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femdomdestiny

August 2011- 1:660
September 2011- 0:3000

Other billers convert normally.

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jscott

Also, a few facts

1. my "shitty traffic" is from non skim seo'd blogs, all my blogs get the top keyword rankings that i'm aiming for. Also from some very low skim tgps, and these also rank high for all the kw's im going for, there is a ton of se traffic involved
2. most the sites are super old, have build up backlinks, forum traffic, se traff, link trades, it's a really nice mixture that does very well for me (for mostly everything except ccbill sites)
3. i've been pushing sites since 1997..... i've seen bad, and great, and horrible...... and i do understand how overall ratios in general have gone to shit in the adult biz.... but this is far far far beyond any bad/horrible/shit ratios i've seen in my life, and really seems unbeliavable to me

anexsia

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Jel

Had a glut of CBs lately? ccbill will flag your aff links and scrub harder than their already hard scrub if you have. That may be something to look into.

Socks

August 1:553 raw
Sept 1:288 raw

leg4

CCBILL PLZ HELP US!!

shit is fucked


plz send the Army in! We need help.

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jimmycooper

Wow. Impressive. What % is from search traffic?

Here's my Aug vs. Sep.

Aug
1:1245 Raw
1:615 Unique

Sep
1:2262 Raw
1:919 Unique


Aug ratios were my worst ever, but I attribute it more towards seasonality and an increase of TGP traffic than I do towards there being a consumer market shift which has somehow crippled my ability to pick world class content.

September is still young and, given my relatively low traffic, an extra 3-4 or so sales would likely put my Sep ratios in line with Aug. Not to mention that even though the calendar says otherwise, it's still August in the US and Canada, so I don't expect the typically lower than average ratios which come with the month to end until after Labor Day.

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That is a lot.

tonyparra

this

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MrDeiz

we are getting avarage CCBill ratios for direct sales (a few hundreds of sales) and referral ales of 8k+ referred ccbill webmasters for all the summer.

some days are downs, but the next days are usually up

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jscott

Ya, i'm trying to convince myself it's some unlucky fluke days...

.... but now going on day 5..... just amazing!

I really wish ccbill would upgrade their stats system, showing submits.... showing amounts of traffic/clicks sent per sponsor site (instead of just combined per program)

ccbill, any of these stats info's coming soon? would really be awesome

Jel

checked CB's I mentioned jscott?

My other big gripe with ccbill: no way to tell where clicks are coming from unless a sale is made. I have a bunch of sponsors that have shut down, or turned to shit, and with no way to track referring urls can't swap linkcodes on older posts/galleries that are getting se traffic, possible surfer forum traffic, etc. Fucking huge waste of clicks and I can't do anything about it

Jel

oh, and create new accounts per site jscott if a program has multiple paysites, for keeping track a little better.

scouser

ratios for last 5 days deff worse than usual for ccbill for me. could just be variance / coincidence though.

sojproductions

should be coincidence, but we all seem to have different variants, the last 5 days have been average for days of week, time of year etc, 2 weeks ago it was awful for 5 days when many others were reporting good days, almost like niches go in cycles! I rack my brains trying to find reasonable solutions, its just not that easy!

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Kafka

Don't blame CcBill. It's the economy stupid ;-)

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scouser

think it is just coincidence/variance. too early in the month to compare ratio to last month. plus summer is over now, slightly different trends.

kuda

same shit here..
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August 1:24k raw
1:6214.3 uniq

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pornmasta

probably

pornmasta

what is your usual ratio ?

pornmasta

zambo et cookie stuffing shit ?

Argos88

depends on the sponsor.. it goes between 1:100 to 1:1000 at the worst..

if I try a new sponsor and it goes above 1:1000 I just dump them...

oh and all are paysite signups.. No cams at all, they just don't fucking convert... its like IMPOSSIBLE to sell cams on my niche blogs with SE traffic.

or maybe im missing something or some blackhat people use to sell cams? I just dont know.. have been trying to figure out for the last 2 years how the HELL you guys do to convert cams and Im still trying to find the answer...

pornmasta

there is indeed a problem, but usually sales are credited later.

maxxtro

So far for me:

1:1162 Raw Clicks
1:255 Unique Clicks

TGP Traffic

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Jel

Why does anyone post Raws, ever?

V_RocKs

ouch!...

nyllover

August had been a nightmare for us too (speaking from program owner point of view)...especially second half had been like a desert.... problem is jscott that every now and then these issues come up...and no one can have any sort of proof against CCBill.... that's the sad truth...

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jscott

Normally about 1:1500 - 1:3500 at worst


CB's/refunds are fine man...... so there's no prob there




btw, I think it's hilarious how some of these noobs and gfy lamers try to chime in here like they know it all

"oh you have tubes" "oh you promote this or that" lol you guys are loser idiots....... go on assuming your shit and enjoy your 2 sales at 1:400 ratios LOL

Jel

Added a lot of FHGs lately? From memory (though I could be way wrong here) those counted as sponsor clicks, so if you have added a lot, or had a link(s) with your affcode posted on a big surfer forum or several, that'd inflate it a fair whack. Like I say though, that's from memory and may not be 100% accurate.

TeenCat

so what you want to say, that it is not important who do you promote? as you can see, not much people are in that shit as you are ... oh, or maybe enjoy your chinesse traffic

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nyllover

Well, i can just say that jscott knows his shit....and that's what he was also trying to say...if he says this is weird... it IS weird...

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LeRoy

Its gotta be a linking issue.

You're pushing our cam site Sakura Live and it's billed by CCbill only

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patavax

So far (I know September is young) there were 5 full days and I made 90% of my sales in 2 days: Thurday September 1 + Monday September 5. These 2 days were some normal days, nothing specials. The 3 other days were VERY VERY bad. My stats overall are very bad.

A weekend is usually very good on my end, but over the last weekend I made only 3-4 sales (in 2 days!) and that is really bad. I usually make 8-9 sales per day AT LEAST!


I have seen a use drop in sales since July 2011. Untill June 2011 all was OK on my end. It was kind of normal. Between July 15 and August 31 it was really the worst period ever.


I had kind the same issue during May 2010, over a short period of about 2 weeks. The first half of May 2010 was very good but then after May 15, 2010 suddenly sales dropped. At that time I have posted here on GFY and there were several other webmasters who had the same issue. Then in June 2010 sales picked up again.


Now I see the sales are very bad over a longer period.

I don't blame CCBILL as I think the scrubbing is only a small part of the story. I have only a small part of my traffic going to NATS sites and I see kind of the same. Higher ratios + lower sales. But fact is that the main part of my traffic is going to a sponsor that I work with since over 5 years and he told me that since July 15 almost all sales he has are coming out of Europe (esp.Germany) + Canada and that sales of US customers is almost 0. Over the long term the sales were arround 60-65% US and 35-40% Europe+Canada+rest of world.
Are there any other program owners who see the same decrease in sales from US customers?

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The Porn Nerd

I have seen many European and non-US sales since June, for both CCBill and Epoch. But summertime is a bad time of year to judge so let's see how Sept-Dec goes.

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CCBILL_James

I am not sure where you heard this, but this is not true.

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garce

My reply in this post showing my recent CCBill ratios was raw clicks. I even included Affiliates Without Sales in those stats. If I remove non-converting affiliate sites, my ratios drop remarkably.

I don't use FHGs, and have very few videos on my money-making sites. As Argos88 stated earlier, if a new site I'm trying out goes above 1:1,000 - I don't promote it anymore. I KNOW there are other sites that can easily halve that ratio.

I try to cater to an older audience - an audience that doesn't want to waste their time clicking through random shit to find something they find arousing. Maybe this strategy is killing me traffic-wise, but its what I know how to do.

Although a lot of programs (particularly amateur programs) that use CCBill are a mess (if not completely broken), a good one is worth its weight in gold. I've been paid on time by CCBill every week since '98 or '99. Long enough that I forget exactly when I signed up - and I don't feel like checking right now.

My oldest CCBill affiliate ref ID is 15053. I've been using them for awhile.

Note: This post reflects my personal experience with CCBill. I do not claim to have a clue about jscott's issues with them. CCBill works just fine for me.

EDIT: Ok, so I checked. Signed up Oct. 1, 1999 here: http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...-0000&PA=15053 Been paid on time, every week, since.

RyuLion

Ghost town??????

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Jel

From a ccbill rep, on gfy.

Jel

I must be missing the part in this post that explains why anyone posts raw clicks when comparing/stating ratios. Well done though on being with ccbill for a long time.

NetHorse

1:10 million. Everything is fine on their end.

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looky_lou

With ccbill, unless the sponsor has selected to count clicks using one of the newer methods then unique clicks are calculated at 80% of raw clicks. So the unique clicks is not accurate.

I still have many ccbill sponsors that are using the old original method, so actually using raw clicks is a better indicator than unique clicks which is not accurate to varying degrees depending on how many sponsors you have that are counting with the old methods vs. new methods.

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I guess I took your post asking(?) "Why does anyone post Raws, ever?" the wrong way.

I count my CCBill conversion ratios by raw clicks. I link images directly to tours. So the ratios I post are raw clicks. So, if my ratio is 1:500, that's one in five hundred raw visitors hauling out ye olde credit card and purchasing a subscription. Maybe each of them has has visited the site 20 times while cookied before deciding to sign up. I dunno. I don't care.

I know that my raw ratio - as irrelevant as you may consider it - is better than my unique ratio with most other companies. Under NATS I get more "Bookmark" signups than anything. So WTF? I do not actually care about raws or uniques - I care about the amount of traffic I send and how well it converts.

I don't know what the problem is. You want me to post uniques? Check your own stats and do the math. If I'm doing (give or take) 1:500 on raw clicks, that's like what? 1:100 uniques? No its not, but close...

Thank you for "congratulating" me on getting paid by CCBill every single fucking week since late 1999. Rofl.

Let me do another copy and paste:

$413.91
55 $249.53
8 $2,962.49
194 $4,508.57
306 -$77.86
7 $0.00
0 -$14.98
1 $8,041.66
571 106,079
1:412.8 30,995

That is one fucked up list. Unreadable. 55 trials. 9 singles. 194 recurrings. 306 rebills

Works out to 1:412 raw (things changed in the last couple hours... People sign up... shit happens...) and 1:120.6 uniques.

Edit (I don't even think I should bother wasting my fucking time...): I did a screencap - and this is as far as I'm going. I HOPE I don't have to spell it out for you - and I DO NOT give a flying fuck what you think (But why did I waste so much time doing this, you may ask? I'm kinda bored, and a little tipsy. Promote CCBill sites or don't. I don't fucking care!) I AM hoping I can impress Nikki99, though... Yowza!

Its gonna be winter in Canada soon, Nikki! Take me to the dark side...



Trial. Single. Recurring. Rebill. Refund. Chargeback. Void. Total. Raw Clicks. Unique Clicks.

There's still three days left in the week, btw. Bada Boom Bada Bing.

garce

There's no way he's going to be able to wrap his little mind around that concept.

CamTraffic

I wish CCbill stats were readable

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looky_lou

yeah, I know.

If I posted my ccbill stats I would be the laughing stock of the board. I have several sponsors that run their FHGs through their ccbill. So every click to the gallery counts as a click. Unfortunately my biggest sponsor does it this way, so my ccbill stats look terrible, even though the majority of my earnings come through ccbill. I can only watch the trends.

Bottom line is: How much is my check this week vs. the average.

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Holy shit Garce makes a lot of fucking money!!!

Bow down to Garce...
Bow down to Garce...

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Jel

Ah ok, that's something I didn't know, thanks