Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18268954)

10 years later and traffic is still king. Just ask Manwin. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that one of their large tube sites, you know the model based around traffic, nets more in a month than you've made in your entire 30+ year career. Certainly combined their properties do. The only real question is by how large of a factor?

You might want to send a quick note off to Google and tell them they're doing it wrong. If they'd only spend more time creating their own content and less time worrying about traffic (which is apparently EASY to get), think of how successfull they might have been!

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18268888)

Put down the spliff and go do some work.

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18268954)

10 years later and traffic is still king. Just ask Manwin. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that one of their large tube sites, you know the model based around traffic, nets more in a month than you've made in your entire 30+ year career. Certainly combined their properties do. The only real question is by how large of a factor?

You might want to send a quick note off to Google and tell them they're doing it wrong. If they'd only spend more time creating their own content and less time worrying about traffic (which is apparently EASY to get), think of how successfull they might have been!

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18268938)

badly scanning bad porn

Originally Posted by Sausage (Post 18268903)

No paul the hating started when you pretended to know anything about internet porn and marketing on the internet.

Though the good news is that 80's style porn still holds some value for older surfers :)

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18268938)

Yes. Rarity. You worked at a time when porn was illegal to make and distribute in the UK, didn't you?

Very few people did it. You didn't need to be good, as your work in this thread proves beyond any shadow of a doubt. You needed to be prepared to break the law and be a criminal.

You were prepared to do that, and it paid off. You spent a few years making a few bob, no doubt. YOu built up lots of content you then sold cheaply on the internet. You tried and failed to make some pay sites. (Remember the 5 buck sites, they were funny).

Now, you are rich and living in your huge house badly scanning bad porn waiting for your wife to come home from work to cook your dinner.

As you shout at clouds.

Hope that helps clear it up for you.

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18268954)

10 years later and traffic is still king. Just ask Manwin. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that one of their large tube sites, you know the model based around traffic, nets more in a month than you've made in your entire 30+ year career. Certainly combined their properties do. The only real question is by how large of a factor?

You might want to send a quick note off to Google and tell them they're doing it wrong. If they'd only spend more time creating their own content and less time worrying about traffic (which is apparently EASY to get), think of how successfull they might have been!

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 18268963)

I don't know anything about photography and I have no beef with Paul Markham and I generally don't go around trolling, but all I can say is if I had to choose between a Sears catalogue and those photos posted above as jack-off material, I would choose the Sears catalogue. Those photos aren't attractive at all.

Originally Posted by YDG (Post 18269520)

I think Paul's point in this thread was to say its great to be making money out of shoots he made 25 years ago.

Astral blue will no doubt be remembered by many older guys who may well be searching Google for some pics or movies of her, as they used to enjoy wanking off to her when they were younger.

I just Googled Astral Blue and Pauls site was the top result.

Therefore, no doubt some guys are paying to look at her content.

Good call I'd say, we all have models from the past we would love to see more of, and the internet is not 100% based around guys who want to see more of Alison Angel or some other well known model from the last 5 years.

Old porn will always sell to the older guys, don't knock it. We still sell hundreds of memberships a year to guys after sets with girls we shot 10 years ago.

:)

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18271332)

Are you really this stupid?

Magazines were not illegal, those pictures were not illegal. Even the videos I sold were not illegal, they weren't licenses and yes I took the risk. But in the last 14 years I've only dealt in legal porn.

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 18268464)

Great find, a document of the times where sexyness wasn't invented yet ...

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18271342)

They were great for the time. the quality of the images is down to being shot on negatives which are now around 20 years old.

As a shooter who sold to an area in porn that few other online porn shooters could. What does that say about the rest?

Honest question. When so many custom shooters were working for $300 a scene they sold out right, why do you think none sold to magazines? Make a real honest reply, because if I was good enough, they weren't in some way.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18268675)

I've said it a 1,000 times

Originally Posted by YDG (Post 18269520)

I think Paul's point in this thread was to say its great to be making money out of shoots he made 25 years ago.

Astral blue will no doubt be remembered by many older guys who may well be searching Google for some pics or movies of her, as they used to enjoy wanking off to her when they were younger.

I just Googled Astral Blue and Pauls site was the top result.

Therefore, no doubt some guys are paying to look at her content.

Good call I'd say, we all have models from the past we would love to see more of, and the internet is not 100% based around guys who want to see more of Alison Angel or some other well known model from the last 5 years.

Old porn will always sell to the older guys, don't knock it. We still sell hundreds of memberships a year to guys after sets with girls we shot 10 years ago.

:)

Originally Posted by justinsain (Post 18271482)

Serious question as I'm genuinely interested. :)

Did you shoot on your own and then sell sets to magazines or were you a staff shooter?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18271817)

Always been a self employed shooter. Employed staff when I was selling via mail order in the UK. Damian has posted I employed staff in the UK. When we were here in Czech we employed 8 staff. That was clearly posted and ignored in Squealers post.



