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DamianJ 07-11-2011 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18273475)
Now Damian you can say I bought 2 wives and one cleaned me out. You must be creaming in your pants at this.
Oh I am. I am. You're like Alan Partridge man.



Filipino wife. Could you be any more stereotypical if you tried?

Choker 07-11-2011 04:43 AM
So someone bought a set of old content from Paul's bargain basement for $9.99 so while his wife is at work supporting his ass he runs to GFY and posts about it. What a joy retirement must be.

Cash4Me 07-11-2011 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18268328)
Still some more old ones.


Anyone here from the UK and older than 40 will remember Sharon Kayne. Another page 3 model.

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/oldscan06.jpg
Paul, do you remember Susana Farcach (aka Suzie Temple)? She was from east Europe but worked a lot in UK.

bjlover 07-11-2011 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18271939)
No Eva and I went to an open air cinema.

Fuck my life???????

I'm happily retired, with enough money to see me through to the end of my days. I live in our nice 3 bedroom house in a sleepy little village in Czech, which is where I choose to live because I love it here. Not for any other reason, we could move back to the UK, but our standard of living would come crashing down and England holds nothing for me. We own the house, lock stock and barrel. come over and see the deeds.

I have a wife who loves me, a daughter who loves me and a dog who I'm not sure about but he does follow me everywhere I go.

I watched Eva recover from an accident that should of killed her, beat very advanced cancer that should of killed me. After 2 years of really being out of working, both recovering and looking after me. She's happy to go back to work and have something that challenges her.

I've had a career that most of you would of loved to have. While you sit there punching a keyboard I was taking pictures and movies of naked girls doing wonderful things to themselves and getting paid well to do it.

After getting rid of the studio and staff, stopping shooting, the sites still bring in money, that we can add to our small pile. In a business where most of you wouldn't last 3 months after what happened to us, that's pretty good. Don't you think?

I have, the money we didn't blow on boys toys and mortgages like so many, my private pensions and State invalid benefits. Don't tell me I'm a parasite, I paid for every penny I'm getting now many times over.

I'm now scanning stuff from 25 years ago. Nice because I can see how I progressed as a shooter, remember some great days and brings home how much I grew.

The downsides to my life are. My saliva glands are fucked and will never recover. My strength and stamina is pretty poor, the Manwin shoot proved to me I will never come back to shooting. Whether I want to or not. I'm physically not capable.

I'm truly pissed that people like you turned what should of been the new dawn of porn, into it's dusk. As far as making money. You online guys missed the opportunity of a lifetime. Few have the chances you did to make billions. You fucked up.

If 1-100 buy. 99 don't. 99 lost customers. If 1-1,000 buy, 999 don't buy. If the reason they don't buy is the amount of free porn online, legit free porn. Or the lack of will to join the site, the fix isn't throwing more traffic at it. But for 10 years and more, that's the only fix many of you could think of.

And you put the growing traffic down to all the people wanting the free porn. did you really think those who would buy or were remotely interested in porn wouldn't come anyway? If you did, you don't understand marketing porn online, offline or any bloody way you can imagine. Men like looking at porn, they will look at porn given the chance, by supplying them with millions of free galleries you diminish their need to buy the product.

This was something people knew a decade ago. People were saying that too much content in a gallery was hurting sales. But if one gallery had 10 pictures in, the archives had 10,000 other galleries. Today the problem is the same it was then. Just got worse because you kept thinking more traffic = more sales. And used the most stupid excuses possible to back that claim.

No traffic no sales = But use content to get traffic.

They can sell water and water's free. = If you live with your Mum it is, otherwise you pay for water out the tap.

They give away free samples in supermarkets. = They don't give away a crate of them.

MacDonalds can sell crap burgers = Not by giving them away for free.

Yes I'm pissed that idiots turned what should of been a business that was thriving into a business that can nearly see it's end. Unless you give away porn to sell ad space.

Seriously though Damian and please don't ignore this. Where will you be working in 5 years time? Still in your living room or your Mum's living room or where?

Don't worry about my life, it's fine. :thumbsup
Fuck your life seriously must suck, you spend so much time on GFY, posting shit no one reads.

I actually feel sorry for you :Oh crap

mafia_man 07-11-2011 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by rogueteens (Post 18268322)
Is that a big bruise around her mouth?
Obviously Paul ran out of patience when the dumb bitch didn't know how to pose. :thumbsup

cherrylula 07-11-2011 07:43 AM
Congrats, because not a lot of people can say that. I hope to one day as well. Profit from things I did 20+ years ago that is.

now back to the fuckery.

justinsain 07-11-2011 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18273319)
Here's another reason you don't get it.....

