IBill Cheques Bouncing? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

AmeliaG · 01-31-2003, 09:43 PM

Hmm, I only really promote one iBill program 'cause I signed up to do a couple of others, but then, after I made a few sales, I stopped being able to log in. iBill never replies to e-mails and when I finally called them after months (hey, I'm an internet girl, hate the phone) they told me that they were consolidating accounts with this big upgrade to their system and it should work after that. For some reason, the one first iBill revshare I signed up for always pays on time and I have no problem getting to the stats. Does anyone know anything about a consolidation thing? They only really owe me chump change as far as I know, so I'm not that worked up about it, but I would promote some of those programs if it were possible.

--Amelia G

rowan · 01-31-2003, 10:20 PM

I haven't seen anyone mention this yet, it's a simple solution - ask your bank if you can resubmit the check. I did it with some ifriends bounced checks last year with no problems, even though it had dot matrix printing all over it and some pretty big red stamped capital letters.

NETbilling · 01-31-2003, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Why would you have to send the originals back? I would think a fax copy front and back of the ones you have along with a copy of the bank notification should be more than sufficient for this situation.

They would stop payment on the checks you have in your possession and issue you new ones I would think.

That would be too logical...

Mitch

Brad Mitchell · 02-01-2003, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by netbilling

That would be too logical...

Mitch

Logic? What's that?

andi_germany · 02-01-2003, 03:36 AM

I have sites with CCBill and Lange manages this account. If you are used to IBill customer support you will be up for a treat. Emails get answered and the answer is a solution for your problem or question. As I have the direct comparison to IBill I can only say this to them:

FUCK YOU IBILL and your excuse for a so called 'Customer Service' and your fucked up way to do business.

Tipsy · 02-01-2003, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rowan
I haven't seen anyone mention this yet, it's a simple solution - ask your bank if you can resubmit the check. I did it with some ifriends bounced checks last year with no problems, even though it had dot matrix printing all over it and some pretty big red stamped capital letters.

...and get charged a second set of fees? I also redeposited on the instructions of ifriends and had them bounce a second time. It may be a simple solution but it's one that aint gonna work unless the problem causing them to bounce in the first place is resloved.

Mind you even this fax idea is pure bullshit. The solutions even simpler and has been said. Ibill fucked up so it's ibill's job to sort it out. They make sure the cheques didn't clear their end (I expect they already no for sure they didn't), cancel them and reissue new ones. NOTHING else should be involved. Of course a 'decent' company would also add an extra 30 bucks for costs incurred and goodwill but then ibill has shown itself to be very far from being a decent company.

wevegotmale · 02-01-2003, 10:47 AM

I can totally undersatand your frustration to your dilema. After all it is your

and iBill should have been better prepared for their clients in Canada.

Please, don't think that I am a bleeding heart to the current state of affairs as it pertains to iBill. I have done my research on the iBill situation. So everthing that I am writing is my opinion based on what I have found out about the iBill situation.

All the trouble started when the powers at Visa decided that IPSP's would need to follow a certain criteria if they wanted to process cards carrying the Visa logo. (You know, the $750.00 fee, and all of that bullshit!) Even though some processors have decided to ignore Visa's warnings (scared to lose their current clients) by not implying the fee, iBill, being the largest IPSP in the world, decided that they would need to follow these new regulations as 80-85% of all card holders are Visa. They could not afford to have this happen to their current business model.

Because there was a rush from their clients to register for the Visa fee, many, tried to find loop holes to avoid paying the fee. Many of the clients that opted to incorporate in Europe did not truly research their descision before incorporating there and as a result, many are finding that their descion to avoid the fee is alot more expensive than the fee it's self.

My suggestion, based on research, is to incorporate in the US. (Yes the fee would apply). Since the US and Canada share borders, many of the banking rules serve reciprocity, this would be the most expediant way to get paid.

Adult web owners have to stick together and the only way to do this is to follow the rules, as I am sure this is not the end. There are other payment cards out there and who is to say that they will not do the same thing that Visa has done. The rules are changing and no one is exempt.

Whether or not Visa wants to admit it because it is polically incorrect, there is a market for adult sites, and these sites do provide a valuable service. I would like to know how many of the executives spend time on their computers, away from the wives, kids, girlfriends, and fiance's choking their chicken after hours and on the weekends.

So let's stop blaming the processor and place blame where it really is. After all our customers earned their credit from Visa and should be able to use that credit anyhwere at anytime.