It was joint negotiations. Usually the only thing the magazines were interested in was First or Second rights in the country they were publishing from.



That was the entire idea of shooting content. A very good set, like ones of the girls these trolls are flaming, Could sell First rights UK ($1,000), US $1800-$2400), in EU countries (prices ranged form $300 to $1,000, Japan, Australia, then to phone adverts, then on the Internet and now in phones. Then we gave content to Photorama who sold it to the world. With some restrictions. Earning $5,000 from a good solo girl set isn't unusual. Some of the guys at the top of the tree would earn $10,000 from a single set.



They sometimes did, but they knew the value of good content and knew it cost money. Why buy an edition of Club or Knave that month? The content inside.


No because by the time Club published it in the UK, Barely Legal might be only having it on the shelf ready to publish. Also they were different countries. Club UK, Barely Legal US. The idea of exclusive one off sales started with online porn and mainly because of the fortune Zmasters made with their discs of content and the fools who bought it because it was cheap. The idea of saturating a set inside a mainstream members are slim and to do so the sales to the creator are immense. The exclusive content was born out of the saturation on TGP sites, a mod on a TGP was seeing the same content over and over again from too many affiliates submitting.

for shooters it's about how much WE make. Not how happy your affiliates are. Nice to keep them happy, but not at our financial cost.

Also a few could produce better content by going exclusive. Most produced worse.



If you were submitting the same set to different magazines in the same countries, then you had a problem. submitting to a Club UK, Barely Legal US, Seventeen in Holland, wasn't a problem and we knew it. So shot each set with duplicate frames, which we sorted out on the light box. This was in the days of transparencies.



Yes, today with the decline of all other markets shooters have little options. The online porn guys have reduced the market to to what it is. However up until we had our set backs, there was still more money in not selling exclusive. Take these sets as an example. Each one of these sets or sets and videos have sold around 100 times from the stores. Then add magazines and DVD sales, we actually did an exchange deal with Scala for 6 scenes for one of ours. So we got 6 of their scenes to sell online for one of ours for them to sell on DVD. Also did a similar deal with a US company. Do the maths. As I said, I pay my bills with my income, not yours or your affiliates.

And that was always the situation. Custom paid very badly and I have never seen a regular off line magazine shooter shooting for online custom. Never seen an online company selling to magazines and only recently did I see online porn selling to the DVD part of the industry.

This was an enormous failing on their part. The profit that could of been earned was there ready to be taken. It could of been another arm of an existing business, it could of been a completely new stream of income. It could of meant for custom shooter giving up shooting scenes exclusive for $300 and shooting non exclusive for $3,000

Damian posted how little I understood the Internet and online marketing. Well most of online marketing doesn't pay affiliates 50%+ and supply them every single tool they need and give the product away in quantities that reduce sales.

The Internet is merely the vehicle we use that delivers the porn, clueless about printing. Because I don't need to know about it to produce porn.

The problem is many of the online porn "gurus" don't understand porn or marketing porn. And that's the business we are in.

Porn is a stimuli for the fantasy the viewer can grab onto and enjoy himself. Many imagine themselves in the situation being presented. That situation could be some Granny naked in her bed sit or a top model having sex in a mansion. What's required is reality. The viewer has to think it's real. And sadly most of the porn produced today isn't real or just cloned copies of what everyone else is doing. It's massed produced cheap crap. And the only reason fools think traffic is king is because so many of the surfers don't buy.

If 99 people in 100 don't buy, that's a big problem. When 999 in 1,000 don't buy it's become a disaster. These stats are from before the days of Tubes and not banner clicks. The only real solution is to look long and hard at the product and think why don't they buy? Then fix that problem and start converting a lot better. Throwing more traffic at the problem isn't a solution.

If members are only staying 2-3 months on average, that's a problem. It means in a few months they bored with the formula of porn on that site. Sites should be retaining a lot lot longer. The road to success is producing something that the buyer can't get in 100 other places and keeps him hanging on for the next edition. Much like Harry Potter. :winkwink:

Yes producing porn 30 years ago was a lot easier, there were far less places for the buyers to buy. The need to be great wasn't so needed. Also great in 1981 wasn't what would be termed as great in 2011. Today the buyer can get a girl being fucked on a sofa in the same or similar way on 100s if not 1000s of sites. Plus he can get 1000s of free scenes on porn Tubes.

The need to be very good, very unique and really concentrating on the customers needs are paramount. Well they should be.

Still you see people bleating the same solution to all the problems we faced years ago. Traffic. Throwing more traffic at a bad product isn't the way to get more sales. As is clear by now. Converting more of the traffic you have is the solution. Plus anyone, it seems can throw traffic at a site and it makes affiliates king if that's the model.

