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Guess that's just as believable as the official story.
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There absolutely were explosions heard before collapse... its on film and in many many testimonials.
There is also footage of the pentagon attack. unfortunately only a few frames were released and not a whole video... after being edited.
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it's a lose-lose. the government was either behind it or too lame to stop it.
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I'm telling you. It's the aliens.
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Secondly, the rush/roar of the fall of the buildings would have masked the sounds of traditional explosions. Finally, the "demolition" or whatever would have been covert, and the dust sample tests showed the existence of incendiary thermate which burns like hell but doesn't create a bang-pow reaction. Quote:
They also describe how the fires went out when they ran out of fuel, and moved on to other sections that had carpeting, wood, paper, etc... nothing that could have affected the steel, And regardless of "earthquake and having billions of tons of concrete dropped at it's doorstep", buildings like this have never "sometimes" fallen. They are built to withstand up to five times their load, and have never collapsed - ever- due to fire or physical damage. .
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you are deluded dude. why discuss anything with you. you can present overwhelming evidence that your theories are flawed let you still don't get it. just a robot parroting the talking points of the 9/11 cult. sad.
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The delusion lies in the person who just listens to news and accepts everything they see...\ :D
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maybe if 9/11 truthers spent less time trying to find answers to questions that only other losers with nothing else happening in their life are asking, they would be more gainfully employed and less living-in-their-parents-basement-y and socially outcast.
Oh wait what? there are famous scienticians and professors who are truthers? Shocking, people who are socially inept and spend their whole life hanging out with books? ooohhh credible, yum. Ironically, it's the truthers who are incapable of thinking for themselves - you ARE THE SHEEP, self perpetuating your insanity in a giant cluster-fuck if stupidity, stroking eachothers' e-peens with "theories" and "arguments" and "evidence". 9/11 is your religion and you are just as ignorant and obtuse as some religious nutbar, and yet the arrogance and smarminess overpowers you... it's pathetic.
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So from your previous post, you say the Twin Towers were built to withstand a plane crashing into them? So the Twin Towers, built in the late '60's and opened in the early '70's, were built to withstand impact from modern airplanes? Really? Even with today's technology you could build a tower that you believe can withstand a plane crash, but until a plane actually crashes into it you are purely speculating. Un-fucking-believeble...
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Unfortunately some of those "anonymous" bloggers do more research and corroboration than the TV news, or at least ask more pertinent questions. I believe what people who built those towers say. I also pay a little more attention to what government bodies like NIST and the FBI say regarding this situation, with regards to WTC7 and bin Laden respectively. Modern planes are lighter and contain more aluminum, less steel, than airliners did in the 60s and early 70s, when the WTC was built. :D
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ps: i think what the mainstream media reports is bullshit, but i found the reality of the 9/11 truth cult to be even more full of shit.[/QUOTE] I haven't posted anything to "debunk". I have repeated things that were published or established. I look at those buildings falling and the first thing that springs to mind is "demolition". That's my one "belief", but it's corroborated by facts and studies that make my "belief" more rational than the story we're told. I'm not hearing any facts coming from you, just derisions and name-calling. Just look up things like molten metal, free fall "collapse" and reports from people who were either in the building or nearby. The official story collapses when confronted with facts. I'm not saying who did it or what happened. I'm just saying that the story the government fed the media is bullshit, and the event needs a real investigation. :D
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Or perhaps there's a lot about engineering and physics you don't know? You say in a previous reply "I'm not repeating anything without having first confirmed it for myself. I have researched this, as well as simply using common sense looking at the videos..." How did you confirm the steel didn't melt? You took some samples of the steel, right? Or no? How did you confirm there were planted explosives? You interviewed people who were there? ...and did chemical and other physical analysis of the debris, right? Or no? How did you confirm WTC7 wasn't badly damaged due to the falling debris? How you know for sure that WTC7 was intentionally brought down? Surely, not from the videos, because in all of them (at least all I've seen) WTC7's collapse is somewhat obscured. Do you have hi-res, unobstructed, clear video of WTC7 collapsing? Or no? On an aside, are you familiar with Occam's Razor? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor Quote:
As for whether the U.S. government knew an attack was imminent and allowed it to happen is another matter - it's possible the U.S. government did (there is much precedence for that, including Pearl Harbor), but that still doesn't mean anyone intentionally brought down the towers - no need, just the sight of airliners crashing into them would be enough justification for the Iraq war, the PATRIOT Act, creation of Homeland Security, etc. In summery, often the truth is the middle - did the U.S. government allow the attacks to happen, very possibly ... but were towers 1, 2, and 7 intentionally demolished, most likely not. Again, Occam's Razor comes to mind. Ron
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I've always wondered at the smooth-as-butter penetration of all parts of the airplanes into the buildings. Is it accountable by their velocity and mass? Is there something to the construction of the external supports that should have been investigated? But then, all the evidence was removed before there could be an investigation, and it seems to be a completely ignored point. The engines were the only parts of the aircraft that could have seriously damaged or cut through the inner structural supports, though the remaining steel of the planes should have done some damage - what I'm saying is when they built the WTC, they took into account planes which were heavier than those that exist today and claimed that the buildings could withstand more than one impact each. Logically, single impacts from modern airframes should not have taken them down completely. Quote:
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There's the length of time it took to come down. There's the fact that somehow all three buildings fit much of their mass into their (multiple) basements, leaving relatively low rubble piles considering these shouldn't have been removed/blown out of the way by a top-down gravity collapse. There are many other occurrences and details that can't be explained by the government theory. One of the most telling "details" to me though is, to paraphrase Norman Mineta's (suppressed) 9/11 Commission testimony, that if something happens one time, it's an accident; twice, and it's a pattern, but three times means it's a program. Three buildings collapse in a historically unprecedented, similar and smooth manner in an average ten seconds time frame each all on the same day. Coincidence and happenstance?? Quote:
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those planes were fueled for a cross the US flight, so they had a huge load of jet fuel (refined diesel).
btw, have you ever heard that if you hit water at a high speed it is similar to hitting concrete. these planes were going around 500 mph, they could have been made off goo and still would have made a huge penetration into that building. what the Norweigan says makes sense, perhaps this could even provide logic to the "incendiary" found in the dust.
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Not believing in this bulshit doesn't mean we don't question our government and the media, we all do that daily. It just means we know the difference between what an actual fact is and what is science fiction and speculation.
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NIST, FEMA and the 9/11 Commission reports actually say the fires weren't hot enough at their hottest, and even then didn't maintain constant temperatures for very long. You're right about speed and surface-impacts. (The speeds were probably overstated or the media probably reported the planes' top speed at high altitude, though, because they couldn't have been going so fast at this altitude - the air density would make it difficult for the engines to operate at that speed - but I'm sure their max speed was fast enough). What the Norwegian said doesn't make sense to me though because of the improbability of the aluminum being uniformly molten across such a vast area and the chances of it all encountering water at so many equally distributed points to cause such a smooth and symmetrical progression of explosive reactions that would have taken out ten floors per second for the at least 50 floors we see getting destroyed before the cloud of pulversized materials obscures the views. It couldn't explain the incendiary found, or the iron microspheres in the dust or even any of the molten metal that burned in the rubble for up to five months, but it could explain the oxidized steel beams that were discovered. Quote:
I've stated one opinion, and then posted facts. If you know the difference between "actual fact" and speculation (and sci-fi ;) ) can you point out to me how those posts or any other here do any "debunking" or offer anything other than ad hominems and opinions of agreement with the government theory (which to this day, without "actual facts" from the government, remains one step below theory - a basic hypothesis)?
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Al Qaeda warns Iran to 'Stop spreading 9-11 Conspiracy Theories'
Al Qaeda, who are currently fighting on the same side as The West in the warn on Libya
Libya: the West and al-Qaeda on the same side http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...same-side.html have warned Iran to stop spreading the 9/11 conspiracy theory Al Qaeda to Iran: Stop Spreading 9/11 Conspiracy Theory http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qae...ry?id=14620643 Whether you believe that Al Qaeda are funded and controlled by the CIA or that Al Qaeda are completely independent of Western control, who do you feel benefits from the pressure Al Qaeda are putting on Iran? If the 9/11 conspiracy theory eventually gets large enough it will bring about revolution in the USA, which if successful would end the wars on Muslim countries. If folk believe Al Qaeda are behind 9/11 then it will mean more countries that are in any way linked with Al Qaeda (e.g. post-war Libya) being attacked by the West.
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May i remind you nutjobs about the 1993 attack on the towers by muslim extremists.
That's what they do. They are terrorists. It's truly amazing how you idiots come up with the MOST CRAZY theories but a group of muslims hijacking a plane, flying into a building with a collapse as a logical result is totally impossible to you. 100's maybe 1000's of people involved in a complot to kill 3000 of their fellow citizens is something they don't question. They don't see a problem at all there. Fucking idiots. |
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The collapses weren't logical, the symmetry wasn't logical, and neither was the time it took for them to collapse. Crazy is the government theory four commercial jets could be hijacked at virtually the same time and fly around for up to an hour and a half without being intercepted, or that "hijackers" who could barely get a Cessna off the ground could fly these jumbo jets.... Quote:
At any rate, I'm just saying the Norwegian gentleman who says molten aluminum reacting with water brought down the towers has not considered building 7 nor has he gone over the video evidence, evidently... His theory may explain some elements of the demolitions - the rocket-like projectiles that shot out and UP from the "gravity" collapse, say - but no way can it explain the entire thing. :D
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There's no question what happened. Research the design of the trusses. To summarize, they lost their strength from the heat.
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Considering the effectiveness of steel girder heat dispersion, how did trusses 50 stories below the crash site and any fires experience such loss of tensile strength - considering that it would take temperatures several hundred degrees higher than the fire was at its hottest to even begin to soften the metal? And supposing somehow heat reached that far from burning jet fuel, how did it propagate evenly to all trusses on every level so that the building could come down straight, smoothly, and without any resistance, in a few seconds, without any toppling? .
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If you're going to go the name-calling route you could at least explain why you think so. My questions and statements of fact have been fairly reasonable, I think...
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