Cindyff · 02-01-2003, 10:57 AM

Treat Ibill like it has the plague. There are so many alternatives out there why even bother with these clowns

FATPad · 02-01-2003, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wevegotmale
I can totally undersatand your frustration to your dilema. After all it is your and iBill should have been better prepared for their clients in Canada.

Please, don't think that I am a bleeding heart to the current state of affairs as it pertains to iBill. I have done my research on the iBill situation. So everthing that I am writing is my opinion based on what I have found out about the iBill situation.

All the trouble started when the powers at Visa decided that IPSP's would need to follow a certain criteria if they wanted to process cards carrying the Visa logo. (You know, the $750.00 fee, and all of that bullshit!) Even though some processors have decided to ignore Visa's warnings (scared to lose their current clients) by not implying the fee, iBill, being the largest IPSP in the world, decided that they would need to follow these new regulations as 80-85% of all card holders are Visa. They could not afford to have this happen to their current business model.

Because there was a rush from their clients to register for the Visa fee, many, tried to find loop holes to avoid paying the fee. Many of the clients that opted to incorporate in Europe did not truly research their descision before incorporating there and as a result, many are finding that their descion to avoid the fee is alot more expensive than the fee it's self.

My suggestion, based on research, is to incorporate in the US. (Yes the fee would apply). Since the US and Canada share borders, many of the banking rules serve reciprocity, this would be the most expediant way to get paid.

Adult web owners have to stick together and the only way to do this is to follow the rules, as I am sure this is not the end. There are other payment cards out there and who is to say that they will not do the same thing that Visa has done. The rules are changing and no one is exempt.

Whether or not Visa wants to admit it because it is polically incorrect, there is a market for adult sites, and these sites do provide a valuable service. I would like to know how many of the executives spend time on their computers, away from the wives, kids, girlfriends, and fiance's choking their chicken after hours and on the weekends.

So let's stop blaming the processor and place blame where it really is. After all our customers earned their credit from Visa and should be able to use that credit anyhwere at anytime.

That's a copout.

I don't see ccbill or epoch bouncing checks.

I don't see a daily thread about how ccbill or epoch didn't pay someone.

No threads about how someone emailed ccbill or epoch 5 times over the course of 3 weeks and got useless answers all the time.

The VISA regs applied to all the processors, yet Ibill is the only one flailing around and having all sorts of problems that affect their clients.

btw, Ibill's problems started way before the VISA regs were put in place.

Tipsy · 02-01-2003, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wevegotmale
I can totally undersatand your frustration to your dilema. After all it is your and iBill should have been better prepared for their clients in Canada.

Please, don't think that I am a bleeding heart to the current state of affairs as it pertains to iBill. I have done my research on the iBill situation. So everthing that I am writing is my opinion based on what I have found out about the iBill situation.

All the trouble started when the powers at Visa decided that IPSP's would need to follow a certain criteria if they wanted to process cards carrying the Visa logo. (You know, the $750.00 fee, and all of that bullshit!) Even though some processors have decided to ignore Visa's warnings (scared to lose their current clients) by not implying the fee, iBill, being the largest IPSP in the world, decided that they would need to follow these new regulations as 80-85% of all card holders are Visa. They could not afford to have this happen to their current business model.

Because there was a rush from their clients to register for the Visa fee, many, tried to find loop holes to avoid paying the fee. Many of the clients that opted to incorporate in Europe did not truly research their descision before incorporating there and as a result, many are finding that their descion to avoid the fee is alot more expensive than the fee it's self.

My suggestion, based on research, is to incorporate in the US. (Yes the fee would apply). Since the US and Canada share borders, many of the banking rules serve reciprocity, this would be the most expediant way to get paid.

Adult web owners have to stick together and the only way to do this is to follow the rules, as I am sure this is not the end. There are other payment cards out there and who is to say that they will not do the same thing that Visa has done. The rules are changing and no one is exempt.

Whether or not Visa wants to admit it because it is polically incorrect, there is a market for adult sites, and these sites do provide a valuable service. I would like to know how many of the executives spend time on their computers, away from the wives, kids, girlfriends, and fiance's choking their chicken after hours and on the weekends.

So let's stop blaming the processor and place blame where it really is. After all our customers earned their credit from Visa and should be able to use that credit anyhwere at anytime.

I re-read this several times and still came to the same conclusion - it's the biggest load of drivel posted for a long while written by someone without a clue.

The problem simply lies from the fact that these days iBill doesn't seem to know it's ass from it's elbow and has some of the most incompetent management around. Hasn't iBill got a parent company? If so you'd have thought they would have realised there are major problems by now and had a major shakeup to weed out those that most definately are the weakest link.

wonton · 02-01-2003, 02:20 PM

If you are Canadian just switch to Glo-Bill. No $750 Visa fee. No $1500 Mastercard fee and you actually get paid!

Kimmykim · 02-01-2003, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by netbilling

That would be too logical...

Mitch

Sorry, I don't know where my head was.

Brad Mitchell · 02-01-2003, 09:25 PM

Will the real slim shady please stand up?

antigravityboy · 02-01-2003, 10:36 PM

If I had to do it all over again I would have cancelled my members when they lied about sending the 12/15 check, but I didn't and they ended up with another month and a half of free money for me.
So if you want my advice, switch to another reputable company now.
They are becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy to bankruptcy.

What happens when a bank is on shaky ground and people know about, they of course are worried about their money in the bank so they go and withdrawl from the bank before it goes under. When everybody does this the already shaky bank collapses because they cannot cover all the withdrawals.
In Ibill's case they try to cover now by not paying some people, but I don't think that strategy is going to work.

KDizzla · 02-01-2003, 11:45 PM

ahh...

KD

Brad Mitchell · 02-02-2003, 08:51 AM

So will we know more Monday about when you're all getting paid?

pugels · 02-02-2003, 11:19 AM

Glo-Bill processes for Canadians using all major credit cards. They don't tell you that you can only process M/C. They also pay out weekly and have been very reliable. There turn around time for me on all emails has been less than an hour.

pugels · 02-02-2003, 11:20 AM

Forgot to mention there is no registering and waiting a week to get your site reviewed for activation. That saved me 1500 dollars and I started making money the same day my site came online.

cmwkings · 02-02-2003, 03:42 PM

I CONSIDER MYSELF LUCKY AFTER WHAT SOME OF YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH. THEY OWNED ME $38k FOR 45 DAYS WHICH INCREASED TO OVER $53k AND THEN I HAD TO CONSOLIDATE ALL MY MASTER ACCOUNTS INTO ONE MERCHANT AFTER THEY CLIPPED ME FOR THE $750. IN RETROSPECT THEY COULD HAVE DEMANDED $750 FOR ALL MY MASTER ACCOUNTS BUT THEY SURPRISINGLY DID NOT. I GUESS IT WAS DUE TO THE FACT OF MY VOLUME.

ONE THING I DID NOTICE.....MY SIGNUPS DROPPED OFF CONSIDERABLY FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON CONSIDERING MY TRAFFIC STAYED CONSTANT. ONCE I GOT MY CASH, I SWITCHED ALL MY SITES TO ANOTHER PROCESSOR AND MY RATIOS WERE BACK TO NORMAL.....ANYONE EVER CATCH THEM SHAVING??? LIKE A FOOL, I NEVER INVESTED IN ONE OF THOSE SUBSCRIPTION SITE MONITORING SCRIPTS LIKE MASTERGATE OR THE LIKE...I WAS TOO BUSY FILTERING TRAFFIC...THEY NOW OWE ME OVER $20k AS I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A CHECK SINCE 12/15...BASTARDS

YOU WOULD THINK AFTER YOU GENERATE 7 DIGITS IN REVENUE, THEY WOULD BEND OVER BACKWARDS...FUCK NO! THEY'LL PROBABLY FUCK ME IN THE ASS WITH MY REMAINING REBILLS...IF I DON'T GET A CHECK SOON, THEN I'LL FUCKING CANCEL ALL MY REMAINING REBILLS SO THOSE FUCKS DON'T GET DICK. I CONFIRMED MY BANKING INFORMATION 3 FUCKIN' TIMES SINCE 12/15!!!! I'VE HAD THE SAME INFO FOR 1 1/2 YEARS...COCK SUCKERS......THEY PROBABLY OVER EXTENDED THEMSELVES WITH ALL THOSE NEEDLESS EQUIPMENT UPGRADES AND SOFTWARE RE-ENGINEERING. LIKE THE OLD SAYING GOES...DON'T FUCKING FIX IT IF IT AIN'T BROKE!!!!

Kimmykim · 02-02-2003, 03:47 PM

no need to SCREAM dude, we can feel your pain just fine in a normal tone of voice

Brad Mitchell · 02-02-2003, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
no need to SCREAM dude, we can feel your pain just fine in a normal tone of voice

Maybe his keyboard is broken.... or the keys stick...

Cogitator · 02-03-2003, 03:16 AM

Quote:

THEY PROBABLY OVER EXTENDED THEMSELVES WITH ALL THOSE NEEDLESS EQUIPMENT UPGRADES AND SOFTWARE RE-ENGINEERING. LIKE THE OLD SAYING GOES...DON'T FUCKING FIX IT IF IT AIN'T BROKE!!!!

cmwking - You may be right about that one...

TheRedZone · 02-03-2003, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton
If you are Canadian just switch to Glo-Bill. No $750 Visa fee. No $1500 Mastercard fee and you actually get paid!

Globill and a few other processors won't touch me because I'm not running a membership site, I'm selling adspace. I've also got a couple of other non-membership sites selling Phone Sex and ChatLine time.

I've had PayPal as an alternate for a couple of years and also got set up with ACPay back in Nov, they're now my primary processor and IBill will be completely off all my sites by the end of the day.

KingK7 · 02-03-2003, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cmwkings
I CONFIRMED MY BANKING INFORMATION 3 FUCKIN' TIMES SINCE 12/15!!!! I'VE HAD THE SAME INFO FOR 1 1/2 YEARS...COCK SUCKERS......

Same situation here. These IDIOTS need 10 fucking business days to verify wire info???
It now says it is verified, I will be VERY surprised if these clowns actually make the payout today though.

TheRedZone · 02-03-2003, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire
So will we know more Monday about when you're all getting paid?

I'll keep you posted on my progress but I don't even have the original cheques right now. I expect that I'll get the first one in the mail sometime this week but there's a second I deposited on Jan 30th that's floating around the banking system somewhere waiting to bounce.

I'm off to the bank this morning to see if I can confirm IBill's explanation of the problem and try to get those cheques as soon as possible.

I won't really know when I'm getting paid until the replacement funds from IBill land in my account and stay there. If IBill sticks to their guns with this "send us the originals and then we'll issue a replacement" crap it will be weeks before I see my cash.

KingK7 · 02-03-2003, 07:39 AM

I just called, and they verified that the wire WILL go out today.

iBill-Cathy · 02-03-2003, 09:56 AM

A number of Canadian clients that have registered and incorporated in the EU have had issues with cashing our Wachovia London checks. This problem is intermittent and has not affected all clients that are banking in Canada. We have asked these clients to either mail back their check or allow us to place a stop payment on the check. We have also asked that these clients please update their payout info to wire.

Brad Mitchell · 02-03-2003, 10:05 AM

Great... Now for everyone else that you are delaying wires on, please send them out so they can pay their bills.

TheRedZone · 02-03-2003, 01:28 PM

Status Report:

My bank (TD) is confiming what IBill told me, that they are having trouble clearing the cheques through the standard automated processes due to there being "something wrong" with the coding along the bottom of the cheque.

They pulled the funds from my account while they put the cheque in for "Collection". Basically they are attempting to process it manually and the funds will "probably" show up in my account in 1-2 weeks if they are successful. If they are unsuccessful it will be at least 2 weeks before I can get my hands on the cheque itself, return it to IBill and get some form of reimbursement.

So, officially IBill's European cheques are not "Bad", it's just that they're not particularly "Good" at any given Canadian bank.

I'm kind of lucky in that IBill only represents a small percentage of my total revenue and my business is fairly flush right now. This kind of unexpected interruption in cashflow could easily put a guy out of business if he was on the edge to begin with.

directfiesta · 02-03-2003, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iBill-Cathy
A number of Canadian clients that have registered and incorporated in the EU have had issues with cashing our Wachovia London checks.

I am not receiving at all checks from you since 12/15/2002 ( account a71375 if you doubt...), so it is not an issue for me: you are keeping the money!

But why did we have to incorporate in the US, Pay Visa US to receive checks from LONDON bank????

What about a good ole fucking american bank???? ( Barret is in Florida along with a huge number of them).

I personnally have given up with you guys and am calling my visa card bank to start a chargeback procedure on the 750.00 fee ( you did not deliver the merchandise).

jerryfan2000 · 02-13-2003, 02:52 PM

I am with CIBC. And my ibill check was returned also. But I haven't called my banker regarding this issue. Hopefully they put the check in collection also instead of bouncing it. ........:<

stocktrader23 · 02-13-2003, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wevegotmale
I can totally undersatand your frustration to your dilema. After all it is your and iBill should have been better prepared for their clients in Canada.

Please, don't think that I am a bleeding heart to the current state of affairs as it pertains to iBill. I have done my research on the iBill situation. So everthing that I am writing is my opinion based on what I have found out about the iBill situation.

All the trouble started when the powers at Visa decided that IPSP's would need to follow a certain criteria if they wanted to process cards carrying the Visa logo. (You know, the $750.00 fee, and all of that bullshit!) Even though some processors have decided to ignore Visa's warnings (scared to lose their current clients) by not implying the fee, iBill, being the largest IPSP in the world, decided that they would need to follow these new regulations as 80-85% of all card holders are Visa. They could not afford to have this happen to their current business model.

Because there was a rush from their clients to register for the Visa fee, many, tried to find loop holes to avoid paying the fee. Many of the clients that opted to incorporate in Europe did not truly research their descision before incorporating there and as a result, many are finding that their descion to avoid the fee is alot more expensive than the fee it's self.

My suggestion, based on research, is to incorporate in the US. (Yes the fee would apply). Since the US and Canada share borders, many of the banking rules serve reciprocity, this would be the most expediant way to get paid.

Adult web owners have to stick together and the only way to do this is to follow the rules, as I am sure this is not the end. There are other payment cards out there and who is to say that they will not do the same thing that Visa has done. The rules are changing and no one is exempt.

Whether or not Visa wants to admit it because it is polically incorrect, there is a market for adult sites, and these sites do provide a valuable service. I would like to know how many of the executives spend time on their computers, away from the wives, kids, girlfriends, and fiance's choking their chicken after hours and on the weekends.

So let's stop blaming the processor and place blame where it really is. After all our customers earned their credit from Visa and should be able to use that credit anyhwere at anytime.

What a load of shit. Ibill created their own damn problems and THEY need to fix them.

And about the visa charge. Ibill is suffering more than others for several reasons. An example that comes to mind is this.

Ibill figured in their cut of the $750 fee into their earnings estimates. They must have assumed everyone would pay this. When they announced the fee many of their clients left Ibill. Now, they not only lost revenue from the customers that left but also lost their "projected" revenue from their piece of the Visa fee. This made their earnings go to shit and on the announcement their stock value took a swan dive. Ibill handled this like a bunch of idiots. If I made millions from my clients I definately wouldn't make them pay more than Visa is receiving on the fee and I would have covered it for any account that was making me money.

Masturbationman · 02-13-2003, 03:07 PM

When this happened to me they just put a stop payment on the check and issued me another one the cleared just fine. I think the problem was that the check did not say US funds on it. Anyway I know have wire setup.

Masturbaiton Man

scoreman · 02-13-2003, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WarChild
I just got ibill spam to an old merchant account email address. They're giving away a free, red, C5 corvette.

They gotta pay for that somehow you know.

Daymon

Actually they paid for that promotion by not doing any free booze/food parties at the Internext in Las Vegas this past January.

scoreman · 02-13-2003, 03:19 PM

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FATPad · 02-13-2003, 03:48 PM

They're not giving away a red Corvette.

They're giving away a one year lease on a red Corvette.

scoreman · 02-13-2003, 03:53 PM

Take the cash FATPAD! Its like 15k as the alternative prize and you dont have to pay for all them scratches you would get running the Vette hog wild up there in the sticks. Plus you could use the money to buy yourself and yer buddy Dave from Miami a nice Plasma screen to Ghost Recon on!

FATPad · 02-13-2003, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scoreman
Take the cash FATPAD! Its like 15k as the alternative prize and you dont have to pay for all them scratches you would get running the Vette hog wild up there in the sticks. Plus you could use the money to buy yourself and yer buddy Dave from Miami a nice Plasma screen to Ghost Recon on!

HAHA

AM Jeff · 02-13-2003, 04:17 PM

Yanno whats fuckin funny over all this?

People have been bitching about I-Bills problems and everyone is aware of the problems they are having.
It's no secret.

But hat is REALLY fucked up.

You guys still continue to process with them.

Sorry..but ya keep getting bit and ya still go back for more.

sneaker · 02-13-2003, 05:13 PM

Kind of an old thead but I will add my 2 cents, never send back the original checks if they bounced until they have taken care of the balanced owed.

TheRedZone · 02-13-2003, 08:04 PM

Since the thread has come back to life I thought I'd post an update...

There's no change.

1st cheque deposited on Jan 21st, funds pulled from my account Jan 31st, bank put cheque in for "collection", I checked with them today and they told me to give them another week.

2nd cheque deposited Jan 30th, funds pulled from my account Feb 8th, bank put cheque in for "collection". They tell me it will take a few weeks to process.

3rd cheque sitting in my inbox, Ibill says "deposit it, it should be good" my bank says "deposit it, you will eventually get the money"

I'm now processing with ACPay, no Visa fees, no 10%/6month reserve and the cheques (from Dec & early Jan) are clearing no problem.

Why don't I switch to wire transfer from Ibill?
Because I'm not sending them any new transactions and I don't have any rebills. I'll be down to just getting my reserves paid out in a few weeks and the bank fees on the transfer will be 5-10% of the cheque amounts. I can wait the 4 or more weeks it will take for the cheques to clear, I make most of my money elsewhere.

smut4all · 02-13-2003, 08:08 PM

Got my check on monday deposited it on monday, cleared on wednesday. No prob. Ibill is doing a fine job for me.

models · 02-14-2003, 11:05 PM

ibill's check was ok for us. (USA)

01-31-2003, 09:43 PM	#51
AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,643	Hmm, I only really promote one iBill program 'cause I signed up to do a couple of others, but then, after I made a few sales, I stopped being able to log in. iBill never replies to e-mails and when I finally called them after months (hey, I'm an internet girl, hate the phone) they told me that they were consolidating accounts with this big upgrade to their system and it should work after that. For some reason, the one first iBill revshare I signed up for always pays on time and I have no problem getting to the stats. Does anyone know anything about a consolidation thing? They only really owe me chump change as far as I know, so I'm not that worked up about it, but I would promote some of those programs if it were possible. --Amelia G __________________ GFY Hall of Famer AltStar Hall of Famer Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio

02-01-2003, 10:36 PM	#64
antigravityboy Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: somwhere between heaven and hell Posts: 109	If I had to do it all over again I would have cancelled my members when they lied about sending the 12/15 check, but I didn't and they ended up with another month and a half of free money for me. So if you want my advice, switch to another reputable company now. They are becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy to bankruptcy. What happens when a bank is on shaky ground and people know about, they of course are worried about their money in the bank so they go and withdrawl from the bank before it goes under. When everybody does this the already shaky bank collapses because they cannot cover all the withdrawals. In Ibill's case they try to cover now by not paying some people, but I don't think that strategy is going to work. __________________ Expect nothing, you will not be disappointed.

02-01-2003, 11:45 PM	#65
KDizzla Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: South Hampton Posts: 1,795	ahh... KD __________________ www.ogrish.com

02-02-2003, 08:51 AM	#66
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,813	So will we know more Monday about when you're all getting paid? __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

02-02-2003, 03:42 PM	#69
cmwkings Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 461	I CONSIDER MYSELF LUCKY AFTER WHAT SOME OF YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH. THEY OWNED ME $38k FOR 45 DAYS WHICH INCREASED TO OVER $53k AND THEN I HAD TO CONSOLIDATE ALL MY MASTER ACCOUNTS INTO ONE MERCHANT AFTER THEY CLIPPED ME FOR THE $750. IN RETROSPECT THEY COULD HAVE DEMANDED $750 FOR ALL MY MASTER ACCOUNTS BUT THEY SURPRISINGLY DID NOT. I GUESS IT WAS DUE TO THE FACT OF MY VOLUME. ONE THING I DID NOTICE.....MY SIGNUPS DROPPED OFF CONSIDERABLY FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON CONSIDERING MY TRAFFIC STAYED CONSTANT. ONCE I GOT MY CASH, I SWITCHED ALL MY SITES TO ANOTHER PROCESSOR AND MY RATIOS WERE BACK TO NORMAL.....ANYONE EVER CATCH THEM SHAVING??? LIKE A FOOL, I NEVER INVESTED IN ONE OF THOSE SUBSCRIPTION SITE MONITORING SCRIPTS LIKE MASTERGATE OR THE LIKE...I WAS TOO BUSY FILTERING TRAFFIC...THEY NOW OWE ME OVER $20k AS I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A CHECK SINCE 12/15...BASTARDS YOU WOULD THINK AFTER YOU GENERATE 7 DIGITS IN REVENUE, THEY WOULD BEND OVER BACKWARDS...FUCK NO! THEY'LL PROBABLY FUCK ME IN THE ASS WITH MY REMAINING REBILLS...IF I DON'T GET A CHECK SOON, THEN I'LL FUCKING CANCEL ALL MY REMAINING REBILLS SO THOSE FUCKS DON'T GET DICK. I CONFIRMED MY BANKING INFORMATION 3 FUCKIN' TIMES SINCE 12/15!!!! I'VE HAD THE SAME INFO FOR 1 1/2 YEARS...COCK SUCKERS......THEY PROBABLY OVER EXTENDED THEMSELVES WITH ALL THOSE NEEDLESS EQUIPMENT UPGRADES AND SOFTWARE RE-ENGINEERING. LIKE THE OLD SAYING GOES...DON'T FUCKING FIX IT IF IT AIN'T BROKE!!!! __________________ NO SHAMELESS PLUGS...JUST INFO & COMMENTS

01-31-2003, 10:20 PM	#52
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	I haven't seen anyone mention this yet, it's a simple solution - ask your bank if you can resubmit the check. I did it with some ifriends bounced checks last year with no problems, even though it had dot matrix printing all over it and some pretty big red stamped capital letters.

02-01-2003, 03:36 AM	#55
andi_germany Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 768	I have sites with CCBill and Lange manages this account. If you are used to IBill customer support you will be up for a treat. Emails get answered and the answer is a solution for your problem or question. As I have the direct comparison to IBill I can only say this to them: FUCK YOU IBILL and your excuse for a so called 'Customer Service' and your fucked up way to do business.

02-01-2003, 10:47 AM	#57
wevegotmale Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 7	I can totally undersatand your frustration to your dilema. After all it is your and iBill should have been better prepared for their clients in Canada. Please, don't think that I am a bleeding heart to the current state of affairs as it pertains to iBill. I have done my research on the iBill situation. So everthing that I am writing is my opinion based on what I have found out about the iBill situation. All the trouble started when the powers at Visa decided that IPSP's would need to follow a certain criteria if they wanted to process cards carrying the Visa logo. (You know, the $750.00 fee, and all of that bullshit!) Even though some processors have decided to ignore Visa's warnings (scared to lose their current clients) by not implying the fee, iBill, being the largest IPSP in the world, decided that they would need to follow these new regulations as 80-85% of all card holders are Visa. They could not afford to have this happen to their current business model. Because there was a rush from their clients to register for the Visa fee, many, tried to find loop holes to avoid paying the fee. Many of the clients that opted to incorporate in Europe did not truly research their descision before incorporating there and as a result, many are finding that their descion to avoid the fee is alot more expensive than the fee it's self. My suggestion, based on research, is to incorporate in the US. (Yes the fee would apply). Since the US and Canada share borders, many of the banking rules serve reciprocity, this would be the most expediant way to get paid. Adult web owners have to stick together and the only way to do this is to follow the rules, as I am sure this is not the end. There are other payment cards out there and who is to say that they will not do the same thing that Visa has done. The rules are changing and no one is exempt. Whether or not Visa wants to admit it because it is polically incorrect, there is a market for adult sites, and these sites do provide a valuable service. I would like to know how many of the executives spend time on their computers, away from the wives, kids, girlfriends, and fiance's choking their chicken after hours and on the weekends. So let's stop blaming the processor and place blame where it really is. After all our customers earned their credit from Visa and should be able to use that credit anyhwere at anytime.

02-01-2003, 10:57 AM	#58
Cindyff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,187	Treat Ibill like it has the plague. There are so many alternatives out there why even bother with these clowns

02-01-2003, 02:20 PM	#61
wonton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 802	If you are Canadian just switch to Glo-Bill. No $750 Visa fee. No $1500 Mastercard fee and you actually get paid!

02-01-2003, 09:25 PM	#63
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,813	Will the real slim shady please stand up?

02-02-2003, 11:19 AM	#67
pugels Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.S. Posts: 13	Glo-Bill processes for Canadians using all major credit cards. They don't tell you that you can only process M/C. They also pay out weekly and have been very reliable. There turn around time for me on all emails has been less than an hour.

02-02-2003, 11:20 AM	#68
pugels Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.S. Posts: 13	Forgot to mention there is no registering and waiting a week to get your site reviewed for activation. That saved me 1500 dollars and I started making money the same day my site came online.

02-02-2003, 03:47 PM	#70
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	no need to SCREAM dude, we can feel your pain just fine in a normal tone of voice

02-03-2003, 07:39 AM	#76
KingK7 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 6,372	I just called, and they verified that the wire WILL go out today.

02-03-2003, 09:56 AM	#77
iBill-Cathy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 61	A number of Canadian clients that have registered and incorporated in the EU have had issues with cashing our Wachovia London checks. This problem is intermittent and has not affected all clients that are banking in Canada. We have asked these clients to either mail back their check or allow us to place a stop payment on the check. We have also asked that these clients please update their payout info to wire.

02-03-2003, 10:05 AM	#78
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,813	Great... Now for everyone else that you are delaying wires on, please send them out so they can pay their bills.

02-03-2003, 01:28 PM	#79
TheRedZone Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hanging on your every word... Posts: 147	Status Report: My bank (TD) is confiming what IBill told me, that they are having trouble clearing the cheques through the standard automated processes due to there being "something wrong" with the coding along the bottom of the cheque. They pulled the funds from my account while they put the cheque in for "Collection". Basically they are attempting to process it manually and the funds will "probably" show up in my account in 1-2 weeks if they are successful. If they are unsuccessful it will be at least 2 weeks before I can get my hands on the cheque itself, return it to IBill and get some form of reimbursement. So, officially IBill's European cheques are not "Bad", it's just that they're not particularly "Good" at any given Canadian bank. I'm kind of lucky in that IBill only represents a small percentage of my total revenue and my business is fairly flush right now. This kind of unexpected interruption in cashflow could easily put a guy out of business if he was on the edge to begin with. __________________ My IQ is higher than my postcount, but it hasn't really helped me that much....

02-13-2003, 02:52 PM	#81
jerryfan2000 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 79	I am with CIBC. And my ibill check was returned also. But I haven't called my banker regarding this issue. Hopefully they put the check in collection also instead of bouncing it. ........:<

02-13-2003, 03:07 PM	#83
Masturbationman Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 283	When this happened to me they just put a stop payment on the check and issued me another one the cleared just fine. I think the problem was that the check did not say US funds on it. Anyway I know have wire setup. Masturbaiton Man

02-13-2003, 03:19 PM	#85
scoreman Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,491	[deleted] __________________

02-13-2003, 03:48 PM	#86
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	They're not giving away a red Corvette. They're giving away a one year lease on a red Corvette. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

02-13-2003, 03:53 PM	#87
scoreman Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,491	Take the cash FATPAD! Its like 15k as the alternative prize and you dont have to pay for all them scratches you would get running the Vette hog wild up there in the sticks. Plus you could use the money to buy yourself and yer buddy Dave from Miami a nice Plasma screen to Ghost Recon on! __________________

02-13-2003, 04:17 PM	#89
AM Jeff Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The House Of Rage Posts: 1,320	Yanno whats fuckin funny over all this? People have been bitching about I-Bills problems and everyone is aware of the problems they are having. It's no secret. But hat is REALLY fucked up. You guys still continue to process with them. Sorry..but ya keep getting bit and ya still go back for more.

02-13-2003, 05:13 PM	#90
sneaker So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 251	Kind of an old thead but I will add my 2 cents, never send back the original checks if they bounced until they have taken care of the balanced owed.

02-13-2003, 08:04 PM	#91
TheRedZone Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hanging on your every word... Posts: 147	Since the thread has come back to life I thought I'd post an update... There's no change. 1st cheque deposited on Jan 21st, funds pulled from my account Jan 31st, bank put cheque in for "collection", I checked with them today and they told me to give them another week. 2nd cheque deposited Jan 30th, funds pulled from my account Feb 8th, bank put cheque in for "collection". They tell me it will take a few weeks to process. 3rd cheque sitting in my inbox, Ibill says "deposit it, it should be good" my bank says "deposit it, you will eventually get the money" I'm now processing with ACPay, no Visa fees, no 10%/6month reserve and the cheques (from Dec & early Jan) are clearing no problem. Why don't I switch to wire transfer from Ibill? Because I'm not sending them any new transactions and I don't have any rebills. I'll be down to just getting my reserves paid out in a few weeks and the bank fees on the transfer will be 5-10% of the cheque amounts. I can wait the 4 or more weeks it will take for the cheques to clear, I make most of my money elsewhere. __________________ My IQ is higher than my postcount, but it hasn't really helped me that much....

02-13-2003, 08:08 PM	#92
smut4all Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 583	Got my check on monday deposited it on monday, cleared on wednesday. No prob. Ibill is doing a fine job for me. __________________ Party Poker $25 Free with your first deposit

02-14-2003, 11:05 PM	#93
models Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 118	ibill's check was ok for us. (USA)