This solution has turned ratios from 1-50 to 1-5,000 on some sites. Brazzers for one. By not giving the product away for free, not shaping a product and industry to suit affiliates and definitely not paying them what we do. would of meant ratios back in the same realms of 2000. Imagine that with all the additional traffic we have today. Imagine the loss of income and what you could of done with the money.

Yes that's the opportunity lost. :(

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18271904)

What a way to spend a Saturday night Paulie.

I'm guessing Eva was out with friends her own age and left you at home to post essays about shit on GFY?

Fuck your life.

:)

x

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18271939)

No Eva and I went to an open air cinema.

Fuck my life???????

I'm happily retired, with enough money to see me through to the end of my days. I live in our nice 3 bedroom house in a sleepy little village in Czech, which is where I choose to live because I love it here. Not for any other reason, we could move back to the UK, but our standard of living would come crashing down and England holds nothing for me. We own the house, lock stock and barrel. come over and see the deeds.

I have a wife who loves me, a daughter who loves me and a dog who I'm not sure about but he does follow me everywhere I go.

I watched Eva recover from an accident that should of killed her, beat very advanced cancer that should of killed me. After 2 years of really being out of working, both recovering and looking after me. She's happy to go back to work and have something that challenges her.

I've had a career that most of you would of loved to have. While you sit there punching a keyboard I was taking pictures and movies of naked girls doing wonderful things to themselves and getting paid well to do it.

After getting rid of the studio and staff, stopping shooting, the sites still bring in money, that we can add to our small pile. In a business where most of you wouldn't last 3 months after what happened to us, that's pretty good. Don't you think?

I have, the money we didn't blow on boys toys and mortgages like so many, my private pensions and State invalid benefits. Don't tell me I'm a parasite, I paid for every penny I'm getting now many times over.

I'm now scanning stuff from 25 years ago. Nice because I can see how I progressed as a shooter, remember some great days and brings home how much I grew.

The downsides to my life are. My saliva glands are fucked and will never recover. My strength and stamina is pretty poor, the Manwin shoot proved to me I will never come back to shooting. Whether I want to or not. I'm physically not capable.

I'm truly pissed that people like you turned what should of been the new dawn of porn, into it's dusk. As far as making money. You online guys missed the opportunity of a lifetime. Few have the chances you did to make billions. You fucked up.

If 1-100 buy. 99 don't. 99 lost customers. If 1-1,000 buy, 999 don't buy. If the reason they don't buy is the amount of free porn online, legit free porn. Or the lack of will to join the site, the fix isn't throwing more traffic at it. But for 10 years and more, that's the only fix many of you could think of.

And you put the growing traffic down to all the people wanting the free porn. did you really think those who would buy or were remotely interested in porn wouldn't come anyway? If you did, you don't understand marketing porn online, offline or any bloody way you can imagine. Men like looking at porn, they will look at porn given the chance, by supplying them with millions of free galleries you diminish their need to buy the product.

This was something people knew a decade ago. People were saying that too much content in a gallery was hurting sales. But if one gallery had 10 pictures in, the archives had 10,000 other galleries. Today the problem is the same it was then. Just got worse because you kept thinking more traffic = more sales. And used the most stupid excuses possible to back that claim.

No traffic no sales = But use content to get traffic.

They can sell water and water's free. = If you live with your Mum it is, otherwise you pay for water out the tap.

They give away free samples in supermarkets. = They don't give away a crate of them.

MacDonalds can sell crap burgers = Not by giving them away for free.

Yes I'm pissed that idiots turned what should of been a business that was thriving into a business that can nearly see it's end. Unless you give away porn to sell ad space.

Seriously though Damian and please don't ignore this. Where will you be working in 5 years time? Still in your living room or your Mum's living room or where?

Don't worry about my life, it's fine. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by bjlover (Post 18271933)

Get a life. Seriously

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18271947)

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18271939)

No Eva and I went to an open air cinema.

Fuck my life???????

I'm happily retired, with enough money to see me through to the end of my days. I live in our nice 3 bedroom house in a sleepy little village in Czech, which is where I choose to live because I love it here. Not for any other reason, we could move back to the UK, but our standard of living would come crashing down and England holds nothing for me. We own the house, lock stock and barrel. come over and see the deeds.

I have a wife who loves me, a daughter who loves me and a dog who I'm not sure about but he does follow me everywhere I go.

I watched Eva recover from an accident that should of killed her, beat very advanced cancer that should of killed me. After 2 years of really being out of working, both recovering and looking after me. She's happy to go back to work and have something that challenges her.

I've had a career that most of you would of loved to have. While you sit there punching a keyboard I was taking pictures and movies of naked girls doing wonderful things to themselves and getting paid well to do it.

