administration let this happen, but I can still dream. If it doesn't make me one more penny, I still like the idea of owning the rights to things I create. :)

And you know this because Vendzilla said so.................

If he's right, then obviously the law has to be a lot stronger. Because sites need to be stricter about who they allow to promote them and the running of these sites can't be so loose they can ignore the request to remove content they don't own. I assume they don't own the banner. so the present laws are clearly inadequate, even Vendzilla and you admit that.

The days of the Wild West online are coming to an end, whether those profiting or benefiting from it like it or not.

Why does it have to be speak of the devil :error

I heard on the news that today is cyber Black Monday. When it's expected close to $1 billion will e spent. If any here are foolish enough to think the Governments of the Western Countries, where most of the money will be spent and where the legit companies are based. Don't point out a few exception to shoot that down.

You're deluded beyond all hope of recovery. Maybe the online spend budget is as much as $200 billion. What is that in term of it's effect on economies, tax revenue and lowering the borrowing debt?

Or is it better to let the Internet lose money to sites based in Russia, Ukraine, etc?

Wipe out piracy in music to a great extent and suddenly iTunes can charge double or treble. Which is more money in the pockets of the big music companies. Employing more people, spending more and paying more taxes.

There will always be some piracy, but remove the vast amount we have today. = more revenue and better economies.

Solace will have to move Livejasmin's pop up ads off piracy sites. :(

They'll find other places that are legal to advertise on.

http://comicadze.com/thumbnails/angr...ure_97845.jpeg

http://heycletus.com/wp-content/uplo...gry_noodle.jpg

Yeah you wake up one day and there is nothing.:(

It'd be nice if instead of getting all indignant over losing the "virtual freedom" to steal...people would instead turn their attention to the fact that they allow themselves to be "piss tested", be spied on with the "patriot act", watched by "security cameras" on every street, searched like criminals at the airport, be told what we can read, think, and say...you know REAL freedoms that nobody is doing shit about.