A porn magazine shelf in an adult shop had a ton of magazines, often 100's when counting old ones as well, (like sites today), multi-packaged ones, discount boxes, etc. (before counting what they have at home already that are free now) By your logic, all the other magazines didn't convert the customers, they were just looking, flipping, and ended up with another magazine or maybe even left the store or maybe got a dvd and no magazine at all. Then again, not everyone coming in the door bought the best magazine either, but chances are they looked at it - it sold more due to exposure, and took from others... oh wait, just like today....
Your post made me think about the way my local adult store used to conduct their business.

It was a very large store that sold everything adult related. They had a huge magazine section with something for everyone. They had a room in the back where employees shrink wrapped every single magazine before it was put out on the shelf. There was no browsing through magazines. You bought the magazine because of the cover and or the reputation of that magazine. Shoppers were carefully monitored and anyone tearing open a shrink wrap was ejected from the store.They did huge business, had two cashiers and there was always a line to pay for your items.

On the flip side there is a Books a Million in the mall that also has a huge mainstream magazine section. They however do not shrink wrap their magazines so people are able to pick them up and look through them. They even take it a step further and provide chairs and sofas so people can sit down and be comfortable while they read the magazines. You go there on a Saturday afternoon and there will be upwards of 20 people looking through magazines. You could sit there and read all you want of your favorite magazines without spending a dime. There is no line at the register and hardly anyone actually buys the magazine. No reason to since they got to view it for free.

Two different ways of selling magazines and it appears that by protecting their merchandise the adult book store sold far more magazines than the Mall book store that let their customers use the magazines for free.

The Porn Nerd 07-11-2011 09:06 AM
Here's something Paul constantly forgets about:

(I am no "kid". I've been around porn for 25+ years now. Oh - and for Penthouse, Hustler and Screw, name brands.)

I'm tired of hearing from you Paul how "1 in a 100 buy, leaving 99 that didn't therefore you online guys are loser idiots...." (paraphrasing here).

PAUL: How many people went into an old school XXX video store, looked around at all the titles, then LEFT WITHOUT BUYING A THING?

How many people Paul would go to a newsstand, stand there, flip through countless porn mags (admiring your unequaled work, no doubt), put the mag down and LEAVE WITHOUT PAYING?

I have a friend who owns a newsstand on the corner of 39th and 5th, here in Manhattan. Has owned it for about 30 years now. He's as old as YOU are Paul! Know what he says? About 1 out of 100 people who stop by his stand to oogle the porn mags buy one. It's been this way for 30 years.

SO PAUL: when you get a "ratio" of 1:100 IT IS THE SAME EXACT THING AS WHEN YOU WERE WORKING IN MAGS. Same ratios.

So this point, which you hammer home non-stop, is NOT an indicater of how bad porn is now, how idiotic we online guys are and can't compare to "shooters" from the Seventies, etc etc. You sound idiotic and old every time you say things like this Paul, and the worst part is it simply is NOT TRUE.

Now go play with your puppy. :)

TheDoc 07-11-2011 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by justinsain (Post 18274008)
Your post made me think about the way my local adult store used to conduct their business.

It was a very large store that sold everything adult related. They had a huge magazine section with something for everyone. They had a room in the back where employees shrink wrapped every single magazine before it was put out on the shelf. There was no browsing through magazines. You bought the magazine because of the cover and or the reputation of that magazine. Shoppers were carefully monitored and anyone tearing open a shrink wrap was ejected from the store.They did huge business, had two cashiers and there was always a line to pay for your items.

On the flip side there is a Books a Million in the mall that also has a huge mainstream magazine section. They however do not shrink wrap their magazines so people are able to pick them up and look through them. They even take it a step further and provide chairs and sofas so people can sit down and be comfortable while they read the magazines. You go there on a Saturday afternoon and there will be upwards of 20 people looking through magazines. You could sit there and read all you want of your favorite magazines without spending a dime. There is no line at the register and hardly anyone actually buys the magazine. No reason to since they got to view it for free.

Two different ways of selling magazines and it appears that by protecting their merchandise the adult book store sold far more magazines than the Mall book store that let their customers use the magazines for free.
The mall one had more customers overall, thus they could do that... naturally a mall would have 10,000's of more possible customers.

As well, not all paysites give away everything, some blur nudity, don't give away free promo material, and so on. That's called business, everyone does it differently.

Thing is... most bookstores that are still here today, do let you browse the books, magazines, etc. Even bookmans has an adult section, little private area for you to check them out. Amazon has free chapters and now more importantly - reviews! I don't buy a book based on it's cover, never have and never will - very few people ever do.

Paul Markham 07-11-2011 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Cash4Me (Post 18273716)
Paul, do you remember Susana Farcach (aka Suzie Temple)? She was from east Europe but worked a lot in UK.
Can't say I do. 1991 there were very few Eastern European girls here. Still required a visa.

Paul Markham 07-11-2011 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 18273839)
Congrats, because not a lot of people can say that. I hope to one day as well. Profit from things I did 20+ years ago that is.

now back to the fuckery.
Yes, it's good and great seeing some of the girls I shot back then.

justinsain THat Books store was obviously doing the right thing, giving away the product and making it easy for free loaders is the way to do business. </sarcasm>

Most people in online porn don't have a clue how the business was run and the money taken. They quote Private's figures and think that's it. Even Fabian did it which again shows a huge lack of understanding.

So here's a question for all those who think porn was bigger on the Internet. How many ways did a porn shop and porn production company have of making money?

No long termers please, let the big mouth newbies to porn come up with an answer.

MaDalton 07-11-2011 09:31 AM
http://statetheatreafterparty.files....og-7310471.gif

DamianJ 07-11-2011 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274066)
So here's a question for all those who think porn was bigger on the Internet. How many ways did a porn shop and porn production company have of making money?
Start a poll Paul. Ask people if they think companies producing porn made more or less money after the internet was invented.

You are the only person who thinks there was more money in porn before the largest ever distribution model appeared.

It's so funny. Just like you are the only person who thinks censorship is good.

Paul Markham 07-11-2011 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 18274025)
Here's something Paul constantly forgets about:

(I am no "kid". I've been around porn for 25+ years now. Oh - and for Penthouse, Hustler and Screw, name brands.)

I'm tired of hearing from you Paul how "1 in a 100 buy, leaving 99 that didn't therefore you online guys are loser idiots...." (paraphrasing here).

PAUL: How many people went into an old school XXX video store, looked around at all the titles, then LEFT WITHOUT BUYING A THING?

How many people Paul would go to a newsstand, stand there, flip through countless porn mags (admiring your unequaled work, no doubt), put the mag down and LEAVE WITHOUT PAYING?

I have a friend who owns a newsstand on the corner of 39th and 5th, here in Manhattan. Has owned it for about 30 years now. He's as old as YOU are Paul! Know what he says? About 1 out of 100 people who stop by his stand to oogle the porn mags buy one. It's been this way for 30 years.

SO PAUL: when you get a "ratio" of 1:100 IT IS THE SAME EXACT THING AS WHEN YOU WERE WORKING IN MAGS. Same ratios.

So this point, which you hammer home non-stop, is NOT an indicater of how bad porn is now, how idiotic we online guys are and can't compare to "shooters" from the Seventies, etc etc. You sound idiotic and old every time you say things like this Paul, and the worst part is it simply is NOT TRUE.

Now go play with your puppy. :)
If your friend was letting people jerk off while they were leafing through the magazines for free, you would have a point.

If this industry converted 1-100 browsers we would all be making millions a week.

Your posts proves you don't have to do a lot to get men to look at porn. It's bloody easy. And when conversion ratios over all has gone to 1-1,000s of the browsers, we in trouble.

I suspect your friend didn't lat them leaf through the magazines on a NY Street. But what the hell.

What did you do in porn years ago?

You can answer the question I posed.

TheDoc 07-11-2011 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274066)
Yes, it's good and great seeing some of the girls I shot back then.

justinsain THat Books store was obviously doing the right thing, giving away the product and making it easy for free loaders is the way to do business. </sarcasm>

Most people in online porn don't have a clue how the business was run and the money taken. They quote Private's figures and think that's it. Even Fabian did it which again shows a huge lack of understanding.

So here's a question for all those who think porn was bigger on the Internet. How many ways did a porn shop and porn production company have of making money?

No long termers please, let the big mouth newbies to porn come up with an answer.
Less than they do today...

How many ways does a porn company today make money? I bet you can't answer it.

Or rather, how many ways does one company make money vs. another company?

Gota be a few more stupid questions we can ask.... humm.

TheDoc 07-11-2011 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274077)
If your friend was letting people jerk off while they were leafing through the magazines for free, you would have a point.

If this industry converted 1-100 browsers we would all be making millions a week.

Your posts proves you don't have to do a lot to get men to look at porn. It's bloody easy. And when conversion ratios over all has gone to 1-1,000s of the browsers, we in trouble.

I suspect your friend didn't lat them leaf through the magazines on a NY Street. But what the hell.

What did you do in porn years ago?

You can answer the question I posed.
How many went home and jerked off anyway? How many jerked in the car? How many didn't come to the store and jerked off with what they had? Why do stores have to watch out for people jerking it in the store? Why do they have jerk rooms in some stores, penny views, or flip machines, still today, and way more years ago? Some had girls to look at, little strip clubs inside, free and paid, speaking of, strip clubs give away burgers at lunch - you would think MD's would be out of business.

Can you not contemplate multiple situations/ideals and time, at once to draw a conclusion? Is this how you've looked at business your entire life? That's f'in nuts!

Paul Markham 07-11-2011 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18274075)
Start a poll Paul. Ask people if they think companies producing porn made more or less money after the internet was invented.

You are the only person who thinks there was more money in porn before the largest ever distribution model appeared.

It's so funny. Just like you are the only person who thinks censorship is good.
Where shall I start it?
In the offices of Hustler, Trojan, Score or on GFY? Your troll game is very weak today.

I'm one of the very few who worked in offline porn. Most of the people here, like you, didn't have a clue what was being made. Answer my question I posed about where the money came from.

The Porn Nerd 07-11-2011 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274077)
If your friend was letting people jerk off while they were leafing through the magazines for free, you would have a point.

If this industry converted 1-100 browsers we would all be making millions a week.

Your posts proves you don't have to do a lot to get men to look at porn. It's bloody easy. And when conversion ratios over all has gone to 1-1,000s of the browsers, we in trouble.

I suspect your friend didn't lat them leaf through the magazines on a NY Street. But what the hell.

What did you do in porn years ago?

You can answer the question I posed.
My friend, you have obviously not spent much time on New York City street corners. LOL

Of course they stand there and flip through the mags. They aren't shrink-wrapped (well, the "3 for $9.99" bundles are, but not Barely Legal, Hustler, et al). In fact, when it comes to actual STORES (my friend runs a newsstand on the corner, differant thing) the guys behind the counter tell me they still have "issues" (pun intended, heh) with dudes whacking it in the corner to the mags. Depends on the store, of course, and the neighborhod, but it still happens.

What I did was write interviews, investigative pieces and DVD reviews for the porn mags. This was a side-biz for me because I love sex. LOL Mostly I worked in music and entertainment, but went on a couple porn shoots for Wicked, interviewed Larry Flynt and Al Goldstein, helped Al with some DVD reviews, wrote some funny sex stories for Screw, on and on. Penthouse of the Year parties were always the thing to look forward to back then. LOL

Now I'm a keyboard-pounding monkey. Life eh?

Agent 488 07-11-2011 09:49 AM
this shit is still going on? who gives a fuck!!!

DamianJ 07-11-2011 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274111)
Where shall I start it?
In the offices of Hustler, Trojan, Score or on GFY?
On GFY, how can you start a poll at the offices of Hustler?

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274111)
I'm one of the very few who worked in offline porn. Most of the people here, like you, didn't have a clue what was being made.
Ah, you're too scared to do the poll. I see. More excuses from the lying coward.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274111)
Answer my question I posed about where the money came from.
Why? You've asked it before, dozens of times. It has been answered before.

You think the porn market was worth more before the internet because you used to sell to some hotels? This is FUCKING HILARIOUS.

Really Paul.

The thing is, you actually believe it's true. I have no doubt. No wonder you're so bitter and twisted in your old age. You could have *actually* made millions if you had worked out what the internet was back in the day. Sadly, it still confuses and scares you now! I'd be pissed if I was living in a cottage that is so small I was embarrassed to post a pic of what 40 years in porn bought me.

Are you still looking to get a .xxx?


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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274111)
Where can I buy a .xxx domain
:D

Paul Markham 07-11-2011 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18274146)
On GFY, how can you start a poll at the offices of Hustler?

Ah, you're too scared to do the poll. I see. More excuses from the lying coward.
Then it's a stupid poll. But coming from you that's nothing new.

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Why? You've asked it before, dozens of times. It has been answered before.
So just say you don't know.

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You think the porn market was worth more before the internet because you used to sell to some hotels? This is FUCKING HILARIOUS.
clown. Why not just say you don't know?

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The thing is, you actually believe it's true. I have no doubt. No wonder you're so bitter and twisted in your old age. You could have *actually* made millions if you had worked out what the internet was back in the day. Sadly, it still confuses and scares you now! I'd be pissed if I was living in a cottage that is so small I was embarrassed to post a pic of what 40 years in porn bought me.
As you're clueless about what was made in offline porn where are you getting your stats from? Come on, show us proof.

A lot of money was made in online porn, just not by you.

I did work out what the Internet was.we weren't going to risk the offline income to go for a paysite. Nice that you think I could of made millions with our content. OH fuck, I did.

And you have absolutely no clue how much we made, whether we live in a cottage, rented or owned. We all know you live in a dump, rented dump, look like an idiot with your pornbeer and a massive failure promoting your magic shows.

Paul Markham 07-11-2011 10:49 AM
So Damian, what do you think your next career will be?

You keep ignoring me on this so here's a post all on it's own.

Paul Markham 07-11-2011 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18274128)
this shit is still going on? who gives a fuck!!!
It seems a lot of people give a fuck. Should I post more pics and wind up more trolls?

Cash4Me 07-11-2011 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274052)
Can't say I do. 1991 there were very few Eastern European girls here. Still required a visa.
A picture of hers on Men Only

http://img5.imagevenue.com/loc28/th_...7_123_28lo.jpg

Paul Markham 07-11-2011 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Cash4Me (Post 18274773)
Don't remember her, but she's hot.

Paul Markham 07-12-2011 12:53 AM
But I do remember this one. Fleur was hot and a lot of fun. The naughtiness in her eyes is what makes porn.

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/oldscan07.jpg

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/oldscan08.jpg

Sorry about the quality of the scans.

DamianJ 07-12-2011 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274176)
Then it's a stupid poll. But coming from you that's nothing new.

Paul, you asked the question. I just wanted you to make it an official poll so you could see how no one but you thinks offline porn made more than online.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274176)
So just say you don't know.
clown. Why not just say you don't know?
Because it's already been discussed here, several times. You've probably forgotten. Use the search function.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274176)
As you're clueless about what was made in offline porn where are you getting your stats from? Come on, show us proof.
Stats? There are no public stats. You lied about getting some from Northern and Shell and then were too much of a pussy to admit that when I asked you to post the email you lied about with full headers. Again.Turning into a habit, isn't it? You lie, you get called on it, then you insult the person. :D

But you would have to be really painstakingly stupid to think before the internet porn made more money than after. Really really really stupid.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274176)
I did work out what the Internet was.
Did you forget then? Cos you don't have a fucking clue today. And really, internet stopped having a I about 10 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274176)
we weren't going to risk the offline income to go for a paysite.
You tried lots of pay sites, they just all failed. Magic join links agogo. $5 sites. Astral-blue. LOL.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274176)
Nice that you think I could of made millions with our content. OH fuck, I did.
Where did it all go though Paul?

Now you live in a cottage you are too ashamed off to post a pic.

Sucks to be you :(

No wonder you're so bitter.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274176)
And you have absolutely no clue how much we made, whether we live in a cottage, rented or owned.
I can guess. You live in a small cottage, full of dreadfully tacky nicknacks. You dress like you shop in Lidl. You cannot afford decent kit. Your wife has to work a menial job.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18274176)
We all know you live in a dump, rented dump, look like an idiot with your pornbeer and a massive failure promoting your magic shows.
Well post what your millions bought you Paul! Show us all what 35 years at the top of your game gets you in a village outside Brno. Man up for once. Let is all aspire to be as successful as YOU!

Post away. Let's see what all your millions bought you...

Paul Markham 07-12-2011 01:24 AM
And here are a couple of videos of her.

Fleur 1

Fleur 2

Sorry about the quality, very old. But it's the way she delivers the scene that gets a guy going. Bit playing to the camera, that's normal, still her personality comes through and she delivers to the audience a personal scene.

Will see if I can find the scene of Fleur getting on on a vibrator.

TCLGirls 07-12-2011 01:56 AM
Paul, you keep saying that the porn being produced today is crap.

Can you specifically point to any porn produced today that, in your opinion, is not crap? Please give links/examples.

I ask this because it's hard for me to see where you are coming from when you say current porn is crap, but have no examples to point to.

Paul Markham 07-12-2011 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 18275660)
Paul, you keep saying that the porn being produced today is crap.

Can you specifically point to any porn produced today that, in your opinion, is not crap? Please give links/examples.

I ask this because it's hard for me to see where you are coming from when you say current porn is crap, but have no examples to point to.
Good point.

www.alsscan.com & www./partyhardcore-trial.com & www.ben-dover.com & /www.evilangel.com (if you like high production stuff, were good last time I looked. As was www.perfectgonzo.com before they lost their shooter to Evil Angel.

I like FTV, Lady Sonia, some of Sapphics stuff and I'm sure there's more.

Brazzers has some good stuff in, I just feel let down that a company with, so we're told, power and money. Can't do a lot better. Some of their scenes I reviewed were good and some were bloody awful. Which was agreed by other shooters.

The Duck 07-12-2011 03:33 AM
Nice looking asian woman that one.

Paul Markham 07-12-2011 04:10 AM
You can add www.vivthomas.com to that list as well.

Today it's far tougher to produce great porn. The budgets are slim, many of the shooters lack real experience, models seem a lot more bolshy and very fake plus finding a new fresh one is tough and too much is churned out on a conveyor belt system.

Better cameras, don't equal better porn.

Most of those I quoted have a DVD income as well as online. However if online is the King of porn.

Why have so few online companies employed or partnered properly with these guys. Who has a stable of shooters like Evil Angel. Who employs an in house shooter of the level of Viv Thomas, Ben Dover, etc?

My experience talking to the biggest of programs is the moment is gets to content, they don't seem so rich. Cutting corners and costs seem to be the order of the day. Lensman once told me he thought $500 a shooting day for a shooter was a good wage. I told him for $500 a day he won't get a good shooter. They could then earn far more elsewhere.

We could earn far more than $500 a day, 5 days a week, so we were outside the budget of anyone I ever spoke to. And $500 a day is only $125,000 a year. By no means a good or even great income. Now all the trolls can jump in and tell me I didn't earn $50 a day. Not that they have a clue.

So, did it harm online porn is the question? I can think of many ways.

The problem is in the knowledge of online porn with porn itself. No one so far has answered my questions of the main income sources of a porn shop and a porn producer, prior to the Internet and even today.

And for the record, I'm no where near the level of the guys I named.

DamianJ 07-12-2011 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18275782)
No one so far has answered my questions of the main income sources of a porn shop and a porn producer, prior to the Internet and even today.
That's because you've posted that before and it has been discussed before and, essential, no one cares because the world is laughing so hard at you for actually trying to argue porn as an industry generated more money before the internet took off.

HTH

Your pal

Damian
x

PS I sometimes wish you were trolling when you post such stupid things, but I know you actually do think you're right. Hilarious.

Paul Markham 07-12-2011 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18275620)
Paul, you asked the question. I just wanted you to make it an official poll so you could see how no one but you thinks offline porn made more than online.

Because it's already been discussed here, several times. You've probably forgotten. Use the search function.

Stats? There are no public stats. You lied about getting some from Northern and Shell and then were too much of a pussy to admit that when I asked you to post the email you lied about with full headers. Again.Turning into a habit, isn't it? You lie, you get called on it, then you insult the person. :D

But you would have to be really painstakingly stupid to think before the internet porn made more money than after. Really really really stupid.

Did you forget then? Cos you don't have a fucking clue today. And really, internet stopped having a I about 10 years ago.

You tried lots of pay sites, they just all failed. Magic join links agogo. $5 sites. Astral-blue. LOL.

Where did it all go though Paul?

Now you live in a cottage you are too ashamed off to post a pic.

Sucks to be you :(

No wonder you're so bitter.

I can guess. You live in a small cottage, full of dreadfully tacky nicknacks. You dress like you shop in Lidl. You cannot afford decent kit. Your wife has to work a menial job.

Well post what your millions bought you Paul! Show us all what 35 years at the top of your game gets you in a village outside Brno. Man up for once. Let is all aspire to be as successful as YOU!

Post away. Let's see what all your millions bought you...
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

What will your next career be?

And just for the record, if there are no public stats. Why are you convinced online porn made more money? Not much of it flowed your way.

What was the BS about N&S about? You lying again or drunk?

You said you moved to Arundel. Is that a lie? Post a picture of your new place please.

Damian's street and living room, furnishings via the local tip, wardrobe by Oxfam.

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/damianstreet.jpg

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/damianroom.jpg

For a man who knows so much about Internet Marketing, it hasn't paid you very well..

My street and living room

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/home6.jpg

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/jigsaw2.jpg

For a man who knows so little about the Internet, I seem to have done all right.

Damina, post a picture of your office with a written sign that says, "Paul Markham is a fool".

And I will post one of mine with the wording you choose. Let's see who has the nicer office. Street and living room, I'm 2 up on you.

TheDoc 07-12-2011 04:51 AM
Excluding micro jobs, such as working for a company, etc..
  • Magazines - Full to part rights to secondary, etc.
  • Rights based on type of material (slide, film, etc)
  • Brokering models off.
  • The start of hotel porn.
  • Marketing material rights.
  • Tape/DVD - Porn stores to trade shows to bulk in mags.
  • Direct orders/mail orders, fax orders, etc.
  • Cable Television/Satellite, from direct subscriptions to the start of VoD

Basically all stuff many companies continue to do today... normally managed by one staff member, and would also include online markets today.

TheDoc 07-12-2011 05:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham
So here's a question for all those who think porn was bigger on the Internet. How many ways did a porn shop and porn production company have of making money?
I think a list of ways to make money is close enough, really no reason to bust out all the ways a store can make money when your products aren't part of those income streams. If they sold hot dogs, it's an income stream....

What's more important is that 'average' buyer in a porn store didn't make $80-$120 profit for the store... that's what paysites do. Hell even a magazine had to send out for YEARS to make that, at least 3 times longer than a paysite has to - just to make the same money.

Hell, only VoD was hundreds of millions in sales online... it was kinda cake to make $30k-$50k a month from just a few scenes - what did they have in the 80's that did that? TONS of us tapped into this, some made a little, many made a shit ton... that's before $100's - $1000's per 'scene' other sites pay - these still sell like this today.

Most of the list above is still used today, by many people in our Industry. But you have to stack them all together just to cover one staff member and the company make profit.

TheDoc 07-12-2011 05:14 AM
* thread can be closed now *

DamianJ 07-12-2011 05:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18275804)
And just for the record, if there are no public stats. Why are you convinced online porn made more money?
Because you'd have to have the brains of a potato to think otherwise.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18275804)
What was the BS about N&S about? You lying again or drunk?
Oh Paul, your memory really is going, isn't it?

Last time you went on this rant, I called you on it, and you lied about getting a email from N&S senior exec with their circulation. I asked you to post proof. You couldn't, because you lied about it. Same as usual.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18275804)
You said you moved to Arundel. Is that a lie? Post a picture of your new place please.
I don't claim to have millions Paul, you do.

I'm not *trying* to prove to people I am a millionaire. I'm not. Far from it.

You, however, do claim to have made millions from porn, but are too scared to post a pic of your mansion.

We all want to see what millions buys you. So show us what your 35 years of porn bought you. And don't just post the same stupid shot of your street, or you on the couch. We've seen them. Post on of you standing outside the front of this mansion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18275804)
For a man who knows so much about Internet Marketing, it hasn't paid you very well..
It's paid me just fine thanks. Not millions, but I don't claim it did.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18275804)
OOH THE STREET PIC. AGAIN! lol. Seriously Paul, why do you keep reposting this? What do you think it demonstrates, aside from the bland greyness I imagined a Eastern European place would have?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18275804)
For a man who is meant to know about aesthetics, you clearly have absolutely *no* taste at all. Or is that what Eva thinks looks nice?

Either way, looks like a B&B from Scunthorpe in 1975. Cream leatherette sofa. Nice. ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18275804)
For a man who knows so little about the Internet, I seem to have done all right.
No you don't. You beg for money here and send your wife out to work as a secretary. I don't think Hef makes his birds do filing!

If you think that your sitting room shows the trappings of a porn millionaire, you really haven't been to many porn millionaire's houses.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18275804)
Damina, post a picture of your office with a written sign that says, "Paul Markham is a fool".
What do you think this is? 419baiter?

You post one of your CRT and windows 98me running, I will then show you what a real set up looks like.

But you won't. Because you are scared of everyone laughing at you. As usual.

All mouth and no trousers.

Paul Markham 07-12-2011 05:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18275863)
Because you'd have to have the brains of a potato to think otherwise.
So you don't know and just babbling.

Quote:
Oh Paul, your memory really is going, isn't it?

Last time you went on this rant, I called you on it, and you lied about getting a email from N&S senior exec with their circulation. I asked you to post proof. You couldn't, because you lied about it. Same as usual.
Lying again, go find the post.

Quote:
I don't claim to have millions Paul, you do.

I'm not *trying* to prove to people I am a millionaire. I'm not. Far from it.

You, however, do claim to have made millions from porn, but are too scared to post a pic of your mansion.

We all want to see what millions buys you. So show us what your 35 years of porn bought you. And don't just post the same stupid shot of your street, or you on the couch. We've seen them. Post on of you standing outside the front of this mansion.
Do the maths moron. 34 years in porn, $2 million isn't a lot and over the years I made more than that, a lot more. Seems a lot to you, but what the fuck. You're broke. When did I say I lived in anything but a bedroom detached house. The mansion thing is you continuing to lie. You really must stop lying. Where did I claim to be a millionaire? You must stop lying. I will never post a picture of the front of my house for obvious reasons.

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It's paid me just fine thanks. Not millions, but I don't claim it did.
Well you do claim to know a lot about so much. Which has got you so little. You claim to be in marketing, yet you market yourself as a failure and a fool.

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OOH THE STREET PIC. AGAIN! lol. Seriously Paul, why do you keep reposting this? What do you think it demonstrates, aside from the bland greyness I imagined a Eastern European place would have?
It's a lovely quiet street where kids can play without the fear of being knocked over. Which of those second hand cars belongs to you? Not 1 decent car on the street. People don't have garages where you are.
Quote:
For a man who is meant to know about aesthetics, you clearly have absolutely *no* taste at all. Or is that what Eva thinks looks nice?

Either way, looks like a B&B from Scunthorpe in 1975. Cream leatherette sofa. Nice. ;)
And your decor looks like you got it from the local rubbish dump. I suppose living in such a small hovel storage space is short.
Quote:
No you don't. You beg for money here and send your wife out to work as a secretary. I don't think Hef makes his birds do filing!
I linked to thread where you lie about me begging for money. You must of read it, or a stupid liar. The glasses thread was a joke.

Quote:
If you think that your sitting room shows the trappings of a porn millionaire, you really haven't been to many porn millionaire's houses.
It's a home, sorry if it's not luxurious enough for you.

What do you think this is? 419baiter?

You post one of your CRT and windows 98me running, I will then show you what a real set up looks like.

A picture of my desk, Eva's desk, note the server and 3 computers. Got a few laptops as well.

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/office4.jpg

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/office5.jpg


Yes our offices look a shabby as your living room. I showed you mine, now you show me yours.

What will your next career be Damian?

I'm off to sit in the garden and read a book. Came back just to wind you up, will be back to do some more.

And the Jibe about Eva working, what does your wife do for a living?

DamianJ 07-12-2011 05:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18275920)
I will never post a picture of the front of my house for obvious reasons.
Because it is as shit as your crappy office with those tiny monitors and cheap desks and chairs?

Paul, man, tidy up once in a while.

Really.

Maybe when your wife has finished opening the post and filing in her day job she could at least clean up a bit for you?

PS I can't believe you *actually* went to the trouble of taking those pictures to try and prove you are a millionaire. You're fail skills are laughable today. Well done. Fuck Paul, never leave here. You make me laugh so much. You're my bitch. Hehe.

Paul Markham 07-12-2011 06:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18275929)
Because it is as shit as your crappy office with those tiny monitors and cheap desks and chairs?

Paul, man, tidy up once in a while.

Really.

Maybe when your wife has finished opening the post and filing in her day job she could at least clean up a bit for you?

PS I can't believe you *actually* went to the trouble of taking those pictures to try and prove you are a millionaire. You're fail skills are laughable today. Well done. Fuck Paul, never leave here. You make me laugh so much. You're my bitch. Hehe.
A man whose living room looks like a tip, is telling me my office is untidy. :1orglaugh

When did I say I was a millionaire? You're lying again.

So post a picture of your office. Let's see all your hi tech equipment, wide screens, expensive office chairs.

Eva's desk is the more untidy. :1orglaugh

What does your wife do for a living?

Back to the garden, bye.

DamianJ 07-12-2011 06:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18276065)
When did I say I was a millionaire?
Here

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18274176&postcount=121

And you constantly go on about how many million you made.

You and your memory!


Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18276065)
So post a picture of your office. Let's see all your hi tech equipment, wide screens, expensive office chairs.
I wouldn't want to make you ashamed.

My chair alone cost more than all your office furniture put together. Herman Miller ftw.

DamianJ 07-12-2011 06:51 AM
http://img.skitch.com/20100313-bk7i1...4pwqwwwcyk.jpg

Paul Markham 07-12-2011 10:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18276082)
Here

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18274176&postcount=121

And you constantly go on about how many million you made.

You and your memory!
Your troll game is getting weak. I never said I was a millionaire. Liar you are.

$2m divided by 33 years = $60,606 a year. That in English money so you understand it better is less than £739 a week. Come on troll, that's easy, it's like one set a week into a magazine. Please stop branding yourself as a failure.

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I wouldn't want to make you ashamed.

My chair alone cost more than all your office furniture put together. Herman Miller ftw.
Come on show it or people will think. Liar you are. http://www.usedaeronchairs.co.uk

theking 07-12-2011 02:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18276690)
Your troll game is getting weak. I never said I was a millionaire. Liar you are.

$2m divided by 33 years = $60,606 a year. That in English money so you understand it better is less than £739 a week. Come on troll, that's easy, it's like one set a week into a magazine. Please stop branding yourself as a failure.



Come on show it or people will think. Liar you are. http://www.usedaeronchairs.co.uk
Finally getting closer to the truth...now aren't you? You made a living and that is about it. Which means your current wealth has to be pretty minimal and would explain why you once stated that the money your wife earns comes in handy.

Paul Markham 07-12-2011 11:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theking (Post 18277470)
Finally getting closer to the truth...now aren't you? You made a living and that is about it. Which means your current wealth has to be pretty minimal and would explain why you once stated that the money your wife earns comes in handy.
The trolling here is getting very very weak.

Private, go read it again.

Dismissed, now go clean the latrines and peel the spuds. :1orglaugh

theking 07-12-2011 11:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18278452)
The trolling here is getting very very weak.

Private, go read it again.

Dismissed, now go clean the latrines and peel the spuds. :1orglaugh
FYI...I have not been on active duty since '92 and I have not been a Private since '80.

Jel 07-13-2011 11:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18271336)

Traffic never was king because getting it was so easy.
From the bloke who posted this little gem "that would mean 100k unique surfers per month - do you know ANYONE with that much traffic???"

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Jel 07-13-2011 11:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham
Think the message through, 1000 joins = $30,000 a month turn over. How much traffic? Top quality at 1-100 = 100,000 hits, do you know anyone with that much traffic?
Is in fact the exact quote, made March 15 2007

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Paul Markham 07-14-2011 12:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jel (Post 18281089)
Is in fact the exact quote, made March 15 2007

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
Seriously Jel you're not very good at this trolling game are you?

March 2007 who had that much quality traffic?

How does someone get 100k of uniques that will convert at 1-100?

I await your answer.

Getting 100k uniques is dead easy, which is why traffic isn't king. According to Fabian Pornhub has 20 million uniques a day. But conversion ratios are probably up in the 1-10,000 ratios. Not on banner clicks, on actual surfers to sales.

If traffic all converted at the same ratios. No matter how much or how you got it or where you sent it. Then traffic would be king. It doesn't so conversions and retentions are king, because that's what really puts money in our pockets.

The problem is you don't understand that part and all you and many do understand is how to throw more traffic to sites. Traffic that's clearly converting less and less. Now you can tell us you've never done any better and make yourself out to look like a liar.

The increase in revenue in online porn was not due to the free porn being put out. It was due to the increase in people coming online. That growth is over and now the growth is slow in quality traffic and the growth of people soaking up free porn is building.

There's never been so much online porn traffic and so little buying. So how does that make traffic king?


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