After getting rid of the studio and staff, stopping shooting, the sites still bring in money, that we can add to our small pile. In a business where most of you wouldn't last 3 months after what happened to us, that's pretty good. Don't you think?

I have, the money we didn't blow on boys toys and mortgages like so many, my private pensions and State invalid benefits. Don't tell me I'm a parasite, I paid for every penny I'm getting now many times over.

I'm now scanning stuff from 25 years ago. Nice because I can see how I progressed as a shooter, remember some great days and brings home how much I grew.

The downsides to my life are. My saliva glands are fucked and will never recover. My strength and stamina is pretty poor, the Manwin shoot proved to me I will never come back to shooting. Whether I want to or not. I'm physically not capable.

I'm truly pissed that people like you turned what should of been the new dawn of porn, into it's dusk. As far as making money. You online guys missed the opportunity of a lifetime. Few have the chances you did to make billions. You fucked up.

If 1-100 buy. 99 don't. 99 lost customers. If 1-1,000 buy, 999 don't buy. If the reason they don't buy is the amount of free porn online, legit free porn. Or the lack of will to join the site, the fix isn't throwing more traffic at it. But for 10 years and more, that's the only fix many of you could think of.

And you put the growing traffic down to all the people wanting the free porn. did you really think those who would buy or were remotely interested in porn wouldn't come anyway? If you did, you don't understand marketing porn online, offline or any bloody way you can imagine. Men like looking at porn, they will look at porn given the chance, by supplying them with millions of free galleries you diminish their need to buy the product.

This was something people knew a decade ago. People were saying that too much content in a gallery was hurting sales. But if one gallery had 10 pictures in, the archives had 10,000 other galleries. Today the problem is the same it was then. Just got worse because you kept thinking more traffic = more sales. And used the most stupid excuses possible to back that claim.

No traffic no sales = But use content to get traffic.

They can sell water and water's free. = If you live with your Mum it is, otherwise you pay for water out the tap.

They give away free samples in supermarkets. = They don't give away a crate of them.

MacDonalds can sell crap burgers = Not by giving them away for free.

Yes I'm pissed that idiots turned what should of been a business that was thriving into a business that can nearly see it's end. Unless you give away porn to sell ad space.

Seriously though Damian and please don't ignore this. Where will you be working in 5 years time? Still in your living room or your Mum's living room or where?

Don't worry about my life, it's fine. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by nikki99 (Post 18272387)

why older guys get this grumpy? I know many and they are all the same, what is the deal I don´t get it

Originally Posted by nikki99 (Post 18272387)

why older guys get this grumpy? I know many and they are all the same, what is the deal I don´t get it

Originally Posted by YDG (Post 18269520)

I think Paul's point in this thread was to say its great to be making money out of shoots he made 25 years ago.

Astral blue will no doubt be remembered by many older guys who may well be searching Google for some pics or movies of her, as they used to enjoy wanking off to her when they were younger.

I just Googled Astral Blue and Pauls site was the top result.

Therefore, no doubt some guys are paying to look at her content.

Good call I'd say, we all have models from the past we would love to see more of, and the internet is not 100% based around guys who want to see more of Alison Angel or some other well known model from the last 5 years.

Old porn will always sell to the older guys, don't knock it. We still sell hundreds of memberships a year to guys after sets with girls we shot 10 years ago.

:)

Originally Posted by BVF (Post 18272006)

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 18273294)

Paul... I can't keep it straight...

So you can make money now in porn? Even with old content?

Amazing.

Boy am I glad we didn't sell off all our titles rights now like all those other old school companies!

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18271939)

If 1-100 buy. 99 don't. 99 lost customers. If 1-1,000 buy, 999 don't buy. If the reason they don't buy is the amount of free porn online, legit free porn. Or the lack of will to join the site, the fix isn't throwing more traffic at it. But for 10 years and more, that's the only fix many of you could think of.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18273311)

No still broke and have to send Eva out to clean floors so we can eat this week. :1orglaugh

How you and your brother doing?

Was wondering, when we met is San Diego, did I have Eva with me or was it earlier than that and my Filipino wife was with me? Anyway thanks for the lunch. :thumbsup

On a business note, I'm sure there's money in the old archives of many a porn company. Pre 1995 Private was great, Anabolic gang bangs, Zane and a ton more. Some companies really should be looking at if they can buy Internet licenses on this old stuff.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18273311)

my Filipino wife was with me? Anyway thanks for the lunch.

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 18273322)

Not sure because you met with my bro, not me, unfortunately since I certainly would've enjoyed meeting you in person. I know I give a bit of jab jab with some nudge nudge wink wink from time to to time but I will say this... I do respect that you had the foresight to realize what retaining ownership meant.

I appeared in and/or shot for quite a few of those -Private, Anabolic, Zane, Odyssey, LBO, etc. back in the day so I will take that as a compliment...:winkwink: