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hopefully the sec will investigate this stock.Comment
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So I wonder what would happen if someone released a totally free adult dating/adult social network site ? Over time the adult dating niche would have to change wouldn't it ? Imagine a Facebook like site that allowed adult ? Would that be game over for paid adult dating ?Comment
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20% up....Comment
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Looks like they had a decent jump up today...Comment
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The reason it went up is they released their financials. They lost less this quarter versus the same quarter last year. This (I'm guessing) is what caused the temporary uptick in the stock price. Day high was $6.44. Now it's already back down below $6. Give it a couple more weeks and it will be trading in the $3's.Comment
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Pretty sure the reason they operate at a loss on a monthly basis is the interest payments they make on the $500M plus in debt. They don't have the operating profit to make those interest payments and stay in the black. That's why they pushed almost all of the $50M raised at the debt and cut it from $550M to little over $500M.Comment
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up almost 20% today!Comment
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up 20% since thread started yesterday!Comment
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almost 20% increase today after earnings were reported yesterday
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We have started a free adult social networking site. www.meetprofiles.com , as tubes have shown, it's hard to compete with free.Comment
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Looks like a bunch of people dumped when it jumped up this week.Comment
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You have the idea, however our montezation models won't be immediately obvious to users for at least six to twelve months. We have put many weeks and months into the planning of the monetization of this site, one thing I can say for sure is that we won't ever be moving from a free to use to a paid to use model.Comment
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down .30 right nowComment
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Most stocks suck in general and do the opposite of what the majority of people want them to do. Look for shorting opportunities out there...
and why would anyone here buy FFN after all the negative comments posted over the years.
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Down another 10% to $4.15 today.
2 weeks until it drops below $2?Comment
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has any stock ever headed for the bottom this fast?
3.96 now but, off lows of 3.89. That would be daily AND 52 week lows. This company now has a capitalization of 3x cash.
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I predict FFN will take another hit when the inevitable shareholder class action suit is filed.Support American Heroes | How Bad is My Batch? | Vaccine Deaths & Adverse Reactions | Free Speech Coalition | <WARNING> ePayService / Guerra Capital, INC / MTACC payments | Flirt4Free Fucks their Affiliates | Don't do business with piece of shit Andy Alvarez from Webmaster Central / VR3000, who said:
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FFN is currently at $4.15, but I think it still has a lot further to go on the downside. The market cap is currently $116 M. I think it should bottom out around $1 - 2 dollars. That's when it'll have a market cap around $25 - $50 M.Comment
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If the stock drops to $1-2 dollars, that should be the lowest of the low.
At that point, they can attempt to clean up their assets, which might take a bit. But the stock will stay around that same price throughout.
If they do manage to survive while cleaning up, the stock will go up and stay up for the long term.
It's easy to shit on someone you hate, but they do have a fair chance at holding on IMO
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At issue is the 450m debt and the fact that they net to common average loss of 40m. Sales is 350m and the gross number is great. The problems are selling and general 117.11m annual (wtf?) and interest 88m. Those two numbers eat all their gross.If the stock drops to $1-2 dollars, that should be the lowest of the low.
At that point, they can attempt to clean up their assets, which might take a bit. But the stock will stay around that same price throughout.
If they do manage to survive while cleaning up, the stock will go up and stay up for the long term.
It's easy to shit on someone you hate, but they do have a fair chance at holding on IMO
How do you pay 88m interest on 450m? What did they do, go to a loan shark? Put it on their capital one card? if they got better terms on that and cut 20% of their selling and general (like stop sending affiliates on jets with penthouse models) they'd be profitable and their cap would go up to 500m again.Comment
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POF (plentyoffish) has been around for many years and has a lot of traffic and is 100% free. But, you don't always find the best looking girls there. Now if you like heavy girls POF is a gold mine for you. I think they should rename that site plenty of whales.
I've never used AFF but ive heard people say they have and have met nice looking girls from it so I suppose some of the profiles are real, good looking girls. I think sites like AFF have taken a hit from social networking like facebook / myspace and free dating sites like POF, but there will always be a market for paid, adult nature hookup/dating where you pay for better quality.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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It's still got quite a ways to go lower yet.Comment
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The stock might die, but the health of the company is still fairly strong. They still have 900k + subscribers, if they want to turn massive amounts of profit, they could simply cut a lot of expenses.
They are a very big beast and I am sure they are doing just fine. The stock price is headed downward because there is little shareholder value. Anyone who is taking those shares is an idiot, but hey, there are still ppl taking shares (Jigo City).
Can't hate on AFF really. They tried. And they did get some $. They'll just continue to run the company as is, service the debt, the insiders will continue to take awesome salaries and eventually try to dump their shares for more cash.
Basically, even if the stock price drops or they de-list, AFF isn't going anywhere. It just means their paper shares aren't valuable. If you could go out and convince a bunch of people to give you $50m for no real rights to the company except paper shares, and then those paper shares are only worth $10m, but you're company gets to keep the $50m, whose the winner in that deal and who is the loser?Last edited by Biggy2; 09-15-2011, 08:07 PM.Comment
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2.52 close, pretty much on the low of the day, and heading downwards in a pretty constant fashion.
biggy, aff has a problem, which is without influxes of new people the value to the old drops. their problem isnt anything else other than cost of acquiring new customers. when you net $100 from a member and it costs you $140 to get them, you have a problem that cannot be fixed by doing more of the same.Comment
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"the stock might die but the health of the company is strong" The stock is a good indication of the health of the company. A financially strong company's stock price goes up not drops like a rock and will eventually get delisted.
Also you keep making the same mistake that several other people here do, that don't know what they are talking about. It's not "AFF" it's Friend Finder Network. While AFF has been profitable in the past, it's the penthouse crew that is running the show and it's penthouse's failing mag biz + stupid attornies and countless lawsuits, terrible management etc etc etc that is ruining the company. The same penthouse crew that bought ibill and ran it into the fucking ground. Not to mention there is the 500M of debt that "FFN" created getting AFF and the fact that they are losing money each quarter (that's right sales - expenses = negative income).
Penthouse and Marc Bell can only con people so many times. They already tapped all the banks and investors they could get their hands on and they are still 500M in the hole. Tapping everyday stock buyers via the nasdaq was their last avenue to turn to. They running out of people to borrow from and their big fat high interest loans are coming due soon. At best the company will go bankrupt and be piece mealed out to try to re cope some money for investors, but just like ibill went down, those of you who are really owed the money at the end will get screwed again.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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The same company that got them put through for their ipo at $10 a shares reports that the company's shares will be worth $14 a year for now LMAO... there are bigger crooks then in this industry... $14 a share a year from now??? It is dropping like a rock down to $2.50 and wont even be listed a year from now much less worth $14....ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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I wonder who lends them money at this point?.
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Investor turn porn site owner .. coolComment
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$2.42... another 4% haircut today.Comment
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All my pervy friends use this to hook up constantly. Men, Women and Couples.
Totally free as far as I know.Comment
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If only stocks worked that way; when you issue a stock and make statements about its value, you make yourself vulnerable to CA lawsuits if it drops in this fashion. "taking 50m from a bunch of rubes" has consequences, and many of those rubes have lawyers. To properly defend yourself, you'll spend millions. They don't have millions. The real issue is the debt and their S&G. Reduce those and the stock will head up and diminish exposure to this kind of potential liability.Comment
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Stock price moves up and down by the 'perceived' value of the company, not the real or actual value. Sometimes it does move with actual value, when markets act rationally. Many times markets act irrationally. It moves up when more people buy the shares then sell, and vice versa. If you deny this, then you really don't understand the market."the stock might die but the health of the company is strong" The stock is a good indication of the health of the company. A financially strong company's stock price goes up not drops like a rock and will eventually get delisted.
Also you keep making the same mistake that several other people here do, that don't know what they are talking about. It's not "AFF" it's Friend Finder Network. While AFF has been profitable in the past, it's the penthouse crew that is running the show and it's penthouse's failing mag biz + stupid attornies and countless lawsuits, terrible management etc etc etc that is ruining the company. The same penthouse crew that bought ibill and ran it into the fucking ground. Not to mention there is the 500M of debt that "FFN" created getting AFF and the fact that they are losing money each quarter (that's right sales - expenses = negative income).
Penthouse and Marc Bell can only con people so many times. They already tapped all the banks and investors they could get their hands on and they are still 500M in the hole. Tapping everyday stock buyers via the nasdaq was their last avenue to turn to. They running out of people to borrow from and their big fat high interest loans are coming due soon. At best the company will go bankrupt and be piece mealed out to try to re cope some money for investors, but just like ibill went down, those of you who are really owed the money at the end will get screwed again.
Last I checked they were paying the debt down, and yes, they could go bankrupt, but once again, what does that truly mean for the operations of the company. It's all financial games, but if your an insider, typically you come out ahead, no matter what the situation. That's the problem with the stock market, it's a game for insiders.Comment
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Correct on the lawsuit. I believe one law firm has already issued an investigation into them (See: http://suemyadvisor.com/blog/press-r...g-thalmann-131). However, it might be hard to prove. I mean, I did hear Marc Bell go on CNBC and claim they were somehow bigger than Facebook, but according to some metrics he might be bigger than them. Shit, GroupON was inventing fake metrics to market their stock. At the same time, I never heard any crazy comments where they totally misrepresented their stock, in fact there was pretty good coverage from the get go.
But you are all missing my point, and the point is this: Gloating about how their share price is moving downward is a sign that they are going out of business tomorrow, and then basking in that glory because you are certain this is true, is highly inaccurate on your part. Their stock price is totally disconnected, most definitely in the short term, fom their operations. That stock price could go to $.50, and I don't think much would change operationally. These things are more complex than you make them out to be, its not 1 + 1 = 2.
With respect to their debt, I am pretty sure if you take out the one-time charges, AFF still makes plenty of money. They can make even more money cutting their expenses and pulling other defensive, non-growth moves. Marc Bell isn't an idiot, no matter how much you want to hate on him - that is my secondary point. Btw, I am not a judge, I don't give a shit what Marc Bell does. I'm not a fanboy, nor a hater, but one thing he is not, is an idiot.
If you had to ask me, and I am no wizard, the stock is going down for a variety of reasons. One being who the fuck would want to be a shareholder in this from a business perspective, the story isn't that great as you guys know with their debt. The second is, Mary, Jane, Jack, John, and Harry don't want to own a porno stock. Once again, it means little to their operations, except little or no access to future cash from the public market.
Let me draw a chart for you:
Business <-- (controlled by) --> Insiders (Marc Bell) --> (then) Debt Holders --> then Shareholders (last in line).
You can have a fairly healthy business controlled by insiders, with a shitty value proposition for shareholders, especially when it's an adult stock with a not so great story. Once again, citing stock price moving downward and basking in the glory as if they are doomed for bankruptcy, may not be the most accurate depiction of the situation.Last edited by Biggy2; 09-17-2011, 12:19 AM.Comment
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