Do prisoners have it TOO FUCKING GOOD these days?

[marty]

Those cocksuckers shouldn't even have the luxury of a pencil.

What ever happened to them being locked up for 23 hours a day without contact to the outside world?

Isn't that what punishment is all about?

[UncleJimmy]

I think the forced ass loving is the actual punishment, pencils are just for poking eachother in the neck, ear or eye with...

[Warden]

It's only appropriate that I respond to this thread but, I'm not sure what your point is? To make a blanket statement that all prisoners should be locked down in solitary confinement may be a little too harsh. I agree that there are plenty of inmates that do deserve harder conditions than they are currently in. At the same time many people are in prison over non-violent crimes. Many of these crimes are avoidable. They have made mistakes that many of us have made in the past; they just got caught doing them. I have lots of data on the subject. Infect we have a section called prison facts in PrisonMates.com that address' some of these very issues.

Warden

[cold_ice]

Yes those bastards do have it to easy IMO. TV, movies games weekends when they get to bone their women should all be taken away from them. Make them all work at least a ten hour day to help pay for what they are costing us. Plus feed them beans and potatos and water to drink and thats fucken it, give them vitamins to make up for what they lack in their diets.














This regard everything above is I ever end up in prison.

[twistyneck]

There shouldn't be prisons at all. Convicts should either be whipped (or caned or have a hand chopped off or whatever) or put to death.

[Warden]

Damn some of you guys are really hard on these people. Tell me, how many here smoke weed or gotten behind the wheel after a few drinks? I think more than would ever admit to it (at least the drinking and driving part). Over 50% of our prisons are filled with petty drug charge inmates. How many of you have been to a 420 party and actually know what 420 stands for? Bush never discussed the judicial punishment reform that this country really needs. It?s a damn shame when someone gets picked up for a 3rd possession of Mary Jane and does more time than someone who gets convicted of armed robbery or sexual assault. Just my . But hey what do I know?

Warden

[marty]

Prisons are supposed to deter people from commiting a crime in the first place.

I've you knew that drink driving carried a 5 year term of hard labour would you still do it? I don't think so, but if you did you'd deserve the punishment.

Don't you think that the current over-population of prisons is an indication that the system does not work and tougher penalties need to be implemented.

Kids grow up commiting crimes while they are under 17 and there is nothing that teaches them a real lesson when they get caught.

Fuck it. If you do the crime, you must do the time.

[Libertine]

Time and time again studies have shown that more severe punishment does in fact not deter people from comitting crimes.

But, there are always a bunch of sadistic morons running around that all criminals should be punished as severely as possible. Just for their own sick little pleasures.

Personally, I hope all you fuckers who can only think about how to damage a person as severely as possible get executed.

[Mr.Fiction]

Yes, anyone caught smoking pot should be tortured and burned to death. Brilliant idea.

Get rid of the courts too. And the constitution.

[UncleJimmy]

Originally posted by Warden
...I agree that there are plenty of inmates that do deserve harder conditions than they are currently in. At the same time many people are in prison over non-violent crimes....

I totally agree, I think they really oughta split out prisons a bit more, the 'bad bad boy' prisons and the 'woops you did something stupid and got caught' prisons....treating them all the same and lumping them together is wack

[candyflip]

Hey Warden...can you hook me up? This is my kinda lady



Just look at those eyes.

[Warden]

The punishment should fit the crime, plain and simple.

I'm not that sympathetic to criminals in general. On the contrary, my background is in criminal justice. It?s just over the years I have come to the conclusion that our judicial system is very flawed. Here are a few examples of facts from PrisonMates.


In 1996, 641,642 Americans were arrested for marijuana offenses; that's approximately one arrest every 49 seconds. About 85% of those were for simple possession--NOT manufacture or distribution. (1997).

Eighty-four percent (84%) of the increase in state and federal prison admissions since 1980 was accounted for by nonviolent offenders


In 29 years, 1973 - 2002, 100 DEATH ROW inmates were found to be INNOCENT and set free. That's almost four per year.


And everyone favorite....

72% of male inmates have participated either willingly or unwillingly in homosexual intercourse.


Warden

[Warden]

Originally posted by candyflip
Hey Warden...can you hook me up? This is my kinda lady



Just look at those eyes.

Sure thing. Just join and make sure you agree to the terms and conditons!!! Best of luck to you shes gettting out soon!

Warden

[Undutchable]

Im not sympathetic to criminals either. But consider this: the more you humiliate prisoners, the harder you crack down on them, the harder it's going to be for them to reintegrate into society. Remember that these people will be free men once again! If they were treated justly and with some human dignity, they MIGHT pick up their lives again. Have them ass raped everyday, and they come out 10 times worse than they got in.

If you're gonna crack down, then just execute them right away. The ass raping isn't gonna help us.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Undutchable
Have them ass raped everyday, and they come out 10 times worse than they got in.

I was watching a documentary on TLC about prisons and the effects it has on people.

Anyway, they've been able to prove statistically that anyone who has served at least 3 prison terms if they weren't before, they would now be a sexual offender, and would possibly offend once released.

This is due to the dangers of prison rape...it becomes a rape or get raped type situation.

If you think about it, it does make sense.

If you start to rape men in prison and get out, chances are those inclinations are going to still be there...not necessarily for homosexual love...but forced love.

[marty]

Would you employ a discharged criminal?
Would you let your daughter marry one?
Would you trust one to drive your children to school?

Why not prevent people from becomming criminals in the first palce?

[eroswebmaster]

I know there will be those who will read my last statement and scream..."but they deserve it."

No they don't.

#1 They deserve to serve the sentence that has been imposed upon them.
Not to be sent to "federal ass pounding prison."

#2 As someone already posted above, chances are they will return to your neighborhoods but maybe now with an appetite for violating others sexually.

Imagine if some guy who went to prison just for some stupid drug possession charge spends 18 months getting fucked by a bunch of bubbas, he then moves next door to you and your children.

He won't be a registered sex offender because he wasn't sent to prison for that crime, but he may now have violent sexual inclinations, and he may act out on those using your children.


People have to quit letting their emotions rule their thoughts on policy and politics and think further than the tip of their noses.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by marty
Would you employ a discharged criminal?
Would you let your daughter marry one?
Would you trust one to drive your children to school?

Why not prevent people from becomming criminals in the first palce?

The answer is because no one is into preventitive maintenance.

That's quite apparent just looking at our health care.

I remember going to my doctor's office and seeing that medicaid would no longer pay for a pap smear.

But sure let's pay for the cancer treatment which will cost thousands of dollars more in the long run.

People think it's cheaper to save money on education, and other programs that might (and I stress might) help, than to spend it on reform schools, and prisons.

[bhutocracy]

chopping theives hands off DOES NOT deter people from stealing.. look at any country where extreme punishment is metered out.. there wouldn't be the monthly public flogging/amputation otherwise..
sure it's better to prevent people from becoming criminals, but not by making the punishment harsher.. criminals don't carry out the maths and round out the sentence equations for their actions..
all you can do is try to take away the motivation for committing the crime.. which isn't fun, knee-jerk or satisfying vengefully. It's all that boring keeping kids in school, supporting social structures.. blah blah blah..

[bhutocracy]

prison is like "criminal school" anyway.. one long fucking seminar of contacts and "business" practices.. send some hapless fucker in on possession charges and he can graduate as a hardened criminal. hell no prison shouldn't be a picnic, especially not for the worst offenders, but for the majority the focus should be on being able to re-integrate them back into meaningful society.. theres a hell of a lot of tax revenue the government is missing out on by imprisoning possession offenders.. maybe it's balanced out by the construction jobs created by the prison industry which is one of the fastest growing in the US... who knows.

[Probono]

You don't want to be in his jail

BIOGRAPHY
Sheriff Joe Arpaio

Maricopa County, Arizona
Phoenix, Arizona USA
(602) 256-1801


You probably know him as "America's Toughest Sheriff", a name given to him by the media years ago. It's a name he certainly has earned as the head of the nation's fourth largest Sheriff's Office. But even before he became Sheriff in 1993, Joe Arpaio was one tough law man.

After serving in the Army for three years from 1950 to 1952, Arpaio went on to build a federal law enforcement career and a reputation for fighting drug trafficking around the world.

From the United States to Mexico to Turkey to the Middle East to Central and South America, Arpaio was an expert in undercover work establishing a stellar record of infiltrating drug organizations and arresting drug offenders.

His expertise led him to management positions with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) in the United States and around the world. He concluded his remarkable career as head of the DEA for Arizona.

In 1992, building on his expertise as a former police officer in Washington D.C. and Las Vegas, and as a top federal law enforcement official, Arpaio successfully campaigned to become the Sheriff of Maricopa County.

He won the election in 1992. Four years later, in 1996, after his policies had earned him unprecedented praise and an 85% public approval rating, no one even ran against him when he sought a second term as Sheriff.

After 38 years of law enforcement experience, Arpaio's strength is in his ability to know what the public wants. "As Sheriff, I serve the public. The public is my boss", are statements often made by Sheriff Arpaio.

And in serving the public, Arpaio has done many unique things as Sheriff.

He started the nation's largest Tent City for convicted inmates. Over 1200 convicted men, women and juveniles serve their sentences in a canvas incarceration compound. It is a remarkable success story and has garnered the attention of government officials and media worldwide.

The same is true for his chain gangs which work six days a week contributing thousands of dollars of free labor to the community. The male chain gang and the world's first ever female chain gang clean streets, paint over graffiti, and bury the indigent in the county cemetery.

Equally impressive are the Sheriff's get tough policies. Arpaio doesn't believe in coddling criminals, frequently saying that jails should not be country clubs. He banned smoking, coffee, pornographic magazines, movies and unrestricted television in all jails. He has the cheapest meals in the country too. The average inmate meal costs under 45 cents.

Arpaio also has launched innovative rehabilitation programs like "Hard Knocks High ", the only accredited high school in an American jail. His ALPHA program teaches inmates to turn away from drugs. It is one of his proudest accomplishments. A high percentage of ALPHA graduates leave his jail clean and sober and rarely, if ever, return to incarceration.

As for his deputies, Arpaio has increased salaries, encouraged education by providing incentive pay, improved equipment and the fleet, and has elevated this office to a full-service, state-of-the-art world renowned law enforcement agency.

Also under Arpaio, the posse has grown to 3200 members, the nation's largest volunteer posse. These men and women, always are a great help to deputies, help in search and rescue and other traditional police work as well as in special operations like round-ups of deadbeat parents, fighting prostitution in the valley's so-called red light district, and patrolling malls and shops during holidays. The posse's contribution is invaluable and essentially free to taxpayers.

Arpaio and his wife, Ava, have been married well over 40 years. They have two children and one grandchild who also reside in the Phoenix area.

Arpaio says his plans include several more years as the head of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office.

[J-Reel]

Originally posted by marty
Prisons are supposed to deter people from commiting a crime in the first place.

I've you knew that drink driving carried a 5 year term of hard labour would you still do it? I don't think so, but if you did you'd deserve the punishment.

Don't you think that the current over-population of prisons is an indication that the system does not work and tougher penalties need to be implemented.

Kids grow up commiting crimes while they are under 17 and there is nothing that teaches them a real lesson when they get caught.

Fuck it. If you do the crime, you must do the time.

Now I have read plenty of ignorant posts on GFY before, but this one takes the cake.

[UncleJimmy]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster


I was watching a documentary on TLC about prisons and the effects it has on people.

Anyway, they've been able to prove statistically that anyone who has served at least 3 prison terms if they weren't before, they would now be a sexual offender, and would possibly offend once released.

This is due to the dangers of prison rape...it becomes a rape or get raped type situation.

If you think about it, it does make sense.

If you start to rape men in prison and get out, chances are those inclinations are going to still be there...not necessarily for homosexual love...but forced love.

I'm shocked that the criminal's haven't been able to seriously sue the prison systems because of that. Seems purely like cruel and unusual punishment. And since our country seems to enjoy enprisoning sooooo many people for petty shit (I think we have the largest prison population in the world)....it appears as if we're really no better than Saddam and his torture sessions.

We're such fucking hypocrits sometimes it amazes me.

I think I'd rather kill or be killed than go to prison, sounds like a real drug infested twisted gay resort...

:/

[bhutocracy]

oh and btw, im not saying the prisons don't need a major reform.. but it's not about having it "too good" it's about getting a taxpayer back or out at the end... chain gangs etc are all fine and dandy but they should be able to do more than high school education there... you'd think you could do some sort of vocational studies.. learn to be a welder or something when you're not digging trenches for a new park.

[UncleJimmy]

A study or two has shown that training & education that you speak of bhutocracy, reduces recidivism by a VERY large %, I forget the numbers but they were up there.

It's all about giving people more options to do the right thing, a good % of people I think that end up in prison were doing shit cuz they thought that was all they could do, etc....

[marty]

Originally posted by bhutocracy
chopping theives hands off DOES NOT deter people from stealing.. look at any country where extreme punishment is metered out.. there wouldn't be the monthly public flogging/amputation otherwise..
sure it's better to prevent people from becoming criminals, but not by making the punishment harsher.. criminals don't carry out the maths and round out the sentence equations for their actions..
all you can do is try to take away the motivation for committing the crime.. which isn't fun, knee-jerk or satisfying vengefully. It's all that boring keeping kids in school, supporting social structures.. blah blah blah..

What a load of shit !!!

People who get their hands chopped of in those countries don't have the choices we have in the civalized world. They steal because they can't get work.

We on the other hand can get a job very easily. It might not be a glamour job, but it's a start.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by marty

What a load of shit !!!

People who get their hands chopped of in those countries don't have the choices we have in the civalized world. They steal because they can't get work.

We on the other hand can get a job very easily. It might not be a glamour job, but it's a start.

the death penalty never stopped people from murdering in first world countries.
you're arguing against a mountain of evidence that contradicts you... the fact is criminals DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GET CAUGHT otherwise they fucking wouldn't commit the crimes.. making sentences harsher doesn't do much at all.

[rooster]

Do the crime, you accept the consequences of the crime. Who cares if it deters or not, dosent matter. Dumbfucks will still do the crime because they are dumbfucks.

[AWW - Kevin]

i wonder what % of the population commits "hard" crimes in
countries where there is no TV/Computergames..etc available in
prisons ?

not sure what all the studies are saying, but my guess would be
nice prisons = more criminals/crime

[Undutchable]

Our legal systems serve several purposes. They protect us from criminals by locking them up, but most of the time this is temporarily. Also, we want to take revenge on those who have wronged society. We also want to let the criminal know he has done something wrong so that he can reform and lead a life on the right path.

Now of these functions, which is most important? Since most criminals will be released again, the MOST IMPORTANT function of jail would be to make people UNDERSTAND what they've done wrong so that they can change. Also, we need to give them a REAL CHANCE of making it on the outside, and we also have to make them feel good enough about themselves that they can actually be positive enough to see that chance and to see that a new life is possible.

This might sound like I wanna cuddle em to death instead of punish them. Which is not true. If you invest time in letting them understand that they've done something wrong (by educating them, confronting them with victims, etc, there are multiple PROVEN methods readily available), then, once they understand you can make them work their asses off or something similar. Something that lets them know that theyre paying their dues. But for fucks sake, what the hell use is it to have them asspounded for a few years with any rehab whatsoever?

Also, it is proven that of the people that are educated in prison, MOST never return! That means that most of these people, that have obviously had a bad background that allowed them commit the worst of crimes, are still able to reform and to turn into productive members of society. It's no use to keep cracking down harder if that has no RESULTS.

I can't believe how some people are very intelligent business people, focussed on getting their business ahead and being productive and focuseed on results, but when it comes to other aspects in life they just tag along with the majority and call for harder punishments. Unless you have the results and statistics to back it up, that's probably a bad idea

[Baal]

Harsher sentances only work if a potential criminal knows that they will get caught. No criminal who commits a crime expects to get caught (with the exception of a few institutionalized folks who prefer prison to homelessness). Therefeore, they don't expect to "pay the price" of their crime, so any level of punishment will not deter them.

The only good prison does is keep some assholes out of society for a certain amount of time. Prison *may* be able to rehab some prisoners, but in it's current form, it does just the opposite.

[BR Guy]

Originally posted by Undutchable
Now of these functions, which is most important? Since most criminals will be released again, the MOST IMPORTANT function of jail would be to make people UNDERSTAND what they've done wrong so that they can change. Also, we need to give them a REAL CHANCE of making it on the outside, and we also have to make them feel good enough about themselves that they can actually be positive enough to see that chance and to see that a new life is possible.

I agree 200%.
But leave them locked up 20+ hours a day doesn't help. They must be keeped busy, like working and studing.
Most of them are low-profile. They could even learn a new profession.