300 compete with Twistys.

You really are stupid aren't you. Not a question.

Do you know what a decent wedding shooter charges for the day?

The skill of shooting people is your level of "People Skills." The photography part is very easy compared with that.

And how do you know some of the shooters were not trained in photography?

Many were. Take your stupidity to an amateur board.

And let's see proof you were trained in photography. your work shows decent amateur level. Nice but not going to make you any money. Let's have some proof you're not all talk.

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/Traile...us_Trailer.wmv

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/Traile...al_extract.wmv shot in your home

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/CEaffi...low/index.html

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/CEaffi...Log/index.html

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/CEaffi...NEW/index.html

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/CEaffi...ood/index.html

And the height of your talent.

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/angel.jpg

You have less talent than me on this content.

This will get some laughs. :thumbsup

who could compete with this work of genius?

http://www.youjizz.com/videos/paul-m...me-183889.html

Guess I'm not on the ignore list anymore. ( is the ignore thing like 24 hours? )

Does not matter how much a wedding photographer earns it bears no relation to his photographic skills. A whore may earn more than a doctor but I know who I ask for medical advice.

Maybe some were trained in photography, you were not.

My qualification and experience would be relevant if I set myself up as an expert. Telling others how to do things, like you do.

I am just pointing out, for the benefit of the young and naive, that you are not a photographer, have never trained as a photographer, have never won any awards for your photography, do not think reading books is good, etc etc, so not the best person to take photographic advice from.

Thank you for publicizing our material AGAIN, even you go through our site trying to find the worse pics to show, but thats fair game.

Does this look like it was shot in our home?

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/musical/Musical6S.jpg


This thread started with you refusing a challenge by Damian, that he could shoot a better scene than you. My monies still on Damian.

I never said I was a photographer. Never give anything but basic advice on photography. You dreamed that I did. like you dream you're an erotic photographer.

The pics are samples on your FHGs. The idea is to show people your best work. I assumed this was your best work. :1orglaugh

Your material shows your level and you claim you were trained. It looks like your training hasn't made you able to shoot anything above basic amateur.

This is what you should have on your site.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...136 0&bih=811

This is what a trained shooter can do.

http://www.thaicatwalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3888

http://www.thaicatwalk.com/forum/att...1&d=1230103266

This is what you do.

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/CEaffi...Erotique05.jpg

So stop trying to tell people that you have a clue. Your work says it all. You're not even bright enough to put a watermark on an images.

Paul Markham Quotes..

My job is "Photographer and Managing Director" from that I'm officially invalided


The problem of doing a master class is the first thing people have to learn is you can't shoot GOOD porn on a shoestring budget and if you could,...blah blah blah


My job is photographer and managing director.

I expect even if I produce the most outstanding porn scene ever most will flame me.

END

And that just after wading through a few of your postings...

Just go away, you may have made a few bucks in this business years ago but you're all washed up and one of those PM types that wishes shit didn't change. What's the large tube you run? Yeah fuck you.

Truthfully this is different niche photography, ones nude art ones nude porn, both glamour niche but both for different presentation

And you have?

Given I find that both dwelling on the past and dwelling on present/ future hypotheticals are both usually a waste of time, I think it's safe to say that dwelling on past hypotheticals is a huge waste of time. When compounded by the fact that debating anything with you is a almost always a huge waste time, I think it's reasonable to assume that I won't be touching that question.

But more importantly, why are you not only continuing to use 'could of' instead of 'could have', but increasing it's rate of use? You have the correct information. I handed it to you on a platter. Yet you choose to be wrong. Continuing to use 'could of' is infinitely more likely to drive others crazy than to result in it ever being correct. The whole thing is really just a microcosm of your gfy existence. lol

Just goes to show that you can take a tosser out of Staines, but you can never take the Staines out of a tosser.

My point exactly.

In saying this, you prove that improving at your craft was secondary to making money. That's fine in some cases and even the preferred mindset for some fields, but having that mindset in a creative field, especially one that evolves with a high level fluidity, will almost always come back to bite you in the ass.

Great quote. An architectural photographer friend of mine had a page on his website mentioning his availability to do weddings. It stuck out like a sore thumb. Here's his site. http://thomascummins.com/

and finally........
:banana:banana:banana:banana

"The skill of shooting people is your level of 'People Skills'.
The photography part is very easy compared with that."
- Paul Markham 10/30/2011

Thankfully, Paul was able to provide us with real, actual footage of him speaking those words and has graciously uploaded it to Youtube for our viewing pleasure.

LOL!
I do very well in this business.
Who are you again? Oh yeah..some jerk with a made up "nickname" like a little highschool bitch.
Suck my dick you pussy. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It's a great example of the business skills of online porn. I doubt if it has got any better. Most are stuck in a rut and remain there. Yes the time to change on that level is gone. Still is illustrates that the people many regarded as gurus, weren't so bright. Weren't and aren't.

I could of given a shit.

Quoting Cherry illustrates your level of thinking. He's wrong on this point and stupidly shows it. Do you think the top glamor guys were not selling to advertising companies? That's what companies like "Picture Bank" were for. Illustrates a level of intelligence that good grammar won't hide.

Stupid statement and you need to look at my work over the last 30 years to see how wrong it it. My craft wasn't photography, don't make the mistake of following Cherry down that route.

One guy is everyone. :1orglaugh

"The skill of shooting people is your level of 'People Skills'.
The photography part is very easy compared with that."
- Paul Markham 10/30/2011

Yes getting a camera to work right is easy, knowing how to get a model to work right is much harder.

Jimmy think harder before you post.

funny coming from you :thumbsup

on the sniff again?

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/upl...BL-231x300.jpg

ADG

Watch the master:



I can see how an octogenarian groping a teenager who can't speak english really highlights your people skills.

Did you tell her about your erection? I love that bit of advice.

In porn there are lots of different levels of revenue. Limiting it to only one is costly.

[QUOTE=Paul Markham;18526077]

My job is photographer and managing director.

I never said I was a photographer.

Yes getting a camera to work right is easy, knowing how to get a model to work right is much harder.

[QUOTE]


So on your door you have "photographer and managing director" but you are not a photographer. ?


If you think photography is easy that is because you don't know photography.


We use photography on our site "Cinema Erotique" but as the title says video is what we are selling.


http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/CE.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/CE1.jpg

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/CE2.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/CE4.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/CE12.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/CE13.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/CE9.jpg

You really work that system don't you Paul!

Some say an immigrant sponging benefits from a government when he is a millionaire is immoral. But you boast about it! Depriving people who actually need money when you have millions is a little bad, but fuck it, right, they are only fucking foreigners! LOL!

[QUOTE=Cherry7;18526147][QUOTE=Paul Markham;18526077]

My job is photographer and managing director.

I never said I was a photographer.

Yes getting a camera to work right is easy, knowing how to get a model to work right is much harder.

Sorry slip of the keyboard. My job is pornographer and managing director. With marketing and sales thrown in.

Well you're photography is amateur. And from what I've seen so are your videos.

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/Traile...us_Trailer.wmv

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/Traile...al_extract.wmv

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/Traile...l/Signal34.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/Traile...l/Signal03.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/Traile...l/Signal04.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/Traile...l/Signal05.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/Traile...l/Signal26.jpg

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/Traile...Pics/WFG01.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/Traile...Pics/WFG03.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/Traile...Pics/WFG04.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/Traile...Pics/WFG05.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/Traile...Pics/WFG06.jpg

Here's some advice. If you're selling video, put up FHGs with videos on them.

Your work says it all.

Top, top work :thumbsup

OK, fine. You win. I'll answer the question as it would just be too cruel to toy with you and hold out for much longer.

Yes, Paul, selling members area content offline is a great revenue stream. Hopefully Shap has been able to pry himself away from this stupid fucking thread, but if he's still inexplicably stuck here with the rest of us, maybe you should ask him about Twistys Members Only DVDs.

http://cdn.dvderotik.com/8/1/8155600...jpg?2010-11-04http://cdn.dvderotik.com/8/1/8155600...jpg?2011-01-21

http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/price_se...-(twistys).htm
http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/price_se...-(twistys).htm


Does this mean that you actually take pride in being wrong?

What is Picture Bank? And what advertising companies? I worked at J. Walter Thompson before moving to Zenith focuse solely on media planning/negotiating. I also interned at DDB right here in your hood (Prague not Staines). Pretty good companies for someone with my low level of thinking, but admittedly not nearly as prestigious as Astralmotherfuckingblue.


One guy is not everyone but the reasoning for advising 'one guy' to not mention wedding photography services on his art and architectural photography website was because of the generally negative perception it would have amongst everyone. Or at least pretty much everyone except for you. Sorry if I confused you.

OK, i've never been on a set, so I just want to ask one question. You do what you do to set up the camera and get it to work right and you also set up the lighting and all the other technical things. The model gets there, you have a chat, show off your world class people skills, make her comfortable, try get a vibe going and what not, and just make sure that everything model related is set up to work right. My question is that after the camera is set up to work right and after the model appears as if she will work right, how do you make sure that the photographer's brain is working right? Or is that something that can be overlooked?

Thank you. I will try.

:1orglaugh

Fatfoo? :error :helpme :upsidedow

ADG

Indeed, lol

Seeing the Hardcore BG I saw different level of porn quality. So Shap sold a small part of his site on DVD. Did he sell the sets to magazines as well? Solo girl, that's where the money is. DVD is more for Hardcore. So how many other sites did the same. Or does just a few doing it mean the vast number who didn't missed out on a great opportunity.

Yes I know a few did go over to DVD, better late than never.

If you worked in advertising you would know of this method of buying single pictures. Just a quick search.

http://www.picturebank.co.uk/

http://www.shutterstock.com/

Just different ways of monetising content. and this is how easy it is for people who own content to sell that content many times. Surprised someone who was in advertising didn't know of the brokers who were selling images.

http://www.photorama.nl/ even in porn it's a well know concept. And just how easy it was for people with good content to squeeze every dollar out of the content.

With this level of understanding of what a good pornographer does. You shouldn't be questioning me. In fact with this level of "man management" I'm left confused why you would even open yourself up to my answer. Or maybe you were just being sarcastic.

Being a pornographer needs different skills, some more important than others. Unless your going to start working in the top end of the glamor market, the "Photography" skills are very basic.

Set the lights, cameras, sound etc or with todays cameras and many niches, point and shoot. What ever the level once learned little changes, except light and sound in some locations can present different problems that are often the same or similar ways. Still once learned, it's easy to repeat. Unless you work in a very high end, which isn't anyone here.

Then a knowledge of porn and the niche. Otherwise the end product is wrong. Much like mixing a cake, you have to know the recipe and get the ingredients right.

Now the toughest part. Managing models. People are different, we all respond to different motivations. Need handling a different way. To bring out the best in us or the required performance to ensure the scene is good.

Models are not always easy people to deal with, very few come to work with any thought of having lots of orgasms. In fact the opposite is more likely the case. And we need a convincing performance from a girl who can't act, doesn't want to real fuck and get "dirty". To look like she will fuck a stranger for the kick of it. And when she does, she's really getting into it. Even if it's solo girl, she needs to put over a performance that convinces people.

Now that takes skills. If you look at the scenes of mine that were put on Tubes and read the comments. You see how well I can do it. If it's so easy, why are the comments so positive? The idiots here who post the links thinking it shames me are idiots. They should read the comments and look at the votes. Then try to figure out what I'm doing that surfers like and they can't see.

Handling models is often what shooting people is all about. Getting them to reflect the mood you need, to come out of their shell, to now be too scared or shy, not try to dominate and do it their way, not go onto auto pilot and float through the work.

If you look at Cherry's scene of the girls bumping and grinding to some bland music. You see clearly his lack of skills to motivate models. I get the impression they really don't know what he's trying to achieve. What ever it, they look like they're going through the motions. What ever his camera skills are they're wasted when he shoots girls who don't have a clue what they're trying to do. If you look at a lot of porn, you see this over and over.

Look at Christine and see a girl who knows what she's doing.

Yes please do.

yes maybe if shap was a success in the magazines he could have retired at half your age without having to be a benefits leech ... oh wait ...

Could of retired :thumbsup

Wow, almost 5,000 views to this thread already. Damian J is the master!!!!!

Let's disect this:

1. He trolled Paul Markham
2. Lured Shap out of retirement (not difficult when it consists of changing countless poopy diapers)
3. Used Manwin in the title

Now each one of these aspects are not difficult to do but to combine them into one thread title approaches brilliance.
I am in awe of you Damian J http://www.myemoticons.com/images/em...before-you.gif

Thanks. The key really was Paul lying. But he does that all the time, so it was something I could predict easily.

I give classes.

:D

I filled in a few you missed.

Oh Fuck don't blow this....

Now everyone will want to jump on-board.

I was hoping no one else would notice Damian's ploy.

Paul Markham's comedy gold threads are great advertising.

The way he shows the most awful movies to contrast with our movies, could we pay for better?


I dread I'll get an invoice from Damian any day.

It's OK, I do this as a public service.